DPS Tests and Trials Breeding Elitism

Doctordarkspawn

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

...As for 'Magicka or GTFO', well...now it's "Stamina prefered" which is not much better.

What are you even talking about? Have you seen the group that got #1 vMoL hardmode? Have you seen the groups that have top spots in leaderboards?

No, I dont, because I dont care about leaderboards that much.

LadyNalcarya

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

...As for 'Magicka or GTFO', well...now it's "Stamina prefered" which is not much better.

What are you even talking about? Have you seen the group that got #1 vMoL hardmode? Have you seen the groups that have top spots in leaderboards?

No, I dont, because I dont care about leaderboards that much.

I do care so I minmax. But if youre interested in classes, I know for a fact that vMoL was tanked by templar and nb. Sorc tanks are rare, but its probably possible too.
If you dont care about leaderboards you absolutely dont need a stam dk with ebon and whatever, I can assure you.

Kyoma

Hey! I paid good money to be allowed into the ranks of the Elite! I don't want others to take that away from me....

#EliteLivesMatter

Doctordarkspawn

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

...As for 'Magicka or GTFO', well...now it's "Stamina prefered" which is not much better.

What are you even talking about? Have you seen the group that got #1 vMoL hardmode? Have you seen the groups that have top spots in leaderboards?

No, I dont, because I dont care about leaderboards that much.

I do care so I minmax. But if youre interested in classes, I know for a fact that vMoL was tanked by templar and nb. Sorc tanks are rare, but its probably possible too.
If you dont care about leaderboards you absolutely dont need a stam dk with ebon and whatever, I can assure you.

Herein, lies the rub. And this will be the last time I make this point:

I've seen video footage of a templar tanking Vmol, I know sorc tanks and NB tanks who have too. NB is honestly one of the -better- tanks just below DK because they along with DK have a in combat means of stamins regeneration.

The rub is, however, that templar was using a fraction of his skills. Why? because not alot of them could be used in the permablock situation most of Vmol is. Yes your going to weave in heavy attacks. Yes your going to try and maximize stamina resource value. And that's the point of tanking, now, maximizing the value you get from stam so you can -do your job-.

So if only a fraction of the skills can be used, the ammount of USEFULL skills shrinks dramatically.

The illusion of choice is thinking you can have anything on your bar and you'll be fine. People have proposed that people only be able to use certain skills in dungeons and trials, and quite frankly I think that'd be an honest system than what we have now, where very few of our skills are useful, in those situations.

The point isn't that you need a stam DK with ebon for trials. The point is, the amount of variety you have beyond the roll, that is actually a different style of play, is nonexistant. The second you change the class tanking, all you've done, is changed the color of their shield.

LadyNalcarya

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

...As for 'Magicka or GTFO', well...now it's "Stamina prefered" which is not much better.

What are you even talking about? Have you seen the group that got #1 vMoL hardmode? Have you seen the groups that have top spots in leaderboards?

No, I dont, because I dont care about leaderboards that much.

I do care so I minmax. But if youre interested in classes, I know for a fact that vMoL was tanked by templar and nb. Sorc tanks are rare, but its probably possible too.
If you dont care about leaderboards you absolutely dont need a stam dk with ebon and whatever, I can assure you.

Herein, lies the rub. And this will be the last time I make this point:

I've seen video footage of a templar tanking Vmol, I know sorc tanks and NB tanks who have too. NB is honestly one of the -better- tanks just below DK because they along with DK have a in combat means of stamins regeneration.

The rub is, however, that templar was using a fraction of his skills. Why? because not alot of them could be used in the permablock situation most of Vmol is. Yes your going to weave in heavy attacks. Yes your going to try and maximize stamina resource value. And that's the point of tanking, now, maximizing the value you get from stam so you can -do your job-.

So if only a fraction of the skills can be used, the ammount of USEFULL skills shrinks dramatically.

The illusion of choice is thinking you can have anything on your bar and you'll be fine. People have proposed that people only be able to use certain skills in dungeons and trials, and quite frankly I think that'd be an honest system than what we have now, where very few of our skills are useful, in those situations.

The point isn't that you need a stam DK with ebon for trials. The point is, the amount of variety you have beyond the roll, is paramount to dressing the wall up with a different colored shield.

I never said I can have anything on my bar. Where did you even get that from? I said I have options, and thats 100% true.
And it was never the case, having random skills, even in the old days.
Yes, classes are different, theyre designed this way and some synergize better with certain roles than others. But who said that all of them should be the same?
Nowadays we have more options available, with changes to classes and new gear sets. And you have gear choices as a tank, youre not forced to wear histbark/footman and stand stilll. New mechanics require a lot of movement, so you actually need to think how to position yourself and your enemies and you cant just stand in one spot with your shield up and taunt once in 10 seconds. This is why I think that tanking gameplay have improved a lot since then.

