kinggingernator wrote: »Chill out with the trading stuff, farm mats to make gold or farm normal zones for the gear its not that bad. Can we please address the fact that balance has not been changed whatsoever?
s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »Nifty, with the new changes, it'll still be very easy to get the gear you want. 100% chance at a set piece drop from a dungeon boss, and there's only three different sets dropping, so after 1-2 runs you will pretty much have a full set of whatever you are looking for. Add in a few more runs and you've got perfect traits for that set. Compare this to now, where you run 10 Trials in a day and maybe get one piece of gear that you need.
And there will still be a market for gear, except you will have to farm overland zones instead of Trials. This is actually a disappointment, as Trials will no longer make you any money. So not as many people will want to run them anymore Instead people will be farming specific overland zones.
I do agree, however, that taking certain sets out of Trials and putting them in the bind on pickup table (such as Viper, Ebon, Warlock, etc.) is really bad for the gear economy.
Dagoth_Rac wrote: »Rugz_Maulgoth wrote: »Oh Snap.
"All set drops from the overland are now bind-on-equip."
Maybe I'll actually be able to run Trinimac's Valor now haha.
ALSO!
"Crypt of Hearts: Shroud of the Lich, Leviathan, Ebon Armory
Fungal Grotto: Spider Cultist Cowl, Viper’s Sting, Dreugh King Slayer
Selene’s Web: Vestments of the Warlock, Hircine’s Veneer, Durok’s Bane
Vaults of Madness: Worm’s Raiment, Oblivion’s Edge, Rattlecage"
But those are dungeons and thus now BoP. So if a PvP player wants Warlock or Viper or any of a bunch of old BoE Trials sets, many have been moved to dungeons. And thus are now BoP. So group PvE players lose out on ways to make gold and PvP players lose out on ways to get desired gear without grinding PvE content they would prefer not to do.
Selling Viper, Warlock, Dreugh King, etc., gear currently pays for all the armor repairs and potions and gold upgrade mats. There are (literally!) no longer any ways to make decent money from group PvE content.
Not all of us are in pro raid guilds where getting a group of 12 is easy. Sometimes we have 7 or 8 core group PvE players and need to talk 4 or 5 more guildies into joining us. But if group PvE is now exclusively a money-losing venture, those on-the-fence guildies are going to be much less interested.
silvereyes wrote: »To all those saying "read the whole patch notes", maybe you should take your own advice. All dungeon sets will now be BoP, not just Trials.ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »All dungeon set drops are bind-on-pickup.
Blackfyre20 wrote: »Why is everyone freaking out about the BOP change in trials? I totally understand people who run trials a lot being frustrated that the gear they get from trials will no longer be able to be sold to other players which is how they make their money, they can be upset about this change, I get that. Everyone else complaining how items will be harder to come by now... read the entire patch notes. Unless I missed something major it looks like 99% of item sets will be way easier to get than before since they will be dropping from zone/delve bosses and in four person dungeons and will be BOE. As someone who finds it hard to get together with 12 people to farm gear and someone who also doesn't have a million gold to drop on silks of the sun pieces I am pretty ecstatic about this change.
Does this mean jewelry for every set? If so, that's pretty amazing.ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Item Sets will now drop for every item slot.
@Darlon Just got word from Kai in the twitch stream. Yup NA and EU will be the same client now!
Dagoth_Rac wrote: »If it drops in a 4-man dungeon, it is BoP. The number of BoP sets has skyrocketed with this patch. All 16 original dungeons each now have 3 sets that are bind on pickup. That is 48 BoP sets. Almost all are old BoE sets that have been moved into dungeons and turned into BoP sets.
ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »@ZOS_GinaBrunoThis sounds like a mistake, if not, what the hell is that change? You want people to be broke? How do you expect people to be raid ready?All set drops from dungeons and Trials are bind-on-pickup.
Wtf is this
Don't forget you can trade within your group.
