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What do you think of Crown Store Random boxes/Lottery box?
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Ghettokid✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics
I understand. And after all I agree what u are saying. Too bad I am not able to change my vote.I will never buy these boxes myself if they will cost over 500 crowns(pretty sure not even if theyre just 200crowns). But I dont mind if some people does. Its funny how everyone are mad about thing that wont affect gameplay. But race change(which is most stupid thing ever added in game and it affects gameplay) is okay for almost everyone. I dont get that.
To me it is not about gameplay at all - it is about introducing gambling into this game with real world money - and that has to be checked by officials once it is implemented if this is not illegal and has to be stopped.
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Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.Thevampirenight wrote: »Thevampirenight wrote: »
Hopefully they won't do that, they better not do that for the main reason a lot of players would be just upset and come here to whine about it. Hopefully its only retired crownstore items they are adding into this box >.< better hope thats the case.Here is what I'm afraid of... they'll introduce some really awesome things like we've seen on PTS but have not been introduced to the game yet... and make them "loot box only" items.
what will you do to counter that? sue them? its their game and their business.
people buy mystery boxes, they add more mystery boxes
people dont buy mystery boxes, this one will be first and last
A simple hint that there is eventually illegal gambling going on to german officials will make them look into it - they have to by law - and the EU servers are under german jurisdiction, not american one.
Yep. And they do not play around here when it comes to that thing.
Indeed, they will not even give a period of grace - but confiscate the hardware and that was it for ZOS in europe then.
Well, it depends on how they do, it. They would have to add the abilty to get all thats in those boxes in game as well, by the items being tradeable between players to make it legal. I believe this is how cryptic bypasses the gambling laws with their lockbox system.
Germany has extremely restrictive laws when it comes to gambling and especially if that is done by a private organization - casinos in germany are state-run and they require that the person who is gambling there can afford to loose money. The rest of Europe has quite restrictive laws in regards to that as well - lotteries are as well state-run in germany - and just small lotteries with minor items to win and where the one offering the tickets is not making a lot of money with those, those are allowed - but anything what rakes in real money with that is most likely illegal in germany - and so the chance is high, that they will be shut down, if they run this and make a lot of money with it - we will have to see how it will turn out - but do not blame officials, when the EU servers will suddenly no longer be available - blame it on ZOS then.Edited by Lysette on August 20, 2016 12:39PM1 -
ADarklore✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gambleAnd people saying there are no P2W items in the crown store, the tri pots say hello. Otherwise you have to spend tons of gold and time getting the ingredients and leveling your skills. With those they just scale to your level.
It is already happening, and will likely get worse in the future if people ACTUALLY accept this kind of thing.
The tri-pots offer a LOT less than what you get from in game, and 'tons of gold', these things sell fairly cheap from Traders. They've said all along than anything in the Crown store will be 'less effective' than what you can find in game... thus it's not P2W because everyone has access to something BETTER than what is offered in the Crown Store. Furthermore, XP scrolls only effect YOU and how quickly you level, it does not effect how well you play the game. Let's not make mountains out of molehills here. In addition, ZOS stated that they've played BDO and didn't like what they've done so ESO will NEVER offer P2W items... you know, the kind of items that directly give you an advantage against other players.
They do give you a direct advantage, do you know how much columbine goes for? They may be less effective, but it is by definition p2w.
In swtor in galactic starfighter you CAN get all the items for star fighter in the Cartel Market in game, but it takes a LONG time ( just like crafting and getting the items ) and until you do, you get smacked down by the people that have said items. Tri potions add a huge advantage over people in lowbie pvp who dont have the crafting skills yet, or the gold to buy the items. Even if they are slightly less effective.
IF people want to buy that stuff, whatever, but stating there are NO p2w items in the crown store is just false.
Adding lottery boxes though is just flat out wrong.
Whose 'definition' yours?!? Because in MY opinion, P2W are items that are exclusively paid for items that cannot be found in-game and that give you a direct advantage against opponents. People using Crown Store pots are at a disadvantage against other players because MOST players use in-game pots.
Also, if a player doesn't have enough gold to buy decent pots by the time they reach level 10, then they are doing something wrong. It's not that they can't get them, it's that they don't WANT TO get them. So their only disadvantage is one they place on themselves.Edited by ADarklore on August 20, 2016 12:41PMCP: 1965 ** ESO+ Gold Road ** ~~ Stamina Arcanist ~~ Magicka Warden ~~ Magicka Templar ~~ ***** Strictly a solo PvE quester *****6 -
Thevampirenight✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.And people saying there are no P2W items in the crown store, the tri pots say hello. Otherwise you have to spend tons of gold and time getting the ingredients and leveling your skills. With those they just scale to your level.
It is already happening, and will likely get worse in the future if people ACTUALLY accept this kind of thing.
The tri-pots offer a LOT less than what you get from in game, and 'tons of gold', these things sell fairly cheap from Traders. They've said all along than anything in the Crown store will be 'less effective' than what you can find in game... thus it's not P2W because everyone has access to something BETTER than what is offered in the Crown Store. Furthermore, XP scrolls only effect YOU and how quickly you level, it does not effect how well you play the game. Let's not make mountains out of molehills here. In addition, ZOS stated that they've played BDO and didn't like what they've done so ESO will NEVER offer P2W items... you know, the kind of items that directly give you an advantage against other players.
They do give you a direct advantage, do you know how much columbine goes for? They may be less effective, but it is by definition p2w.
In swtor in galactic starfighter you CAN get all the items for star fighter in the Cartel Market in game, but it takes a LONG time ( just like crafting and getting the items ) and until you do, you get smacked down by the people that have said items. Tri potions add a huge advantage over people in lowbie pvp who dont have the crafting skills yet, or the gold to buy the items. Even if they are slightly less effective.
IF people want to buy that stuff, whatever, but stating there are NO p2w items in the crown store is just false.
Adding lottery boxes though is just flat out wrong.
Whose 'definition' yours?!? Because in MY opinion, P2W are items that are exclusively paid for items that cannot be found in-game and that give you a direct advantage against opponents. People using Crown Store pots are at a disadvantage against other players because MOST players use in-game pots.
