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"It will always be items worse than what you can craft" topic
Lumbermill_Emperor
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SOLVED BY LAST PATCH!
Mythic Aetherial Ambrosia
We've introduced Mythic Aetherial Ambrosia to Tamriel! Mythic Aetherial Ambrosia is an incredibly rare, incredibly potent version of Psijic Ambrosia. Drinking it grants you a +150% bonus to the Experience you gain while it is in effect, and just like Psijic Ambrosia, its consumption and crafting is affected by your Connoisseur and Brewer passives. While Mythic Aetherial Ambrosia will stack with other foods or drinks, it will not stack with Psijic Ambrosia.
@ZOS_GinaBruno
forgive me but im mad now
when i saw you adding this scrolls to update12...
https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/26604
dam ZOS...
EXAMPLE
right now im getting 993 exp with eso+ and ambrosia
by cp300 template for cp160 zombie
from cp300 to cp400 i need 30 566 777 exp
so i need to kill 30 782 zombies
for example i can kill 1000 zombies per hour
its ~30.7 hours
if you grinding 3 hours per day its 11 days
with eso+ and grand scroll
im getting 1614 per mob
its 18 938 zombies from cp300 to 400
18.9 hours
7 days
7 days < 11 days
PAY TO PROGRESS CONFIRMED
I was here when they assured us that they would NEVER put any consumables in the crown store that are better than what you can craft. I heard it with my own ears. That is a promise, or giving a community your word. Same thing. They made that promise because the community was up in arms over the crown store potions. They assured us a million times that they would not do what they are doing right now.
I think Horse training is BS too. We all had to "do the content" to level our horses. I'm surprised they don't sell crafting levels or Trait knowledge so you can avoid that pesky research and decon BS that so many of us endured. They'll sell motifs you don't need to collect. They might as well sell gold, right?
The point is when ZOS starts selling level 50 characters and then CP packs people will say "so what you can grind out CP with XP pots, scrolls, ..."
Edited by Lumbermill_Emperor on November 12, 2016 3:54PM Mythic Aetherial Ambrosia
We've introduced Mythic Aetherial Ambrosia to Tamriel! Mythic Aetherial Ambrosia is an incredibly rare, incredibly potent version of Psijic Ambrosia. Drinking it grants you a +150% bonus to the Experience you gain while it is in effect, and just like Psijic Ambrosia, its consumption and crafting is affected by your Connoisseur and Brewer passives. While Mythic Aetherial Ambrosia will stack with other foods or drinks, it will not stack with Psijic Ambrosia.
@ZOS_GinaBruno
forgive me but im mad now
when i saw you adding this scrolls to update12...
https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/26604
dam ZOS...
EXAMPLE
right now im getting 993 exp with eso+ and ambrosia
by cp300 template for cp160 zombie
from cp300 to cp400 i need 30 566 777 exp
so i need to kill 30 782 zombies
for example i can kill 1000 zombies per hour
its ~30.7 hours
if you grinding 3 hours per day its 11 days
with eso+ and grand scroll
im getting 1614 per mob
its 18 938 zombies from cp300 to 400
18.9 hours
7 days
7 days < 11 days
PAY TO PROGRESS CONFIRMED
I was here when they assured us that they would NEVER put any consumables in the crown store that are better than what you can craft. I heard it with my own ears. That is a promise, or giving a community your word. Same thing. They made that promise because the community was up in arms over the crown store potions. They assured us a million times that they would not do what they are doing right now.
I think Horse training is BS too. We all had to "do the content" to level our horses. I'm surprised they don't sell crafting levels or Trait knowledge so you can avoid that pesky research and decon BS that so many of us endured. They'll sell motifs you don't need to collect. They might as well sell gold, right?
The point is when ZOS starts selling level 50 characters and then CP packs people will say "so what you can grind out CP with XP pots, scrolls, ..."
