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What do you think of Crown Store Random boxes/Lottery box?
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Jade1986✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.And people saying there are no P2W items in the crown store, the tri pots say hello. Otherwise you have to spend tons of gold and time getting the ingredients and leveling your skills. With those they just scale to your level.
It is already happening, and will likely get worse in the future if people ACTUALLY accept this kind of thing.
The tri-pots offer a LOT less than what you get from in game, and 'tons of gold', these things sell fairly cheap from Traders. They've said all along than anything in the Crown store will be 'less effective' than what you can find in game... thus it's not P2W because everyone has access to something BETTER than what is offered in the Crown Store. Furthermore, XP scrolls only effect YOU and how quickly you level, it does not effect how well you play the game. Let's not make mountains out of molehills here. In addition, ZOS stated that they've played BDO and didn't like what they've done so ESO will NEVER offer P2W items... you know, the kind of items that directly give you an advantage against other players.
They do give you a direct advantage, do you know how much columbine goes for? They may be less effective, but it is by definition p2w.
In swtor in galactic starfighter you CAN get all the items for star fighter in the Cartel Market in game, but it takes a LONG time ( just like crafting and getting the items ) and until you do, you get smacked down by the people that have said items. Tri potions add a huge advantage over people in lowbie pvp who dont have the crafting skills yet, or the gold to buy the items. Even if they are slightly less effective.
IF people want to buy that stuff, whatever, but stating there are NO p2w items in the crown store is just false.
Adding lottery boxes though is just flat out wrong.
Whose 'definition' yours?!? Because in MY opinion, P2W are items that are exclusively paid for items that cannot be found in-game and that give you a direct advantage against opponents. People using Crown Store pots are at a disadvantage against other players because MOST players use in-game pots.
They are only at a disadvantage at high level against people that have spent lots of time getting crafting leveled. At low level players who do not use them are at a severe disadvantage.
What you are describing are p2w exclusive items. Even worse.
What are you doing when you buy the tri pots? Paying.
What happens when you come across someone with similar skill, on the same class that doesnt have those items that you bought in the store? You win.
So. It is pay2win.
You're confusing player laziness with P2W. Like I said, if a player cannot achieve enough gold to buy pots by the time they reach level 10, they are doing something wrong.
No normal player is going to have the money to buy tri pots from the guild store at lvl 10, especially not new players.
That's complete bull. With what Iron mats are selling for right now, a few trips collection some iron and selling on the trader and they have MORE THAN ENOUGH to cover buying level ten POTS.
It is still pay to win then. Because you have to farm in order to be able to even afford pots. And this is if you can even find lvl 10 tri pots in the stores. It may not be a p2w exclusive, but it is still p2w.
Normal players who dont have much time per day to play are then at a severe disadvantage because of those tri pots.
It isnt game breaking, but it is p2w.
There are different ways to look at pay to win - normally it is not pay to win, if there is a normal method to get to the item as well ingame - and if you farm the ingredients and make a pot ingame from it, it cannot be pay to win, if that is sold in the crown store as well - then it is just convenient to buy it there, but there is no advantage to be gained from it other than not to have to farm for ingredients. Real pay to win would be something, what is exclusive in the crown store and gives an advantage in the game, which cannot be achieved by other means in game as well.
It is pay to win because you cannot get that quality of item AT ALL at low level, and the tri pots from the crown store scale to your level. I am part of three REALLY large trading guilds and not a single one of them had a tri pot available for lvl 10, 20, or 30, and the pots you can make in game are NOT that much better, here some screen shots for proof later. Then you can see what I am talking about. Real life calls!
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Omnisoul✭I don't really care either way as long as it is purely cosmetic. I ride around on a 10k mount with no crown costumes.0 -
MornaBaine✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.I have just this to say...
https://youtube.com/watch?v=31g0YE61PLQPAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!4 -
jedtb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmeticsAnd people saying there are no P2W items in the crown store, the tri pots say hello. Otherwise you have to spend tons of gold and time getting the ingredients and leveling your skills. With those they just scale to your level.