And since youre talking about not having freedom and such, may I ask something? Have you tried tanking vet trials and dsa after the patch?

Doctordarkspawn

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

...As for 'Magicka or GTFO', well...now it's "Stamina prefered" which is not much better.

What are you even talking about? Have you seen the group that got #1 vMoL hardmode? Have you seen the groups that have top spots in leaderboards?

No, I dont, because I dont care about leaderboards that much.

I do care so I minmax. But if youre interested in classes, I know for a fact that vMoL was tanked by templar and nb. Sorc tanks are rare, but its probably possible too.
If you dont care about leaderboards you absolutely dont need a stam dk with ebon and whatever, I can assure you.

Herein, lies the rub. And this will be the last time I make this point:

I've seen video footage of a templar tanking Vmol, I know sorc tanks and NB tanks who have too. NB is honestly one of the -better- tanks just below DK because they along with DK have a in combat means of stamins regeneration.

The rub is, however, that templar was using a fraction of his skills. Why? because not alot of them could be used in the permablock situation most of Vmol is. Yes your going to weave in heavy attacks. Yes your going to try and maximize stamina resource value. And that's the point of tanking, now, maximizing the value you get from stam so you can -do your job-.

So if only a fraction of the skills can be used, the ammount of USEFULL skills shrinks dramatically.

The illusion of choice is thinking you can have anything on your bar and you'll be fine. People have proposed that people only be able to use certain skills in dungeons and trials, and quite frankly I think that'd be an honest system than what we have now, where very few of our skills are useful, in those situations.

The point isn't that you need a stam DK with ebon for trials. The point is, the amount of variety you have beyond the roll, is paramount to dressing the wall up with a different colored shield.

I never said I can have anything on my bar. Where did you even get that from? I said I have options, and thats 100% true.
And it was never the case, having random skills, even in the old days.
Yes, classes are different, theyre designed this way and some synergize better with certain roles than others. But who said that all of them should be the same?
Nowadays we have more options available, with changes to classes and new gear sets. And you have gear choices as a tank, youre not forced to wear histbark/footman and stand stilll. New mechanics require a lot of movement, so you actually need to think how to position yourself and your enemies and you cant just stand in one spot with your shield up and taunt once in 10 seconds. This is why I think that tanking gameplay have improved a lot since then.

All those times that you said 'ummm, that's not an illusion'. Because that's what I ment. And it's what I've been meaning this entire damn time.

In the old days yes you had a rigid build you had to follow, but the build rigidity only thawed a inch or two. You still have requirements. You still have a proper way of doing things.

Do you get what I'm sayin gnow?

LadyNalcarya

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

...As for 'Magicka or GTFO', well...now it's "Stamina prefered" which is not much better.

What are you even talking about? Have you seen the group that got #1 vMoL hardmode? Have you seen the groups that have top spots in leaderboards?

No, I dont, because I dont care about leaderboards that much.

I do care so I minmax. But if youre interested in classes, I know for a fact that vMoL was tanked by templar and nb. Sorc tanks are rare, but its probably possible too.
If you dont care about leaderboards you absolutely dont need a stam dk with ebon and whatever, I can assure you.

Herein, lies the rub. And this will be the last time I make this point:

I've seen video footage of a templar tanking Vmol, I know sorc tanks and NB tanks who have too. NB is honestly one of the -better- tanks just below DK because they along with DK have a in combat means of stamins regeneration.

The rub is, however, that templar was using a fraction of his skills. Why? because not alot of them could be used in the permablock situation most of Vmol is. Yes your going to weave in heavy attacks. Yes your going to try and maximize stamina resource value. And that's the point of tanking, now, maximizing the value you get from stam so you can -do your job-.

So if only a fraction of the skills can be used, the ammount of USEFULL skills shrinks dramatically.

The illusion of choice is thinking you can have anything on your bar and you'll be fine. People have proposed that people only be able to use certain skills in dungeons and trials, and quite frankly I think that'd be an honest system than what we have now, where very few of our skills are useful, in those situations.

The point isn't that you need a stam DK with ebon for trials. The point is, the amount of variety you have beyond the roll, is paramount to dressing the wall up with a different colored shield.