Some of the people that want stuff don't step foot in trials, some of these sets are also largely popular inside Cyrodill, not only does this destroy PvE and breeds elitism out the ass for end game PvE but now it also forces PvP players to come into trials who can't get any groups, or they would have to farm itHold up guys I cant go to trials tonight I have to farm solo for my gear@ZOS_GinaBrunoZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »@ZOS_GinaBrunoThis sounds like a mistake, if not, what the hell is that change? You want people to be broke? How do you expect people to be raid ready?All set drops from dungeons and Trials are bind-on-pickup.
Wtf is this
Don't forget you can trade within your group.
Well that's the issue, seeing as I run high end dungeons and Trials
This mainly puts a massive hindrance on trials especially, if I was raid leading most people can't get the best gear anymore, they wont be getting invited to raids or anything like that if they are wanting to start out, I understand that the best gear is already Bind on Pickup, but your other option is Bind on Equip gear and after that is crafted gear
Not only that but right now the economy is utter crap, removing Bind on Equip from trials just ruins raiders too, we can't sell gear to the community, we can't buy anything because of it either, I just don't understand what this will achieve, are you trying to cause more PUG and group finder groups to sell your loot within groups to each other, because friends dont do that with each other, and most people wont run in them anyway because of the gear issue
That is just my opinion, personally I think it's a very unhealthy addition and will just breed more elitism and divide raiders apart from the experienced and non experienced
Actually getting the gear like the sun set for instance, won't be an issue, as it will drop in normal overland content (stonefalls) now also.
I agree it hurts people selling it though...
Yeah, sounds good doesn't it
Better than having to buy it... you're complaining that people can't get it outside of trials (otherwise, what is the problem with it being BoP if you're going to use it yourself ? )
Why was having this stuff as BoE an issue? It's going to ruin the economy, enforce solo game play even more, a lot of players will be under equipped rather than just buying stuff and it is also going to make it hell for PvP players
The plus side, you get to use group finder and trade more/talk with the community
But really, most groups will stay in their small circle of friends anyway
Blackfyre20 wrote: »GreatWhite000 wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »@ZOS_GinaBrunoThis sounds like a mistake, if not, what the hell is that change? You want people to be broke? How do you expect people to be raid ready?All set drops from dungeons and Trials are bind-on-pickup.
Wtf is this
Don't forget you can trade within your group.
That means nothing. Most money made by running trials is made from selling to people who are not interested at all in PvE.
This @ZOS_GinaBruno
You guys might want to rethink this one.
I've been here since beta, but this one thing will make me leave the game immediately. I have neither the time nor the inclination to PvE to compete in PvP. I like to buy my items and PvP. This change would be the last straw (I imagine for a lot of peeps). Maybe you guys don't care? Oh well, about time to move on anyway.
you can still buy your items as sets will now be dropping from other places outside of trials too and will be BOE... read the entire patch notes
Doesn't sound like I am alone, I think you are not understanding the impact its going to have, ZOS already know how much of a gold sink is for trials, meh, like I said it doesn't affect me personallyeserras7b16_ESO wrote: »Some of the people that want stuff don't step foot in trials, some of these sets are also largely popular inside Cyrodill, not only does this destroy PvE and breeds elitism out the ass for end game PvE but now it also forces PvP players to come into trials who can't get any groups, or they would have to farm itHold up guys I cant go to trials tonight I have to farm solo for my gear@ZOS_GinaBrunoZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »@ZOS_GinaBrunoThis sounds like a mistake, if not, what the hell is that change? You want people to be broke? How do you expect people to be raid ready?All set drops from dungeons and Trials are bind-on-pickup.
Wtf is this
Don't forget you can trade within your group.
Well that's the issue, seeing as I run high end dungeons and Trials
This mainly puts a massive hindrance on trials especially, if I was raid leading most people can't get the best gear anymore, they wont be getting invited to raids or anything like that if they are wanting to start out, I understand that the best gear is already Bind on Pickup, but your other option is Bind on Equip gear and after that is crafted gear
Not only that but right now the economy is utter crap, removing Bind on Equip from trials just ruins raiders too, we can't sell gear to the community, we can't buy anything because of it either, I just don't understand what this will achieve, are you trying to cause more PUG and group finder groups to sell your loot within groups to each other, because friends dont do that with each other, and most people wont run in them anyway because of the gear issue
That is just my opinion, personally I think it's a very unhealthy addition and will just breed more elitism and divide raiders apart from the experienced and non experienced
Actually getting the gear like the sun set for instance, won't be an issue, as it will drop in normal overland content (stonefalls) now also.