It is already happening, and will likely get worse in the future if people ACTUALLY accept this kind of thing.
The tri-pots offer a LOT less than what you get from in game, and 'tons of gold', these things sell fairly cheap from Traders. They've said all along than anything in the Crown store will be 'less effective' than what you can find in game... thus it's not P2W because everyone has access to something BETTER than what is offered in the Crown Store. Furthermore, XP scrolls only effect YOU and how quickly you level, it does not effect how well you play the game. Let's not make mountains out of molehills here. In addition, ZOS stated that they've played BDO and didn't like what they've done so ESO will NEVER offer P2W items... you know, the kind of items that directly give you an advantage against other players.
They do give you a direct advantage, do you know how much columbine goes for? They may be less effective, but it is by definition p2w.
In swtor in galactic starfighter you CAN get all the items for star fighter in the Cartel Market in game, but it takes a LONG time ( just like crafting and getting the items ) and until you do, you get smacked down by the people that have said items. Tri potions add a huge advantage over people in lowbie pvp who dont have the crafting skills yet, or the gold to buy the items. Even if they are slightly less effective.
IF people want to buy that stuff, whatever, but stating there are NO p2w items in the crown store is just false.
Adding lottery boxes though is just flat out wrong.
columbine is free.... just go and collect it.0 -
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KingMagaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭No, don't ever add these into the game.If it wasn't for the blatant cheating ESO is on an even enough playing field at the minute.
Adding these boxes will generate little to no revenue if they don't contain items that will give you an advantage, P2W. I have no doubt in my mind the boxes will contain specific items in the future that will give bankrollers advantages over sub players and nonsub players.
I cannot logically see why they are adding more and more to an already unstable foundation. Put some time and effort into conversing with players and seriously address the cheating and your permabans which are simply 3day bans. The latest video of a players boasting about getting unbanned for using CE by calling ZOS has already shown the lack of integrity on there part.1 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.I just came across this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UcmPeXG7qQ&feature=youtu.be
Matt Firor says towards the end, that there will be "super-special mounts" in those random boxes, EXCLUSIVE for those boxes. So this basically means, if you want those, you would have to gamble - I am pretty certain that this is illegal gambling in germany, if ZOS is not just making insignificant amounts of money with it.Edited by Lysette on August 20, 2016 1:39PM6 -
MopeyHat✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.And people saying there are no P2W items in the crown store, the tri pots say hello. Otherwise you have to spend tons of gold and time getting the ingredients and leveling your skills. With those they just scale to your level.
It is already happening, and will likely get worse in the future if people ACTUALLY accept this kind of thing.
The tri-pots offer a LOT less than what you get from in game, and 'tons of gold', these things sell fairly cheap from Traders. They've said all along than anything in the Crown store will be 'less effective' than what you can find in game... thus it's not P2W because everyone has access to something BETTER than what is offered in the Crown Store. Furthermore, XP scrolls only effect YOU and how quickly you level, it does not effect how well you play the game. Let's not make mountains out of molehills here. In addition, ZOS stated that they've played BDO and didn't like what they've done so ESO will NEVER offer P2W items... you know, the kind of items that directly give you an advantage against other players.
They do give you a direct advantage, do you know how much columbine goes for? They may be less effective, but it is by definition p2w.
In swtor in galactic starfighter you CAN get all the items for star fighter in the Cartel Market in game, but it takes a LONG time ( just like crafting and getting the items ) and until you do, you get smacked down by the people that have said items. Tri potions add a huge advantage over people in lowbie pvp who dont have the crafting skills yet, or the gold to buy the items. Even if they are slightly less effective.
IF people want to buy that stuff, whatever, but stating there are NO p2w items in the crown store is just false.
Adding lottery boxes though is just flat out wrong.
