What do you think of Crown Store Random boxes/Lottery box?

Iselin

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Lysette wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

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JD2013 wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Ridiculous, some think the chances to get their stuff will be 10% - if it will be like in Archeage, the changes are more like 0.1% or even lower and you need hundreds of such boxes to have a good chance to get something you actually want - this is selling lottery tickets with a very low chance to win - gambling is by very good reasons restricted by law, because it is dangerous and can ruin existences and families, because addicted people might not stop buying until they and their families will go broke.

There's also something we like to call personal responsibility. People don't see that anymore. I have no need of these boxes and I budget my money for things I get and household expenditure.

I hardly think ZOS wants to ruin families with cosmetic items that mean nothing. It's all getting a little overly dramatic. Until the day a ZOS developer holds a gun against someone's head and tells them to buy something, it all comes down to people taking responsibility for their own purchases.

Well, I have seen that in 2 games, how gambling effects people - it was banned in Second Life, after protests of residents and invoking officials to have a look at providing online gambling without to have a license - and Linden Lab did not even do it by themselves, but just offering a service and letting it happen alone was enough for them to ban it, to not get their game banned by supporting gambling in a passive way without to have a casino license.

I get where you're coming from, but it's not as though they're putting new monster helms or anything of any importance in these boxes. It's cosmetic items to run around in or dress up in, most of which have been in the crown store before.

I swear to goodness that people on these forums like being outraged for the sake of being outraged.

I know people with addictions, yes even to gambling. Believe me when I say that putting mounts in boxes to get is not going to cause ruined families.

And I agree it is gambling. Not debating that either. You take a chance at getting a mount etc. That by very definition is gambling. If ZOS had put important items that help with the game in the boxes, then I would be angry at them. But they haven't and as such, I find the outrage baffling.

Shite like this made me quit Archeage - and I am not willing to spend any more money on ESO if this will go live - I hae a year of ESO+ left - I will play this off and be gone then when the time runs out - this is not something I will support - preying on the sick and helpless - this is disgusting.

I agree with the AA reference. I took a break from ESO and also played that for a bit.

I fully admit that I tend to be judgmental when it comes to how I look at the business models of games and some are outrageously amoral in their monetization schemes (AA is pretty bad but there are worse.) It's a deal breaker for me when I can't respect the way they make their money. It's actually why I play some and not others.

Some things I just detest like the "publisher as gold seller" model when they allow cash shop items to be sold in auction houses for in game gold. EVE, GW2, and recently BDO also has gone that route. I've heard all the rationalizations about why some think that's an OK thing to do but I don't buy them: it's just a type of gold buying that won't get you banned.

Random loot gambling boxes is another one of those triggers for me.

I've been a big defender of ESO's business model and ZOS' integrity against often cynical haters in many other forums like reddit and MMORPG.COM just to name a couple. When I have argued with others about the ESO Crown Store being very benign and not sleazy they have often--when they couldn't think of anything else--said "Just wait. All cash shops start mild and then they get progressively worse." Hope they're not eventually proven right.

I get that the fact that they're talking about cosmetic items only in the gambling boxes makes them easier yo accept for many. And frankly, I don't really care about cosmetics or mounts. I use my exclusive Stripped Senche only because I got bored with my one and only other mount, the white Imperial horse. I really could care less if everyone had one lol.

But introducing gambling boxes in a relatively innocuous way also enables progressively less acceptable use of those boxes once everyone is used to having them.

I've been playing ESO on and off (mostly on) for two and half years and would really hate to see it turn into something I couldn't honestly defend.

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

i don't think they have thought this through well enough - especially when it comes to the EU servers - which are located in a country which does not even have private casinos and were any kind of gamble has very strict requirements and limitations.

Waseem

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Thevampirenight wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Here is what I'm afraid of... they'll introduce some really awesome things like we've seen on PTS but have not been introduced to the game yet... and make them "loot box only" items.