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Erelah✭✭✭✭ZOS always means what they say when they say it, they just don't mean it later on when they ignore previous promises.76 -
seebra✭✭✭this is stupid
daggerfall covenant cp +39050 Seebra -Stamina Imperial DK50 Gularhar -Stamina Imperial Templar42 Mustajänis - Magicka Dark Elf Necromancer50 Superstrike - Magicka Dark Elf Templar18 -
Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Wow!!!
This is huge and it is complete and total BS. Is this for real?
@ZOS_GinaBruno is this an accident or has ZOS officially gone P2W.18 -
Savos_Saren✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Damn. The man's got a point...
They could just increase the time for the psjic ambrosia to make is better than that crown store item. 50% XP for two hours.Edited by Savos_Saren on September 21, 2016 3:58PMWant to enjoy the game more? Try both PvP (crybabies) and PvE (carebears). You'll get a better perspective on everyone's opinion.
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newtinmpls✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Vastly inappropriate.
I would much rather see a week or two of another cake or equivalent.Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
Hisa Ni Caemaire - Altmer Sorceress, member of the Order Draconis and Adept of the House of Dibella.
Broken Branch Toothmaul - goblin (for my goblin characters, I use either orsimer or bosmer templates) Templar, member of the Order Draconis and persistently unskilled pickpocket
Mol gro Durga - Orsimer Socerer/Battlemage who died the first time when the Nibenay Valley chapterhouse of the Order Draconis was destroyed, then went back to Cold Harbor to rescue his second/partner who was still captive. He overestimated his resistance to the hopelessness of Oblivion, about to give up, and looked up to see the golden glow of atherius surrounding a beautiful young woman who extended her hand to him and said "I can help you". He carried Fianna Kingsley out of Cold Harbor on his shoulder. He carried Alvard Stower under one arm. He also irritated the Prophet who had intended the portal for only Mol and Lyris.***Order Draconis - well c'mon there has to be some explanation for all those dragon tattoos.
House of Dibella - If you have ever seen or read "Memoirs of a Geisha" that's just the beginning...
Nibenay Valley Chapterhouse - Where now stands only desolate ground and a dolmen there once was a thriving community supporting one of the major chapterhouses of the Order Draconis5 -
alexkdd99✭✭✭✭✭
✭Here comes the everything is pay 2 win crowd.
Eso+ gives you a bonus you can not receive without it. At end game this will not make you win at all.
People complain about grinding all the time but now they are adding a way too slightly lessen the initial grind for a new player and yet people still complain.
Can anyone explain how this will harm anything?38 -
Mx13✭✭✭Damn. The man's got a point...
They could just increase the time for the psjic ambrosia to make is better than that crown store item. 50% XP for two hours.
You get 4 ambrosia per roe so thats 2 hours of 50% xp
If you compare them 1:1, crafted pots were always worse than the crown ones(30min per ambrosia vs 2 hours per scroll).Edited by Mx13 on September 21, 2016 4:06PM8 -
DRXHarbinger✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭How is being max level pay to win? The amount of top level players that still wipe on dungeons alone is unreal.
Dissapointing. Thought zos released 10hr major berserk scrolls for a min.PC Master Race
1001CP
8 Flawless Toons, all Classes.
Master Angler
Dro-M'artha Destroyer (at last)
Tamriel Hero
Grand Overlord
Every Skyshard
Down With BOP!21 -
Browiseth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭o nooooooooo
The sky is fallingskingrad when zoscharacters:PC/NA but live in EU 150+ ping lyfe- EP - M - Strikes-with-Arcane - Argonian Stamina Sorc - lvl 50 - The Flawless Conqueror/Spirit Slayer
- EP - F - Melina Elinia - Dunmer Magicka Dragonknight - lvl 50
- EP - F - Sinnia Lavellan - Altmer Warden Healer - lvl 50
- EP - M - Follows-the-Arcane - Argonian Healer Sorcerer- lvl 50
- EP - F - Ashes-of-Arcane - Argonian Magicka Necromancer - lvl 50
- EP - M - Bolgrog the Sinh - Orc Stamina Dragonknight - lvl 50
- EP - F - Moonlight Maiden - Altmer Magicka Templar - lvl 50
- EP - F - Maxine Cauline - Breton Magicka Nightblade - lvl 50
- EP - M - Garrus Loridius - Imperial Stamina Templar - lvl 50
- EP - F - Jennifer Loridius - Imperial Necromancer tank - lvl 50
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DMuehlhausen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Lumbermill_Emperor wrote: »@ZOS_GinaBruno
forgive me but im mad now
when i saw you adding this scrolls to update12...
dam ZOS...