Whose 'definition' yours?!? Because in MY opinion, P2W are items that are exclusively paid for items that cannot be found in-game and that give you a direct advantage against opponents. People using Crown Store pots are at a disadvantage against other players because MOST players use in-game pots.
They are only at a disadvantage at high level against people that have spent lots of time getting crafting leveled. At low level players who do not use them are at a severe disadvantage.
What you are describing are p2w exclusive items. Even worse.
What are you doing when you buy the tri pots? Paying.
What happens when you come across someone with similar skill, on the same class that doesnt have those items that you bought in the store? You win.
So. It is pay2win.
You're confusing player laziness with P2W. Like I said, if a player cannot achieve enough gold to buy pots by the time they reach level 10, they are doing something wrong.
No normal player is going to have the money to buy tri pots from the guild store at lvl 10, especially not new players.
That's complete bull. With what Iron mats are selling for right now, a few trips collection some iron and selling on the trader and they have MORE THAN ENOUGH to cover buying level ten POTS.
It is still pay to win then. Because you have to farm in order to be able to even afford pots. And this is if you can even find lvl 10 tri pots in the stores. It may not be a p2w exclusive, but it is still p2w.
Normal players who dont have much time per day to play are then at a severe disadvantage because of those tri pots.
It isnt game breaking, but it is p2w.
There are different ways to look at pay to win - normally it is not pay to win, if there is a normal method to get to the item as well ingame - and if you farm the ingredients and make a pot ingame from it, it cannot be pay to win, if that is sold in the crown store as well - then it is just convenient to buy it there, but there is no advantage to be gained from it other than not to have to farm for ingredients. Real pay to win would be something, what is exclusive in the crown store and gives an advantage in the game, which cannot be achieved by other means in game as well.
It is pay to win because you cannot get that quality of item AT ALL at low level, and the tri pots from the crown store scale to your level. I am part of three REALLY large trading guilds and not a single one of them had a tri pot available for lvl 10, 20, or 30, and the pots you can make in game are NOT that much better, here some screen shots for proof later. Then you can see what I am talking about. Real life calls!- To get the full advantage out of potions, you need to level and spend points in Alchemy anyway.
- P2W doesn't really "apply" to 1-50, at least not in the mind of ZOS, because there is no player competition at those levels - unless you're a BwBaholic, and often times they'll be using invis, immovability or damage potions over tri anyway. PvE leaderboards only apply to champion characters.
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danno8✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.I just came across thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UcmPeXG7qQ&feature=youtu.be
Matt Firor says towards the end, that there will be "super-special mounts" in those random boxes, EXCLUSIVE for those boxes. So this basically means, if you want those, you would have to gamble - I am pretty certain that this is illegal gambling in germany, if ZOS is not just making insignificant amounts of money with it.
The reason it is not considered gambling is because you always win a prize. It's stupid, I know, but that is how mmo's get around the "gambling" label. You always have something to show for your money spent, so technically you have conducted a business transaction.
That's why I voted "never", because I know it's just a matter of time before exclusive things are added to these boxes. At that point you can no longer just buy what you want.
Pretty soon after that, new mounts and cosmetics will only ever be offered in gambling boxes. Just watch.3 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.I just came across thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UcmPeXG7qQ&feature=youtu.be
Matt Firor says towards the end, that there will be "super-special mounts" in those random boxes, EXCLUSIVE for those boxes. So this basically means, if you want those, you would have to gamble - I am pretty certain that this is illegal gambling in germany, if ZOS is not just making insignificant amounts of money with it.
The reason it is not considered gambling is because you always win a prize. It's stupid, I know, but that is how mmo's get around the "gambling" label. You always have something to show for your money spent, so technically you have conducted a business transaction.
That's why I voted "never", because I know it's just a matter of time before exclusive things are added to these boxes. At that point you can no longer just buy what you want.
Pretty soon after that, new mounts and cosmetics will only ever be offered in gambling boxes. Just watch.
