What do you think of Crown Store Random boxes/Lottery box?

Hallothiel

No, don't ever add these into the game.

@JD2013 and @Buffler

This isn't about denying personal responsibility or being too damn liberal, it's about having an understanding of the addictive personality!

There is no need for these boxes.

If they want more money, better to rotate through old items on a limited time basis.

Buffler

Hallothiel wrote: »

@JD2013 and @Buffler

This isn't about denying personal responsibility or being too damn liberal, it's about having an understanding of the addictive personality!

There is no need for these boxes.

If they want more money, better to rotate through old items on a limited time basis.

If you know you have an addictive personality then i suggest you dont buy that first box

Waseem

No, don't ever add these into the game.

he changes are more like 0.1%

I dont see how they could be that slim when there's only about 17 time-exclusive mounts out there. Realistically, you'd have a 5% chance at getting any specific mounts,unless you've already bought several time-exclusive mounts before (assuming you can't get the same mounts twice)

your math is ALL WRONG.
the mystery chest is not mounts exclusive chest. its a chest that contains crap with a slight chance to receive a mount. you are spreading misinformation.

Iselin

No, don't ever add these into the game.

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Iselin wrote: »

It's called gambling and its something I associate with the money-grubbing dark side of game design that has no problems profiting from people who have impulse control issues.

there are also people who obsess over online games, spending far too much time in them and neglecting the rl things that they would be better doing....

are you going to call for zos to limit in game time to protect those people?

I'll just put you down as someone from the school of simple thought who think that selling anything to anyone is just peachy keen 'cause no one has to buy it.

It's why we consider both heart surgeons and pimps as equally upstanding members of society... oh wait...

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

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Buffler wrote: »

Hallothiel wrote: »

@JD2013 and @Buffler

This isn't about denying personal responsibility or being too damn liberal, it's about having an understanding of the addictive personality!

There is no need for these boxes.

If they want more money, better to rotate through old items on a limited time basis.

If you know you have an addictive personality then i suggest you dont buy that first box

And since when are addicted people able to control their abnormal habit?- This is their very problem, that they cannot do this.

jedtb16_ESO

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Iselin wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Iselin wrote: »

It's called gambling and its something I associate with the money-grubbing dark side of game design that has no problems profiting from people who have impulse control issues.

there are also people who obsess over online games, spending far too much time in them and neglecting the rl things that they would be better doing....

are you going to call for zos to limit in game time to protect those people?

I'll just put you down as someone from the school of simple thought who think that selling anything to anyone is just peachy keen 'cause no one has to buy it.

It's why we consider both heart surgeons and pimps as equally upstanding members of society... oh wait...

how about just answering the question?

leepalmer95

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Honestly if it's just 100% cosmetics, then i don't really care. Why would i? Someone having a pink horse isn't going to effect me.

However if it even comes to the point where you can buy sets/ monster helms etc... in these boxes. That is the point i quit.

Iselin

No, don't ever add these into the game.

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Iselin wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Iselin wrote: »

It's called gambling and its something I associate with the money-grubbing dark side of game design that has no problems profiting from people who have impulse control issues.

there are also people who obsess over online games, spending far too much time in them and neglecting the rl things that they would be better doing....

are you going to call for zos to limit in game time to protect those people?

I'll just put you down as someone from the school of simple thought who think that selling anything to anyone is just peachy keen 'cause no one has to buy it.

It's why we consider both heart surgeons and pimps as equally upstanding members of society... oh wait...

how about just answering the question?

The answer is there.

JD2013

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

Lysette wrote: »

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JD2013 wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Ridiculous, some think the chances to get their stuff will be 10% - if it will be like in Archeage, the changes are more like 0.1% or even lower and you need hundreds of such boxes to have a good chance to get something you actually want - this is selling lottery tickets with a very low chance to win - gambling is by very good reasons restricted by law, because it is dangerous and can ruin existences and families, because addicted people might not stop buying until they and their families will go broke.

There's also something we like to call personal responsibility. People don't see that anymore. I have no need of these boxes and I budget my money for things I get and household expenditure.