I never said I can have anything on my bar. Where did you even get that from? I said I have options, and thats 100% true.
And it was never the case, having random skills, even in the old days.
Yes, classes are different, theyre designed this way and some synergize better with certain roles than others. But who said that all of them should be the same?
Nowadays we have more options available, with changes to classes and new gear sets. And you have gear choices as a tank, youre not forced to wear histbark/footman and stand stilll. New mechanics require a lot of movement, so you actually need to think how to position yourself and your enemies and you cant just stand in one spot with your shield up and taunt once in 10 seconds. This is why I think that tanking gameplay have improved a lot since then.

All those times that you said 'ummm, that's not an illusion'. Because that's what I ment. And it's what I've been meaning this entire damn time.

In the old days yes you had a rigid build you had to follow, but the build rigidity only thawed a inch or two. You still have requirements. You still have a proper way of doing things.

Do you get what I'm sayin gnow?

Well, as a healer you cant have a full bar of random skills. As a dd you cant have a full bar of random skills. What makes you think that as a tank you have to be able to just slot random skills and be competitive?
And if swapping from "histbark/footman/stand still and block" meta to active movement+lots of support sets/skills is just a small change for you, I really dont know what to say.

DschiPeunt

I think you don't get what you're saying yourself.

A specific class (e.g. Templar) in a specific role (e.g. Tank) in a specific situation (e.g. Tanking vMoL) can't make use of all of his skills. Wow. Splendid observation. This game is a mess. Just imagine, if tanks had to put a taunt in their bar! What cruel requirements.

Doctordarkspawn

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

...As for 'Magicka or GTFO', well...now it's "Stamina prefered" which is not much better.

What are you even talking about? Have you seen the group that got #1 vMoL hardmode? Have you seen the groups that have top spots in leaderboards?

No, I dont, because I dont care about leaderboards that much.

I do care so I minmax. But if youre interested in classes, I know for a fact that vMoL was tanked by templar and nb. Sorc tanks are rare, but its probably possible too.
If you dont care about leaderboards you absolutely dont need a stam dk with ebon and whatever, I can assure you.

Herein, lies the rub. And this will be the last time I make this point:

I've seen video footage of a templar tanking Vmol, I know sorc tanks and NB tanks who have too. NB is honestly one of the -better- tanks just below DK because they along with DK have a in combat means of stamins regeneration.

The rub is, however, that templar was using a fraction of his skills. Why? because not alot of them could be used in the permablock situation most of Vmol is. Yes your going to weave in heavy attacks. Yes your going to try and maximize stamina resource value. And that's the point of tanking, now, maximizing the value you get from stam so you can -do your job-.

So if only a fraction of the skills can be used, the ammount of USEFULL skills shrinks dramatically.

The illusion of choice is thinking you can have anything on your bar and you'll be fine. People have proposed that people only be able to use certain skills in dungeons and trials, and quite frankly I think that'd be an honest system than what we have now, where very few of our skills are useful, in those situations.

The point isn't that you need a stam DK with ebon for trials. The point is, the amount of variety you have beyond the roll, is paramount to dressing the wall up with a different colored shield.

I never said I can have anything on my bar. Where did you even get that from? I said I have options, and thats 100% true.
And it was never the case, having random skills, even in the old days.
Yes, classes are different, theyre designed this way and some synergize better with certain roles than others. But who said that all of them should be the same?
Nowadays we have more options available, with changes to classes and new gear sets. And you have gear choices as a tank, youre not forced to wear histbark/footman and stand stilll. New mechanics require a lot of movement, so you actually need to think how to position yourself and your enemies and you cant just stand in one spot with your shield up and taunt once in 10 seconds. This is why I think that tanking gameplay have improved a lot since then.

All those times that you said 'ummm, that's not an illusion'. Because that's what I ment. And it's what I've been meaning this entire damn time.

In the old days yes you had a rigid build you had to follow, but the build rigidity only thawed a inch or two. You still have requirements. You still have a proper way of doing things.

Do you get what I'm sayin gnow?

Well, as a healer you cant have a full bar of random skills. As a dd you cant have a full bar of random skills. What makes you think that as a tank you have to be able to just slot random skills and be competitive?
And if swapping from "histbark/footman/stand still and block" meta to active movement+lots of support sets/skills is just a small change for you, I really dont know what to say.

I dont know what to say to you either, as you seem determined to keep missing the point. What we have here, is a failure to communicate and I can no longer spare the time for a discussion that keeps going nowhere.

DRXHarbinger

xblackroxe wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

All these dps *** are deluded anyway dude. They only have that for 40s and they are out of resources so doing nothing. That's why esp on console the super hard content is hard as all they want is stam DKs that can't pull 10k dps after 45s...but still bruh. ..did bloodspawn in 30s..means I r entitled.