Hopefully they won't do that, they better not do that for the main reason a lot of players would be just upset and come here to whine about it. Hopefully its only retired crownstore items they are adding into this box >.< better hope thats the case.

what will you do to counter that? sue them? its their game and their business.
people buy mystery boxes, they add more mystery boxes
people dont buy mystery boxes, this one will be first and last

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Waseem wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Here is what I'm afraid of... they'll introduce some really awesome things like we've seen on PTS but have not been introduced to the game yet... and make them "loot box only" items.

Hopefully they won't do that, they better not do that for the main reason a lot of players would be just upset and come here to whine about it. Hopefully its only retired crownstore items they are adding into this box >.< better hope thats the case.

what will you do to counter that? sue them? its their game and their business.
people buy mystery boxes, they add more mystery boxes
people dont buy mystery boxes, this one will be first and last

A simple hint that there is eventually illegal gambling going on to german officials will make them look into it - they have to by law - and the EU servers are under german jurisdiction, not american one.

Jade1986

No, don't ever add these into the game.

And people saying there are no P2W items in the crown store, the tri pots say hello. Otherwise you have to spend tons of gold and time getting the ingredients and leveling your skills. With those they just scale to your level.

It is already happening, and will likely get worse in the future if people ACTUALLY accept this kind of thing.

Thornen

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Gamble boxes in ESO...well its official this game is now a f2p korean grinder next step p2w....

Thevampirenight

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Waseem wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Here is what I'm afraid of... they'll introduce some really awesome things like we've seen on PTS but have not been introduced to the game yet... and make them "loot box only" items.

Hopefully they won't do that, they better not do that for the main reason a lot of players would be just upset and come here to whine about it. Hopefully its only retired crownstore items they are adding into this box >.< better hope thats the case.

what will you do to counter that? sue them? its their game and their business.
people buy mystery boxes, they add more mystery boxes
people dont buy mystery boxes, this one will be first and last

I'm not going to counter them, I just feel its a big mistake if they did this. Stuff like this will drive players away a lot of people do not like the lockbox/gamble system. Some do but most don't besides the more people relie on it the greater chance of them pulling something like making it only a gamble box item. Which hopefully does not happen but I would not be surprised if did happen.

k9mouse

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

Abeille wrote: »

I dislike the overall idea, but my biggest problem is the fear that there will be some items that will be exclusive to the boxes, never being available through direct purchase.

Someone on Reddit vented the possibility of new mounts like the Ice Wolf being added solely through the boxes. I can't express how much I would hate that if that happened.

If only for retired Crown Store items, then I don't hate it that much. But even if upon release they only contain retired Crown Store items, for how long will them stay this way? How long until they add exclusives to the boxes?

And how will these even work? If I already have a Crown Store collectible unlocked, is it possible for the boxes to drop it again for me? If not, then does that increase the chance of me getting other collectibles or will I just have more chances of getting junk? Too many questions I'd like to see being answered...

And on top of that, I just really dislike the overall idea of gambling. Already too much RNG in the game.

You are spot on! @Abeille That is why I hate the idea also.

Buffler

Im leaving! How dare ZOS give me a choice to buy a chance to win a cosmetic item....disgusting lol

You should hear some of yourselves, its pathetic!

Khenarthi

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

ZOS will do whatever they like.
I do not see myself buying these boxes though, RNG is not friendly towards me.

Thevampirenight

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Buffler wrote: »

Im leaving! How dare ZOS give me a choice to buy a chance to win a cosmetic item....disgusting lol

You should hear some of yourselves, its pathetic!

Well, its more of a lot of concern, and some folks are upset about this. Which is understandable. No need to judge them over it. But yeah I personally think its going to cause more problems adding this sort of thing, on a note they should rethink but yes I do think that its going to happen, they will make money off it one way or another. But they should for player base that wants name changes lower the costs on name change to at least 500 crowns.