Well that would mean the crownstore items could be considered Pay to lose and not pay to win.PC NA
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Buffler✭✭✭✭✭
✭And people saying there are no P2W items in the crown store, the tri pots say hello. Otherwise you have to spend tons of gold and time getting the ingredients and leveling your skills. With those they just scale to your level.
It is already happening, and will likely get worse in the future if people ACTUALLY accept this kind of thing.
The tri-pots offer a LOT less than what you get from in game, and 'tons of gold', these things sell fairly cheap from Traders. They've said all along than anything in the Crown store will be 'less effective' than what you can find in game... thus it's not P2W because everyone has access to something BETTER than what is offered in the Crown Store. Furthermore, XP scrolls only effect YOU and how quickly you level, it does not effect how well you play the game. Let's not make mountains out of molehills here. In addition, ZOS stated that they've played BDO and didn't like what they've done so ESO will NEVER offer P2W items... you know, the kind of items that directly give you an advantage against other players.
They do give you a direct advantage, do you know how much columbine goes for? They may be less effective, but it is by definition p2w.
In swtor in galactic starfighter you CAN get all the items for star fighter in the Cartel Market in game, but it takes a LONG time ( just like crafting and getting the items ) and until you do, you get smacked down by the people that have said items. Tri potions add a huge advantage over people in lowbie pvp who dont have the crafting skills yet, or the gold to buy the items. Even if they are slightly less effective.
IF people want to buy that stuff, whatever, but stating there are NO p2w items in the crown store is just false.
Adding lottery boxes though is just flat out wrong.
Run around cold harbour for 10mins and you'll have enough columbine etc to make 50 tri pots1 -
NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.NewBlacksmurf wrote: »I need everyone who keeps saying the gamble boxes are cosmetic only to stop because Matt F says its other crown stuff and a chance for a removed item or super exclusive item.
A lot of the stuff in the crown store now is not purely cosmetic.
Hell buying a motif and then crafting to sale gear is not purely cosmetic, neither are the impacts of those who farm motif to sale them.
Crown consumables aren't cosmetic and neither are exp acrolls, etc.
Don't shout down people's logic about these boxes because their concerns are the same concerns being brought up each time ZOS offers a new crown item that is a utility of some sort.
Does a motif affect armour rating?
Aren't the potions you can get in the CS weaker than ones you can craft?
Same goes for food?
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@JD2013
A motif impacts the economy in a big way. It's one of the highest volume and priced items in the game so giving it away for real money is not good for the game. It's not all about armor and weapon ratings because if you understand how these work in the economy, technically it does touch armor and weapon stats. It offers a player with real money access to create profits and offset costs to get closer to buying other mats that will impact armor and weapons. Notice the drastic and continue rise in prices for certain items.
Potions....
Using real money to buy tri-pots vs allowing those who spent the time to level up their alchemy skills and collect mats negatively impacts the economy. Similar to the above but in this, it removes the desire to buy from others.
Food...
Same as potions. I mean literally I've never bought food from anyone else on console ever....all my food is now purple on all characters of all levels cause when this was introduced and now that it exists, people sale high end food recipes for 500gp.
One day I just bought the ones I wanted and so due to crown food it's killed the value of food recipes that once was in the thousands.
Soul gems.....
Why play content for them if you can just buy grand soul gems upon starting the game day one. Makes the parts of the world barren and meaningless.
Mounts....
There was a time when other than the CE edition, you had to play the game for mounts and the cost was significant. The upgrading was also significant and people needed more than one mount for different circumstances. Now it's real money that again impacts the economy that touches many other things.
Crown items would be like in real life instead of getting a college degree, or a job, starting a business and participating in commerce. To skip all of that and instead of having to do things to get to a point to earn money and spend money, instead buying your way out of all of this. Imagine if every 16-18 year old was qualified to be a CEO, superstar sports athlete, successful business owner right off cause it's given away. That removes the value of those and also hurts the overall economy because you've gone and devalued all systems of progression.
That's what the crown store does and will continue to do.
If there was no crown store and no sub, but instead DLC released every 6-8 months you can still generate revenue but in place of money grabs, people would actually be playing the game and remove the need for something else to do every 60 days as crown store has made most things instant achievable after its put in the store.
A lot of Vanilla ESO items and content literally have no value at this point.
Edited by NewBlacksmurf on August 20, 2016 12:44PM-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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ADarklore✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gambleThevampirenight wrote: »Well that would mean the crownstore items could be considered Pay to lose and not pay to win.
That's pretty much it.
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Jade1986✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.And people saying there are no P2W items in the crown store, the tri pots say hello. Otherwise you have to spend tons of gold and time getting the ingredients and leveling your skills. With those they just scale to your level.
It is already happening, and will likely get worse in the future if people ACTUALLY accept this kind of thing.
The tri-pots offer a LOT less than what you get from in game, and 'tons of gold', these things sell fairly cheap from Traders. They've said all along than anything in the Crown store will be 'less effective' than what you can find in game... thus it's not P2W because everyone has access to something BETTER than what is offered in the Crown Store. Furthermore, XP scrolls only effect YOU and how quickly you level, it does not effect how well you play the game. Let's not make mountains out of molehills here. In addition, ZOS stated that they've played BDO and didn't like what they've done so ESO will NEVER offer P2W items... you know, the kind of items that directly give you an advantage against other players.
They do give you a direct advantage, do you know how much columbine goes for? They may be less effective, but it is by definition p2w.
In swtor in galactic starfighter you CAN get all the items for star fighter in the Cartel Market in game, but it takes a LONG time ( just like crafting and getting the items ) and until you do, you get smacked down by the people that have said items. Tri potions add a huge advantage over people in lowbie pvp who dont have the crafting skills yet, or the gold to buy the items. Even if they are slightly less effective.
IF people want to buy that stuff, whatever, but stating there are NO p2w items in the crown store is just false.
Adding lottery boxes though is just flat out wrong.
Whose 'definition' yours?!? Because in MY opinion, P2W are items that are exclusively paid for items that cannot be found in-game and that give you a direct advantage against opponents. People using Crown Store pots are at a disadvantage against other players because MOST players use in-game pots.
