DPS Tests and Trials Breeding Elitism

Brrrofski

timidobserver wrote: »

Console gamers are strange animals. As a PC ESO player that is in the leadership is a somewhat high-end endgame guild, constantly runs vet trials, and has finished vMoL probably somewhere near 20+ times, I have never(not even 1 time) heard anyone mention the term "bloodspawn test" in game. The only reason I know that it is a thing is console players constantly complaining about it on forums. I know that I would be more likely to group with a 20k dps that can do the colors right in vMoL over a 80k bloodpawn dps.

Has anyone on PC ever experienced this "bloodspawn test" elitism phenomenon?

Thing is, on pc you have dps charts and trackers. We don't on console. So they may way we can test our dps is by how fast we can kill something.

Woeler

If you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen. When will people understand there is a part of our community that enjoy pushing the limits? Veteran trials are OUR content. If you don't like the community for those things DONT DO THEM. You are not entitled to completing all content in this game with low effort.

Like pvp is not for me, vet trials are not for you. Deal. With. It.

Then again most trial guilds are always willing to help you improve. The problem with you people is, you don't want to improve, you just want to complete the content. Don't make it look like it's someone else's fault, because it's not. This content has minimum requirements, and if you are not willing to (yes this is simply an "I want to factor") go for that level, simply stop bothering. But don't come here to the forums complaining how elitist everyone is for not carrying lazy people through vet maw.

Also how many deaths did we have on vmol hard mode? 4, 5? All 17k life DD's. Did you hear anyone blame the healer? Nope. The tank? Nope. We just played on. Stop talking nonsense to prove your own biased points about a community you apparently know nothing about.

I am constantly busy helping new tanks go to trials. I even watched some streams, helped an xbox guild complete vet maw. Posts like yours are exactly what creates the toxicity, because you are talking about people you KNOW NOTHING about.

Ch4mpTW

Woeler wrote: »

If you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen. When will people understand there is a part of our community that enjoy pushing the limits? Veteran trials are OUR content. If you don't like the community for those things DONT DO THEM. You are not entitled to completing all content in this game with low effort.

Like pvp is not for me, vet trials are not for you. Deal. With. It.

Then again most trial guilds are always willing to help you improve. The problem with you people is, you don't want to improve, you just want to complete the content. Don't make it look like it's someone else's fault, because it's not. This content has minimum requirements, and if you are not willing to (yes this is simply an "I want to factor") go for that level, simply stop bothering. But don't come here to the forums complaining how elitist everyone is for not carrying lazy people through vet maw.

Also how many deaths did we have on vmol hard mode? 4, 5? All 17k life DD's. Did you hear anyone blame the healer? Nope. The tank? Nope. We just played on. Stop talking nonsense to prove your own biased points about a community you apparently know nothing about.

I am constantly busy helping new tanks go to trials. I even watched some streams, helped an xbox guild complete vet maw. Posts like yours are exactly what creates the toxicity, because you are talking about people you KNOW NOTHING about.

...? Are you serious? Is dude serious? Certainly you had a bad day, or woke-up on the wrong side of the bed — yes? You didn't mean all that. You didn't mean those highly-venomous and toxic words you just directed at me. I know for a fact you didn't mean that. And I forgive you in advance. We all have rough days, and things like this slip out sometimes. And I am more than understanding. So, I'm going to excuse you for that little outburst of sorts.

Read over what you just said to me, and then read over what I wrote in my initial post of the thread. And ask yourself, "Damn, did I really mean that...? Did I really mean to show out like that, to this person who I know nothing about?" Once you do this, feel free to hit me up with an apology. ^_^

Humatiel

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

If you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen. When will people understand there is a part of our community that enjoy pushing the limits? Veteran trials are OUR content. If you don't like the community for those things DONT DO THEM. You are not entitled to completing all content in this game with low effort.

Like pvp is not for me, vet trials are not for you. Deal. With. It.

Then again most trial guilds are always willing to help you improve. The problem with you people is, you don't want to improve, you just want to complete the content. Don't make it look like it's someone else's fault, because it's not. This content has minimum requirements, and if you are not willing to (yes this is simply an "I want to factor") go for that level, simply stop bothering. But don't come here to the forums complaining how elitist everyone is for not carrying lazy people through vet maw.

Also how many deaths did we have on vmol hard mode? 4, 5? All 17k life DD's. Did you hear anyone blame the healer? Nope. The tank? Nope. We just played on. Stop talking nonsense to prove your own biased points about a community you apparently know nothing about.

I am constantly busy helping new tanks go to trials. I even watched some streams, helped an xbox guild complete vet maw. Posts like yours are exactly what creates the toxicity, because you are talking about people you KNOW NOTHING about.

...? Are you serious? Is dude serious? Certainly you had a bad day, or woke-up on the wrong side of the bed — yes? You didn't mean all that. You didn't mean those highly-venomous and toxic words you just directed at me. I know for a fact you didn't mean that. And I forgive you in advance.

I tip my hat to you sir, alienating Woeler is without doubt one of the fastest ways to alienate the PvE community. Not even I as a fairly consistent troll can accomplish this as quickly as you are about to.

Ch4mpTW

Humatiel wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

If you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen. When will people understand there is a part of our community that enjoy pushing the limits? Veteran trials are OUR content. If you don't like the community for those things DONT DO THEM. You are not entitled to completing all content in this game with low effort.

Like pvp is not for me, vet trials are not for you. Deal. With. It.

Then again most trial guilds are always willing to help you improve. The problem with you people is, you don't want to improve, you just want to complete the content. Don't make it look like it's someone else's fault, because it's not. This content has minimum requirements, and if you are not willing to (yes this is simply an "I want to factor") go for that level, simply stop bothering. But don't come here to the forums complaining how elitist everyone is for not carrying lazy people through vet maw.

Also how many deaths did we have on vmol hard mode? 4, 5? All 17k life DD's. Did you hear anyone blame the healer? Nope. The tank? Nope. We just played on. Stop talking nonsense to prove your own biased points about a community you apparently know nothing about.

I am constantly busy helping new tanks go to trials. I even watched some streams, helped an xbox guild complete vet maw. Posts like yours are exactly what creates the toxicity, because you are talking about people you KNOW NOTHING about.

...? Are you serious? Is dude serious? Certainly you had a bad day, or woke-up on the wrong side of the bed — yes? You didn't mean all that. You didn't mean those highly-venomous and toxic words you just directed at me. I know for a fact you didn't mean that. And I forgive you in advance.