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Buffler wrote: »

Im leaving! How dare ZOS give me a choice to buy a chance to win a cosmetic item....disgusting lol

You should hear some of yourselves, its pathetic!

Your lack of empathy and inside into the psyche of addicted people is really flabbergasting.

Jade1986

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Buffler wrote: »

laced wrote: »

And people saying there are no P2W items in the crown store, the tri pots say hello. Otherwise you have to spend tons of gold and time getting the ingredients and leveling your skills. With those they just scale to your level.

It is already happening, and will likely get worse in the future if people ACTUALLY accept this kind of smurfing smurf.

Thats the single most stupid comment in this thread. Congratulations to you.

p2w means items that influence gameplay.

Potions influence gameplay.

Also, I suggest you re-read the forum rules.

Ghettokid

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

I will never buy these boxes myself if they will cost over 500 crowns(pretty sure not even if theyre just 200crowns). But I dont mind if some people does. Its funny how everyone are mad about thing that wont affect gameplay. But race change(which is most stupid thing ever added in game and it affects gameplay) is okay for almost everyone. I dont get that.

petraeus1

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

Buffler wrote: »

Im leaving! How dare ZOS give me a choice to buy a chance to win a cosmetic item....disgusting lol

You should hear some of yourselves, its pathetic!

Dude. You go to a car dealer. There are 10 cars but only one you like. "Hope today is your lucky day, because that car is only available in the lottery, tickets start at 2000$!" You can't actually go to the competition because there's only one car dealer in town and leaving town means leaving behind everything you've built towards.

You know what would be good? Marketing department of ZOS split in two and each managing their own Crown Store and have them compete! Capitalism hurr durr.

NewBlacksmurf

No, don't ever add these into the game.

I need everyone who keeps saying the gamble boxes are cosmetic only to stop because Matt F says its other crown stuff and a chance for a removed item or super exclusive item.

A lot of the stuff in the crown store now is not purely cosmetic.

Hell buying a motif and then crafting to sale gear is not purely cosmetic, neither are the impacts of those who farm motif to sale them.

Crown consumables aren't cosmetic and neither are exp acrolls, etc.

Don't shout down people's logic about these boxes because their concerns are the same concerns being brought up each time ZOS offers a new crown item that is a utility of some sort.

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Ghettokid wrote: »

I will never buy these boxes myself if they will cost over 500 crowns(pretty sure not even if theyre just 200crowns). But I dont mind if some people does. Its funny how everyone are mad about thing that wont affect gameplay. But race change(which is most stupid thing ever added in game and it affects gameplay) is okay for almost everyone. I dont get that.

To me it is not about gameplay at all - it is about introducing gambling into this game with real world money - and that has to be checked by officials once it is implemented if this is not illegal and has to be stopped.

JD2013

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

I need everyone who keeps saying the gamble boxes are cosmetic only to stop because Matt F says its other crown stuff and a chance for a removed item or super exclusive item.

A lot of the stuff in the crown store now is not purely cosmetic.

Hell buying a motif and then crafting to sale gear is not purely cosmetic, neither are the impacts of those who farm motif to sale them.

Crown consumables aren't cosmetic and neither are exp acrolls, etc.

Don't shout down people's logic about these boxes because their concerns are the same concerns being brought up each time ZOS offers a new crown item that is a utility of some sort.

Does a motif affect armour rating?

Aren't the potions you can get in the CS weaker than ones you can craft?

Same goes for food?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Jade1986

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Lysette wrote: »

Waseem wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Here is what I'm afraid of... they'll introduce some really awesome things like we've seen on PTS but have not been introduced to the game yet... and make them "loot box only" items.

Hopefully they won't do that, they better not do that for the main reason a lot of players would be just upset and come here to whine about it. Hopefully its only retired crownstore items they are adding into this box >.< better hope thats the case.

what will you do to counter that? sue them? its their game and their business.
people buy mystery boxes, they add more mystery boxes
people dont buy mystery boxes, this one will be first and last

A simple hint that there is eventually illegal gambling going on to german officials will make them look into it - they have to by law - and the EU servers are under german jurisdiction, not american one.