They are only at a disadvantage at high level against people that have spent lots of time getting crafting leveled. At low level players who do not use them are at a severe disadvantage.
What you are describing are p2w exclusive items. Even worse.
What are you doing when you buy the tri pots? Paying.
What happens when you come across someone with similar skill, on the same class that doesnt have those items that you bought in the store? You win.
So. It is pay2win.
ANYHOW, back on topic.
RNG lockboxes in the crown store should not be allowed.Edited by Jade1986 on August 20, 2016 12:45PM0 -
ADarklore✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gambleAnd people saying there are no P2W items in the crown store, the tri pots say hello. Otherwise you have to spend tons of gold and time getting the ingredients and leveling your skills. With those they just scale to your level.
It is already happening, and will likely get worse in the future if people ACTUALLY accept this kind of thing.
The tri-pots offer a LOT less than what you get from in game, and 'tons of gold', these things sell fairly cheap from Traders. They've said all along than anything in the Crown store will be 'less effective' than what you can find in game... thus it's not P2W because everyone has access to something BETTER than what is offered in the Crown Store. Furthermore, XP scrolls only effect YOU and how quickly you level, it does not effect how well you play the game. Let's not make mountains out of molehills here. In addition, ZOS stated that they've played BDO and didn't like what they've done so ESO will NEVER offer P2W items... you know, the kind of items that directly give you an advantage against other players.
They do give you a direct advantage, do you know how much columbine goes for? They may be less effective, but it is by definition p2w.
In swtor in galactic starfighter you CAN get all the items for star fighter in the Cartel Market in game, but it takes a LONG time ( just like crafting and getting the items ) and until you do, you get smacked down by the people that have said items. Tri potions add a huge advantage over people in lowbie pvp who dont have the crafting skills yet, or the gold to buy the items. Even if they are slightly less effective.
IF people want to buy that stuff, whatever, but stating there are NO p2w items in the crown store is just false.
Adding lottery boxes though is just flat out wrong.
Whose 'definition' yours?!? Because in MY opinion, P2W are items that are exclusively paid for items that cannot be found in-game and that give you a direct advantage against opponents. People using Crown Store pots are at a disadvantage against other players because MOST players use in-game pots.
They are only at a disadvantage at high level against people that have spent lots of time getting crafting leveled. At low level players who do not use them are at a severe disadvantage.
What you are describing are p2w exclusive items. Even worse.
What are you doing when you buy the tri pots? Paying.
What happens when you come across someone with similar skill, on the same class that doesnt have those items that you bought in the store? You win.
So. It is pay2win.
You're confusing player laziness with P2W. Like I said, if a player cannot achieve enough gold to buy pots by the time they reach level 10, they are doing something wrong.CP: 1965 ** ESO+ Gold Road ** ~~ Stamina Arcanist ~~ Magicka Warden ~~ Magicka Templar ~~ ***** Strictly a solo PvE quester *****3 -
Slurg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gambleDo not like, in general, based on initial information.
The only way this can even remotely be ok in my view is if they:
1. Guarantee there will be items in the box valued at least 400 crowns (cost of box), even if it's just food/pots/Xp scrolls.
2. Publish loot table so people know the odds of getting various items.
3. Add a check to make sure if someone gets a rare item it is not a duplicate of something they already have.
Happy All the Holidays To You and Yours!
Remembering better days of less RNG in all the things.3 -
Thevampirenight✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.Do not like, in general, based on initial information.
The only way this can even remotely be ok in my view is if they:
1. Guarantee there will be items in the box valued at least 400 crowns (cost of box), even if it's just food/pots/Xp scrolls.
2. Publish loot table so people know the odds of getting various items.
3. Add a check to make sure if someone gets a rare item it is not a duplicate of something they already have.
4. Make the rare items tradeable between players PC NA
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ADarklore✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gambleThevampirenight wrote: »Do not like, in general, based on initial information.
The only way this can even remotely be ok in my view is if they:
1. Guarantee there will be items in the box valued at least 400 crowns (cost of box), even if it's just food/pots/Xp scrolls.
2. Publish loot table so people know the odds of getting various items.
3. Add a check to make sure if someone gets a rare item it is not a duplicate of something they already have.
4. Make the rare items tradeable between players
Make them sellable on the Traders! CP: 1965 ** ESO+ Gold Road ** ~~ Stamina Arcanist ~~ Magicka Warden ~~ Magicka Templar ~~ ***** Strictly a solo PvE quester *****2 -
Jade1986✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.And people saying there are no P2W items in the crown store, the tri pots say hello. Otherwise you have to spend tons of gold and time getting the ingredients and leveling your skills. With those they just scale to your level.
It is already happening, and will likely get worse in the future if people ACTUALLY accept this kind of thing.
The tri-pots offer a LOT less than what you get from in game, and 'tons of gold', these things sell fairly cheap from Traders. They've said all along than anything in the Crown store will be 'less effective' than what you can find in game... thus it's not P2W because everyone has access to something BETTER than what is offered in the Crown Store. Furthermore, XP scrolls only effect YOU and how quickly you level, it does not effect how well you play the game. Let's not make mountains out of molehills here. In addition, ZOS stated that they've played BDO and didn't like what they've done so ESO will NEVER offer P2W items... you know, the kind of items that directly give you an advantage against other players.
They do give you a direct advantage, do you know how much columbine goes for? They may be less effective, but it is by definition p2w.
In swtor in galactic starfighter you CAN get all the items for star fighter in the Cartel Market in game, but it takes a LONG time ( just like crafting and getting the items ) and until you do, you get smacked down by the people that have said items. Tri potions add a huge advantage over people in lowbie pvp who dont have the crafting skills yet, or the gold to buy the items. Even if they are slightly less effective.
IF people want to buy that stuff, whatever, but stating there are NO p2w items in the crown store is just false.
Adding lottery boxes though is just flat out wrong.
Whose 'definition' yours?!? Because in MY opinion, P2W are items that are exclusively paid for items that cannot be found in-game and that give you a direct advantage against opponents. People using Crown Store pots are at a disadvantage against other players because MOST players use in-game pots.