Nice, somebody clearly has 0 knowledge about this thing called ressource management. Bc everybody runs out of ressources after 40 sec I guess all those dps Screenshots of 45-50k+ over 3+ min are clearly faked.

Try pulling that against the mantikora. You can't with the blocking, the chasing it around floor with tank moving it away from poison aoe, dodging popcorn. Try pulling those numbers in a fight where you aren't planted spamming rapid strikes, rending slashes, rapids, claw and so on and so forth. To pull those kinds of numbers you're exhausting something like....what....2k stam per skill, so in 3s you've laid down...hail, lethal injection, rapids, rending..tell me how much stam that is and how much regen you need to keep that up for 10 mins...
Get anyone to do this BS test and make a video of it and see thier stam levels and tell me they have enough stam to last a fight against a boss with 62m health. Another boss example is that whispmother thing in AA. With 62m health. You cannot park up and pull those figures for the whole fight. In fact stam *** are generally the last to get a hit on the clone spawns that appear.

xblackroxe

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

...As for 'Magicka or GTFO', well...now it's "Stamina prefered" which is not much better.

What are you even talking about? Have you seen the group that got #1 vMoL hardmode? Have you seen the groups that have top spots in leaderboards?

No, I dont, because I dont care about leaderboards that much.

I do care so I minmax. But if youre interested in classes, I know for a fact that vMoL was tanked by templar and nb. Sorc tanks are rare, but its probably possible too.
If you dont care about leaderboards you absolutely dont need a stam dk with ebon and whatever, I can assure you.

Herein, lies the rub. And this will be the last time I make this point:

I've seen video footage of a templar tanking Vmol, I know sorc tanks and NB tanks who have too. NB is honestly one of the -better- tanks just below DK because they along with DK have a in combat means of stamins regeneration.

The rub is, however, that templar was using a fraction of his skills. Why? because not alot of them could be used in the permablock situation most of Vmol is. Yes your going to weave in heavy attacks. Yes your going to try and maximize stamina resource value. And that's the point of tanking, now, maximizing the value you get from stam so you can -do your job-.

So if only a fraction of the skills can be used, the ammount of USEFULL skills shrinks dramatically.

The illusion of choice is thinking you can have anything on your bar and you'll be fine. People have proposed that people only be able to use certain skills in dungeons and trials, and quite frankly I think that'd be an honest system than what we have now, where very few of our skills are useful, in those situations.

The point isn't that you need a stam DK with ebon for trials. The point is, the amount of variety you have beyond the roll, is paramount to dressing the wall up with a different colored shield.

I never said I can have anything on my bar. Where did you even get that from? I said I have options, and thats 100% true.
And it was never the case, having random skills, even in the old days.
Yes, classes are different, theyre designed this way and some synergize better with certain roles than others. But who said that all of them should be the same?
Nowadays we have more options available, with changes to classes and new gear sets. And you have gear choices as a tank, youre not forced to wear histbark/footman and stand stilll. New mechanics require a lot of movement, so you actually need to think how to position yourself and your enemies and you cant just stand in one spot with your shield up and taunt once in 10 seconds. This is why I think that tanking gameplay have improved a lot since then.

All those times that you said 'ummm, that's not an illusion'. Because that's what I ment. And it's what I've been meaning this entire damn time.

In the old days yes you had a rigid build you had to follow, but the build rigidity only thawed a inch or two. You still have requirements. You still have a proper way of doing things.

Do you get what I'm sayin gnow?

Well, as a healer you cant have a full bar of random skills. As a dd you cant have a full bar of random skills. What makes you think that as a tank you have to be able to just slot random skills and be competitive?
And if swapping from "histbark/footman/stand still and block" meta to active movement+lots of support sets/skills is just a small change for you, I really dont know what to say.

I dont know what to say to you either, as you seem determined to keep missing the point. What we have here, is a failure to communicate and I can no longer spare the time for a discussion that keeps going nowhere.

It honestly seems more like you don´t get your own point.

DschiPeunt

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

All these dps *** are deluded anyway dude. They only have that for 40s and they are out of resources so doing nothing. That's why esp on console the super hard content is hard as all they want is stam DKs that can't pull 10k dps after 45s...but still bruh. ..did bloodspawn in 30s..means I r entitled.

Nice, somebody clearly has 0 knowledge about this thing called ressource management. Bc everybody runs out of ressources after 40 sec I guess all those dps Screenshots of 45-50k+ over 3+ min are clearly faked.