I tip my hat to you sir, alienating Woeler is without doubt one of the fastest ways to alienate the PvE community. Not even I as a fairly consistent troll can accomplish this as quickly as you are about to.

N'ah bro. Not alienation. It's called having basic respect for people. Both offline and online. And even then, I don't care WHO you are. You do not disrespect people offline, or online. And if you do, don't do it to me. I don't tolerate it offline, and best believe ya boy isn't going to tolerate it online. At the end of the day, this is ESO. A GAME that was created to provide entertainment and a means to be social with others who are fans of the Elder Scrolls franchise. I'm not about to sit here and tolerate myself getting chumped by this individual. No. Not happening. I beta tested this game, and have been playing it on 2 platforms for a VERY long time. So please, don't even try it. Also, I believe I was very polite and respectful when addressing dude. But, if you think I'm going to be submissive??? You're wilding, and tweaking heavy.

Humatiel

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Humatiel wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

If you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen. When will people understand there is a part of our community that enjoy pushing the limits? Veteran trials are OUR content. If you don't like the community for those things DONT DO THEM. You are not entitled to completing all content in this game with low effort.

Like pvp is not for me, vet trials are not for you. Deal. With. It.

Then again most trial guilds are always willing to help you improve. The problem with you people is, you don't want to improve, you just want to complete the content. Don't make it look like it's someone else's fault, because it's not. This content has minimum requirements, and if you are not willing to (yes this is simply an "I want to factor") go for that level, simply stop bothering. But don't come here to the forums complaining how elitist everyone is for not carrying lazy people through vet maw.

Also how many deaths did we have on vmol hard mode? 4, 5? All 17k life DD's. Did you hear anyone blame the healer? Nope. The tank? Nope. We just played on. Stop talking nonsense to prove your own biased points about a community you apparently know nothing about.

I am constantly busy helping new tanks go to trials. I even watched some streams, helped an xbox guild complete vet maw. Posts like yours are exactly what creates the toxicity, because you are talking about people you KNOW NOTHING about.

...? Are you serious? Is dude serious? Certainly you had a bad day, or woke-up on the wrong side of the bed — yes? You didn't mean all that. You didn't mean those highly-venomous and toxic words you just directed at me. I know for a fact you didn't mean that. And I forgive you in advance.

I tip my hat to you sir, alienating Woeler is without doubt one of the fastest ways to alienate the PvE community. Not even I as a fairly consistent troll can accomplish this as quickly as you are about to.

N'ah bro. Not alienation. It's called having basic respect for people. Both offline and online. And even then, I don't care WHO you are. You do not disrespect people offline, or online. And if you do, don't do it to me. I don't tolerate it offline, and best believe ya boy isn't going to tolerate it online. At the end of the day, this is ESO. A GAME that was created to provide entertainment and a means to be social with others who are fans of the Elder Scrolls franchise. I'm not about to sit here and tolerate myself getting chumped by this individual. No. Not happening. I beta tested this game, and have been playing it on 2 platforms for a VERY long time. So please, don't even try it. Also, I believe I was very polite and respectful when addressing dude. But, if you think I'm going to be submissive??? You're wilding, and tweaking heavy.

two points right off, one Woeler doesn't have the slightest idea who I am and I know him only by reputation. Two he has said nothing about the person only about there intent with a character. Woeler also has eight kinds of guides and a guild that helps new players along with being nice enough to help the general community with complicated questions such as specific if/then statements inside vMOL. That doesn't sound like a player that would ever insult another person over a game.

Woeler

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

If you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen. When will people understand there is a part of our community that enjoy pushing the limits? Veteran trials are OUR content. If you don't like the community for those things DONT DO THEM. You are not entitled to completing all content in this game with low effort.

Like pvp is not for me, vet trials are not for you. Deal. With. It.

Then again most trial guilds are always willing to help you improve. The problem with you people is, you don't want to improve, you just want to complete the content. Don't make it look like it's someone else's fault, because it's not. This content has minimum requirements, and if you are not willing to (yes this is simply an "I want to factor") go for that level, simply stop bothering. But don't come here to the forums complaining how elitist everyone is for not carrying lazy people through vet maw.

Also how many deaths did we have on vmol hard mode? 4, 5? All 17k life DD's. Did you hear anyone blame the healer? Nope. The tank? Nope. We just played on. Stop talking nonsense to prove your own biased points about a community you apparently know nothing about.

I am constantly busy helping new tanks go to trials. I even watched some streams, helped an xbox guild complete vet maw. Posts like yours are exactly what creates the toxicity, because you are talking about people you KNOW NOTHING about.

And ask yourself, "Damn, did I really mean that...?

Every. Single. Word. I'm making a point. Because your post is generalizing a lot of my friends as jerks. And no, I do not respect that. Frankly, I frown upon it.

An apology? To you? You're a funny man.

edited masked profanity

Ch4mpTW

Humatiel wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Humatiel wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

If you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen. When will people understand there is a part of our community that enjoy pushing the limits? Veteran trials are OUR content. If you don't like the community for those things DONT DO THEM. You are not entitled to completing all content in this game with low effort.

Like pvp is not for me, vet trials are not for you. Deal. With. It.

Then again most trial guilds are always willing to help you improve. The problem with you people is, you don't want to improve, you just want to complete the content. Don't make it look like it's someone else's fault, because it's not. This content has minimum requirements, and if you are not willing to (yes this is simply an "I want to factor") go for that level, simply stop bothering. But don't come here to the forums complaining how elitist everyone is for not carrying lazy people through vet maw.

Also how many deaths did we have on vmol hard mode? 4, 5? All 17k life DD's. Did you hear anyone blame the healer? Nope. The tank? Nope. We just played on. Stop talking nonsense to prove your own biased points about a community you apparently know nothing about.

I am constantly busy helping new tanks go to trials. I even watched some streams, helped an xbox guild complete vet maw. Posts like yours are exactly what creates the toxicity, because you are talking about people you KNOW NOTHING about.

...? Are you serious? Is dude serious? Certainly you had a bad day, or woke-up on the wrong side of the bed — yes? You didn't mean all that. You didn't mean those highly-venomous and toxic words you just directed at me. I know for a fact you didn't mean that. And I forgive you in advance.

I tip my hat to you sir, alienating Woeler is without doubt one of the fastest ways to alienate the PvE community. Not even I as a fairly consistent troll can accomplish this as quickly as you are about to.