They are only at a disadvantage at high level against people that have spent lots of time getting crafting leveled. At low level players who do not use them are at a severe disadvantage.
What you are describing are p2w exclusive items. Even worse.
What are you doing when you buy the tri pots? Paying.
What happens when you come across someone with similar skill, on the same class that doesnt have those items that you bought in the store? You win.
So. It is pay2win.
You're confusing player laziness with P2W. Like I said, if a player cannot achieve enough gold to buy pots by the time they reach level 10, they are doing something wrong.
No normal player is going to have the money to buy tri pots from the guild store at lvl 10, especially not new players.1 -
ADarklore✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gambleAnd people saying there are no P2W items in the crown store, the tri pots say hello. Otherwise you have to spend tons of gold and time getting the ingredients and leveling your skills. With those they just scale to your level.
It is already happening, and will likely get worse in the future if people ACTUALLY accept this kind of thing.
The tri-pots offer a LOT less than what you get from in game, and 'tons of gold', these things sell fairly cheap from Traders. They've said all along than anything in the Crown store will be 'less effective' than what you can find in game... thus it's not P2W because everyone has access to something BETTER than what is offered in the Crown Store. Furthermore, XP scrolls only effect YOU and how quickly you level, it does not effect how well you play the game. Let's not make mountains out of molehills here. In addition, ZOS stated that they've played BDO and didn't like what they've done so ESO will NEVER offer P2W items... you know, the kind of items that directly give you an advantage against other players.
They do give you a direct advantage, do you know how much columbine goes for? They may be less effective, but it is by definition p2w.
In swtor in galactic starfighter you CAN get all the items for star fighter in the Cartel Market in game, but it takes a LONG time ( just like crafting and getting the items ) and until you do, you get smacked down by the people that have said items. Tri potions add a huge advantage over people in lowbie pvp who dont have the crafting skills yet, or the gold to buy the items. Even if they are slightly less effective.
IF people want to buy that stuff, whatever, but stating there are NO p2w items in the crown store is just false.
Adding lottery boxes though is just flat out wrong.
Whose 'definition' yours?!? Because in MY opinion, P2W are items that are exclusively paid for items that cannot be found in-game and that give you a direct advantage against opponents. People using Crown Store pots are at a disadvantage against other players because MOST players use in-game pots.
They are only at a disadvantage at high level against people that have spent lots of time getting crafting leveled. At low level players who do not use them are at a severe disadvantage.
What you are describing are p2w exclusive items. Even worse.
What are you doing when you buy the tri pots? Paying.
What happens when you come across someone with similar skill, on the same class that doesnt have those items that you bought in the store? You win.
So. It is pay2win.
You're confusing player laziness with P2W. Like I said, if a player cannot achieve enough gold to buy pots by the time they reach level 10, they are doing something wrong.
No normal player is going to have the money to buy tri pots from the guild store at lvl 10, especially not new players.
That's complete bull. With what Iron mats are selling for right now, a few trips collection some iron and selling on the trader and they have MORE THAN ENOUGH to cover buying level ten POTS.CP: 1965 ** ESO+ Gold Road ** ~~ Stamina Arcanist ~~ Magicka Warden ~~ Magicka Templar ~~ ***** Strictly a solo PvE quester *****0 -
MarkusLiberty✭✭✭✭✭Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmeticsI really hope they at least make a 2500 or 3000 Crown box with guarantee of getting a mount. I would buy it 20 times if that's what it took to get that one mount I really wanted.*Special Snowflake*0 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.And people saying there are no P2W items in the crown store, the tri pots say hello. Otherwise you have to spend tons of gold and time getting the ingredients and leveling your skills. With those they just scale to your level.
It is already happening, and will likely get worse in the future if people ACTUALLY accept this kind of thing.
The tri-pots offer a LOT less than what you get from in game, and 'tons of gold', these things sell fairly cheap from Traders. They've said all along than anything in the Crown store will be 'less effective' than what you can find in game... thus it's not P2W because everyone has access to something BETTER than what is offered in the Crown Store. Furthermore, XP scrolls only effect YOU and how quickly you level, it does not effect how well you play the game. Let's not make mountains out of molehills here. In addition, ZOS stated that they've played BDO and didn't like what they've done so ESO will NEVER offer P2W items... you know, the kind of items that directly give you an advantage against other players.
They do give you a direct advantage, do you know how much columbine goes for? They may be less effective, but it is by definition p2w.
In swtor in galactic starfighter you CAN get all the items for star fighter in the Cartel Market in game, but it takes a LONG time ( just like crafting and getting the items ) and until you do, you get smacked down by the people that have said items. Tri potions add a huge advantage over people in lowbie pvp who dont have the crafting skills yet, or the gold to buy the items. Even if they are slightly less effective.
IF people want to buy that stuff, whatever, but stating there are NO p2w items in the crown store is just false.
Adding lottery boxes though is just flat out wrong.
Whose 'definition' yours?!? Because in MY opinion, P2W are items that are exclusively paid for items that cannot be found in-game and that give you a direct advantage against opponents. People using Crown Store pots are at a disadvantage against other players because MOST players use in-game pots.
They are only at a disadvantage at high level against people that have spent lots of time getting crafting leveled. At low level players who do not use them are at a severe disadvantage.
What you are describing are p2w exclusive items. Even worse.
What are you doing when you buy the tri pots? Paying.
What happens when you come across someone with similar skill, on the same class that doesnt have those items that you bought in the store? You win.
So. It is pay2win.
You're confusing player laziness with P2W. Like I said, if a player cannot achieve enough gold to buy pots by the time they reach level 10, they are doing something wrong.
No normal player is going to have the money to buy tri pots from the guild store at lvl 10, especially not new players.
That's complete bull. With what Iron mats are selling for right now, a few trips collection some iron and selling on the trader and they have MORE THAN ENOUGH to cover buying level ten POTS.
