What do you think of Crown Store Random boxes/Lottery box?

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

lordrichter wrote: »

aheck1111_ESO wrote: »

I'm in the camp that would gladly pay 2000-4000 Crowns for a cool mount, but am now concerned those will be RNG box exclusive.

It might be.

They have designed the Crown Crates like a game, which is to be expected from a company in an industry that makes games. The whole thing, including the Gems concept, is game play. The Crown Crates are sort of a Carnival game, and the players are trying to win that big stuffed animal.

Hand_Bacon wrote: »

So if I'm understanding this correctly there are two camps that are against this?

1. Slippery slope to P2W and eventual early death of the game.

2. Preys on gambling addicts.

There is a third, and that is just that the Crown Store does not attract new players to the game. No one, or near enough for this conversation, goes to a play game because they have a cool Cash Shop. This means that the insane focus that they placed upon developing this one feature, with the additional Gem currency and the second Cash Shop to handle duplicates, is adding a revenue stream, but does not attract new players to the game.

The_Undefined wrote: »

67% out of 844 people have said no. I really hope ZOS takes note, but I'm afraid all they'll focus on is the 33% that say yes.

Honestly, they only care about the <1% that will say YES! YES! YES! I think that person commented here in the thread a while back, but I might be wrong.

Driving back to my point above, I would prefer they spend the development money attracting a few thousand new players, instead of spending development money making a real-money gambling system for a few dozen players. Even if that results in less overall revenue.

Hand_Bacon wrote: »

How does this differ from those little mystery boxes you can buy in game stores, including those minecraft boxes? Contents are random and cost real money. What about baseball cards, football cards, any card game from Hearthstone to Magic?

Honestly, I think the Crown Crates come from Fallout Shelter. I suspect that Bethesda was stunned to find out how many people purchase Lunchboxes. I mean, on some level, they knew it would happen, but I think that reality blew them out of the water. If they do a fraction of the business with Crown Crates as it sounds like they did with Lunchboxes, the bean counters will be pleased enough to put new gold floor tiles down over the old tarnished ones.

Lysette wrote: »

I do not even have a clue what you mean by card game packs - I am not a gambler - the only card game I play is Qwen in Witcher 3 and not because I would like it, but to make people more likely to give me information and hints.

Magic card packs. You buy them looking for the rare drop, and toss away what you don't need. After a pretty short period of time, everything in the average card pack is something you don't need. If they sell Magic card packs in Germany, then it is unlikely that ZOS will run into any trouble at all.

Yes, if that is tried via the gambling track - but I have 2 other cards which I can play, and those are not related to gambling, but based on a scheme to abuse the weakness of people in order to increase the price of an item signficantly - this is the Wucher paragraph in german BGB §138/2 and §138 is the law about immoral business offers/deals. then it is about hiding the actual price of items with these boxes, this is against the Preisangabenverordnung - hidden prices like this are illegal in Germany.

Takes-No-Prisoner

Lysette wrote: »

Another thing which comes to mind with this is - it overshadowed another new thing, which they promised will not happen - namely PvP activity in the PvE zones - dueling, it will allow players to PvP against each other in PvE zones. This would normally be part of a bigger debate, if we would not have to worry about the RNG boxes - this is again a step in the wrong direction - now we will have open PvP combat in PvE zones and they can annoy us with this, break immersion and hinder role play even more. ZOS just sneaked that in with One Tamriel under cover firing by the RNG box scheme.

But dueling in PvE zones can so easily be abused to bring chaos to the PvE zones, make cities even more annoying to be at and take away from a proper Elder Scrolls role play experience. This is another thing, where ZOS was just not sticking to what they said before. How can we trust them with anything now?

Edit: just to add this, I am not against PvP not even against open world everywhere PvP - but not in a game like ESO, which has another focus than this - open world everywhere PvP is perfect for a game like EVE, I really love this aspect of the game very much, but I do not like PvP in PvE zones in ESO with the same passion in which I support PvP in EVE. This feature does not belong into the Elder Scrolls world.