Well not in germany, there are strict laws and if you run something like that as a private organization, you have to earn very little with it or it will be illegal - if there is a small win or not - the amount of money made with it as a private organization makes it illegal. And I guess ZOS is not introducing this to make just a small amount of money which is insignificant with it - and so it will be illegal on the EU servers - not at first, because they first have to make a significant amount of money with it, but once they made it, the crime is comitted and the servers can be shut down and the hardware taken from them. You just do not mess with german laws, not in germany - there is a reason why the crime rate is extremely low in germany.Edited by Lysette on August 20, 2016 1:54PM1 -
bunnytrix✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.Here is what I'm afraid of... they'll introduce some really awesome things like we've seen on PTS but have not been introduced to the game yet... and make them "loot box only" items.
This is the whole idea.
They will introduce items that people really want as loot box items only. Just as in SWTOR and other games, there will be awesome mounts/costumes/pets etc only available from the boxes, and with a tiny tiny chance for them to drop. So people will keep on buying them until they get what they want.1 -
Rohamad_Ali✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.An so it begins ... The final transformation of the crown store into a Casino .13 -
Personofsecrets✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.Slot machines are where F2P games go to die.My Holiday Wishlist Below - Message me with any questions and Happy Holidays.
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Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmeticsstarkerealm wrote: »If it's only retired crown store items with a mix of random consumables (like XP scrolls, mimic stones, crown pots, and crown food)... okay. I can live with that.Lord_Dexter wrote: »Prople complaining not add these, should just simply not buy these.
My Yes is because these will be mainly optional and will contain stuff already in the store.
Unfortunately, there is one part that is not good. People who want certain items will have to buy these boxes because they are exclusive to the boxes. If people thought Limited Time Offers were bad, they just found something new to complain about.
For as much as people dislike the RNG system they implemented, it will be interesting to see what people think of the box contents. Grinding for the limited edition and super rare mounts/pets/costumes/etc will cost a small fortune and I am sure there will be some level of disgruntled people. RNG needs to be honest and fair, and I think a lot of folks already believe this is not the case.These accursed things are, in every case, just a huge cash vacuum designed to target the desperate and foolish who think they can beat the odds. It is a predatory sales gimmick and should not be encouraged.
I am fine with how people spend their own money in situations like these.Exactly this - it is gambling with RL money without to have a license for it - it might need some investigation by officials if ZOS is introducing this - Second Life had to stop the gamble by such a reason, we might be able to stop that in ESO as well.
The stuff in the Crown Store has no real value. ZOS is getting money, but the player is really getting nothing of real value in return. The player does not even own the stuff, ZOS does. As far as I am concerned, these purchases are little more than donations. I have to think that makes it hard to establish that it is gambling on a level that any government would be interested in.
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Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.Here is what I'm afraid of... they'll introduce some really awesome things like we've seen on PTS but have not been introduced to the game yet... and make them "loot box only" items.
This is the whole idea.
They will introduce items that people really want as loot box items only. Just as in SWTOR and other games, there will be awesome mounts/costumes/pets etc only available from the boxes, and with a tiny tiny chance for them to drop. So people will keep on buying them until they get what they want.
yeah the same as it is in Archeage - and Matt Firor even said this for "super-special mounts" already for the near future. Well, I will give it some time and then inform the officals to check this, this is for certain, I do not support something what might be illegal on the EU servers. They can do these boxes on the NA servers as much as they want, but not on the EU servers.Edited by Lysette on August 20, 2016 2:00PM2 -
AlienSlof✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.I just came across this
Matt Firor says towards the end, that there will be "super-special mounts" in those random boxes, EXCLUSIVE for those boxes. So this basically means, if you want those, you would have to gamble - I am pretty certain that this is illegal gambling in germany, if ZOS is not just making insignificant amounts of money with it.