That's basically true - the average stack price for iron on PC EU is 2400 gold currently IMO, but if sold in smaller quantities it can be up to about double that and in some locations you might even be able to sell the stack for 4800 gold directly.1 -
ADarklore✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gambleAnd people saying there are no P2W items in the crown store, the tri pots say hello. Otherwise you have to spend tons of gold and time getting the ingredients and leveling your skills. With those they just scale to your level.
It is already happening, and will likely get worse in the future if people ACTUALLY accept this kind of thing.
The tri-pots offer a LOT less than what you get from in game, and 'tons of gold', these things sell fairly cheap from Traders. They've said all along than anything in the Crown store will be 'less effective' than what you can find in game... thus it's not P2W because everyone has access to something BETTER than what is offered in the Crown Store. Furthermore, XP scrolls only effect YOU and how quickly you level, it does not effect how well you play the game. Let's not make mountains out of molehills here. In addition, ZOS stated that they've played BDO and didn't like what they've done so ESO will NEVER offer P2W items... you know, the kind of items that directly give you an advantage against other players.
They do give you a direct advantage, do you know how much columbine goes for? They may be less effective, but it is by definition p2w.
In swtor in galactic starfighter you CAN get all the items for star fighter in the Cartel Market in game, but it takes a LONG time ( just like crafting and getting the items ) and until you do, you get smacked down by the people that have said items. Tri potions add a huge advantage over people in lowbie pvp who dont have the crafting skills yet, or the gold to buy the items. Even if they are slightly less effective.
IF people want to buy that stuff, whatever, but stating there are NO p2w items in the crown store is just false.
Adding lottery boxes though is just flat out wrong.
Whose 'definition' yours?!? Because in MY opinion, P2W are items that are exclusively paid for items that cannot be found in-game and that give you a direct advantage against opponents. People using Crown Store pots are at a disadvantage against other players because MOST players use in-game pots.
They are only at a disadvantage at high level against people that have spent lots of time getting crafting leveled. At low level players who do not use them are at a severe disadvantage.
What you are describing are p2w exclusive items. Even worse.
What are you doing when you buy the tri pots? Paying.
What happens when you come across someone with similar skill, on the same class that doesnt have those items that you bought in the store? You win.
So. It is pay2win.
You're confusing player laziness with P2W. Like I said, if a player cannot achieve enough gold to buy pots by the time they reach level 10, they are doing something wrong.
No normal player is going to have the money to buy tri pots from the guild store at lvl 10, especially not new players.
That's complete bull. With what Iron mats are selling for right now, a few trips collection some iron and selling on the trader and they have MORE THAN ENOUGH to cover buying level ten POTS.
That's basically true - the average stack price for iron on PC EU is 2400 gold currently IMO, but if sold in smaller quantities it can be up to about double that and in some locations you might even be able to sell the stack for 4800 gold directly.
This is exactly right. And I was running around looking for pots just yesterday for my new alt, and low level pots are actually very cheap. Even selling loot items to regular merchants will give you enough gold to buy low level pots from Traders.Edited by ADarklore on August 20, 2016 12:53PMCP: 1965 ** ESO+ Gold Road ** ~~ Stamina Arcanist ~~ Magicka Warden ~~ Magicka Templar ~~ ***** Strictly a solo PvE quester *****0 -
Jade1986✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.And people saying there are no P2W items in the crown store, the tri pots say hello. Otherwise you have to spend tons of gold and time getting the ingredients and leveling your skills. With those they just scale to your level.
It is already happening, and will likely get worse in the future if people ACTUALLY accept this kind of thing.
The tri-pots offer a LOT less than what you get from in game, and 'tons of gold', these things sell fairly cheap from Traders. They've said all along than anything in the Crown store will be 'less effective' than what you can find in game... thus it's not P2W because everyone has access to something BETTER than what is offered in the Crown Store. Furthermore, XP scrolls only effect YOU and how quickly you level, it does not effect how well you play the game. Let's not make mountains out of molehills here. In addition, ZOS stated that they've played BDO and didn't like what they've done so ESO will NEVER offer P2W items... you know, the kind of items that directly give you an advantage against other players.
They do give you a direct advantage, do you know how much columbine goes for? They may be less effective, but it is by definition p2w.
In swtor in galactic starfighter you CAN get all the items for star fighter in the Cartel Market in game, but it takes a LONG time ( just like crafting and getting the items ) and until you do, you get smacked down by the people that have said items. Tri potions add a huge advantage over people in lowbie pvp who dont have the crafting skills yet, or the gold to buy the items. Even if they are slightly less effective.
IF people want to buy that stuff, whatever, but stating there are NO p2w items in the crown store is just false.
Adding lottery boxes though is just flat out wrong.
Whose 'definition' yours?!? Because in MY opinion, P2W are items that are exclusively paid for items that cannot be found in-game and that give you a direct advantage against opponents. People using Crown Store pots are at a disadvantage against other players because MOST players use in-game pots.
They are only at a disadvantage at high level against people that have spent lots of time getting crafting leveled. At low level players who do not use them are at a severe disadvantage.
What you are describing are p2w exclusive items. Even worse.
What are you doing when you buy the tri pots? Paying.
What happens when you come across someone with similar skill, on the same class that doesnt have those items that you bought in the store? You win.
So. It is pay2win.
You're confusing player laziness with P2W. Like I said, if a player cannot achieve enough gold to buy pots by the time they reach level 10, they are doing something wrong.
No normal player is going to have the money to buy tri pots from the guild store at lvl 10, especially not new players.
That's complete bull. With what Iron mats are selling for right now, a few trips collection some iron and selling on the trader and they have MORE THAN ENOUGH to cover buying level ten POTS.
It is still pay to win then. Because you have to farm in order to be able to even afford pots. And this is if you can even find lvl 10 tri pots in the stores. It may not be a p2w exclusive, but it is still p2w.
Normal players who dont have much time per day to play are then at a severe disadvantage because of those tri pots.
It isnt game breaking, but it is p2w.Edited by Jade1986 on August 20, 2016 12:54PM0 -
ADarklore✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gambleAnd people saying there are no P2W items in the crown store, the tri pots say hello. Otherwise you have to spend tons of gold and time getting the ingredients and leveling your skills. With those they just scale to your level.