Try pulling that against the mantikora. You can't with the blocking, the chasing it around floor with tank moving it away from poison aoe, dodging popcorn. Try pulling those numbers in a fight where you aren't planted spamming rapid strikes, rending slashes, rapids, claw and so on and so forth. To pull those kinds of numbers you're exhausting something like....what....2k stam per skill, so in 3s you've laid down...hail, lethal injection, rapids, rending..tell me how much stam that is and how much regen you need to keep that up for 10 mins...
Get anyone to do this BS test and make a video of it and see thier stam levels and tell me they have enough stam to last a fight against a boss with 62m health. Another boss example is that whispmother thing in AA. With 62m health. You cannot park up and pull those figures for the whole fight. In fact stam *** are generally the last to get a hit on the clone spawns that appear.

Just because you can't do it, does not mean that others can't as well.

LadyNalcarya

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

All these dps *** are deluded anyway dude. They only have that for 40s and they are out of resources so doing nothing. That's why esp on console the super hard content is hard as all they want is stam DKs that can't pull 10k dps after 45s...but still bruh. ..did bloodspawn in 30s..means I r entitled.

Nice, somebody clearly has 0 knowledge about this thing called ressource management. Bc everybody runs out of ressources after 40 sec I guess all those dps Screenshots of 45-50k+ over 3+ min are clearly faked.

Try pulling that against the mantikora. You can't with the blocking, the chasing it around floor with tank moving it away from poison aoe, dodging popcorn. Try pulling those numbers in a fight where you aren't planted spamming rapid strikes, rending slashes, rapids, claw and so on and so forth. To pull those kinds of numbers you're exhausting something like....what....2k stam per skill, so in 3s you've laid down...hail, lethal injection, rapids, rending..tell me how much stam that is and how much regen you need to keep that up for 10 mins...
Get anyone to do this BS test and make a video of it and see thier stam levels and tell me they have enough stam to last a fight against a boss with 62m health. Another boss example is that whispmother thing in AA. With 62m health. You cannot park up and pull those figures for the whole fight. In fact stam *** are generally the last to get a hit on the clone spawns that appear.

https://youtu.be/ADJ4x9qpqeQ
Hmm must be a fake I guess...

DRXHarbinger

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

All these dps *** are deluded anyway dude. They only have that for 40s and they are out of resources so doing nothing. That's why esp on console the super hard content is hard as all they want is stam DKs that can't pull 10k dps after 45s...but still bruh. ..did bloodspawn in 30s..means I r entitled.

Nice, somebody clearly has 0 knowledge about this thing called ressource management. Bc everybody runs out of ressources after 40 sec I guess all those dps Screenshots of 45-50k+ over 3+ min are clearly faked.

Try pulling that against the mantikora. You can't with the blocking, the chasing it around floor with tank moving it away from poison aoe, dodging popcorn. Try pulling those numbers in a fight where you aren't planted spamming rapid strikes, rending slashes, rapids, claw and so on and so forth. To pull those kinds of numbers you're exhausting something like....what....2k stam per skill, so in 3s you've laid down...hail, lethal injection, rapids, rending..tell me how much stam that is and how much regen you need to keep that up for 10 mins...
Get anyone to do this BS test and make a video of it and see thier stam levels and tell me they have enough stam to last a fight against a boss with 62m health. Another boss example is that whispmother thing in AA. With 62m health. You cannot park up and pull those figures for the whole fight. In fact stam *** are generally the last to get a hit on the clone spawns that appear.

https://youtu.be/ADJ4x9qpqeQ
Hmm must be a fake I guess...

Been called out on cheat engine iirc.

DschiPeunt

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

All these dps *** are deluded anyway dude. They only have that for 40s and they are out of resources so doing nothing. That's why esp on console the super hard content is hard as all they want is stam DKs that can't pull 10k dps after 45s...but still bruh. ..did bloodspawn in 30s..means I r entitled.

Nice, somebody clearly has 0 knowledge about this thing called ressource management. Bc everybody runs out of ressources after 40 sec I guess all those dps Screenshots of 45-50k+ over 3+ min are clearly faked.

Try pulling that against the mantikora. You can't with the blocking, the chasing it around floor with tank moving it away from poison aoe, dodging popcorn. Try pulling those numbers in a fight where you aren't planted spamming rapid strikes, rending slashes, rapids, claw and so on and so forth. To pull those kinds of numbers you're exhausting something like....what....2k stam per skill, so in 3s you've laid down...hail, lethal injection, rapids, rending..tell me how much stam that is and how much regen you need to keep that up for 10 mins...
Get anyone to do this BS test and make a video of it and see thier stam levels and tell me they have enough stam to last a fight against a boss with 62m health. Another boss example is that whispmother thing in AA. With 62m health. You cannot park up and pull those figures for the whole fight. In fact stam *** are generally the last to get a hit on the clone spawns that appear.

https://youtu.be/ADJ4x9qpqeQ
Hmm must be a fake I guess...