I hardly think ZOS wants to ruin families with cosmetic items that mean nothing. It's all getting a little overly dramatic. Until the day a ZOS developer holds a gun against someone's head and tells them to buy something, it all comes down to people taking responsibility for their own purchases.

Well, I have seen that in 2 games, how gambling effects people - it was banned in Second Life, after protests of residents and invoking officials to have a look at providing online gambling without to have a license - and Linden Lab did not even do it by themselves, but just offering a service and letting it happen alone was enough for them to ban it, to not get their game banned by supporting gambling in a passive way without to have a casino license.

I get where you're coming from, but it's not as though they're putting new monster helms or anything of any importance in these boxes. It's cosmetic items to run around in or dress up in, most of which have been in the crown store before.

I swear to goodness that people on these forums like being outraged for the sake of being outraged.

I know people with addictions, yes even to gambling. Believe me when I say that putting mounts in boxes to get is not going to cause ruined families.

And I agree it is gambling. Not debating that either. You take a chance at getting a mount etc. That by very definition is gambling. If ZOS had put important items that help with the game in the boxes, then I would be angry at them. But they haven't and as such, I find the outrage baffling.

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

JD2013 wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

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JD2013 wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Ridiculous, some think the chances to get their stuff will be 10% - if it will be like in Archeage, the changes are more like 0.1% or even lower and you need hundreds of such boxes to have a good chance to get something you actually want - this is selling lottery tickets with a very low chance to win - gambling is by very good reasons restricted by law, because it is dangerous and can ruin existences and families, because addicted people might not stop buying until they and their families will go broke.

There's also something we like to call personal responsibility. People don't see that anymore. I have no need of these boxes and I budget my money for things I get and household expenditure.

I hardly think ZOS wants to ruin families with cosmetic items that mean nothing. It's all getting a little overly dramatic. Until the day a ZOS developer holds a gun against someone's head and tells them to buy something, it all comes down to people taking responsibility for their own purchases.

Well, I have seen that in 2 games, how gambling effects people - it was banned in Second Life, after protests of residents and invoking officials to have a look at providing online gambling without to have a license - and Linden Lab did not even do it by themselves, but just offering a service and letting it happen alone was enough for them to ban it, to not get their game banned by supporting gambling in a passive way without to have a casino license.

I get where you're coming from, but it's not as though they're putting new monster helms or anything of any importance in these boxes. It's cosmetic items to run around in or dress up in, most of which have been in the crown store before.

I swear to goodness that people on these forums like being outraged for the sake of being outraged.

I know people with addictions, yes even to gambling. Believe me when I say that putting mounts in boxes to get is not going to cause ruined families.

And I agree it is gambling. Not debating that either. You take a chance at getting a mount etc. That by very definition is gambling. If ZOS had put important items that help with the game in the boxes, then I would be angry at them. But they haven't and as such, I find the outrage baffling.

Shite like this made me quit Archeage - and I am not willing to spend any more money on ESO if this will go live - I have a year of ESO+ left - I will play this off and be gone then when the time runs out - this is not something I will support - preying on the sick and helpless - this is disgusting.

Enodoc

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Lysette wrote: »

MarkusLiberty wrote: »

I think the best way to do this would be to have two different boxes, one for mounts, and one for costumes. They have a chance at droping a former limited mount/costumes, or one of the very special mounts/costumes mentioned in the video.

he changes are more like 0.1%

I dont see how they could be that slim when there's only about 17 time-exclusive mounts out there. Realistically, you'd have a 5% chance at getting any specific mounts,unless you've already bought several time-exclusive mounts before (assuming you can't get the same mounts twice)

because you might get nothing at all with such a box - it is random - it could be empty as well.

Is that confirmed? Do we know for a fact that they could be empty?

jedtb16_ESO

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Iselin wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Iselin wrote: »

It's called gambling and its something I associate with the money-grubbing dark side of game design that has no problems profiting from people who have impulse control issues.

there are also people who obsess over online games, spending far too much time in them and neglecting the rl things that they would be better doing....

are you going to call for zos to limit in game time to protect those people?