This saddens me. I still won't buy them though. If it becomes more and more about the lockbox rubbish, I will simply move on. As soon as something stops being fun, or rams 'buy buy buy' down my throat, that's the cue for me to leave.
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Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.lordrichter wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »If it's only retired crown store items with a mix of random consumables (like XP scrolls, mimic stones, crown pots, and crown food)... okay. I can live with that.Lord_Dexter wrote: »Prople complaining not add these, should just simply not buy these.
My Yes is because these will be mainly optional and will contain stuff already in the store.
Unfortunately, there is one part that is not good. People who want certain items will have to buy these boxes because they are exclusive to the boxes. If people thought Limited Time Offers were bad, they just found something new to complain about.
For as much as people dislike the RNG system they implemented, it will be interesting to see what people think of the box contents. Grinding for the limited edition and super rare mounts/pets/costumes/etc will cost a small fortune and I am sure there will be some level of disgruntled people. RNG needs to be honest and fair, and I think a lot of folks already believe this is not the case.These accursed things are, in every case, just a huge cash vacuum designed to target the desperate and foolish who think they can beat the odds. It is a predatory sales gimmick and should not be encouraged.
I am fine with how people spend their own money in situations like these.Exactly this - it is gambling with RL money without to have a license for it - it might need some investigation by officials if ZOS is introducing this - Second Life had to stop the gamble by such a reason, we might be able to stop that in ESO as well.
The stuff in the Crown Store has no real value. ZOS is getting money, but the player is really getting nothing of real value in return. The player does not even own the stuff, ZOS does. As far as I am concerned, these purchases are little more than donations. I have to think that makes it hard to establish that it is gambling on a level that any government would be interested in.
It does not matter, running a lottery under german law is restricted - those are state-driven or if private, they are just allowed to make an insignificant amount of money with it - if they earn more, it is illegal. Especially because you do not win anything of value - that stuff is all owned by ZOS - that is in the TOS - you do not own anything really, not your account, not those items - so where is the win with it?
You underestimate german officials - that is not like in the USA, it does not matter how small the crime is, crime is crime and will be dealt with.Edited by Lysette on August 20, 2016 2:09PM1 -
Enodoc✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics
I dont think that will hold either. They are making their money from sale of Crowns, not from the sale of the lockboxes.
Well not in germany, there are strict laws and if you run something like that as a private organization, you have to earn very little with it or it will be illegal - if there is a small win or not - the amount of money made with it as a private organization makes it illegal. And I guess ZOS is not introducing this to make just a small amount of money which is insignificant with it - and so it will be illegal on the EU servers - not at first, because they first have to make a significant amount of money with it, but once they made it, the crime is comitted and the servers can be shut down and the hardware taken from them. You just do not mess with german laws, not in germany - there is a reason why the crime rate is extremely low in germany.I just came across thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UcmPeXG7qQ&feature=youtu.be
Matt Firor says towards the end, that there will be "super-special mounts" in those random boxes, EXCLUSIVE for those boxes. So this basically means, if you want those, you would have to gamble - I am pretty certain that this is illegal gambling in germany, if ZOS is not just making insignificant amounts of money with it.
The reason it is not considered gambling is because you always win a prize. It's stupid, I know, but that is how mmo's get around the "gambling" label. You always have something to show for your money spent, so technically you have conducted a business transaction.
That's why I voted "never", because I know it's just a matter of time before exclusive things are added to these boxes. At that point you can no longer just buy what you want.
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Rohamad_Ali✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.People sometimes miss the dynamics behind this decision . Now new exclusive items can be added into a RNG system with very low probability to acquire . After enough time has gone buy and people are naturally frustrating from not getting exclusive item , it becomes available for purchasing direct but at a higher cost because of unnatural inflated demand . Instead of getting the item at a normal ZOS high cost the item is now really high cost . Seen so many people walk away from these games as design time goes into these more then game soon . Sure the stuff isn't needed but it takes away from time worked on the game as cash becomes most important to companies .1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.xilfxlegion wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »I need everyone who keeps saying the gamble boxes are cosmetic only to stop because Matt F says its other crown stuff and a chance for a removed item or super exclusive item.