Been called out on cheat engine iirc.

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Ch4mpTW

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

All these dps *** are deluded anyway dude. They only have that for 40s and they are out of resources so doing nothing. That's why esp on console the super hard content is hard as all they want is stam DKs that can't pull 10k dps after 45s...but still bruh. ..did bloodspawn in 30s..means I r entitled.

Nice, somebody clearly has 0 knowledge about this thing called ressource management. Bc everybody runs out of ressources after 40 sec I guess all those dps Screenshots of 45-50k+ over 3+ min are clearly faked.

Try pulling that against the mantikora. You can't with the blocking, the chasing it around floor with tank moving it away from poison aoe, dodging popcorn. Try pulling those numbers in a fight where you aren't planted spamming rapid strikes, rending slashes, rapids, claw and so on and so forth. To pull those kinds of numbers you're exhausting something like....what....2k stam per skill, so in 3s you've laid down...hail, lethal injection, rapids, rending..tell me how much stam that is and how much regen you need to keep that up for 10 mins...
Get anyone to do this BS test and make a video of it and see thier stam levels and tell me they have enough stam to last a fight against a boss with 62m health. Another boss example is that whispmother thing in AA. With 62m health. You cannot park up and pull those figures for the whole fight. In fact stam *** are generally the last to get a hit on the clone spawns that appear.

While it can be done, I personally think there is an incredibly small group of people who can do so. A very small group, who wouldn't exactly fit into the category of your typical trial runner. Those who do so would amongst the upper-tier of resource management understanding. At least logic would dictate so, as every single time I've been in VAA or VSO — there's always someone screaming, "I need shards!" And this is usually when the boss hasn't even hit 80% health, and coming from those who aren't 1 of the tanks.

xblackroxe

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

All these dps *** are deluded anyway dude. They only have that for 40s and they are out of resources so doing nothing. That's why esp on console the super hard content is hard as all they want is stam DKs that can't pull 10k dps after 45s...but still bruh. ..did bloodspawn in 30s..means I r entitled.

Nice, somebody clearly has 0 knowledge about this thing called ressource management. Bc everybody runs out of ressources after 40 sec I guess all those dps Screenshots of 45-50k+ over 3+ min are clearly faked.

Try pulling that against the mantikora. You can't with the blocking, the chasing it around floor with tank moving it away from poison aoe, dodging popcorn. Try pulling those numbers in a fight where you aren't planted spamming rapid strikes, rending slashes, rapids, claw and so on and so forth. To pull those kinds of numbers you're exhausting something like....what....2k stam per skill, so in 3s you've laid down...hail, lethal injection, rapids, rending..tell me how much stam that is and how much regen you need to keep that up for 10 mins...
Get anyone to do this BS test and make a video of it and see thier stam levels and tell me they have enough stam to last a fight against a boss with 62m health. Another boss example is that whispmother thing in AA. With 62m health. You cannot park up and pull those figures for the whole fight. In fact stam *** are generally the last to get a hit on the clone spawns that appear.

https://youtu.be/ADJ4x9qpqeQ
Hmm must be a fake I guess...

Been called out on cheat engine iirc.

Just lol. Nothing more to say xD

magnusthorek

In my opinion, is the lack of ethics that always happen in the vast majority of non-real content, be it a social network or an online game.

I hate lying and lies in general. I value honesty, justice and fairness. If I can complete a hard content, I'll say so. If I never did, but I think I can if properly explained, I'll also say so, like when @code65536 invited me do VDSA after the revamp.

But, like I said, there are a lot of players who don't do that and they lie, saying they CAN do something, but in fact they THINK they can do, especially when the matter is veteran trials.

That's one of the reasons, although not the biggest (as there's medical conditions involved), I simply don't run DPS tests at all.

I'll stay as a happy Nightfighter's "Social Potatoe" as long as I (and them) feel I'm worthy.

Ch4mpTW

magnusthorek wrote: »

In my opinion, is the lack of ethics that always happen in the vast majority of non-real content, be it a social network or an online game.

I hate lying and lies in general. I value honesty, justice and fairness. If I can complete a hard content, I'll say so. If I never did, but I think I can if properly explained, I'll also say so, like when @code65536 invited me do VDSA after the revamp.

But, like I said, there are a lot of players who don't do that and they lie, saying they CAN do something, but in fact they THINK they can do, especially when the matter is veteran trials.