I'll just put you down as someone from the school of simple thought who think that selling anything to anyone is just peachy keen 'cause no one has to buy it.

It's why we consider both heart surgeons and pimps as equally upstanding members of society... oh wait...

how about just answering the question?

Iselin wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Iselin wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Iselin wrote: »

It's called gambling and its something I associate with the money-grubbing dark side of game design that has no problems profiting from people who have impulse control issues.

there are also people who obsess over online games, spending far too much time in them and neglecting the rl things that they would be better doing....

are you going to call for zos to limit in game time to protect those people?

I'll just put you down as someone from the school of simple thought who think that selling anything to anyone is just peachy keen 'cause no one has to buy it.

It's why we consider both heart surgeons and pimps as equally upstanding members of society... oh wait...

how about just answering the question?

The answer is there.

no... all you have done is continue with your line of thinking and ignored the question.

Jar_Ek

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Hate lockboxes - been in lots of games with them and it is bad. It always skews towards p2w over time. Plus I loathe the RNG nature of them with a tiny chance of a decent reward.
Hell I hate the random cyrodiil armour and weapon boxes that you can buy because of the RNG.

MarkusLiberty

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

the mystery chest is not mounts exclusive chest. its a chest that contains crap with a slight chance to receive a mount.

Oh crap, you're right. I didn't see the actual video until now. At least they are cheap, but this is not a good way of getting that one mount you're missing. That is pretty much impossible now

I still dont have anything against them, but I dont see how I can buy them knowing that there's really no chance of getting the mount I want

petraeus1

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

Whatever you think of it, RNG based purchases are inherently anti-consumer, designed to have people spend more money than they would do if they were offered the chance to buy the desirable straight up.

It's a similar trick to false scarcity ('limited time' items, items that have to retire because of 'limited room') and having a cash store currency instead of straight up credit card payment (where you will in 80% of all cases unfortunately have like 300 Crowns left with which you can't do anything until you buy more).

Even for the people who dismiss the potential harmfulness of RNG boxes, you can't deny they're not consumerfriendly. They're a moneypit though, as giants such as DOTA 2 and many MMOs have already discovered. Seems that's ZOS' prime interest here.

JD2013

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

Lysette wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

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JD2013 wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Ridiculous, some think the chances to get their stuff will be 10% - if it will be like in Archeage, the changes are more like 0.1% or even lower and you need hundreds of such boxes to have a good chance to get something you actually want - this is selling lottery tickets with a very low chance to win - gambling is by very good reasons restricted by law, because it is dangerous and can ruin existences and families, because addicted people might not stop buying until they and their families will go broke.

There's also something we like to call personal responsibility. People don't see that anymore. I have no need of these boxes and I budget my money for things I get and household expenditure.

I hardly think ZOS wants to ruin families with cosmetic items that mean nothing. It's all getting a little overly dramatic. Until the day a ZOS developer holds a gun against someone's head and tells them to buy something, it all comes down to people taking responsibility for their own purchases.

Well, I have seen that in 2 games, how gambling effects people - it was banned in Second Life, after protests of residents and invoking officials to have a look at providing online gambling without to have a license - and Linden Lab did not even do it by themselves, but just offering a service and letting it happen alone was enough for them to ban it, to not get their game banned by supporting gambling in a passive way without to have a casino license.

I get where you're coming from, but it's not as though they're putting new monster helms or anything of any importance in these boxes. It's cosmetic items to run around in or dress up in, most of which have been in the crown store before.

I swear to goodness that people on these forums like being outraged for the sake of being outraged.

I know people with addictions, yes even to gambling. Believe me when I say that putting mounts in boxes to get is not going to cause ruined families.

And I agree it is gambling. Not debating that either. You take a chance at getting a mount etc. That by very definition is gambling. If ZOS had put important items that help with the game in the boxes, then I would be angry at them. But they haven't and as such, I find the outrage baffling.

Shite like this made me quit Archeage - and I am not willing to spend any more money on ESO if this will go live - I hae a year of ESO+ left - I will play this off and be gone then when the time runs out - this is not something I will support - preying on the sick and helpless - this is disgusting.