I agree it hurts people selling it though...
Yeah, sounds good doesn't it
Better than having to buy it... you're complaining that people can't get it outside of trials (otherwise, what is the problem with it being BoP if you're going to use it yourself ? )
Why was having this stuff as BoE an issue? It's going to ruin the economy, enforce solo game play even more, a lot of players will be under equipped rather than just buying stuff and it is also going to make it hell for PvP players
The plus side, you get to use group finder and trade more/talk with the community
But really, most groups will stay in their small circle of friends anyway
Hi @Nifty2g, you're "alone" in this and i'll tell you the reasons why:
- The only people that get hurt because of this change is people (like you and me) who do Trials and got an income out of it.
- People that need gear for trials can now find it in open world (Red mountain, Elegance, etc.) or can craft it (TBS, Julianos, etc.)
- This change basically means the gear is more accessible than before, won't ruin PvP, won't ruin PvE. It'll just hurt your wallet.
So don't pretend this is a small change for the community, it's a good change, if you need money out of trials you can press ESO staff so they give money for Boss Kills or something similar. There'll be a problem with the income for Trial players, true, but same happens to PvPers or to players who don't farm basically. No farm, no money. Sounds normal tho.
Blackfyre20 wrote: »GreatWhite000 wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »@ZOS_GinaBrunoThis sounds like a mistake, if not, what the hell is that change? You want people to be broke? How do you expect people to be raid ready?All set drops from dungeons and Trials are bind-on-pickup.
Wtf is this
Don't forget you can trade within your group.
That means nothing. Most money made by running trials is made from selling to people who are not interested at all in PvE.
This @ZOS_GinaBruno
You guys might want to rethink this one.
I've been here since beta, but this one thing will make me leave the game immediately. I have neither the time nor the inclination to PvE to compete in PvP. I like to buy my items and PvP. This change would be the last straw (I imagine for a lot of peeps). Maybe you guys don't care? Oh well, about time to move on anyway.
you can still buy your items as sets will now be dropping from other places outside of trials too and will be BOE... read the entire patch notes
I apologize if I'm wrong. Are you saying ALL sets will be available as BOE?
Seriously? Practically no balance changes? Sure we haven't seen the weapon ults yet but I doubt it will change much.
Do the devs just hate magicka classes?
Do the people in charge of combat/classes/skill balance actually think the game is in a fine place right now?
When OT releases, it will be almost 6 months since stam classes have been superior at pretty much anything except healing others.
You could have buffed light armor passives, destro passives, resto passives, mages guild stuff, magicka related class skills/passives, seriously anything, but you did nothing.
Is there even a reason to play a magicka class(besides templar maybe) if you wan't to do something other than heal people?=
Just doesn't make sense to me, trials is punishing on gold for how much it costs, but if they are available outside, why not inside trials too? I among most of the people I play with log on to raid, we raid about 5 days a week most of the time, don't do anything else except a dungeon for pledges, so I don't get why this change will directly affect those type of players and just ruin the gold income, some people don't have time to farm and rely on gold income they make from trials to supply potions etcBlackfyre20 wrote: »GreatWhite000 wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »@ZOS_GinaBrunoThis sounds like a mistake, if not, what the hell is that change? You want people to be broke? How do you expect people to be raid ready?All set drops from dungeons and Trials are bind-on-pickup.
Wtf is this
Don't forget you can trade within your group.
That means nothing. Most money made by running trials is made from selling to people who are not interested at all in PvE.
This @ZOS_GinaBruno
You guys might want to rethink this one.