N'ah bro. Not alienation. It's called having basic respect for people. Both offline and online. And even then, I don't care WHO you are. You do not disrespect people offline, or online. And if you do, don't do it to me. I don't tolerate it offline, and best believe ya boy isn't going to tolerate it online. At the end of the day, this is ESO. A GAME that was created to provide entertainment and a means to be social with others who are fans of the Elder Scrolls franchise. I'm not about to sit here and tolerate myself getting chumped by this individual. No. Not happening. I beta tested this game, and have been playing it on 2 platforms for a VERY long time. So please, don't even try it. Also, I believe I was very polite and respectful when addressing dude. But, if you think I'm going to be submissive??? You're wilding, and tweaking heavy.

two points right off, one Woeler doesn't have the slightest idea who I am and I know him only by reputation. Two he has said nothing about the person only about there intent with a character. Woeler also has eight kinds of guides and a guild that helps new players along with being nice enough to help the general community with complicated questions such as specific if/then statements inside vMOL. That doesn't sound like a player that would ever insult another person over a game.

Read what they just directed at me, and tell me that's not insulting. Regardless, I said what I meant. And best believe I meant what I said. And I'll say it once more. I don't care who anyone is. Nor what their reputation is, or accolades. It's called being respectful to others, and being respectful of the fact that EVERYONE is entitled to an opinion. Whether or not we have to agree with it, is a whole other story in itself. Because in the end, we don't have to agree on things. And that is perfectly fine in of itself. However, there is a way of getting your point across without being direspectful and insulting. And then you tell me of how I'm supposed to just bow out, and deal with what they just said to me? Lol. For real, bruh-bruh? Just because of their reputation and cyber accolades, I'm supposed to just let it slide? Word?

Humatiel

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Humatiel wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Humatiel wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

If you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen. When will people understand there is a part of our community that enjoy pushing the limits? Veteran trials are OUR content. If you don't like the community for those things DONT DO THEM. You are not entitled to completing all content in this game with low effort.

Like pvp is not for me, vet trials are not for you. Deal. With. It.

Then again most trial guilds are always willing to help you improve. The problem with you people is, you don't want to improve, you just want to complete the content. Don't make it look like it's someone else's fault, because it's not. This content has minimum requirements, and if you are not willing to (yes this is simply an "I want to factor") go for that level, simply stop bothering. But don't come here to the forums complaining how elitist everyone is for not carrying lazy people through vet maw.

Also how many deaths did we have on vmol hard mode? 4, 5? All 17k life DD's. Did you hear anyone blame the healer? Nope. The tank? Nope. We just played on. Stop talking nonsense to prove your own biased points about a community you apparently know nothing about.

I am constantly busy helping new tanks go to trials. I even watched some streams, helped an xbox guild complete vet maw. Posts like yours are exactly what creates the toxicity, because you are talking about people you KNOW NOTHING about.

...? Are you serious? Is dude serious? Certainly you had a bad day, or woke-up on the wrong side of the bed — yes? You didn't mean all that. You didn't mean those highly-venomous and toxic words you just directed at me. I know for a fact you didn't mean that. And I forgive you in advance.

I tip my hat to you sir, alienating Woeler is without doubt one of the fastest ways to alienate the PvE community. Not even I as a fairly consistent troll can accomplish this as quickly as you are about to.

N'ah bro. Not alienation. It's called having basic respect for people. Both offline and online. And even then, I don't care WHO you are. You do not disrespect people offline, or online. And if you do, don't do it to me. I don't tolerate it offline, and best believe ya boy isn't going to tolerate it online. At the end of the day, this is ESO. A GAME that was created to provide entertainment and a means to be social with others who are fans of the Elder Scrolls franchise. I'm not about to sit here and tolerate myself getting chumped by this individual. No. Not happening. I beta tested this game, and have been playing it on 2 platforms for a VERY long time. So please, don't even try it. Also, I believe I was very polite and respectful when addressing dude. But, if you think I'm going to be submissive??? You're wilding, and tweaking heavy.

two points right off, one Woeler doesn't have the slightest idea who I am and I know him only by reputation. Two he has said nothing about the person only about there intent with a character. Woeler also has eight kinds of guides and a guild that helps new players along with being nice enough to help the general community with complicated questions such as specific if/then statements inside vMOL. That doesn't sound like a player that would ever insult another person over a game.

Read what they just directed at me, and tell me that's not insulting. Regardless, I said what I meant. And best believe I meant what I said. And I'll say it once more. I don't care who anyone is. Nor what their reputation is, or accolades. It's called being respectful to others, and being respectful of the fact that EVERYONE is entitled to an opinion. Whether or not we have to agree with it, is a whole other story in itself. Because in the end, we don't have to agree on things. And that is perfectly fine in of itself. However, there is a way of getting your point across without being direspectful and insulting. And then you tell me of how I'm supposed to just bow out, and deal with what they just said to me? Lol. For real, bruh-bruh? Just because of their reputation and cyber accolades, I'm supposed to just let it slide? Word?

Fair, lets review his post.

-Players enjoying hard content, and being the best at it.
-Content being hard takes time and effort to complete
-Trials have minimum requirements, because of that players need to as well.
-Guilds arent the issue, most players wont put time in to improve.
-17k health isnt a fault, evidence is his raiding team (arguably the best in the game) runs it
as a standard.

Exactly what part of that has offended you as a person?

Woeler

Humatiel wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Humatiel wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Humatiel wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

If you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen. When will people understand there is a part of our community that enjoy pushing the limits? Veteran trials are OUR content. If you don't like the community for those things DONT DO THEM. You are not entitled to completing all content in this game with low effort.

Like pvp is not for me, vet trials are not for you. Deal. With. It.

Then again most trial guilds are always willing to help you improve. The problem with you people is, you don't want to improve, you just want to complete the content. Don't make it look like it's someone else's fault, because it's not. This content has minimum requirements, and if you are not willing to (yes this is simply an "I want to factor") go for that level, simply stop bothering. But don't come here to the forums complaining how elitist everyone is for not carrying lazy people through vet maw.

Also how many deaths did we have on vmol hard mode? 4, 5? All 17k life DD's. Did you hear anyone blame the healer? Nope. The tank? Nope. We just played on. Stop talking nonsense to prove your own biased points about a community you apparently know nothing about.

I am constantly busy helping new tanks go to trials. I even watched some streams, helped an xbox guild complete vet maw. Posts like yours are exactly what creates the toxicity, because you are talking about people you KNOW NOTHING about.