Do you have actual image links, or a website, nothing you have is clickable.0 -
Korah_Eaglecry✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭DRXHarbinger wrote: »How is being max level pay to win? The amount of top level players that still wipe on dungeons alone is unreal.
Dissapointing. Thought zos released 10hr major berserk scrolls for a min.
Oh the naivete of a PvE only player.Penniless Sellsword CompanyCaptain Paramount - Jorrhaq VhentKorith Eaglecry * Enrerion Aedihle * Laerinel Rhaev * Caius Berilius * Seylina Ithvala * H'Vak the GrimjawlTenarei Rhaev * Dazsh Ro Khar * Yynril Rothvani * Bathes-In-Coin * Anaelle Faerniil * Azjani Ma'LesAban Shahid Bakr * Kheshna gra-Gharbuk * Gallisten Bondurant * Etain Maquier * Atsu Kalame * Faulpia SeverinusWhat is better, to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort? - Paarthurnax11 -
Lumbermill_Emperor✭✭✭✭
@Mx13Damn. The man's got a point...
They could just increase the time for the psjic ambrosia to make is better than that crown store item. 50% XP for two hours.
You get 4 ambrosia per roe so thats 2 hours of 50% xp
If you compare them 1:1, crafted pots were always worse than the crown ones(30min per ambrosia vs 2 hours per scroll).
for the first, ambrosia can be up to 50 min
for the second
even 4 ambrosia is cheaper than one scroll
if you convert gold to $ by google how much gold costs atm2 -
Wolfhammer✭✭✭Ooops this doesn't bode well for PvP,
Since I don't do PvP I'm fairly ok with it coming from AA and BDO...
It could represent a slippery slope of P2W doom though....Wolfhammer - Templar serving the Alith guild on EU1 -
DMuehlhausen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Well there you go with a quote they show up. Yeah exactly is the problem here? You aren't forced to use them, it doesn't give you an edge in PVP or end game content...this seems like I want to complain about something cause I know I should be offended by something today post.4 -
Sallington✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭DMuehlhausen wrote: »Well there you go with a quote they show up. Yeah exactly is the problem here? You aren't forced to use them, it doesn't give you an edge in PVP or end game content...this seems like I want to complain about something cause I know I should be offended by something today post.
Go up against someone at the CP cap when you have 160CP.
The whole CP system as it exists now is *** in my opinion, but that's a whole other topic.Daggerfall Covenant
Sallington - Templar - Stormproof - Prefect II
Cobham - Sorcerer - Stormproof - First Sergeant II
Shallington - NightBlade - Lieutenant |
Balmorah - Templar - Sergeant ||5 -
DRXHarbinger✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »DRXHarbinger wrote: »How is being max level pay to win? The amount of top level players that still wipe on dungeons alone is unreal.
Dissapointing. Thought zos released 10hr major berserk scrolls for a min.
Oh the naivete of a PvE only player.
Explain?PC Master Race
1001CP
8 Flawless Toons, all Classes.
Master Angler
Dro-M'artha Destroyer (at last)
Tamriel Hero
Grand Overlord
Every Skyshard
Down With BOP!5 -
DocFrost72✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭You earn 100 xp per hour (let's assume this abysmal number for ease of math). With a scroll of this magnitude, you would gain 350 experience after 2 hours. With potions (a clutch of 4 you make when crafting) or an XP scroll, you've earned 300xp.
edited for faulty math, the worst kind.
I'm missing the pay to win here. 1/6 increase (ie, 16.666%) over the course of the total time? I'm also missing the advantage of this scroll you get based on luck that doesn't affect combat...?
