What is Magicka DK's greatest weakness?

RebornV3x

Lack of mobility

I would say this and maybe damage on certain abilities but the big thing is no execute ability I don' t know how many mag DKs Ive dueled got me below 20% health and couldn't finish the job.

Ishammael

Lack of healing

Fix Dragon Blood
Give minor heroism on a passive or skill.

There, all done.

Alucardo

Fear of commitment and an unwillingness to listen to what she has to say.

Oh wait, that was my couples counselling. Sorry.

Ishammael

Lack of healing

Alucardo wrote: »

Fear of commitment and an unwillingness to listen to what she has to say.

Oh wait, that was my couples counselling. Sorry.

Bad advice anyway. Do the opposite.

Joy_Division

Lack of damage

Bashev wrote: »

Does anyone know why Cauterize is the only healing ability in the game that cannot heal the caster?

I would say this is a bug, but knowing ZoS and DKs, this is likely working as intended.

Bashev

Lack of healing

Joy_Division wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

Does anyone know why Cauterize is the only healing ability in the game that cannot heal the caster?

I would say this is a bug, but knowing ZoS and DKs, this is likely working as intended.

If @wrobel fix it and make the skill able to heal the caster DKs will be in good place.

IxskullzxI

Bashev wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

Does anyone know why Cauterize is the only healing ability in the game that cannot heal the caster?

I would say this is a bug, but knowing ZoS and DKs, this is likely working as intended.

If @wrobel fix it and make the skill able to heal the caster DKs will be in good place.

It should only heal the caster. Or caster and a friendly so you don't have to play RNG teams.

Bashev

Lack of healing

IxskullzxI wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

Does anyone know why Cauterize is the only healing ability in the game that cannot heal the caster?

I would say this is a bug, but knowing ZoS and DKs, this is likely working as intended.

If @wrobel fix it and make the skill able to heal the caster DKs will be in good place.

It should only heal the caster. Or caster and a friendly so you don't have to play RNG teams.

That would be the best of course. But if they want to keep the healer aspect of the skill they can make it similar to BoL, heal the target with lowest health and the caster.

pjwb16_ESO

Lack of sustain

The real problem is you need sustain, heal, damage and tankiness and due to the high skill costs of magicka dk its currently impossible to balance it out so it would work as imagined

HoloYoitsu

According to some stam Malutatos in IC my mag DK is a "cheese comp", so I can only say that my greatest weakness is a lack of nachos.

Ghostbane

Lack of sustain

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

According to some stam Malutatos in IC my mag DK is a "cheese comp", so I can only say that my greatest weakness is a lack of nachos.

A stam sorc calling mDK cheese?

That is like a fine Gorgonzola complaining about a Cabbages waft of cheddar.

Soris

Lack of healing

mDk weakness is small p.

AverageJo3Gam3r

With the new sets, buffs to valkyn skoria, etc, I think mDKs are in a better spot this patch. Give us some moveability or a way to reposition a fight and we'll be fine. Still think minor expedition on wings should be a thing.

CMurder435

Lack of damage

MDK > wrobel meta

P.s... Tbh..looking at the eso balance..my flame lash tooltip..I ought to be able to proc power lash infinitely, is it bugged?

Etaniel

Lack of healing

Stronger healing, or a way to counter heal debuffs.
Damage and sustain is really fine if you build properly

sirston

Lack of healing

Strongest weakness? ZOS
Second strongest? Not having a proper health based health regen.

sly007

Lack of mobility

Waylander wrote: »

I can live with lack of mobility as a design choice. A lot of DK tools are designed for this. Mistform gets around this.

I think lack of sustain is linked to lack of healing and damage

I would like to see 2 changes:
- Dragons Blood - make it the magica equivalent of vigor (scaling off max magica so useless for stam dk)
- Powerlash deals additional 300% dmg to targets under 20% health note: not to the entire whip, just the powerlash after they are put off balance - if you let yourself get to 20% against a magica dk and get cc'd you deserve to lose.

Overall I think Magica DK is actually quite balanced and very engaging to play. It is just clearly outperformed by all other classes.

Respect to magica DK's, you have to work for your kills.

Imagine if there were flame/magica equivalents to viper and veli!

300% more damage! That is nuts. People can crit for 8k, 9k, even 11k with powerlash and you want that to do 4x more damage. Oh boy, maybe 25% more damage or 33% more damage.

Galvanize

Lack of damage

Wish I could vote for more than 1 option, damage is the least of Magicka DK issues

Waylander

Lack of damage

sly007 wrote: »

Waylander wrote: »

I can live with lack of mobility as a design choice. A lot of DK tools are designed for this. Mistform gets around this.

I think lack of sustain is linked to lack of healing and damage

I would like to see 2 changes:
- Dragons Blood - make it the magica equivalent of vigor (scaling off max magica so useless for stam dk)
- Powerlash deals additional 300% dmg to targets under 20% health note: not to the entire whip, just the powerlash after they are put off balance - if you let yourself get to 20% against a magica dk and get cc'd you deserve to lose.

Overall I think Magica DK is actually quite balanced and very engaging to play. It is just clearly outperformed by all other classes.

Respect to magica DK's, you have to work for your kills.

Imagine if there were flame/magica equivalents to viper and veli!

300% more damage! That is nuts. People can crit for 8k, 9k, even 11k with powerlash and you want that to do 4x more damage. Oh boy, maybe 25% more damage or 33% more damage.