See, it's comments like them that I don't understand. You're assuming that everyone is a helpless victim with no impulse control?

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Enodoc wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

MarkusLiberty wrote: »

I think the best way to do this would be to have two different boxes, one for mounts, and one for costumes. They have a chance at droping a former limited mount/costumes, or one of the very special mounts/costumes mentioned in the video.

he changes are more like 0.1%

I dont see how they could be that slim when there's only about 17 time-exclusive mounts out there. Realistically, you'd have a 5% chance at getting any specific mounts,unless you've already bought several time-exclusive mounts before (assuming you can't get the same mounts twice)

because you might get nothing at all with such a box - it is random - it could be empty as well.

Is that confirmed? Do we know for a fact that they could be empty?

No but that is what "a chance" means, doesn't it?- Think of lotteries, how many tickets let you win nothing at all?

All I am saying is, if it is anything like in Archeage, this is not something what I can support - I cannot even ignore it then, but will have to see what can be done to get this stopped by officials.

ArcVelarian

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Hell no. Just don't even.

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

MarkusLiberty wrote: »

the mystery chest is not mounts exclusive chest. its a chest that contains crap with a slight chance to receive a mount.

Oh crap, you're right. I didn't see the actual video until now. At least they are cheap, but this is not a good way of getting that one mount you're missing. That is pretty much impossible now

I still dont have anything against them, but I dont see how I can buy them knowing that there's really no chance of getting the mount I want

Which video are you referring to?

MarkusLiberty

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

He said you where guaranteed to get a consumable item with a chance of getting a mount, including the expensive Dro M'athra Senche. Sounds like a way worse deal than what I originally thought

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

MarkusLiberty wrote: »

He siad you where guaranteed to get a consumable item with a chance of getting a mount, including the expensive Dro M'athra Senche. Sounds like a way worse deal than what I originally thought

not to talk about that if you have a lot of mounts already, there is a chance, that the mount you eventually get is one of those which you already have - and then that "win" is "no win at all".

Buffler

Lysette wrote: »

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Buffler wrote: »

Hallothiel wrote: »

@JD2013 and @Buffler

This isn't about denying personal responsibility or being too damn liberal, it's about having an understanding of the addictive personality!

There is no need for these boxes.

If they want more money, better to rotate through old items on a limited time basis.

If you know you have an addictive personality then i suggest you dont buy that first box

And since when are addicted people able to control their abnormal habit?- This is their very problem, that they cannot do this.

Then if they are that bad they should lock themselves in a room where there is no temptation todo anything....ever.

Enodoc

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Lysette wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

MarkusLiberty wrote: »

I think the best way to do this would be to have two different boxes, one for mounts, and one for costumes. They have a chance at droping a former limited mount/costumes, or one of the very special mounts/costumes mentioned in the video.

he changes are more like 0.1%

I dont see how they could be that slim when there's only about 17 time-exclusive mounts out there. Realistically, you'd have a 5% chance at getting any specific mounts,unless you've already bought several time-exclusive mounts before (assuming you can't get the same mounts twice)

because you might get nothing at all with such a box - it is random - it could be empty as well.

Is that confirmed? Do we know for a fact that they could be empty?

No but that is what "a chance" means, doesn't it?- Think of lotteries, how many tickets let you win nothing at all?

Hmm, I was thinking it would be a low chance of something useful but a high chance of something incidental (such as a potion), such that the chance of anything at all would be 100%. For example, you will get something, with a 33% chance of it being a stack of 10 potions, a 33% chance of it being a stack of 10 food, and a 33% chance of it being a stack of drinks. Then there's a 5% chance of an extra stack, a 1% chance of a stack of XP scrolls, etc.

Tib

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Lysette wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

MarkusLiberty wrote: »

I think the best way to do this would be to have two different boxes, one for mounts, and one for costumes. They have a chance at droping a former limited mount/costumes, or one of the very special mounts/costumes mentioned in the video.

he changes are more like 0.1%

I dont see how they could be that slim when there's only about 17 time-exclusive mounts out there. Realistically, you'd have a 5% chance at getting any specific mounts,unless you've already bought several time-exclusive mounts before (assuming you can't get the same mounts twice)

because you might get nothing at all with such a box - it is random - it could be empty as well.