That's one of the reasons, although not the biggest (as there's medical conditions involved), I simply don't run DPS tests at all.

I'll stay as a happy Nightfighter's "Social Potatoe" as long as I (and them) feel I'm worthy.

Very well said, sir. Take this +1.

Kyoma

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

All these dps *** are deluded anyway dude. They only have that for 40s and they are out of resources so doing nothing. That's why esp on console the super hard content is hard as all they want is stam DKs that can't pull 10k dps after 45s...but still bruh. ..did bloodspawn in 30s..means I r entitled.

Nice, somebody clearly has 0 knowledge about this thing called ressource management. Bc everybody runs out of ressources after 40 sec I guess all those dps Screenshots of 45-50k+ over 3+ min are clearly faked.

Try pulling that against the mantikora. You can't with the blocking, the chasing it around floor with tank moving it away from poison aoe, dodging popcorn. Try pulling those numbers in a fight where you aren't planted spamming rapid strikes, rending slashes, rapids, claw and so on and so forth. To pull those kinds of numbers you're exhausting something like....what....2k stam per skill, so in 3s you've laid down...hail, lethal injection, rapids, rending..tell me how much stam that is and how much regen you need to keep that up for 10 mins...
Get anyone to do this BS test and make a video of it and see thier stam levels and tell me they have enough stam to last a fight against a boss with 62m health. Another boss example is that whispmother thing in AA. With 62m health. You cannot park up and pull those figures for the whole fight. In fact stam *** are generally the last to get a hit on the clone spawns that appear.

https://youtu.be/ADJ4x9qpqeQ
Hmm must be a fake I guess...

Been called out on cheat engine iirc.

Ok, fair enough, so in the future people not only need to record their performance but also include the taskmanager with ALL processes alongside it for the full duration of the video.

DRXHarbinger

You "elites" bite way to much. Point proven, elitism not only ruins the game for 99% of the population but forums too.

Elite section of forum required.

Dymence

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

All these dps *** are deluded anyway dude. They only have that for 40s and they are out of resources so doing nothing. That's why esp on console the super hard content is hard as all they want is stam DKs that can't pull 10k dps after 45s...but still bruh. ..did bloodspawn in 30s..means I r entitled.

Nice, somebody clearly has 0 knowledge about this thing called ressource management. Bc everybody runs out of ressources after 40 sec I guess all those dps Screenshots of 45-50k+ over 3+ min are clearly faked.

Try pulling that against the mantikora. You can't with the blocking, the chasing it around floor with tank moving it away from poison aoe, dodging popcorn. Try pulling those numbers in a fight where you aren't planted spamming rapid strikes, rending slashes, rapids, claw and so on and so forth. To pull those kinds of numbers you're exhausting something like....what....2k stam per skill, so in 3s you've laid down...hail, lethal injection, rapids, rending..tell me how much stam that is and how much regen you need to keep that up for 10 mins...
Get anyone to do this BS test and make a video of it and see thier stam levels and tell me they have enough stam to last a fight against a boss with 62m health. Another boss example is that whispmother thing in AA. With 62m health. You cannot park up and pull those figures for the whole fight. In fact stam *** are generally the last to get a hit on the clone spawns that appear.

https://youtu.be/ADJ4x9qpqeQ
Hmm must be a fake I guess...

Been called out on cheat engine iirc.

HAHAHA, cheat engine.

When reality hits you, it hits you hard, huh?

LadyNalcarya

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

You "elites" bite way to much. Point proven, elitism not only ruins the game for 99% of the population but forums too.

Elite section of forum required.

A video bit you?

xblackroxe

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

You "elites" bite way to much. Point proven, elitism not only ruins the game for 99% of the population but forums too.

Elite section of forum required.

Yeah right we are the problem not people like you that clearly have no knowledge of the game and instantly call out CE just because they can´t see there are actually people good in this game.

Domardal

Kyoma wrote: »

Hey! I paid good money to be allowed into the ranks of the Elite! I don't want others to take that away from me....

#EliteLivesMatter

all gather and protect kyo!!

btw ... what the OP says is just bulls***
you have to buy gold jewlery? xD
I loled... you need the looted jewlery and until then you are absolutly fine with willpower/agility xD
btw you can get the pruple jewlery that is just minimal worse than gold in freaking normal versions of all trials.