Yep. And they do not play around here when it comes to that thing.

elvenmad

No, don't ever add these into the game.

The lockbox, RNG loot box system has been a very well known major part of many games in the past that have slowly but surely gone pay to win, usually by having their keys only available for a monetary transaction, or making the boxes available in events but in a very limited number, but then offering more available via cash cash.

Seen this RNG system in so many games in the past and seen how they start of 'harmless' with their content just being cosmetic items , but then slowly the publishers have removed or drastically lowered the in game availability of items to then include them into the lock box loot tables.

This system is hated in every game it is in, some will argue it is NOT pay to win, which directly is is not, it is in fact worse it is pay for a 'chance' to win, its one and only objective is NOT for the game it is to make money pure and simple.

I have been playing MMORPGS for over 15 years and have seen so many games introduce these RNG boxes and have seen the outcome, One thing I have liked the most with ESO is there is not RNG boxes, if we do get these I will be leaving, no ifs or buts, I have seen these RNG box systems ruin so many games in the past I will not be hanging around to watch people getting sucked into this obvious gambling system

Buffler

laced wrote: »

Buffler wrote: »

laced wrote: »

And people saying there are no P2W items in the crown store, the tri pots say hello. Otherwise you have to spend tons of gold and time getting the ingredients and leveling your skills. With those they just scale to your level.

It is already happening, and will likely get worse in the future if people ACTUALLY accept this kind of smurfing smurf.

Thats the single most stupid comment in this thread. Congratulations to you.

p2w means items that influence gameplay.

Potions influence gameplay.

Also, I suggest you re-read the forum rules.

P2w is something exclusively available to buy!

Tri pots (the better versions of crown store ones) are able to be made with very little effort in game. Ergo its not P2W

WuffyCerulei

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

For those who already have limited time/no longer existing items from the Crown Store, they'll most likely get stuff that they don't have. @ZOS_GinaBruno If this is a good person to recommend this to: Have these loot boxes register items that the player already has so they do not get repeats. Say, if you got the dro-m'athra mount, the loot crate may rng for you. However, the crate would register that and pick another mount you don't have.

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

laced wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Waseem wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Here is what I'm afraid of... they'll introduce some really awesome things like we've seen on PTS but have not been introduced to the game yet... and make them "loot box only" items.

Hopefully they won't do that, they better not do that for the main reason a lot of players would be just upset and come here to whine about it. Hopefully its only retired crownstore items they are adding into this box >.< better hope thats the case.

what will you do to counter that? sue them? its their game and their business.
people buy mystery boxes, they add more mystery boxes
people dont buy mystery boxes, this one will be first and last

A simple hint that there is eventually illegal gambling going on to german officials will make them look into it - they have to by law - and the EU servers are under german jurisdiction, not american one.

Yep. And they do not play around here when it comes to that thing.

Indeed, they will not even give a period of grace - but confiscate the hardware and that was it for ZOS in europe then.

Banana

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Who the hell would want more random $@&amp;#. Theres enough of that already in game

Buffler

Lysette wrote: »

Buffler wrote: »

Im leaving! How dare ZOS give me a choice to buy a chance to win a cosmetic item....disgusting lol

You should hear some of yourselves, its pathetic!

Your lack of empathy and inside into the psyche of addicted people is really flabbergasting.

I dont need empathy as i have experienced addiction first hand. Ive been in rehab due to drugs 3 times in my early 20's. Whose fault was it? MINE! not someone for putting it in front of me! My choice and i own that decision. As i own the decision that has kept me clean for 14 years and that wont change.

Sadly, its people who divert blame away from people like me who do more harm than good, all be it with the best of intentions.