I disagree with your notion that it would ruin PvE zones. There a good handful of people who want dueling and love it enough that they would keep their dueling non-invasive to other players.

You need to think outside the box here, if you were hanging out in town and two people engaged into a duel in an area where not a lot of PvERs hang out, how is that offensive? You can just role play that off like its another Ryu and Ken relationship these two fellows have. They train and travel together, and duel to keep their fighting prowess in tip top shape.

If it were me Role Playing in PvE land. I would pull up a chair, sit down and watch. Then cheer for the victor when the fight is over. Dueling can be a lot of fun to watch too!

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Another thing which comes to mind with this is - it overshadowed another new thing, which they promised will not happen - namely PvP activity in the PvE zones - dueling, it will allow players to PvP against each other in PvE zones. This would normally be part of a bigger debate, if we would not have to worry about the RNG boxes - this is again a step in the wrong direction - now we will have open PvP combat in PvE zones and they can annoy us with this, break immersion and hinder role play even more. ZOS just sneaked that in with One Tamriel under cover firing by the RNG box scheme.

But dueling in PvE zones can so easily be abused to bring chaos to the PvE zones, make cities even more annoying to be at and take away from a proper Elder Scrolls role play experience. This is another thing, where ZOS was just not sticking to what they said before. How can we trust them with anything now?

Edit: just to add this, I am not against PvP not even against open world everywhere PvP - but not in a game like ESO, which has another focus than this - open world everywhere PvP is perfect for a game like EVE, I really love this aspect of the game very much, but I do not like PvP in PvE zones in ESO with the same passion in which I support PvP in EVE. This feature does not belong into the Elder Scrolls world.

I disagree with your notion that it would ruin PvE zones. There a good handful of people who want dueling and love it enough that they would keep their dueling non-invasive to other players.

You need to think outside the box here, if you were hanging out in town and two people engaged into a duel in an area where not a lot of PvERs hang out, how is that offensive? You can just role play that off like its another Ryu and Ken relationship these two fellows have. They train and travel together, and duel to keep their fighting prowess in tip top shape.

It is my experience from EVE with the dueling feature - it is not that people would use it to train their skills - they can do that legally in their corporation (which are the EVE guilds) - this feature is just causing a lot of people to swarm around trade hubs and try to prey on people, who do not know that there is the "auto-deny dueling request" feature - and it will be a lot like this in ESO as well. It is prone to p*ss off new players early on if it is allowed in cities - in the country side this is ok, but not in hubs.

MAdkat124b14_ESO

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Mercutio wrote: »

After reading most of this thread, can the majority of us agree on this statement:

"Have the lockboxes, but make everything also purchasable in the Crown Store as well."

Would that compromise suit most? For a rare mount you can spend 400 crowns for a random chance to get it, or 4000 in the store for a sure thing.

This would eliminate the gambling aspects yes . A much better way to swallow bad pill . Still a bad pill though .

Why not just make it so the exclusive items in boxes are time limited, then put up the items for a higher price on the shop after new items get added to the box. That way, if you really want something early, you can buy the boxes and possibly get the item for cheaper, or you can wait and get it for a higher price.

Still would rather them not be in the game, but still.

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

MAdkat124b14_ESO wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Mercutio wrote: »

After reading most of this thread, can the majority of us agree on this statement:

"Have the lockboxes, but make everything also purchasable in the Crown Store as well."

Would that compromise suit most? For a rare mount you can spend 400 crowns for a random chance to get it, or 4000 in the store for a sure thing.

This would eliminate the gambling aspects yes . A much better way to swallow bad pill . Still a bad pill though .

Why not just make it so the exclusive items in boxes are time limited, then put up the items for a higher price on the shop after new items get added to the box. That way, if you really want something early, you can buy the boxes and possibly get the item for cheaper, or you can wait and get it for a higher price.

Still would rather them not be in the game, but still.

It is an illusion to "get the item for cheaper", it will be a whole lot more expensive if you do not run out of spare money before you get that item. The less you have invested into the cash shop so far, the less likely you are to get what you want from the boxes - that this is so hard to understand is beside me - these boxes will make you pay a lot more without any guarantee to get what you want. It is a scam scheme to trick you into the illusion of "getting a rare item for cheap", while in fact it is selling you just an illusion and some consumables.