...? Are you serious? Is dude serious? Certainly you had a bad day, or woke-up on the wrong side of the bed — yes? You didn't mean all that. You didn't mean those highly-venomous and toxic words you just directed at me. I know for a fact you didn't mean that. And I forgive you in advance.

I tip my hat to you sir, alienating Woeler is without doubt one of the fastest ways to alienate the PvE community. Not even I as a fairly consistent troll can accomplish this as quickly as you are about to.

N'ah bro. Not alienation. It's called having basic respect for people. Both offline and online. And even then, I don't care WHO you are. You do not disrespect people offline, or online. And if you do, don't do it to me. I don't tolerate it offline, and best believe ya boy isn't going to tolerate it online. At the end of the day, this is ESO. A GAME that was created to provide entertainment and a means to be social with others who are fans of the Elder Scrolls franchise. I'm not about to sit here and tolerate myself getting chumped by this individual. No. Not happening. I beta tested this game, and have been playing it on 2 platforms for a VERY long time. So please, don't even try it. Also, I believe I was very polite and respectful when addressing dude. But, if you think I'm going to be submissive??? You're wilding, and tweaking heavy.

two points right off, one Woeler doesn't have the slightest idea who I am and I know him only by reputation. Two he has said nothing about the person only about there intent with a character. Woeler also has eight kinds of guides and a guild that helps new players along with being nice enough to help the general community with complicated questions such as specific if/then statements inside vMOL. That doesn't sound like a player that would ever insult another person over a game.

Read what they just directed at me, and tell me that's not insulting. Regardless, I said what I meant. And best believe I meant what I said. And I'll say it once more. I don't care who anyone is. Nor what their reputation is, or accolades. It's called being respectful to others, and being respectful of the fact that EVERYONE is entitled to an opinion. Whether or not we have to agree with it, is a whole other story in itself. Because in the end, we don't have to agree on things. And that is perfectly fine in of itself. However, there is a way of getting your point across without being direspectful and insulting. And then you tell me of how I'm supposed to just bow out, and deal with what they just said to me? Lol. For real, bruh-bruh? Just because of their reputation and cyber accolades, I'm supposed to just let it slide? Word?

Fair, lets review his post.

-Players enjoying hard content, and being the best at it.
-Content being hard takes time and effort to complete
-Trials have minimum requirements, because of that players need to as well.
-Guilds arent the issue, most players wont put time in to improve.
-17k health isnt a fault, evidence is his raiding team (arguably the best in the game) runs it
as a standard.

Exactly what part of that has offended you as a person?

The part where I do not agree with his biased views.

Ch4mpTW

Woeler wrote: »

Humatiel wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Humatiel wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Humatiel wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

If you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen. When will people understand there is a part of our community that enjoy pushing the limits? Veteran trials are OUR content. If you don't like the community for those things DONT DO THEM. You are not entitled to completing all content in this game with low effort.

Like pvp is not for me, vet trials are not for you. Deal. With. It.

Then again most trial guilds are always willing to help you improve. The problem with you people is, you don't want to improve, you just want to complete the content. Don't make it look like it's someone else's fault, because it's not. This content has minimum requirements, and if you are not willing to (yes this is simply an "I want to factor") go for that level, simply stop bothering. But don't come here to the forums complaining how elitist everyone is for not carrying lazy people through vet maw.

Also how many deaths did we have on vmol hard mode? 4, 5? All 17k life DD's. Did you hear anyone blame the healer? Nope. The tank? Nope. We just played on. Stop talking nonsense to prove your own biased points about a community you apparently know nothing about.

I am constantly busy helping new tanks go to trials. I even watched some streams, helped an xbox guild complete vet maw. Posts like yours are exactly what creates the toxicity, because you are talking about people you KNOW NOTHING about.

...? Are you serious? Is dude serious? Certainly you had a bad day, or woke-up on the wrong side of the bed — yes? You didn't mean all that. You didn't mean those highly-venomous and toxic words you just directed at me. I know for a fact you didn't mean that. And I forgive you in advance.

I tip my hat to you sir, alienating Woeler is without doubt one of the fastest ways to alienate the PvE community. Not even I as a fairly consistent troll can accomplish this as quickly as you are about to.

N'ah bro. Not alienation. It's called having basic respect for people. Both offline and online. And even then, I don't care WHO you are. You do not disrespect people offline, or online. And if you do, don't do it to me. I don't tolerate it offline, and best believe ya boy isn't going to tolerate it online. At the end of the day, this is ESO. A GAME that was created to provide entertainment and a means to be social with others who are fans of the Elder Scrolls franchise. I'm not about to sit here and tolerate myself getting chumped by this individual. No. Not happening. I beta tested this game, and have been playing it on 2 platforms for a VERY long time. So please, don't even try it. Also, I believe I was very polite and respectful when addressing dude. But, if you think I'm going to be submissive??? You're wilding, and tweaking heavy.

two points right off, one Woeler doesn't have the slightest idea who I am and I know him only by reputation. Two he has said nothing about the person only about there intent with a character. Woeler also has eight kinds of guides and a guild that helps new players along with being nice enough to help the general community with complicated questions such as specific if/then statements inside vMOL. That doesn't sound like a player that would ever insult another person over a game.

Read what they just directed at me, and tell me that's not insulting. Regardless, I said what I meant. And best believe I meant what I said. And I'll say it once more. I don't care who anyone is. Nor what their reputation is, or accolades. It's called being respectful to others, and being respectful of the fact that EVERYONE is entitled to an opinion. Whether or not we have to agree with it, is a whole other story in itself. Because in the end, we don't have to agree on things. And that is perfectly fine in of itself. However, there is a way of getting your point across without being direspectful and insulting. And then you tell me of how I'm supposed to just bow out, and deal with what they just said to me? Lol. For real, bruh-bruh? Just because of their reputation and cyber accolades, I'm supposed to just let it slide? Word?

Fair, lets review his post.

-Players enjoying hard content, and being the best at it.
-Content being hard takes time and effort to complete
-Trials have minimum requirements, because of that players need to as well.
-Guilds arent the issue, most players wont put time in to improve.
-17k health isnt a fault, evidence is his raiding team (arguably the best in the game) runs it
as a standard.

Exactly what part of that has offended you as a person?

The part where I do not agree with his biased views.