Thevampirenight

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Lysette wrote: »

laced wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Waseem wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Here is what I'm afraid of... they'll introduce some really awesome things like we've seen on PTS but have not been introduced to the game yet... and make them "loot box only" items.

Hopefully they won't do that, they better not do that for the main reason a lot of players would be just upset and come here to whine about it. Hopefully its only retired crownstore items they are adding into this box >.< better hope thats the case.

what will you do to counter that? sue them? its their game and their business.
people buy mystery boxes, they add more mystery boxes
people dont buy mystery boxes, this one will be first and last

A simple hint that there is eventually illegal gambling going on to german officials will make them look into it - they have to by law - and the EU servers are under german jurisdiction, not american one.

Yep. And they do not play around here when it comes to that thing.

Indeed, they will not even give a period of grace - but confiscate the hardware and that was it for ZOS in europe then.

Well, it depends on how they do, it. They would have to add the abilty to get all thats in those boxes in game as well, by the items being tradeable between players to make it legal. I believe this is how cryptic bypasses the gambling laws with their lockbox system.

ADarklore

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

laced wrote: »

And people saying there are no P2W items in the crown store, the tri pots say hello. Otherwise you have to spend tons of gold and time getting the ingredients and leveling your skills. With those they just scale to your level.

It is already happening, and will likely get worse in the future if people ACTUALLY accept this kind of thing.

The tri-pots offer a LOT less than what you get from in game, and 'tons of gold', these things sell fairly cheap from Traders. They've said all along than anything in the Crown store will be 'less effective' than what you can find in game... thus it's not P2W because everyone has access to something BETTER than what is offered in the Crown Store. Furthermore, XP scrolls only effect YOU and how quickly you level, it does not effect how well you play the game. Let's not make mountains out of molehills here. In addition, ZOS stated that they've played BDO and didn't like what they've done so ESO will NEVER offer P2W items... you know, the kind of items that directly give you an advantage against other players.

WuffyCerulei

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

And for thosd concerning the consumables part of the boxes, these may be experience scrolls (like psijic ambrosia or training gear), food, potions/poisons, respec scrolls, etc. That's all stuff you can get in-game or make yourself. It won't drop unique gear or weapons, legitimite BTW stuff. The ESO crown store has never been about buy-to-win. It sells cosmetic stuff and an alternitive way to getting consumables.

xilfxlegion

if it had weapons or armor i would be all for it. i dont really care about cosmetic junk

Jade1986

No, don't ever add these into the game.

ADarklore wrote: »

laced wrote: »

And people saying there are no P2W items in the crown store, the tri pots say hello. Otherwise you have to spend tons of gold and time getting the ingredients and leveling your skills. With those they just scale to your level.

It is already happening, and will likely get worse in the future if people ACTUALLY accept this kind of thing.

The tri-pots offer a LOT less than what you get from in game, and 'tons of gold', these things sell fairly cheap from Traders. They've said all along than anything in the Crown store will be 'less effective' than what you can find in game... thus it's not P2W because everyone has access to something BETTER than what is offered in the Crown Store. Furthermore, XP scrolls only effect YOU and how quickly you level, it does not effect how well you play the game. Let's not make mountains out of molehills here. In addition, ZOS stated that they've played BDO and didn't like what they've done so ESO will NEVER offer P2W items... you know, the kind of items that directly give you an advantage against other players.

They do give you a direct advantage, do you know how much columbine goes for? They may be less effective, but it is by definition p2w.

In swtor in galactic starfighter you CAN get all the items for star fighter in the Cartel Market in game, but it takes a LONG time ( just like crafting and getting the items ) and until you do, you get smacked down by the people that have said items. Tri potions add a huge advantage over people in lowbie pvp who dont have the crafting skills yet, or the gold to buy the items. Even if they are slightly less effective.

IF people want to buy that stuff, whatever, but stating there are NO p2w items in the crown store is just false.

Adding lottery boxes though is just flat out wrong.