Hand_Bacon

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Lysette wrote: »

Yes, if that is tried via the gambling track - but I have 2 other cards which I can play, and those are not related to gambling, but based on a scheme to abuse the weakness of people in order to increase the price of an item signficantly - this is the Wucher paragraph in german BGB §138/2 and §138 is the law about immoral business offers/deals. then it is about hiding the actual price of items with these boxes, this is against the Preisangabenverordnung - hidden prices like this are illegal in Germany.

This seems a bit wonky in this context. Is the price of alcohol constantly being lowered in Germany due to the insatiable demand by alcoholics?

Lysette wrote: »

It is my experience from EVE with the dueling feature - it is not that people would use it to train their skills - they can do that legally in their corporation (which are the EVE guilds) - this feature is just causing a lot of people to swarm around trade hubs and try to prey on people, who do not know that there is the "auto-deny dueling request" feature - and it will be a lot like this in ESO as well. It is prone to p*ss off new players early on if it is allowed in cities - in the country side this is ok, but not in hubs.

So what you're saying is that an opt-in dueling feature is going to litter the ESO world with victims of predatory duelers?

Rohamad_Ali

No, don't ever add these into the game.

MAdkat124b14_ESO wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Mercutio wrote: »

After reading most of this thread, can the majority of us agree on this statement:

"Have the lockboxes, but make everything also purchasable in the Crown Store as well."

Would that compromise suit most? For a rare mount you can spend 400 crowns for a random chance to get it, or 4000 in the store for a sure thing.

This would eliminate the gambling aspects yes . A much better way to swallow bad pill . Still a bad pill though .

Why not just make it so the exclusive items in boxes are time limited, then put up the items for a higher price on the shop after new items get added to the box. That way, if you really want something early, you can buy the boxes and possibly get the item for cheaper, or you can wait and get it for a higher price.

Still would rather them not be in the game, but still.

I'm fine with that too as long as we eliminate the gamble , I don't care if we having to wait .

Takes-No-Prisoner

Lysette wrote: »

It is my experience from EVE with the dueling feature - it is not that people would use it to train their skills - they can do that legally in their corporation (which are the EVE guilds) - this feature is just causing a lot of people to swarm around trade hubs and try to prey on people, who do not know that there is the "auto-deny dueling request" feature - and it will be a lot like this in ESO as well. It is prone to p*ss off new players early on if it is allowed in cities - in the country side this is ok, but not in hubs.

That is just paranoia speaking. The real people who actually duel seriously would not stoop down to the notion of preying on the weak. They would never get to hone their skills by just ganking upon the weak. I can honestly only see trolls or arrogant players doing this. Those peoples are few and far in between.

If a lowbie starts a fight though-- with a more experienced player. That is his fault if he gets his rear handed to him.

I'm just saying this as a rule of thumb to not single out the entire dueling community for actions they probably won't ever commit. Because these people exist, I have PvPed with them before, and they are very good at what they do and I am very happy they get this feature. I know these folks won't ruin your PvE experience.

ragespell

No, don't ever add these into the game.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Thanks for your thoughts on the upcoming Crown Crates, everyone. Just want to clarify a few points -

First, Crown Crates will be available later this year, and will only include cosmetic or convenience items. You'll find things like potions and other consumables, pets, costumes, and - yes - sometimes even mounts. This will give you a chance to try and obtain previous limited time offers, or even some very unique items as Matt mentioned. It will not include things like armor or weapons.

In the event you get an item that you already own, you can exchange it for a currency called Crown Gems which will allow you to buy a different item of your choice.

Hi @ZOS_GinaBruno.
Can you answer why you need to put cool things inside a box with tiny chances of success, when you can sell the same things on the store?
The obvious anwser according to me, is that you are trying to sell a thing at many times its value. These box don't add absolutely nothing in term of enjoyment. Only predates on some people with certain personality traits.