Do you have a problem, bro...? Because honestly, you're coming off super aggressive and venomous. And you're REALLY making me both angry and uncomfortable. If you have a personal issue with me, PM me about it. And we can handle it low-key and or in PVP, if things progress like that. But, you're really coming off disrespectful. And you don't know me like that. I've been trying to be really polite and respectful, but you're stepping on my toes G. And I really don't like it. So I'd appreciate it if you stop, or just put me on ignore, or just message me. Because I'm REALLY not feeling you right now, bruh.

Woeler

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

Humatiel wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Humatiel wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Humatiel wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

If you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen. When will people understand there is a part of our community that enjoy pushing the limits? Veteran trials are OUR content. If you don't like the community for those things DONT DO THEM. You are not entitled to completing all content in this game with low effort.

Like pvp is not for me, vet trials are not for you. Deal. With. It.

Then again most trial guilds are always willing to help you improve. The problem with you people is, you don't want to improve, you just want to complete the content. Don't make it look like it's someone else's fault, because it's not. This content has minimum requirements, and if you are not willing to (yes this is simply an "I want to factor") go for that level, simply stop bothering. But don't come here to the forums complaining how elitist everyone is for not carrying lazy people through vet maw.

Also how many deaths did we have on vmol hard mode? 4, 5? All 17k life DD's. Did you hear anyone blame the healer? Nope. The tank? Nope. We just played on. Stop talking nonsense to prove your own biased points about a community you apparently know nothing about.

I am constantly busy helping new tanks go to trials. I even watched some streams, helped an xbox guild complete vet maw. Posts like yours are exactly what creates the toxicity, because you are talking about people you KNOW NOTHING about.

...? Are you serious? Is dude serious? Certainly you had a bad day, or woke-up on the wrong side of the bed — yes? You didn't mean all that. You didn't mean those highly-venomous and toxic words you just directed at me. I know for a fact you didn't mean that. And I forgive you in advance.

I tip my hat to you sir, alienating Woeler is without doubt one of the fastest ways to alienate the PvE community. Not even I as a fairly consistent troll can accomplish this as quickly as you are about to.

N'ah bro. Not alienation. It's called having basic respect for people. Both offline and online. And even then, I don't care WHO you are. You do not disrespect people offline, or online. And if you do, don't do it to me. I don't tolerate it offline, and best believe ya boy isn't going to tolerate it online. At the end of the day, this is ESO. A GAME that was created to provide entertainment and a means to be social with others who are fans of the Elder Scrolls franchise. I'm not about to sit here and tolerate myself getting chumped by this individual. No. Not happening. I beta tested this game, and have been playing it on 2 platforms for a VERY long time. So please, don't even try it. Also, I believe I was very polite and respectful when addressing dude. But, if you think I'm going to be submissive??? You're wilding, and tweaking heavy.

two points right off, one Woeler doesn't have the slightest idea who I am and I know him only by reputation. Two he has said nothing about the person only about there intent with a character. Woeler also has eight kinds of guides and a guild that helps new players along with being nice enough to help the general community with complicated questions such as specific if/then statements inside vMOL. That doesn't sound like a player that would ever insult another person over a game.

Read what they just directed at me, and tell me that's not insulting. Regardless, I said what I meant. And best believe I meant what I said. And I'll say it once more. I don't care who anyone is. Nor what their reputation is, or accolades. It's called being respectful to others, and being respectful of the fact that EVERYONE is entitled to an opinion. Whether or not we have to agree with it, is a whole other story in itself. Because in the end, we don't have to agree on things. And that is perfectly fine in of itself. However, there is a way of getting your point across without being direspectful and insulting. And then you tell me of how I'm supposed to just bow out, and deal with what they just said to me? Lol. For real, bruh-bruh? Just because of their reputation and cyber accolades, I'm supposed to just let it slide? Word?

Fair, lets review his post.

-Players enjoying hard content, and being the best at it.
-Content being hard takes time and effort to complete
-Trials have minimum requirements, because of that players need to as well.
-Guilds arent the issue, most players wont put time in to improve.
-17k health isnt a fault, evidence is his raiding team (arguably the best in the game) runs it
as a standard.

Exactly what part of that has offended you as a person?

The part where I do not agree with his biased views.

Do you have a problem, bro...? Because honestly, you're coming off super aggressive and venomous. And you're REALLY making me both angry and uncomfortable. If you have a personal issue with me, PM me about it. And we can handle it low-key and or in PVP, if things progress like that. But, you're really coming off disrespectful. And you don't know me like that. I've been trying to be really polite and respectful, but you're stepping on my toes G. And I really don't like it. So I'd appreciate it if you stop, or just put me on ignore, or just message me. Because I'm REALLY not feeling you right now, bruh.

I very much have a problem with you. You sketch off an entire part of the comunity as jerks, and among them are many of my friends. So if I'm stepping on your toes, I suggest you move your foot, because I'm not going to sit here while you talk nonsense about a community I like very much. And I really don't care if people disguise their nonsense in politeness or not.

Also, I am not your "G", whatever language that may be. Don't talk nonsense about my friends and expect me to respect you. And if you don't like people disagreeing with you, I suggest you close your browser.



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Ch4mpTW

Woeler wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

Humatiel wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Humatiel wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Humatiel wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Woeler wrote: »

If you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen. When will people understand there is a part of our community that enjoy pushing the limits? Veteran trials are OUR content. If you don't like the community for those things DONT DO THEM. You are not entitled to completing all content in this game with low effort.

Like pvp is not for me, vet trials are not for you. Deal. With. It.

Then again most trial guilds are always willing to help you improve. The problem with you people is, you don't want to improve, you just want to complete the content. Don't make it look like it's someone else's fault, because it's not. This content has minimum requirements, and if you are not willing to (yes this is simply an "I want to factor") go for that level, simply stop bothering. But don't come here to the forums complaining how elitist everyone is for not carrying lazy people through vet maw.

Also how many deaths did we have on vmol hard mode? 4, 5? All 17k life DD's. Did you hear anyone blame the healer? Nope. The tank? Nope. We just played on. Stop talking nonsense to prove your own biased points about a community you apparently know nothing about.

I am constantly busy helping new tanks go to trials. I even watched some streams, helped an xbox guild complete vet maw. Posts like yours are exactly what creates the toxicity, because you are talking about people you KNOW NOTHING about.

...? Are you serious? Is dude serious? Certainly you had a bad day, or woke-up on the wrong side of the bed — yes? You didn't mean all that. You didn't mean those highly-venomous and toxic words you just directed at me. I know for a fact you didn't mean that. And I forgive you in advance.