It is already happening, and will likely get worse in the future if people ACTUALLY accept this kind of thing.
The tri-pots offer a LOT less than what you get from in game, and 'tons of gold', these things sell fairly cheap from Traders. They've said all along than anything in the Crown store will be 'less effective' than what you can find in game... thus it's not P2W because everyone has access to something BETTER than what is offered in the Crown Store. Furthermore, XP scrolls only effect YOU and how quickly you level, it does not effect how well you play the game. Let's not make mountains out of molehills here. In addition, ZOS stated that they've played BDO and didn't like what they've done so ESO will NEVER offer P2W items... you know, the kind of items that directly give you an advantage against other players.
They do give you a direct advantage, do you know how much columbine goes for? They may be less effective, but it is by definition p2w.
In swtor in galactic starfighter you CAN get all the items for star fighter in the Cartel Market in game, but it takes a LONG time ( just like crafting and getting the items ) and until you do, you get smacked down by the people that have said items. Tri potions add a huge advantage over people in lowbie pvp who dont have the crafting skills yet, or the gold to buy the items. Even if they are slightly less effective.
IF people want to buy that stuff, whatever, but stating there are NO p2w items in the crown store is just false.
Adding lottery boxes though is just flat out wrong.
Whose 'definition' yours?!? Because in MY opinion, P2W are items that are exclusively paid for items that cannot be found in-game and that give you a direct advantage against opponents. People using Crown Store pots are at a disadvantage against other players because MOST players use in-game pots.
They are only at a disadvantage at high level against people that have spent lots of time getting crafting leveled. At low level players who do not use them are at a severe disadvantage.
What you are describing are p2w exclusive items. Even worse.
What are you doing when you buy the tri pots? Paying.
What happens when you come across someone with similar skill, on the same class that doesnt have those items that you bought in the store? You win.
So. It is pay2win.
You're confusing player laziness with P2W. Like I said, if a player cannot achieve enough gold to buy pots by the time they reach level 10, they are doing something wrong.
No normal player is going to have the money to buy tri pots from the guild store at lvl 10, especially not new players.
That's complete bull. With what Iron mats are selling for right now, a few trips collection some iron and selling on the trader and they have MORE THAN ENOUGH to cover buying level ten POTS.
It is still pay to win then. Because you have to farm in order to be able to even afford pots. And this is if you can even find lvl 10 tri pots in the stores. It may not be a p2w exclusive, but it is still p2w.
Because YOU say so. OK, we get it.CP: 1965 ** ESO+ Gold Road ** ~~ Stamina Arcanist ~~ Magicka Warden ~~ Magicka Templar ~~ ***** Strictly a solo PvE quester *****3 -
Thevampirenight✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.And people saying there are no P2W items in the crown store, the tri pots say hello. Otherwise you have to spend tons of gold and time getting the ingredients and leveling your skills. With those they just scale to your level.
It is already happening, and will likely get worse in the future if people ACTUALLY accept this kind of thing.
The tri-pots offer a LOT less than what you get from in game, and 'tons of gold', these things sell fairly cheap from Traders. They've said all along than anything in the Crown store will be 'less effective' than what you can find in game... thus it's not P2W because everyone has access to something BETTER than what is offered in the Crown Store. Furthermore, XP scrolls only effect YOU and how quickly you level, it does not effect how well you play the game. Let's not make mountains out of molehills here. In addition, ZOS stated that they've played BDO and didn't like what they've done so ESO will NEVER offer P2W items... you know, the kind of items that directly give you an advantage against other players.
They do give you a direct advantage, do you know how much columbine goes for? They may be less effective, but it is by definition p2w.
In swtor in galactic starfighter you CAN get all the items for star fighter in the Cartel Market in game, but it takes a LONG time ( just like crafting and getting the items ) and until you do, you get smacked down by the people that have said items. Tri potions add a huge advantage over people in lowbie pvp who dont have the crafting skills yet, or the gold to buy the items. Even if they are slightly less effective.
IF people want to buy that stuff, whatever, but stating there are NO p2w items in the crown store is just false.
Adding lottery boxes though is just flat out wrong.
Whose 'definition' yours?!? Because in MY opinion, P2W are items that are exclusively paid for items that cannot be found in-game and that give you a direct advantage against opponents. People using Crown Store pots are at a disadvantage against other players because MOST players use in-game pots.
They are only at a disadvantage at high level against people that have spent lots of time getting crafting leveled. At low level players who do not use them are at a severe disadvantage.
What you are describing are p2w exclusive items. Even worse.
What are you doing when you buy the tri pots? Paying.
What happens when you come across someone with similar skill, on the same class that doesnt have those items that you bought in the store? You win.
So. It is pay2win.
You're confusing player laziness with P2W. Like I said, if a player cannot achieve enough gold to buy pots by the time they reach level 10, they are doing something wrong.
No normal player is going to have the money to buy tri pots from the guild store at lvl 10, especially not new players.
That's complete bull. With what Iron mats are selling for right now, a few trips collection some iron and selling on the trader and they have MORE THAN ENOUGH to cover buying level ten POTS.
It is still pay to win then. Because you have to farm in order to be able to even afford pots. And this is if you can even find lvl 10 tri pots in the stores. It may not be a p2w exclusive, but it is still p2w.
All you have to do is quest to get lots of gold. So yeah still pay to lose since in game pots are better.PC NA
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BlackEar✭✭✭✭✭Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmeticsI support it as a revenue stream for ZOS. I do so as long as they are cosmetic or gives potions/scrolls. I do not mind exclusives items either. I won't buy boxes but have no problem with other people doing so even if it contains cosmetic items only available through those boxes.
I believe that players supporting the boxes and not supporting exclusive items are naive. If they implement boxes they will sooner rather than later put exclusive items in it. Even though they might have states otherwise to begin with.Edited by BlackEar on August 20, 2016 1:00PMBjorn Blackbear - Master Angler - Collector - Black Market Mogul - Ebonheart Pact - Exterminatus - EU.
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Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.And people saying there are no P2W items in the crown store, the tri pots say hello. Otherwise you have to spend tons of gold and time getting the ingredients and leveling your skills. With those they just scale to your level.