A lot of the stuff in the crown store now is not purely cosmetic.
Hell buying a motif and then crafting to sale gear is not purely cosmetic, neither are the impacts of those who farm motif to sale them.
Crown consumables aren't cosmetic and neither are exp acrolls, etc.
Don't shout down people's logic about these boxes because their concerns are the same concerns being brought up each time ZOS offers a new crown item that is a utility of some sort.
Does a motif affect armour rating?
Aren't the potions you can get in the CS weaker than ones you can craft?
Same goes for food?
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A motif impacts the economy in a big way. It's one of the highest volume and priced items in the game so giving it away for real money is not good for the game. It's not all about armor and weapon ratings because if you understand how these work in the economy, technically it does touch armor and weapon stats. It offers a player with real money access to create profits and offset costs to get closer to buying other mats that will impact armor and weapons. Notice the drastic and continue rise in prices for certain items.
Potions....
Using real money to buy tri-pots vs allowing those who spent the time to level up their alchemy skills and collect mats negatively impacts the economy. Similar to the above but in this, it removes the desire to buy from others.
Food...
Same as potions. I mean literally I've never bought food from anyone else on console ever....all my food is now purple on all characters of all levels cause when this was introduced and now that it exists, people sale high end food recipes for 500gp.
One day I just bought the ones I wanted and so due to crown food it's killed the value of food recipes that once was in the thousands.
Soul gems.....
Why play content for them if you can just buy grand soul gems upon starting the game day one. Makes the parts of the world barren and meaningless.
Mounts....
There was a time when other than the CE edition, you had to play the game for mounts and the cost was significant. The upgrading was also significant and people needed more than one mount for different circumstances. Now it's real money that again impacts the economy that touches many other things.
Crown items would be like in real life instead of getting a college degree, or a job, starting a business and participating in commerce. To skip all of that and instead of having to do things to get to a point to earn money and spend money, instead buying your way out of all of this. Imagine if every 16-18 year old was qualified to be a CEO, superstar sports athlete, successful business owner right off cause it's given away. That removes the value of those and also hurts the overall economy because you've gone and devalued all systems of progression.
That's what the crown store does and will continue to do.
If there was no crown store and no sub, but instead DLC released every 6-8 months you can still generate revenue but in place of money grabs, people would actually be playing the game and remove the need for something else to do every 60 days as crown store has made most things instant achievable after its put in the store.
A lot of Vanilla ESO items and content literally have no value at this point.
they have sold motifs in the crown store since the game dropped --- imperial. ancient elf, primal, etc.
the crown store food and potions are not as good as the in-game food and potions.
soul gems have been for sale in the crown store since the game came out.
@xilfxlegion
Actually they didn't sale any of these at launch.
Perhaps you're only on console so you can't understand the impact as you've met been apart of a non-crown or real
Money environment. At launch you could pre-order the CE that offered Impreial edition and that was pre order only for a while. I believe a single mount was available months later and that was it as far as real money.
Nothing else existed for a year-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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Bonzodog01✭✭✭✭✭Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmeticsOne of the ways this could go bad is if they move the RNG slider on the boxes.
Trion and a couple of the others did this - When their boxes first hit the game, they had really good, very high chances of dropping the best loot, thus getting lots of people to buy them.
They left it like that for about three months before they turned down the RNG, and ever since the RNG slider has been gradually turned down until a 1-in-10 chance has become a 1-in-100 then a 1-in-1000 and so forth.Xbox One - EU - EP/DCTrying and failing to hold the walls of his Templar house up since 20152 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.
I dont think that will hold either. They are making their money from sale of Crowns, not from the sale of the lockboxes.