Not to mention you get a 70% boost to xp when you slot all blue training gear, so you know. There is that. (170 xp before potions, scrolls etc)Edited by DocFrost72 on September 21, 2016 4:22PM6 -
Abeille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭DMuehlhausen wrote: »Lumbermill_Emperor wrote: »@ZOS_GinaBruno
forgive me but im mad now
when i saw you adding this scrolls to update12...
dam ZOS...
Do you have actual image links, or a website, nothing you have is clickable.
That's because these were not announced, they were just put in the PTS.
So... If you think these are fake, get in the PTS and see for yourself.Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.2 -
Mx13✭✭✭Lumbermill_Emperor wrote: »
@Mx13Damn. The man's got a point...
They could just increase the time for the psjic ambrosia to make is better than that crown store item. 50% XP for two hours.
You get 4 ambrosia per roe so thats 2 hours of 50% xp
If you compare them 1:1, crafted pots were always worse than the crown ones(30min per ambrosia vs 2 hours per scroll).
for the first, ambrosia can be up to 50 min
for the second
even 4 ambrosia is cheaper than one scroll
if you convert gold to $ by google how much gold costs atm
Oh yeah you are right, forgot that passive that boost drinks.
Well more reason to think that crafted pots are overall most effective than crown scrolls, even these new ones considering the chance to get one of these is kinda low and only last 30 minutes.
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DocFrost72✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »DRXHarbinger wrote: »How is being max level pay to win? The amount of top level players that still wipe on dungeons alone is unreal.
Dissapointing. Thought zos released 10hr major berserk scrolls for a min.
Oh the naivete of a PvE only player.
Oh, the uninformed opinion from someone who doesn't understand how scaling overpowers baby toons.Edited by DocFrost72 on September 21, 2016 4:18PM8 -
Tavore1138✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Not saying this isn't walking a fine line but leveling faster doesn't make you win - if anything you will reach CP160 with less experience of actually playing the game and less money than if you just played through at the normal pace and once you have a CP160 (or CP531) character than at most it will accelerate you getting alts up to level 50...
There are areas where ZOS have stitched us up - this is probably not one of them...GM - Malazan
Raid Leader - Hungry Wolves
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elvenmad✭✭✭✭✭EVERY non sub MMORPG is P2W in one form or another do you really think ZoS will be different and ignore the huge potential income, I very much Doubt it, one way or another it is coming,
First warning sign was cash shop RNG box's anybody who as played, Tera, Archeage, Neverwinter, Blade & Soul and even Rift which is pure P2W as added extra pay to win RNG box's and many many more know exactly how these 'COSMETIC ONLY' RNG box's turn out.
Edited by elvenmad on September 21, 2016 4:20PM< PC - EU >5 -
exeeter702✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Educate yourself on what pay to win actually is please.
This is objectively not pay to win. Sorry.25 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭They either need too change the 150% or bring out a new recipe that uses something like rare perfect roe and basically makes a similar pot.
It's not the fact its only an exp scroll, it's the fact they went back on their word of 'Items in the crown store will not be better than the crafted ones'
They have always been either the same effect or worse, this is the FIRST one to be better than the craftable alternatives.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...5 -
elvenmad✭✭✭✭✭exeeter702 wrote: »Educate yourself on what pay to win actually is please.
This is objectively not pay to win. Sorry.
in this case you can pay for something that will increase your progress faster than anything you can obtain in the game, so irrelevant of your specific definition of pay to win this is 100% pay to progress faster for sure.
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DocFrost72✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭exeeter702 wrote: »Educate yourself on what pay to win actually is please.
This is objectively not pay to win. Sorry.
in this case you can pay for something that will increase your progress faster than anything you can obtain in the game, so irrelevant of you specific definition of pay to win this is 100% pay to progress faster for sure.
Pay to get to vet faster, get rekt by those that learned their class in cyro or by mobs in a dungeon.
Soooooo p2wEdited by DocFrost72 on September 21, 2016 4:24PM13