Is that confirmed? Do we know for a fact that they could be empty?

No but that is what "a chance" means, doesn't it?- Think of lotteries, how many tickets let you win nothing at all?

All I am saying is, if it is anything like in Archeage, this is not something what I can support - I cannot even ignore it then, but will have to see what can be done to get this stopped by officials.

No, this is not what it means... It's much more likely that there will always be something in the crate, the drop rates depending on the quality/value of items.

MarkusLiberty

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

not to talk about that if you have a lot of mounts already, there is a chance, that the mount you eventually get is one of those which you already have - and then that "win" is "no win at all".

Well, we dont really know if it's going to work like that yet, but that would truly be horrible

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

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Enodoc wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

MarkusLiberty wrote: »

I think the best way to do this would be to have two different boxes, one for mounts, and one for costumes. They have a chance at droping a former limited mount/costumes, or one of the very special mounts/costumes mentioned in the video.

he changes are more like 0.1%

I dont see how they could be that slim when there's only about 17 time-exclusive mounts out there. Realistically, you'd have a 5% chance at getting any specific mounts,unless you've already bought several time-exclusive mounts before (assuming you can't get the same mounts twice)

because you might get nothing at all with such a box - it is random - it could be empty as well.

Is that confirmed? Do we know for a fact that they could be empty?

No but that is what "a chance" means, doesn't it?- Think of lotteries, how many tickets let you win nothing at all?

Hmm, I was thinking it would be a low chance of something useful but a high chance of something incidental (such as a potion), such that the chance of anything at all would be 100%. For example, you will get something, with a 33% chance of it being a stack of 10 potions, a 33% chance of it being a stack of 10 food, and a 33% chance of it being a stack of drinks. Then there's a 5% chance of an extra stack, a 1% chance of a stack of XP scrolls, etc.

It doesn't make it better - the random nature of it is what makes it a gamble and it has to be checked, if this is not violating the law - let it run for a while and then let officials check, what ZOS cashes in on that and if this requires a casino license or not. Second Life did not want to buy a casino license and I guess, ZOS does as well not want to have to do that.

ADarklore

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

Here is what I'm afraid of... they'll introduce some really awesome things like we've seen on PTS but have not been introduced to the game yet... and make them "loot box only" items.

Thevampirenight

No, don't ever add these into the game.

ADarklore wrote: »

Here is what I'm afraid of... they'll introduce some really awesome things like we've seen on PTS but have not been introduced to the game yet... and make them "loot box only" items.

Hopefully they won't do that, they better not do that for the main reason a lot of players would be just upset and come here to whine about it. Hopefully its only retired crownstore items they are adding into this box >.< better hope thats the case.

petraeus1

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

ADarklore wrote: »

Here is what I'm afraid of... they'll introduce some really awesome things like we've seen on PTS but have not been introduced to the game yet... and make them "loot box only" items.

That's what pretty much every other game with RNG boxes does, so count on it. As I said, anti-consumer way of selling products.

Jade1986

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

sebban wrote: »

Random loot boxes for crowns, which esentially is gambling with RL money, is one of the reasons I quit SWTOR. Don't add gambling with RL money to the game, please.

Exactly this - it is gambling with RL money without to have a license for it - it might need some investigation by officials if ZOS is introducing this - Second Life had to stop the gamble by such a reason, we might be able to stop that in ESO as well.

Well I don't think they will make it where it takes a lot of money just to get something. I imagine you would have a good chance at a normal costume that was removed while a rare chance of getting a more expensive costume and costumes like the hero costumes might be very rare to get. Still I rather they do a weekly rotation. Or add them in game but with an extreme gold cost. Basically I think they should do that instead of the gamble box.

Yeah right, considering how insane the prices are for the name changes and what not, you can bet your tushy that it is going to be at least 2500 per box.