I've been here since beta, but this one thing will make me leave the game immediately. I have neither the time nor the inclination to PvE to compete in PvP. I like to buy my items and PvP. This change would be the last straw (I imagine for a lot of peeps). Maybe you guys don't care? Oh well, about time to move on anyway.
you can still buy your items as sets will now be dropping from other places outside of trials too and will be BOE... read the entire patch notes
I apologize if I'm wrong. Are you saying ALL sets will be available as BOE?
Not all sets, but most. Sets like Silks of the Sun and Necropotence and other trial sets that were BOE will be BOP from trials next patch, but will also drop from Bosses in zones and BOE. So, you can trade these sets, but not the ones from the trial(outside your group)
Survey Reports
Fixed an issue that caused Lush plants at Clothier survey sites to produce more cloth than intended. This brings them back in line with similar nodes for other professions.
Just doesn't make sense to me, trials is punishing on gold for how much it costs, but if they are available outside, why not inside trials too? I among most of the people I play with log on to raid, we raid about 5 days a week most of the time, don't do anything else except a dungeon for pledges, so I don't get why this change will directly affect those type of players and just ruin the gold income, some people don't have time to farm and rely on gold income they make from trials to supply potions etcBlackfyre20 wrote: »GreatWhite000 wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »@ZOS_GinaBrunoThis sounds like a mistake, if not, what the hell is that change? You want people to be broke? How do you expect people to be raid ready?All set drops from dungeons and Trials are bind-on-pickup.
Wtf is this
Don't forget you can trade within your group.
That means nothing. Most money made by running trials is made from selling to people who are not interested at all in PvE.
This @ZOS_GinaBruno
You guys might want to rethink this one.
I've been here since beta, but this one thing will make me leave the game immediately. I have neither the time nor the inclination to PvE to compete in PvP. I like to buy my items and PvP. This change would be the last straw (I imagine for a lot of peeps). Maybe you guys don't care? Oh well, about time to move on anyway.
you can still buy your items as sets will now be dropping from other places outside of trials too and will be BOE... read the entire patch notes
I apologize if I'm wrong. Are you saying ALL sets will be available as BOE?
Not all sets, but most. Sets like Silks of the Sun and Necropotence and other trial sets that were BOE will be BOP from trials next patch, but will also drop from Bosses in zones and BOE. So, you can trade these sets, but not the ones from the trial(outside your group)
GreatWhite000 wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »@ZOS_GinaBrunoThis sounds like a mistake, if not, what the hell is that change? You want people to be broke? How do you expect people to be raid ready?All set drops from dungeons and Trials are bind-on-pickup.
Wtf is this
Don't forget you can trade within your group.
That means nothing. Most money made by running trials is made from selling to people who are not interested at all in PvE.
This @ZOS_GinaBruno
You guys might want to rethink this one.
I've been here since beta, but this one thing will make me leave the game immediately. I have neither the time nor the inclination to PvE to compete in PvP. I like to buy my items and PvP. This change would be the last straw (I imagine for a lot of peeps). Maybe you guys don't care? Oh well, about time to move on anyway.
ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »FIXES & IMPROVEMENTS, BASE GAME PATCH
Alliance War
General
- The carpenters of Cyrodiil are on strike, and Towers no longer have doors.
ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »FIXES & IMPROVEMENTS, BASE GAME PATCH
Alliance War
General
- The carpenters of Cyrodiil are on strike, and Towers no longer have doors.
Is this the end of Tower-Resource AP farming ?
Great!
Duels... finally
It would be great if you will add a leaderboard for duels(just like the leaderboards for cyrodiil campaigns and the pve leaderboards).
Like "Tournument" duels.
There will be 2 types of duels:
1) Regular duel - not recorded in the leaderboard.
2) Tournument duel - recorded in the leaderboard.
If a player initiates a "Tournument duel" and not a "Regular duel", the result will be saved to the leaderboard.
The player with the best KDR of duels will be #1.
In order to prevent exploiting of this system, a player can only fight one "Tournument duel" with the same player every 30 minutes.
But it can still be open for some exploiting due to guilds, so more steps to prevent exploiting are needed... such as max Tournument duels with other members of a guild. 5/10 per hour.
I'm just suggesting.
I believe that a leaderboard for duels is needed.
Tamriel Arena Leaderboard.