It is already happening, and will likely get worse in the future if people ACTUALLY accept this kind of thing.
The tri-pots offer a LOT less than what you get from in game, and 'tons of gold', these things sell fairly cheap from Traders. They've said all along than anything in the Crown store will be 'less effective' than what you can find in game... thus it's not P2W because everyone has access to something BETTER than what is offered in the Crown Store. Furthermore, XP scrolls only effect YOU and how quickly you level, it does not effect how well you play the game. Let's not make mountains out of molehills here. In addition, ZOS stated that they've played BDO and didn't like what they've done so ESO will NEVER offer P2W items... you know, the kind of items that directly give you an advantage against other players.
They do give you a direct advantage, do you know how much columbine goes for? They may be less effective, but it is by definition p2w.
In swtor in galactic starfighter you CAN get all the items for star fighter in the Cartel Market in game, but it takes a LONG time ( just like crafting and getting the items ) and until you do, you get smacked down by the people that have said items. Tri potions add a huge advantage over people in lowbie pvp who dont have the crafting skills yet, or the gold to buy the items. Even if they are slightly less effective.
IF people want to buy that stuff, whatever, but stating there are NO p2w items in the crown store is just false.
Adding lottery boxes though is just flat out wrong.
Whose 'definition' yours?!? Because in MY opinion, P2W are items that are exclusively paid for items that cannot be found in-game and that give you a direct advantage against opponents. People using Crown Store pots are at a disadvantage against other players because MOST players use in-game pots.
They are only at a disadvantage at high level against people that have spent lots of time getting crafting leveled. At low level players who do not use them are at a severe disadvantage.
What you are describing are p2w exclusive items. Even worse.
What are you doing when you buy the tri pots? Paying.
What happens when you come across someone with similar skill, on the same class that doesnt have those items that you bought in the store? You win.
So. It is pay2win.
You're confusing player laziness with P2W. Like I said, if a player cannot achieve enough gold to buy pots by the time they reach level 10, they are doing something wrong.
No normal player is going to have the money to buy tri pots from the guild store at lvl 10, especially not new players.
That's complete bull. With what Iron mats are selling for right now, a few trips collection some iron and selling on the trader and they have MORE THAN ENOUGH to cover buying level ten POTS.
It is still pay to win then. Because you have to farm in order to be able to even afford pots. And this is if you can even find lvl 10 tri pots in the stores. It may not be a p2w exclusive, but it is still p2w.
Normal players who dont have much time per day to play are then at a severe disadvantage because of those tri pots.
It isnt game breaking, but it is p2w.
There are different ways to look at pay to win - normally it is not pay to win, if there is a normal method to get to the item as well ingame - and if you farm the ingredients and make a pot ingame from it, it cannot be pay to win, if that is sold in the crown store as well - then it is just convenient to buy it there, but there is no advantage to be gained from it other than not to have to farm for ingredients. Real pay to win would be something, what is exclusive in the crown store and gives an advantage in the game, which cannot be achieved by other means in game as well.2 -
xilfxlegion✭✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »I need everyone who keeps saying the gamble boxes are cosmetic only to stop because Matt F says its other crown stuff and a chance for a removed item or super exclusive item.
A lot of the stuff in the crown store now is not purely cosmetic.
Hell buying a motif and then crafting to sale gear is not purely cosmetic, neither are the impacts of those who farm motif to sale them.
Crown consumables aren't cosmetic and neither are exp acrolls, etc.
Don't shout down people's logic about these boxes because their concerns are the same concerns being brought up each time ZOS offers a new crown item that is a utility of some sort.
Does a motif affect armour rating?
Aren't the potions you can get in the CS weaker than ones you can craft?
Same goes for food?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@JD2013
A motif impacts the economy in a big way. It's one of the highest volume and priced items in the game so giving it away for real money is not good for the game. It's not all about armor and weapon ratings because if you understand how these work in the economy, technically it does touch armor and weapon stats. It offers a player with real money access to create profits and offset costs to get closer to buying other mats that will impact armor and weapons. Notice the drastic and continue rise in prices for certain items.
Potions....
Using real money to buy tri-pots vs allowing those who spent the time to level up their alchemy skills and collect mats negatively impacts the economy. Similar to the above but in this, it removes the desire to buy from others.
Food...
Same as potions. I mean literally I've never bought food from anyone else on console ever....all my food is now purple on all characters of all levels cause when this was introduced and now that it exists, people sale high end food recipes for 500gp.
One day I just bought the ones I wanted and so due to crown food it's killed the value of food recipes that once was in the thousands.
Soul gems.....
Why play content for them if you can just buy grand soul gems upon starting the game day one. Makes the parts of the world barren and meaningless.
Mounts....
There was a time when other than the CE edition, you had to play the game for mounts and the cost was significant. The upgrading was also significant and people needed more than one mount for different circumstances. Now it's real money that again impacts the economy that touches many other things.
Crown items would be like in real life instead of getting a college degree, or a job, starting a business and participating in commerce. To skip all of that and instead of having to do things to get to a point to earn money and spend money, instead buying your way out of all of this. Imagine if every 16-18 year old was qualified to be a CEO, superstar sports athlete, successful business owner right off cause it's given away. That removes the value of those and also hurts the overall economy because you've gone and devalued all systems of progression.
That's what the crown store does and will continue to do.
If there was no crown store and no sub, but instead DLC released every 6-8 months you can still generate revenue but in place of money grabs, people would actually be playing the game and remove the need for something else to do every 60 days as crown store has made most things instant achievable after its put in the store.
A lot of Vanilla ESO items and content literally have no value at this point.
they have sold motifs in the crown store since the game dropped --- imperial. ancient elf, primal, etc.
the crown store food and potions are not as good as the in-game food and potions.
soul gems have been for sale in the crown store since the game came out.
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dsalter✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.Thevampirenight wrote: »Do not like, in general, based on initial information.
The only way this can even remotely be ok in my view is if they:
1. Guarantee there will be items in the box valued at least 400 crowns (cost of box), even if it's just food/pots/Xp scrolls.