I know perfectly well you are a business, and ,maybe borderline, these boxes are legal, but they put your game at the same level of many many other cheaper and less elegant mmorpg

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Hand_Bacon wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Yes, if that is tried via the gambling track - but I have 2 other cards which I can play, and those are not related to gambling, but based on a scheme to abuse the weakness of people in order to increase the price of an item signficantly - this is the Wucher paragraph in german BGB §138/2 and §138 is the law about immoral business offers/deals. then it is about hiding the actual price of items with these boxes, this is against the Preisangabenverordnung - hidden prices like this are illegal in Germany.

This seems a bit wonky in this context. Is the price of alcohol constantly being lowered in Germany due to the insatiable demand by alcoholics?

Lysette wrote: »

It is my experience from EVE with the dueling feature - it is not that people would use it to train their skills - they can do that legally in their corporation (which are the EVE guilds) - this feature is just causing a lot of people to swarm around trade hubs and try to prey on people, who do not know that there is the "auto-deny dueling request" feature - and it will be a lot like this in ESO as well. It is prone to p*ss off new players early on if it is allowed in cities - in the country side this is ok, but not in hubs.

So what you're saying is that an opt-in dueling feature is going to litter the ESO world with victims of predatory duelers?

I have said what is to be said about this from my side - interpretation of that is up to you.

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

It is my experience from EVE with the dueling feature - it is not that people would use it to train their skills - they can do that legally in their corporation (which are the EVE guilds) - this feature is just causing a lot of people to swarm around trade hubs and try to prey on people, who do not know that there is the "auto-deny dueling request" feature - and it will be a lot like this in ESO as well. It is prone to p*ss off new players early on if it is allowed in cities - in the country side this is ok, but not in hubs.

That is just paranoia speaking. The real people who actually duel seriously would not stoop down to the notion of preying on the weak. They would never get to hone their skills by just ganking upon the weak. I can honestly only see trolls or arrogant players doing this. Those peoples are few and far in between.

If a lowbie starts a fight though-- with a more experienced player. That is his fault if he gets his rear handed to him.

I'm just saying this as a rule of thumb to not single out the entire dueling community for actions they probably won't ever commit. Because these people exist, I have PvPed with them before, and they are very good at what they do and I am very happy they get this feature. I know these folks won't ruin your PvE experience.

That is why I suggested, let them duel, but not in the cities and around hubs - there is enough space in the country side - just keep it out of towns and other hubs.

Edit: and you think that people would not ruin immersion - they do it already - just have a look at Wayrest wayshrine for example at prime time - annoying AoE spam just for the pure purpose to annoy others and make their experience miserable - I do not trust for a moment into people's ability to be more wise with a PvP duel - it will just be even worse than it is now already.

Cazzy

No, don't ever add these into the game.

I'd be interested to know how many people who said yes will actually buy one.

Rohamad_Ali

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Some good ideas being posted now to deal with this . The limited time exclusive to lockbox then crown store later deal is better then nothing . The idea of keeping exclusive items out of RNG boxes is best idea if we have to have these . Hope @ZOS_MattFiror @ZOS_GinaBruno and @ZOS_JessicaFolsom are reading those posts from @MAdkat124b14_ESO and others like @MissBizz put in her good video .

oxxalejandroxxo

No, don't ever add these into the game.

elvenmad wrote: »

Thing is guys they have obviously been working and developing this RNG loot box system for quite a while. we have just found out about it but the whole fully working system is going onto PTS in a couple of weeks.

I am pretty sure they know from other games it has a potential for huge returns, that to them is what makes it worthwhile, they are a business and the potential for huge returns have more than certainly been the drive behind developing it and investing time into it, they won't use development time on anything unless it has a return.

The uproar from the community as been pretty overwhelming just has it was in all the other games, BUT they still went ahead with implementation anyways for the one main reason the already proven huge revenue returns are just to good pass on.

The introduction of the boxes/crates is only the start the REAL concern is just how far they will go with them, all we can really do is wait and see. I expect the worse, I expect to see in the near future 'one off' special crate events containing the 'chance' necessary game items, special Alloys or wax etc, THIS is when its time to run

Personally from experience I see the worse coming how long it will be, I don't know, but I will be very very surprised if it does not, I'm already looking to move on and ready to run, certainly wont be spending any more more until I see how this plays out.