Well not in germany, there are strict laws and if you run something like that as a private organization, you have to earn very little with it or it will be illegal - if there is a small win or not - the amount of money made with it as a private organization makes it illegal. And I guess ZOS is not introducing this to make just a small amount of money which is insignificant with it - and so it will be illegal on the EU servers - not at first, because they first have to make a significant amount of money with it, but once they made it, the crime is comitted and the servers can be shut down and the hardware taken from them. You just do not mess with german laws, not in germany - there is a reason why the crime rate is extremely low in germany.I just came across thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UcmPeXG7qQ&feature=youtu.be
Matt Firor says towards the end, that there will be "super-special mounts" in those random boxes, EXCLUSIVE for those boxes. So this basically means, if you want those, you would have to gamble - I am pretty certain that this is illegal gambling in germany, if ZOS is not just making insignificant amounts of money with it.
The reason it is not considered gambling is because you always win a prize. It's stupid, I know, but that is how mmo's get around the "gambling" label. You always have something to show for your money spent, so technically you have conducted a business transaction.
That's why I voted "never", because I know it's just a matter of time before exclusive things are added to these boxes. At that point you can no longer just buy what you want.
Pretty soon after that, new mounts and cosmetics will only ever be offered in gambling boxes. Just watch.
Hm, that is true, they are just selling crowns - Linden Lab did not even do anything actively to make gambling work in their game - those were residents (players) who offered that - nevertheless they had to deal with this issue and were near to be shut down if they would not have acted by a ban - so this is difficult - but it does not cost me any money to bring this to the attention of officials and they have to deal with that by law - it is not as if I would have to spend money to let this get checked. Maybe they cannot stop it, but they can put it on the in index and this means, the game cannot be sold in stores anymore and ads for it will be forbidden - this can happen eventually.Edited by Lysette on August 20, 2016 2:23PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Tl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.2 -
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✭No, don't ever add these into the game.Oh hell no. I ran away from other MMOs and came to ESO because of such things like random boxes. This is one of the worst plagues in the MMO market.
Please ZOS don't even think about this EVER. Not even for cosmetic.
If you wanna gamble go to a Casino.PC/DC/NAserver
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NewbieOKS✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.Tagging ZOS mods ...it is a hot topic now in reddit
@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_KaiSchober @ZOS_GaryA @ZOS_TristanK @ZOS_PeterT @ZOS_JohanaB
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/142023/eso-live-ask-us-anything/p197
https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/4ynwr7/say_no_to_gambling_boxes/
My personal opinion... I don't want ESO to become a gambling game with this RNG premium content
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Agobi✭✭✭✭✭
✭No, don't ever add these into the game.Moneygrabbing cash-sucking boxes are reason 1 to stop playing this game...Wouldn't be the first game I stopped p(l)aying because of cashgrab schemes from devs..
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✭✭✭✭✭Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics
I dont think that will hold either. They are making their money from sale of Crowns, not from the sale of the lockboxes.
Well not in germany, there are strict laws and if you run something like that as a private organization, you have to earn very little with it or it will be illegal - if there is a small win or not - the amount of money made with it as a private organization makes it illegal. And I guess ZOS is not introducing this to make just a small amount of money which is insignificant with it - and so it will be illegal on the EU servers - not at first, because they first have to make a significant amount of money with it, but once they made it, the crime is comitted and the servers can be shut down and the hardware taken from them. You just do not mess with german laws, not in germany - there is a reason why the crime rate is extremely low in germany.I just came across thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UcmPeXG7qQ&feature=youtu.be
Matt Firor says towards the end, that there will be "super-special mounts" in those random boxes, EXCLUSIVE for those boxes. So this basically means, if you want those, you would have to gamble - I am pretty certain that this is illegal gambling in germany, if ZOS is not just making insignificant amounts of money with it.
The reason it is not considered gambling is because you always win a prize. It's stupid, I know, but that is how mmo's get around the "gambling" label. You always have something to show for your money spent, so technically you have conducted a business transaction.