And if i am an "elitist" by trying to minmax my build - so be it, and sry for caring for scores and not complaining that I can't complete vMOL on my RP build.... hard content is meant for committed players and there are a lot that are giving their all even if they havent completed vMOL yet. And lets be honest there should also be a reward for the commitment.

and fyi... look at the amount of people that are quitting from those "elitist" guilds like Beyond Infinity, Hodor, Well Fitted.
The guilds would die out if we wouldn't take in newbies and train them...

tbh this post is so far away from reality i am seriously thinking you are trolling.

hedna123b14_ESO

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

If you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen. When will people understand there is a part of our community that enjoy pushing the limits? Veteran trials are OUR content. If you don't like the community for those things DONT DO THEM. You are not entitled to completing all content in this game with low effort.

Like pvp is not for me, vet trials are not for you. Deal. With. It.

Then again most trial guilds are always willing to help you improve. The problem with you people is, you don't want to improve, you just want to complete the content. Don't make it look like it's someone else's fault, because it's not. This content has minimum requirements, and if you are not willing to (yes this is simply an "I want to factor") go for that level, simply stop bothering. But don't come here to the forums complaining how elitist everyone is for not carrying lazy people through vet maw.

Also how many deaths did we have on vmol hard mode? 4, 5? All 17k life DD's. Did you hear anyone blame the healer? Nope. The tank? Nope. We just played on. Stop talking nonsense to prove your own biased points about a community you apparently know nothing about.

I am constantly busy helping new tanks go to trials. I even watched some streams, helped an xbox guild complete vet maw. Posts like yours are exactly what creates the toxicity, because you are talking about people you KNOW NOTHING about.

...? Are you serious? Is dude serious? Certainly you had a bad day, or woke-up on the wrong side of the bed — yes? You didn't mean all that. You didn't mean those highly-venomous and toxic words you just directed at me. I know for a fact you didn't mean that. And I forgive you in advance. We all have rough days, and things like this slip out sometimes. And I am more than understanding. So, I'm going to excuse you for that little outburst of sorts.

Read over what you just said to me, and then read over what I wrote in my initial post of the thread. And ask yourself, "Damn, did I really mean that...? Did I really mean to show out like that, to this person who I know nothing about?" Once you do this, feel free to hit me up with an apology. ^_^

Lol....the QQ is real

ScardyFox

To the OP: I'd buy you a drink irl if I could.

Asmael

49k DPS is cheat engine. Ok.

I did Elden with Yolo wizzy today, and he had 54k on last boss, so I guess I was tanking with a cheater, kappa.

The problem is that people can't fathom such DPS, because they don't know how to reach it. They have little or no knowledge of group synergies, debuffing, theorycrafting, they don't work on their rotations, and they call out cheating or macros for something they can't understand.

None of the parses are done on your own, and most people are missing what is a key factor, but seems they can't take a look themselves, let's focus on what we should be focusing on:



50k DPS single target is feasible because you have a group rocking SPC, warhorns, minor and major fracture / breach, combat prayer, Infallible Aether and other set debuffs (Sunderflame, Alkosh) to support you, while you have worked on your stats, skill setup and rotation (part that most people just haven't worked enough).

LadyNalcarya

xblackroxe wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

You "elites" bite way to much. Point proven, elitism not only ruins the game for 99% of the population but forums too.

Elite section of forum required.

Yeah right we are the problem not people like you that clearly have no knowledge of the game and instantly call out CE just because they can´t see there are actually people good in this game.

But you know, accusing people in cheating and putting labels (such as "elitist") is so nice and friendly and not damaging the community at all.

Wollust

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

All these dps *** are deluded anyway dude. They only have that for 40s and they are out of resources so doing nothing. That's why esp on console the super hard content is hard as all they want is stam DKs that can't pull 10k dps after 45s...but still bruh. ..did bloodspawn in 30s..means I r entitled.

Nice, somebody clearly has 0 knowledge about this thing called ressource management. Bc everybody runs out of ressources after 40 sec I guess all those dps Screenshots of 45-50k+ over 3+ min are clearly faked.

Try pulling that against the mantikora. You can't with the blocking, the chasing it around floor with tank moving it away from poison aoe, dodging popcorn. Try pulling those numbers in a fight where you aren't planted spamming rapid strikes, rending slashes, rapids, claw and so on and so forth. To pull those kinds of numbers you're exhausting something like....what....2k stam per skill, so in 3s you've laid down...hail, lethal injection, rapids, rending..tell me how much stam that is and how much regen you need to keep that up for 10 mins...
Get anyone to do this BS test and make a video of it and see thier stam levels and tell me they have enough stam to last a fight against a boss with 62m health. Another boss example is that whispmother thing in AA. With 62m health. You cannot park up and pull those figures for the whole fight. In fact stam *** are generally the last to get a hit on the clone spawns that appear.

Fact is, you have no idea what you're talking about.