I don't mind investing into a game I know it helps it keep going, but when you start being pushed into a corner and required to pay to stay competitive, then I'm sorry thats just wrong.

GTA online has all sorts of limited time items too, weapons, outfits, cars and choppers, etc. I knew a lot of players at the PC launch so eager to get console exclusive limited time things they would try to use glitches and mod menus to get them, and some of them get banned and have to buy the game again. If Rockstar wanted to, they could simply make these console exclusive things purchasable only by real money and they would earn tens of millions in days! We all know how popular the game is. However, Rockstar still decided to put them back on shelve at about the original prices for PC players to purchase using in game dollars, when they gradually released their FREE DLCs over the years.

In contrast, Zenimax not only refuses to put the old limited time items back online for us to purchase with real money at the original prices, but also refuses to do it at higher real money prices. Instead, they just have to bring them back in lottery boxes and ask its customers, who either already pay monthly fees or have paid a lot of DLC fees, to spend real money to buy a CHANCE to get these items. Shame.

This might be an acceptable strategy for some hollow, average, outdated, and dying MMO, as a way of desperate money grabbing, but Zenimax has time and time again claimed that ESO is a first tier MMO game that, although had some troubles, but is still bound to succeed and thrive for a very long time and most of us players agree, so far.

LadyNalcarya

No, don't ever add these into the game.

@Cazzy wrote: »

I'd be interested to know how many people who said yes will actually buy one.

Well, judging by posts for many people its not "Yes, Ill be buying them", its just "Yeah, I dont care"

Enodoc

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Cazzy wrote: »

I'd be interested to know how many people who said yes will actually buy one.

Not me, but if others want to, that's up to them.

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

The feeling I have with this is, that it will be increasingly annoying to play this game - housing is coming and I guess that the better furniture will end up in those boxes as exclusive items - when i look into the future (with my imaginary looking glass) I see more and more of these things coming which will just annoy me and make me not want to login at all - I am now on day 4 of not logging in and I do not feel like logging in anytime soon - screw it, really they [Snip] it up again - this is no longer a first tier game, this is just one of the many pretty annoying and cash grabbing games - this is just sad and disgusting.

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MissBizz

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Some good ideas being posted now to deal with this . The limited time exclusive to lockbox then crown store later deal is better then nothing . The idea of keeping exclusive items out of RNG boxes is best idea if we have to have these . Hope ZOS_MattFiror ZOS_GinaBruno and ZOS_JessicaFolsom are reading those posts from MAdkat124b14_ESO and others like MissBizz put in her good video .

Yeah I think putting items up for sale after a chance of them in the grab bag wouldn't be too bad. That was people can still choose to buy an item and make an informed decision on what exactly they are purchasing. Link to my video if anyone was wondering.

Rohamad_Ali

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Cazzy wrote: »

I'd be interested to know how many people who said yes will actually buy one.

In fairness to those who say yes but don't really care , I believe motive is being they just want the game to stay successful and have a long life . Some don't care how they go about this as long as game stays for a long time . Some do care how they market but as long as it's not pay to win they support anything ZOS does to stay in the market .

It does not make them bad people , it does not make them bad players just different point of view . We don't want to form imaginary lines that divide People into Us and Them mentality . We are players wanting what's best for the game .

Cazzy

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Cazzy wrote: »

I'd be interested to know how many people who said yes will actually buy one.

In fairness to those who say yes but don't really care , I believe motive is being they just want the game to stay successful and have a long life . Some don't care how they go about this as long as game stays for a long time . Some do care how they market but as long as it's not pay to win they support anything ZOS does to stay in the market .

It does not make them bad people , it does not make them bad players just different point of view . We don't want to form imaginary lines that divide People into Us and Them mentality . We are players wanting what's best for the game .