That's why I voted "never", because I know it's just a matter of time before exclusive things are added to these boxes. At that point you can no longer just buy what you want.
Pretty soon after that, new mounts and cosmetics will only ever be offered in gambling boxes. Just watch.
Hm, that is true, they are just selling crowns - Linden Lab did not even do anything actively to make gambling work in their game - those were residents (players) who offered that - nevertheless they had to deal with this issue and were near to be shut down if they would not have acted by a ban - so this is difficult - but it does not cost me any money to bring this to the attention of officials and they have to deal with that by law - it is not as if I would have to spend money to let this get checked.
What you have to remember about SecondLife is that the currency is purchasable with real money and is tradable in game. This does not apply to ESO. Crowns are literally worthless in game and cannot be traded.
This means that SecondLife cannot be used as an example, in the case of ESO and the boxes.2 -
LadyNalcarya✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.I hate this kind of stuff, and honestly think it belongs to f2p games.Dro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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Rohamad_Ali✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.KoshkaMurka wrote: »I hate this kind of stuff, and honestly think it belongs to f2p games.
You don't see what's coming ? This is always prep for F2P . This is how they start transforming . After that switch then they start locking down certain systems in game only available to subscribers . Like being able to use guild features . Getting end game loot in dungeons ect . I suspect this will go F2P , just download soon .2 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.lordrichter wrote: »
I dont think that will hold either. They are making their money from sale of Crowns, not from the sale of the lockboxes.
Well not in germany, there are strict laws and if you run something like that as a private organization, you have to earn very little with it or it will be illegal - if there is a small win or not - the amount of money made with it as a private organization makes it illegal. And I guess ZOS is not introducing this to make just a small amount of money which is insignificant with it - and so it will be illegal on the EU servers - not at first, because they first have to make a significant amount of money with it, but once they made it, the crime is comitted and the servers can be shut down and the hardware taken from them. You just do not mess with german laws, not in germany - there is a reason why the crime rate is extremely low in germany.I just came across thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UcmPeXG7qQ&feature=youtu.be
Matt Firor says towards the end, that there will be "super-special mounts" in those random boxes, EXCLUSIVE for those boxes. So this basically means, if you want those, you would have to gamble - I am pretty certain that this is illegal gambling in germany, if ZOS is not just making insignificant amounts of money with it.
The reason it is not considered gambling is because you always win a prize. It's stupid, I know, but that is how mmo's get around the "gambling" label. You always have something to show for your money spent, so technically you have conducted a business transaction.
That's why I voted "never", because I know it's just a matter of time before exclusive things are added to these boxes. At that point you can no longer just buy what you want.
Pretty soon after that, new mounts and cosmetics will only ever be offered in gambling boxes. Just watch.
Hm, that is true, they are just selling crowns - Linden Lab did not even do anything actively to make gambling work in their game - those were residents (players) who offered that - nevertheless they had to deal with this issue and were near to be shut down if they would not have acted by a ban - so this is difficult - but it does not cost me any money to bring this to the attention of officials and they have to deal with that by law - it is not as if I would have to spend money to let this get checked.
What you have to remember about SecondLife is that the currency is purchasable with real money and is tradable in game. This does not apply to ESO. Crowns are literally worthless in game and cannot be traded.
This means that SecondLife cannot be used as an example, in the case of ESO and the boxes.
Well,all what LL had to do is ban RNG part of games in Second Life - all the games have now a skill-component to them - this prevented LL from requiring a casino license and to have to limit the game access to adults only and make sure those are just adults - which would have been impossible to make sure - so they had to do it like that.
I do not even think, that ZOS had bad intentions with this, but this might hurt them more than it will benefit them - i do not want to support this with my money and so I will spend it somewhere else - I can enjoy ESO for another year eventually, if they do not come up with even more crap like this - and then I will leave for good - ZOS will not see any more money from me if they stick with these boxes.2
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