2. Publish loot table so people know the odds of getting various items.
3. Add a check to make sure if someone gets a rare item it is not a duplicate of something they already have.
4. Make the rare items tradeable between players
Make them sellable on the Traders!
that would make them P2W cause you can use them as a source of gold without actually having to go and earn it
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ADarklore✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gambleThevampirenight wrote: »Do not like, in general, based on initial information.
The only way this can even remotely be ok in my view is if they:
1. Guarantee there will be items in the box valued at least 400 crowns (cost of box), even if it's just food/pots/Xp scrolls.
2. Publish loot table so people know the odds of getting various items.
3. Add a check to make sure if someone gets a rare item it is not a duplicate of something they already have.
4. Make the rare items tradeable between players
Make them sellable on the Traders!
that would make them P2W cause you can use them as a source of gold without actually having to go and earn it
Well, what's to stop someone from 'selling' them to another player if they're tradeable? Isn't that basically what 'trading' is? I mean, during a trade can't you trade money for an item?CP: 1965 ** ESO+ Gold Road ** ~~ Stamina Arcanist ~~ Magicka Warden ~~ Magicka Templar ~~ ***** Strictly a solo PvE quester *****0 -
k9mouse✭✭✭✭✭
✭No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gambleNewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »I need everyone who keeps saying the gamble boxes are cosmetic only to stop because Matt F says its other crown stuff and a chance for a removed item or super exclusive item.
A lot of the stuff in the crown store now is not purely cosmetic.
Hell buying a motif and then crafting to sale gear is not purely cosmetic, neither are the impacts of those who farm motif to sale them.
Crown consumables aren't cosmetic and neither are exp acrolls, etc.
Don't shout down people's logic about these boxes because their concerns are the same concerns being brought up each time ZOS offers a new crown item that is a utility of some sort.
Does a motif affect armour rating?
Aren't the potions you can get in the CS weaker than ones you can craft?
Same goes for food?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@JD2013
A motif impacts the economy in a big way. It's one of the highest volume and priced items in the game so giving it away for real money is not good for the game. It's not all about armor and weapon ratings because if you understand how these work in the economy, technically it does touch armor and weapon stats. It offers a player with real money access to create profits and offset costs to get closer to buying other mats that will impact armor and weapons. Notice the drastic and continue rise in prices for certain items.
Potions....
Using real money to buy tri-pots vs allowing those who spent the time to level up their alchemy skills and collect mats negatively impacts the economy. Similar to the above but in this, it removes the desire to buy from others.
Food...
Same as potions. I mean literally I've never bought food from anyone else on console ever....all my food is now purple on all characters of all levels cause when this was introduced and now that it exists, people sale high end food recipes for 500gp.
One day I just bought the ones I wanted and so due to crown food it's killed the value of food recipes that once was in the thousands.
Soul gems.....
Why play content for them if you can just buy grand soul gems upon starting the game day one. Makes the parts of the world barren and meaningless.
Mounts....
There was a time when other than the CE edition, you had to play the game for mounts and the cost was significant. The upgrading was also significant and people needed more than one mount for different circumstances. Now it's real money that again impacts the economy that touches many other things.
Crown items would be like in real life instead of getting a college degree, or a job, starting a business and participating in commerce. To skip all of that and instead of having to do things to get to a point to earn money and spend money, instead buying your way out of all of this. Imagine if every 16-18 year old was qualified to be a CEO, superstar sports athlete, successful business owner right off cause it's given away. That removes the value of those and also hurts the overall economy because you've gone and devalued all systems of progression.
That's what the crown store does and will continue to do.
If there was no crown store and no sub, but instead DLC released every 6-8 months you can still generate revenue but in place of money grabs, people would actually be playing the game and remove the need for something else to do every 60 days as crown store has made most things instant achievable after its put in the store.
A lot of Vanilla ESO items and content literally have no value at this point.
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MopeyHat✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.One of the few things that pleases me about the crown store is that it is simplistic. The only gimmicks are sales and limited time items. But if you wanted something, you (usually) get your crown's worth.
Random loot boxes really take away from that. They're cheesy, exploitative and unpleasant. Just an overall complete waste of dev time.Edited by MopeyHat on August 20, 2016 1:10PM2 -
Moloch1514✭✭✭✭✭
✭No, don't ever add these into the game.Thevampirenight wrote: »Do not like, in general, based on initial information.
The only way this can even remotely be ok in my view is if they:
1. Guarantee there will be items in the box valued at least 400 crowns (cost of box), even if it's just food/pots/Xp scrolls.
2. Publish loot table so people know the odds of getting various items.
3. Add a check to make sure if someone gets a rare item it is not a duplicate of something they already have.
4. Make the rare items tradeable between players
Make them sellable on the Traders!
This is the only way to make these somewhat acceptable. If I can sell these mounts or other rare items, because I already have them from prior Crown store purchases, then let me sell them on my guild store. That truly would bring in income from people looking to flip crowns to gold . Of course that's not a great scheme anyways for the game's economy.
This just feels too much like Neverwinter.PC-NA1 -
Lonestryder✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.fluffycannibalb16_ESO wrote: »I'm looking at the rage over the lottery boxes the same way I looked at the Crown Store announcement. Everyone got their panties in a twist screaming "OMFG IT'S GOING P2W THIS IS TERRIBLE ARRRGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!ONE!!!" and then it turned out to be fine.
There's no indication whatso-f***ing-ever that there's going to be anything other than cosmetics in the bags so why is everyone getting so angry over this?
Let's not pretend we don't understand the concept that "cosmetic" items are just as important and sacred as statistic-boosting gear to many players.Edited by Lonestryder on August 20, 2016 1:26PM1 -
Eiagra✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.NO.
NO.
NO.
NO.
NO!
It's a low-down, scummy, psychologically manipulative method of money-grubbing.
If I start seeing lockboxes or their equivalent in the Crown Store, then I will have lost all faith in this game's development/publishing leads.
I fled from Neverwinter for reasons related to their economy (amongst many other things). Do not bring such trash here.██████ █████████ ███████ In verity.10
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