Oh I totally agree. It would just prove a point to ZOS that this may do more harm than good. Even people who are OK with the idea may not buy one so is it worth losing subscriptions over? Probably not

luen79rwb17_ESO

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Lysette wrote: »

The feeling I have with this is, that it will be increasingly annoying to play this game - housing is coming and I guess that the better furniture will end up in those boxes as exclusive items - when i look into the future (with my imaginary looking glass) I see more and more of these things coming which will just annoy me and make me not want to login at all - I am now on day 4 of not logging in and I do not feel like logging in anytime soon - screw it, really they [Snip] it up again - this is no longer a first tier game, this is just one of the many pretty annoying and cash grabbing games - this is just sad and disgusting.

I totally agree with this. People saying "oh it's just cosmetics" are missing the whole picture and sadly this is the path of this MMO plague called lockboxes... They'll start adding the best furniture and the best perks behind a gambling system.

Same people will say "oh it's just furniture, oh it's just this and that..." And suddenly you realize that if you want to fully enjoy your game you'll have to resort to gambling.

Hand_Bacon

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

In fairness to those who say yes but don't really care , I believe motive is being they just want the game to stay successful and have a long life . Some don't care how they go about this as long as game stays for a long time . Some do care how they market but as long as it's not pay to win they support anything ZOS does to stay in the market .

It does not make them bad people , it does not make them bad players just different point of view . We don't want to form imaginary lines that divide People into Us and Them mentality . We are players wanting what's best for the game .

I think you meant well by this, but if you were in fairness, you would do so by not giving motive to other's beliefs. Those who don't have a problem with this are not necessarily laissez faire.

I care that the game has a long and healthy life, I also care about how the company goes about its business. I do not, however, see injustice where there is none. We use language too freely, we cheapen words' meanings. I use words like prey, injustice, etc when there is a real need to do so. To cast them about and claim ZoS is irresponsible is itself irresponsible.

For those who are concerned that so and so won't be able to afford the pretty little dress without having to pay x amount more; I say big deal. For those who have a legitimate gambling problem and see this as a future problem or trigger; I say I hope you take care and find help and coping mechanisms, hopefully you have friends and family that will help you, because as you know, the world is full of triggers.

For some, I sometimes think there will be a day when there will not be enough bubble wrap in the world to protect everyone from themselves and all the imaginary boogeymen. Its okay to put on your big boy/girl pants when you go outside to play and hey, look out for your friends so nobody gets hurt.




EDIT: A rogue verb agreement needed fixing.

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

MissBizz wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Some good ideas being posted now to deal with this . The limited time exclusive to lockbox then crown store later deal is better then nothing . The idea of keeping exclusive items out of RNG boxes is best idea if we have to have these . Hope ZOS_MattFiror ZOS_GinaBruno and ZOS_JessicaFolsom are reading those posts from MAdkat124b14_ESO and others like MissBizz put in her good video .

Yeah I think putting items up for sale after a chance of them in the grab bag wouldn't be too bad. That was people can still choose to buy an item and make an informed decision on what exactly they are purchasing. Link to my video if anyone was wondering.

Nice video and I quite like your real life personality as well - I agree to pretty much all you said in the video - especially on the spending part, I am a lot like you - I buy stuff I like, if I consider it worth it, but I want to know what I buy and not gamble for it. But in addition to what you said, I do not want gambling at all in this game - this will just lead to ZOS focussing on developing items for the RNG boxes instead to focus on developing the actual game - but otherwise I agree with your video statements.

It is so frustrating - the awesomeness of One Tamriel, the redesign of Craglorn and such, all good features which would make me be such a happy subscriber - if it would not be about those boxes - they really ruin this game for me and I am so disappointed, that ZOS is going down this route. I might not even be interested to buy a TES game ever again, to not be reminded of this - it would just ruin my mood.

anitajoneb17_ESO

No, don't ever add these into the game.

ZOS never said there wouldn't be any PvP activities in PvE zones. What they said was that they had given up on the implementation of the PvP part of the justice system, because it would open up too many holes for griefers which they couldn't counter.

They said nothing beyond that.