I tip my hat to you sir, alienating Woeler is without doubt one of the fastest ways to alienate the PvE community. Not even I as a fairly consistent troll can accomplish this as quickly as you are about to.

N'ah bro. Not alienation. It's called having basic respect for people. Both offline and online. And even then, I don't care WHO you are. You do not disrespect people offline, or online. And if you do, don't do it to me. I don't tolerate it offline, and best believe ya boy isn't going to tolerate it online. At the end of the day, this is ESO. A GAME that was created to provide entertainment and a means to be social with others who are fans of the Elder Scrolls franchise. I'm not about to sit here and tolerate myself getting chumped by this individual. No. Not happening. I beta tested this game, and have been playing it on 2 platforms for a VERY long time. So please, don't even try it. Also, I believe I was very polite and respectful when addressing dude. But, if you think I'm going to be submissive??? You're wilding, and tweaking heavy.

two points right off, one Woeler doesn't have the slightest idea who I am and I know him only by reputation. Two he has said nothing about the person only about there intent with a character. Woeler also has eight kinds of guides and a guild that helps new players along with being nice enough to help the general community with complicated questions such as specific if/then statements inside vMOL. That doesn't sound like a player that would ever insult another person over a game.

Read what they just directed at me, and tell me that's not insulting. Regardless, I said what I meant. And best believe I meant what I said. And I'll say it once more. I don't care who anyone is. Nor what their reputation is, or accolades. It's called being respectful to others, and being respectful of the fact that EVERYONE is entitled to an opinion. Whether or not we have to agree with it, is a whole other story in itself. Because in the end, we don't have to agree on things. And that is perfectly fine in of itself. However, there is a way of getting your point across without being direspectful and insulting. And then you tell me of how I'm supposed to just bow out, and deal with what they just said to me? Lol. For real, bruh-bruh? Just because of their reputation and cyber accolades, I'm supposed to just let it slide? Word?

Fair, lets review his post.

-Players enjoying hard content, and being the best at it.
-Content being hard takes time and effort to complete
-Trials have minimum requirements, because of that players need to as well.
-Guilds arent the issue, most players wont put time in to improve.
-17k health isnt a fault, evidence is his raiding team (arguably the best in the game) runs it
as a standard.

Exactly what part of that has offended you as a person?

The part where I do not agree with his biased views.

Do you have a problem, bro...? Because honestly, you're coming off super aggressive and venomous. And you're REALLY making me both angry and uncomfortable. If you have a personal issue with me, PM me about it. And we can handle it low-key and or in PVP, if things progress like that. But, you're really coming off disrespectful. And you don't know me like that. I've been trying to be really polite and respectful, but you're stepping on my toes G. And I really don't like it. So I'd appreciate it if you stop, or just put me on ignore, or just message me. Because I'm REALLY not feeling you right now, bruh.

I very much have a problem with you. You sketch off an entire part of the comunity as /-\ssholes, and among them are many of my friends. So if I'm stepping on your toes, I suggest you move your foot, because I'm not going to sit here while you talk nonsense about a community I like very much.

Also, I am not your "G", whatever language that may be. Don't talk nonsense about my friends and expect me to respect you. And if you don't like people disagreeing with you, I suggest you close your browser.

...? So what's good? What's popping?

Waseem

1) team player
2) understanding and applying mechanics
3) consistent internet connection
4) proper gaming setup for a game like ESO. (PC) not 1000000$ pc with 48 monitors, but enough to run stable 30-40dps at worst case scenario
5) block/dodge when needed
6) best quality gear - its not just to help you, you are playing in a team and whichever gear you use will have its effect on whole trial group/raid and use proper potions ( keep major brutality/sorcery up all time)
7) good to perfect execution of your role (does near max dps potential)
8) patience and will of progression (to properly complete the veteran versions of trials)

at the moment guilds are like bus stops.. you start with this one and as you improve, you leave it for the next one climbing a pyramid.. i understand that some people may want to have some competition on leaderboards but its not like Zenimax is giving you a 1 million dollar prize pool or sending teams for competition in Esports nor any of the other 99% of players community actually cares about your spot on leaderboards.
making friendship with guild members is not a crime aswell, its dirty not to.

for "field tests" and "tryouts" and all that i think the veteran versions of Dragonstar Arena and Hel Ra Citadel are quite nice and give enough summary of applicants spot on the pixel land's heroism ladder and improvement potentials, for known reasons, ofcourse.

alainjbrennanb16_ESO

I understand where he is coming from, his points about this locking out of mid-range players by the so called high-end range.

i agree with these so called, that say they can do this 35k dps single, standing in aoes etc, but what i have found is they just don't stand in aoe's but are not good for the group, as they are more interested int them selfs and not the group, ofc they will get high dps if they just stand there and don't res anyone in the group, but then what good are they to the group. To me a person who has a solid dps and knows the machincs is a better fit to the group then these dps number spammers.

Another thing i have found lately is trail group saying to people if you don't have certain skills like warhorn from pvp (some pve never go pvp) and certain gear like ebon for tanks and nothing else and inflabile aether for healers, you must have vma title (which makes no sense since that only shows ur good at being aware of what is around you (granted thats helpful) and that you are a good solo player, not a group player).

apart from them i disagree on the rest, but what i have found to be more annoying is these people are not letting players grow, they are the type to spout you must wear this and that and play like i do, not the way you want to play, these so called elite players just want carbon copies of them selfs, this has been said to me not just by randoms, but also guild members, at which other guild members laugh at them and say you don't even compare to him, his out paces you in all roles, dps etc, where i just blush, i went my own and have op dps (not to brag), because i wear gear that took me time to test and skills as well that took time to understand to the best rotation.

all i will say is learn you build take ur time and soon you will be there, if anyone needs help in the end game stuff getting through just hit me up in game and iam happy to tag along with you and let you learn, in-game tag is @bladedbelial

Paulington

I can echo what @Woeler has said. You're writing off my entire guild as elitist morons when in reality we are the exact opposite of that. If you come to Hodor and apply with screenshots of Bloodspawn DPS we aren't interested. We want to see screenshots of full fight damage on Serpent/Mage/Warrior or even better a video of you doing the same.

Almost anyone with a cookie cutter build can drop 50k DPS for ten seconds and call it good, very few people can pull 40k DPS for seven minutes over the length of a Rakkhat fight on a magicka DPS.