It is an execute for people who's health is under 20%. Assuming 25k health max it could do before you died is 5k. Most other executes scale to 300%. It also only applies to powerlash, allowing counterplay as powerlash follows a whip on a cc'd target (time to shield or block). I really don't see it as being more OP than any other class execute, however takes a bit more coordination to use.

I haven't seen any 11k powerlash crits on anyone who is not naked - can you please show me? I am assuming this comes from a full light armour dk with a damage/burst build - not much use in open world for that as far as I can see.

sly007

Lack of mobility

Waylander wrote: »

It is an execute for people who's health is under 20%. Assuming 25k health max it could do before you died is 5k. Most other executes scale to 300%. It also only applies to powerlash, allowing counterplay as powerlash follows a whip on a cc'd target (time to shield or block). I really don't see it as being more OP than any other class execute, however takes a bit more coordination to use.

I haven't seen any 11k powerlash crits on anyone who is not naked - can you please show me? I am assuming this comes from a full light armour dk with a damage/burst build - not much use in open world for that as far as I can see.

You do realize one does not need to use flame lash to proceed powerlash. Powerlash is available for use on any off balance enemy. Also, most executes have a low base damage to make up for their extra damage during execute range. Flame lash and power lash already deal high damage.

Even if we were to take an average 4k powerlash, that means anyone below 20% hp with an average 25k hp who is hit by powerlash will die because it will be doing 16k non crt. Even if blocked, the target will die. That is too good man.

Maff

Lack of sustain

MagDK is my favourite class (I have 2 of them). I don't find the heals to be a big problem. Coag Blood with Embers and Lash on a cc'd opponent does a great job with keeping health up. Unfortunately high magicka costs don't make things easy there so you have to break away from close combat (which is where a MagDK is best suited to fighting) and use a staff to restore some resources. And most opponents can heal through the DoTs when you back away.
Lower magicka costs would help me a lot.

Rickter

Lack of damage

yeah i dont think healing is the problem. burning embers is one of the biggest heals this side of breath of life. inhale is awesome is group play. idk why people even bring up dragon blood.

i think mDK's biggest weakness is the lack of burst dmg and dmg overall in pvp.

whips should have jabs range. and they should cost as much or less than a wrecking blow.

but heres the problem folks and why mDK will never get the much needed burst for PVP: P V E. mDKs do i think the highest or second highest dmg of all builds and classes in a pve raid setting due to their unparalleled dots. so i can understand the delay for a solution on the devs part

Van_0S

TooskSG wrote: »

Where's the Wrobel option?

cschwingeb14_ESO

Many of the problems that a DK has are shared by every magicka class in some form or another.

It's just that templars have massive heals and debuff removal, and that covers a ton of problems (and also synergizes with heavy armor).

Sorcs have an extra shield and mobility. That synergizes well with light armor. Although the current sorc 3-shield meta really impacts you bar space and is #%?&-tastically unfun to run. It also requires resto

But back to main problems with magicka

• Spell resist being so high. Spell penetration being so hard to get outside of light armor
• Magicka costs being so high compared to weapon abilities that have a 20% cost redux. Some skills are cheap, some are not for magicka.
• Damage shields not scaling to the# of attackers like dodge roll and block (don't really see a solution to this)
• Nothing like Vigor

I've been crit by flame lash for 7k (also a 5k hit in the death recap) normal attack in my 6-heavy 7-impen setup... Although major ward was not up. Lash damage is probably not the issue.

I'm betting that the devs make a DK dot or two unable to be cleansed. But that really doesn't address the underlying magicka issues

Rickter

Lack of damage

cschwingeb14_ESO wrote: »

• Magicka costs being so high compared to weapon abilities that have a 20% cost redux. Some skills are cheap, some are not for magicka.

i think this is because stamina is used for dodging, blocking, sprinting, interrupting, and sneaking - not just abilities. soooo yeah its completely fair.

cschwingeb14_ESO wrote: »

• Nothing like Vigor

every class has some sort of magicka heal. except sorcs. . . poor sorcs. . .

Kilandros

Lack of sustain

Rickter wrote: »

every class has some sort of magicka heal. except sorcs. . . poor sorcs. . .

Would trade you the current Dragon's Blood for Power Surge in a heartbeat.

Jamini

Lack of mobility

Dragon Blood could use some love. The heal it gives is pretty pathetic. (especially compared to NPCs that have the same move. WTF why do NPC guards get a full heal from it?)

Unrelenting grip could be more reliable (Please fix the fact that I can't use it for nearly 30s after changing elevation! Pretty please.)(It's also a really poor CC. Making it count as a snare rather than a hard CC would be nice.)

Aside from that, DK lacks mobility. That's their main weakness and working as intended!

Ghostbane

Lack of sustain

Kilandros wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

every class has some sort of magicka heal. except sorcs. . . poor sorcs. . .

Would trade you the current Dragon's Blood for Power Surge in a heartbeat.

In half a heartbeat.

Sandman929

Lack of damage

mDK's seem to be doing better with a Skoria buff and some good sets that play to their nature, I've run into some very strong ones and I don't think they're hurting too bad, but still not great. mNB might steal their spot as low man on the totem pole before long.
However, no class execute is a real problem. StamDKs can at least use weapon executes. mDK's can put out good steady damage but counting on Skoria for the finishing blows is pretty sketchy.

Ghost-Shot

Lack of damage

Ghostbane wrote: »

Kilandros wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

every class has some sort of magicka heal. except sorcs. . . poor sorcs. . .

Would trade you the current Dragon's Blood for Power Surge in a heartbeat.

In half a heartbeat.

How does one honestly look at those abilities and think Dragon's Blood is better? LOL