Hand_Bacon

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Lysette wrote: »

- this will just lead to ZOS focussing on developing items for the RNG boxes instead to focus on developing the actual game -

People have mentioned this in general about the crown store items since it began. "Glad they spent time reskinning x instead of fixing y". The only difference is the vehicle of delivery.

elvenmad

No, don't ever add these into the game.

luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

The feeling I have with this is, that it will be increasingly annoying to play this game - housing is coming and I guess that the better furniture will end up in those boxes as exclusive items - when i look into the future (with my imaginary looking glass) I see more and more of these things coming which will just annoy me and make me not want to login at all - I am now on day 4 of not logging in and I do not feel like logging in anytime soon - screw it, really they [snip] it up again - this is no longer a first tier game, this is just one of the many pretty annoying and cash grabbing games - this is just sad and disgusting.

I totally agree with this. People saying "oh it's just cosmetics" are missing the whole picture and sadly this is the path of this MMO plague called lockboxes... They'll start adding the best furniture and the best perks behind a gambling system.

Same people will say "oh it's just furniture, oh it's just this and that..." And suddenly you realize that if you want to fully enjoy your game you'll have to resort to gambling.

Exactly...... they spent a lot of time developing this system and most certainly what we have been told is only the beginning, it is the starting point, they don't implement something so big and controversial without (probably already done) plans to develop it further, THIS is only the 'seed' what it will grow into is what the big concern is about.

This very same 'seed' has already been planted in many other games and we all know exactly what it grows into.

Rohamad_Ali

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Hand_Bacon wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

In fairness to those who say yes but don't really care , I believe motive is being they just want the game to stay successful and have a long life . Some don't care how they go about this as long as game stays for a long time . Some do care how they market but as long as it's not pay to win they support anything ZOS does to stay in the market .

It does not make them bad people , it does not make them bad players just different point of view . We don't want to form imaginary lines that divide People into Us and Them mentality . We are players wanting what's best for the game .

I think you meant well by this, but if you were in fairness, you would do so by not giving motive to other's beliefs. Those who don't have a problem with this are not necessarily laissez faire.

I care that the game has a long and healthy life, I also care about how the company goes about its business. I do not, however, see injustice where there is none. We use language too freely, we cheapen words' meanings. I use words like prey, injustice, etc when there is a real need to do so. To cast them about and claim ZoS is irresponsible is itself irresponsible.

For those who are concerned that so and so won't be able to afford the pretty little dress without having to pay x amount more; I say big deal. For those who have a legitimate gambling problem and see this as a future problem or trigger; I say I hope you take care and find help and coping mechanisms, hopefully you have friends and family that will help you, because as you know, the world is full of triggers.

For some, I sometimes think there will be a day when there will not be enough bubble wrap in the world to protect everyone from themselves and all the imaginary boogeymen. Its okay to put on your big boy/girl pants when you go outside to play and hey, look out for your friends so nobody gets hurt.




EDIT: A rogue verb agreement needed fixing.

Trust me I live in inner city Los Angelos , been to real war and have to fight to keep family safe all the time when I came back . I don't need bubble wrap world analogy when simply describing something I believe is bad deal . If salesman gives me bad deal in real world it's he who will be wishing some bubble wrap was around his nose then . I invite anyone who thinks I need bubble wrap to hotdog picknick on Cypress Hill park . We'll see who stays for Jell-O shots later ...

Zorgon_The_Revenged

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

But there is a 0.1% chance I would ever bother buying one.

Hand_Bacon

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

I didn't put you in any of those categories, did you put yourself in one and then feel threatened for doing so?

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Hand_Bacon wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

- this will just lead to ZOS focussing on developing items for the RNG boxes instead to focus on developing the actual game -

People have mentioned this in general about the crown store items since it began. "Glad they spent time reskinning x instead of fixing y". The only difference is the vehicle of delivery.

those boxes have the potential to be by far better to gain revenue than just plain selling the actual items at a fixed price - this is so successful moneywise, that they will shift resources to this, because it generates a multitude of revenue in comparison to spending those resources on developing other content - this is so tempting for them - it will eventually lead to what I said.