In Hodor we have two raid groups, I think Woeler has four in BI and there are a ton of other guilds out there with raid groups who most definitely do not ostracise newer players. If you come in and pull 10k less DPS than everyone else but aren't dead on the floor all the time then we like you! You can improve.

The fact of the matter is that it takes personal involvement. Go do normal Trials, plenty of people advertising in zone. Get experience, ask around. Once you've mastered normal Trials you can apply to some raiding guilds with some good screenshots and work your way up. This is how everyone else has done it, no-one was gifted their spot in an end-game raid group.

I can tell you for sure that anyone you meet from Hodor is not elitist and instead we have people who run normal LFG groups constantly and help newer players. I would wager most guilds are exactly the same. Any elitist you do meet is not worth playing with.

Ch4mpTW

alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »

I understand where he is coming from, his points about this locking out of mid-range players by the so called high-end range.

i agree with these so called, that say they can do this 35k dps single, standing in aoes etc, but what i have found is they just don't stand in aoe's but are not good for the group, as they are more interested int them selfs and not the group, ofc they will get high dps if they just stand there and don't res anyone in the group, but then what good are they to the group. To me a person who has a solid dps and knows the machincs is a better fit to the group then these dps number spammers.

Another thing i have found lately is trail group saying to people if you don't have certain skills like warhorn from pvp (some pve never go pvp) and certain gear like ebon for tanks and nothing else and inflabile aether for healers, you must have vma title (which makes no sense since that only shows ur good at being aware of what is around you (granted thats helpful) and that you are a good solo player, not a group player).

apart from them i disagree on the rest, but what i have found to be more annoying is these people are not letting players grow, they are the type to spout you must wear this and that and play like i do, not the way you want to play, these so called elite players just want carbon copies of them selfs, this has been said to me not just by randoms, but also guild members, at which other guild members laugh at them and say you don't even compare to him, his out paces you in all roles, dps etc, where i just blush, i went my own and have op dps (not to brag), because i wear gear that took me time to test and skills as well that took time to understand to the best rotation.

all i will say is learn you build take ur time and soon you will be there, if anyone needs help in the end game stuff getting through just hit me up in game and iam happy to tag along with you and let you learn, in-game tag is @bladedbelial

Thank you for being 1 of the few who understood what I was saying, and putting your disagreements in a respectful way. Kudos to you for that.

By the way, 4th Shehai Shatterer. I should hopefully have my VMoL completion sometime later on today, or early in the approaching week. And to those curious, I do in fact enjoy trials and challenging content. I do. And it's a blast. So no, I'm not slamming the end-game PvE community as some people may believe. I in fact speak highly of it quite frequently, if you do your research. But, what I don't like is as I said. People shunning others, and the mistreatment of others. As well as blatant rudeness and toxic behavior shown by many of the "elite" and "prestigious" I see so frequently.

Pic by the way:

Ch4mpTW

Paulington wrote: »

I can echo what @Woeler has said. You're writing off my entire guild as elitist morons when in reality we are the exact opposite of that. If you come to Hodor and apply with screenshots of Bloodspawn DPS we aren't interested. We want to see screenshots of full fight damage on Serpent/Mage/Warrior or even better a video of you doing the same.

Almost anyone with a cookie cutter build can drop 50k DPS for ten seconds and call it good, very few people can pull 40k DPS for seven minutes over the length of a Rakkhat fight on a magicka DPS.

In Hodor we have two raid groups, I think Woeler has four in BI and there are a ton of other guilds out there with raid groups who most definitely do not ostracise newer players. If you come in and pull 10k less DPS than everyone else but aren't dead on the floor all the time then we like you! You can improve.

The fact of the matter is that it takes personal involvement. Go do normal Trials, plenty of people advertising in zone. Get experience, ask around. Once you've mastered normal Trials you can apply to some raiding guilds with some good screenshots and work your way up. This is how everyone else has done it, no-one was gifted their spot in an end-game raid group.

I can tell you for sure that anyone you meet from Hodor is not elitist and instead we have people who run normal LFG groups constantly and help newer players. I would wager most guilds are exactly the same. Any elitist you do meet is not worth playing with.

Dude, I'm not calling all end-game trial runners elitist. Nor jerks. Read over what I wrote more carefully. -_-

Dymence

I do like how you're prancing around with the Shehai Shatterer title like it's the next big thing, when it really, really, is not worth mentioning. I know some less-than-optimal individuals who possess this title with whom I would rather avoid playing.

Other than that, your issue seems to be a console issue entirely. I don't see this type of behaviour on PC at all.

People having established names and reputation for themselves based on nothing, because you can't actually control what kind of performance anyone is doing on console reliably. You don't have DPS meters, so you have no idea what people are pulling, allowing them to hide behind this 'reputation'. The only thing you can distinguish people by is movement.

And people wearing *** gear setups to improve their survivability makes me laugh. Go hard or go home.

Also, you may want to look up the definition of elitism carefully. It's basically 1:1 to calling people jerks.

xblackroxe

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Paulington wrote: »

I can echo what @Woeler has said. You're writing off my entire guild as elitist morons when in reality we are the exact opposite of that. If you come to Hodor and apply with screenshots of Bloodspawn DPS we aren't interested. We want to see screenshots of full fight damage on Serpent/Mage/Warrior or even better a video of you doing the same.

Almost anyone with a cookie cutter build can drop 50k DPS for ten seconds and call it good, very few people can pull 40k DPS for seven minutes over the length of a Rakkhat fight on a magicka DPS.

In Hodor we have two raid groups, I think Woeler has four in BI and there are a ton of other guilds out there with raid groups who most definitely do not ostracise newer players. If you come in and pull 10k less DPS than everyone else but aren't dead on the floor all the time then we like you! You can improve.

The fact of the matter is that it takes personal involvement. Go do normal Trials, plenty of people advertising in zone. Get experience, ask around. Once you've mastered normal Trials you can apply to some raiding guilds with some good screenshots and work your way up. This is how everyone else has done it, no-one was gifted their spot in an end-game raid group.

I can tell you for sure that anyone you meet from Hodor is not elitist and instead we have people who run normal LFG groups constantly and help newer players. I would wager most guilds are exactly the same. Any elitist you do meet is not worth playing with.

Dude, I'm not calling all end-game trial runners elitist. Nor jerks. Read over what I wrote more carefully. -_-

You sure about that? I guess you have to reread what you wrote. Look at your last paragraph and tell me again how you totally didn't generalize the whole endgame pve community as "elitist" jerks.


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Sumpfheini

As someone who has done hardcore raiding in other MMOs in the past, I have to admit I find "elitism" quite alienating in ESO, primarily because this was never a Raid-MMO for me (if you want hardcore/progression raiding why not play WoW/FFXIV?). Therefore I find the direction of ZOS with dps-checks etc. in their trials very strange. I think pushing to hard into the elite endgame direction would hurt ESO, which strongest point is to being able to "play how you want" and not being forced to play the cookie-cutter-build to access content.

That being said, if it goes for serious raiding, there has to be some "elitism" and checks to weed out players. Although without a doubt some people or guild-leader tend to go overboard. The most problematic thing is if it transfers to other parts of the game and effects peoples game-experience negatively. E.g. yesterday I was instantly kicked out of a PUG Vet-Dungeon Group for being only v190.

Woeler

". The next time you see someone's name on a leaderboard, or hear about how "good" so and so is...? Pause for a moment, and really think about it. Take a second and wonder how it is that so and so got there, and wonder how they treat others."

Oh I guess that is totally not generalizing at all. I am on the top of boards regularly. Guess it automatically proves I treat people like ***.

You are LITERALY STATING high leaderboard ranking = treats people like ***. LITERALY, it is literaly there.

(FYI, you're just an exception, normally I am really nice, but if you insult my friends, we have a problem)

MotokoKusanagi34

Sumpfheini wrote: »

As someone who has done hardcore raiding in other MMOs in the past, I have to admit I find "elitism" quite alienating in ESO, primarily because this was never a Raid-MMO for me (if you want hardcore/progression raiding why not play WoW/FFXIV?). Therefore I find the direction of ZOS with dps-checks etc. in their trials very strange. I think pushing to hard into the elite endgame direction would hurt ESO, which strongest point is to being able to "play how you want" and not being forced to play the cookie-cutter-build to access content.

That being said, if it goes for serious raiding, there has to be some "elitism" and checks to weed out players. Although without a doubt some people or guild-leader tend to go overboard. The most problematic thing is if it transfers to other parts of the game and effects peoples game-experience negatively. E.g. yesterday I was instantly kicked out of a PUG Vet-Dungeon Group for being only v190.

It always depends on the content. You have to be a little bit of an elitist if you want to clear vHM content for instance, because chances are you won't make it with a half-decent team. Most people are fine with playing nSO or veteran dungeon where you can carry even the worst players through every dungeon and this is where elitism becomes ridiculous.

zerosingularity

Boy did someone crank up the heat in here. Probably a good time to chill out. If you people don't relax, I am gonna make some awful puns!

Also, if you want to use an achievement for bragging rights, if it's not Master Angler from before Perfect Roe was introduced or Slaughtered, don't bother. These are arguably the only ones in the game that demonstrate true player skill!

But seriously, I see this time and time again. DPS matters a whole heck of a lot. High dps can make the difference from a 2 hour vICP run to a 30 min cakewalk. Most trial guilds I see tend to require a certain tested dps to have invites to most vet trials, and through my personal experience, this is a good thing. What is even better is those who do not make the cut, are helped to improve, everyone helps each other out in a kind and respectful manner. I only ever saw one case of PvE elitism on PC, and this was back in 2014 when a guild advertised as such, and were promptly mocked for it.

Maybe this is a case of pcmasterrace?

subtlezeroub17_ESO

Ahhh, I remember my hard core raiding days playing WoW in 40 mans then mythic level raids with sometimes crazy requirements way back in high school. Not sure I could go through that again. Not while I'm an adult now with not enough time.

I guess I'm a filthy casual now.

Wifeaggro13

Humatiel wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

SienneYviete wrote: »

WTF even is this thread, stop making excuses.

...? Who is making excuses? I ended up getting my Shehai Shatterer after 1 wipe. Which was my third Shehai Shatterer character, as I had it previously for 2 others. Not to mention, I have cleared all content but vet Maw. And by all content, I mean it. With Vet Maw's completion only inches away from me. So... Who is making excuses, and what would they be making excuses about? I highly advise you read closer, because your post isn't making any sense.

Edit - I forgot to include this below:

If your inches from a vmol completion then you should understand that dps tests (at some point in that players pve career) are what made that possible. You can bring a player to content but past a level of content he needs to decide he wants to tailor his build to it.

The problem in all the content is the lack of creativity. Dps should not be the deciding factor. It's the problem with the whole friggin game. The lack of balance and need for anything else to compete at end game.all the content is based on that and situational awareness. 1 tank 2 healers and 9 top end competitive dps? It's friggin joke. Not everyone likes to play a pew pew. I don't disagree with dps tests, I think the whole game design pigeonholed it self with the trial system and leaderboard design

Izaki

Alcast wrote: »

Movement + situation awarness > DPS

^ This

LadyNalcarya

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

SienneYviete wrote: »

WTF even is this thread, stop making excuses.

...? Who is making excuses? I ended up getting my Shehai Shatterer after 1 wipe. Which was my third Shehai Shatterer character, as I had it previously for 2 others. Not to mention, I have cleared all content but vet Maw. And by all content, I mean it. With Vet Maw's completion only inches away from me. So... Who is making excuses, and what would they be making excuses about? I highly advise you read closer, because your post isn't making any sense.

Edit - I forgot to include this below:

Just getting a title is not comparable to vMoL though, and not comparable to nodeath speedruns and hardmodes.
Its already possible to do farm runs (without hardmode) with semi-random people, if theyre all on ts and can underdstand the tactic (and if you have decent tank and healers). Once I was leading such farm run, and almost no one except me did Hel Ra after the patch, but we did fine. Its surely a step above vet dungeons, but nothing to brag about, sorry ^^

Mustard

You really only need like 25-30k DPS for normal and 20k for vet. That dps I just listed can beat all the content in the game and anything beyond that is overrated and you probably die a lot or your not helping others by hitting synergies

LadyNalcarya

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Read what they just directed at me, and tell me that's not insulting. Regardless, I said what I meant.

What you mean is insulting.
Many people from top guilds are actually helping people and there's little to none toxic players (because those arent team players, you know). Also no one really brags with their bloodspawn parses.
And for you, those people and angry scrubs that cant survive in hel ra are the same. When they actually arent, people who can only pull decent nrs on a gargoyle and die right and left all the time clearly arent that "elite".