What do you think of Crown Store Random boxes/Lottery box?

MissBizz · August 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Lysette wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Some good ideas being posted now to deal with this . The limited time exclusive to lockbox then crown store later deal is better then nothing . The idea of keeping exclusive items out of RNG boxes is best idea if we have to have these . Hope ZOS_MattFiror ZOS_GinaBruno and ZOS_JessicaFolsom are reading those posts from MAdkat124b14_ESO and others like MissBizz put in her good video .

Yeah I think putting items up for sale after a chance of them in the grab bag wouldn't be too bad. That was people can still choose to buy an item and make an informed decision on what exactly they are purchasing. Link to my video if anyone was wondering.

Nice video and I quite like your real life personality as well - I agree to pretty much all you said in the video - especially on the spending part, I am a lot like you - I buy stuff I like, if I consider it worth it, but I want to know what I buy and not gamble for it. But in addition to what you said, I do not want gambling at all in this game - this will just lead to ZOS focussing on developing items for the RNG boxes instead to focus on developing the actual game - but otherwise I agree with your video statements.

It is so frustrating - the awesomeness of One Tamriel, the redesign of Craglorn and such, all good features which would make me be such a happy subscriber - if it would not be about those boxes - they really ruin this game for me and I am so disappointed, that ZOS is going down this route. I might not even be interested to buy a TES game ever again, to not be reminded of this - it would just ruin my mood.

It is frustrating. I was/am very excited for what One Tamriel can do for the PvE community, even though I don't PvP I really think it's great they are offering people an option to duel where others cannot interfere, and a ton of other changes we have coming.

I don't like the lottery boxes at all either. At all. I guess I'm just a bit of a pushover and really believe this has likely been in the pipeline for a long time, and it's too late to stop it. As far as we know, there is no monetized update coming in Q4, so this appears to be their main monetization route for the quarter. At this point I'm just grasping at straws hoping that they will make these RNG boxes more sensible than what appears to be their current plan. (I say appears because unfortunately there are still a lot of unknowns about these boxes)

Rohamad_Ali · August 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Hand_Bacon wrote: »

I didn't put you in any of those categories, did you put yourself in one and then feel threatened for doing so?

Well you kind of did lol . I do have concerns for my friends with gambling issues and friends having troubles with spending and being brave for admitting addiction . That is very hard to do publicly and these people are needing support too . I have relatives that went through painful addiction , it really hits home in my heart for these people . Maybe that makes me bubble wrap boy but I don't care , I will always stick up for friends that need hand up to stay away from bad things .

Nestor · August 2016

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

I might buy one of these just to see what I would get. However, after experiencing the lockboxes in the game we get for armors (like the ones you can buy from NPC Merchants) and not getting what I needed due to RNG, I can't see me being a customer of lockboxes purchased with my own money.

Simple reason, I like to know what I am buying before I buy it.

Hand_Bacon · August 2016

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Well you kind of did lol .

Well that was not my intention, apologies for not being clear. The bubble wrap people are those who unlike you can't be bothered to look out for people, they'd rather make everything completely and impossibly safe (bubblewrap).

Lysette · August 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

MissBizz wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Some good ideas being posted now to deal with this . The limited time exclusive to lockbox then crown store later deal is better then nothing . The idea of keeping exclusive items out of RNG boxes is best idea if we have to have these . Hope ZOS_MattFiror ZOS_GinaBruno and ZOS_JessicaFolsom are reading those posts from MAdkat124b14_ESO and others like MissBizz put in her good video .

Yeah I think putting items up for sale after a chance of them in the grab bag wouldn't be too bad. That was people can still choose to buy an item and make an informed decision on what exactly they are purchasing. Link to my video if anyone was wondering.

Nice video and I quite like your real life personality as well - I agree to pretty much all you said in the video - especially on the spending part, I am a lot like you - I buy stuff I like, if I consider it worth it, but I want to know what I buy and not gamble for it. But in addition to what you said, I do not want gambling at all in this game - this will just lead to ZOS focussing on developing items for the RNG boxes instead to focus on developing the actual game - but otherwise I agree with your video statements.

It is so frustrating - the awesomeness of One Tamriel, the redesign of Craglorn and such, all good features which would make me be such a happy subscriber - if it would not be about those boxes - they really ruin this game for me and I am so disappointed, that ZOS is going down this route. I might not even be interested to buy a TES game ever again, to not be reminded of this - it would just ruin my mood.

It is frustrating. I was/am very excited for what One Tamriel can do for the PvE community, even though I don't PvP I really think it's great they are offering people an option to duel where others cannot interfere, and a ton of other changes we have coming.

I don't like the lottery boxes at all either. At all. I guess I'm just a bit of a pushover and really believe this has likely been in the pipeline for a long time, and it's too late to stop it. As far as we know, there is no monetized update coming in Q4, so this appears to be their main monetization route for the quarter. At this point I'm just grasping at straws hoping that they will make these RNG boxes more sensible than what appears to be their current plan. (I say appears because unfortunately there are still a lot of unknowns about these boxes)

I would not be against it, if it would be like a "mount box" - which costs 2000 crowns - and has a guarantee that you will get a mount and each of those mounts have equal chance - it could be one which is just worth 1300 crowns or one that is worth 4500 crowns. And it is guaranteed, that you will get a mount, which you do not have already in your collection. This would limit the amount you can spend on these boxes - because if there are for example 30 mounts and you have 10 of them already, you would get all the rest with at most 20 boxes - then you would have all and could not buy another box anymore. This would be much more fair - but of course this does no longer allow for such a huge increase in revenue like what they have in mind.

Rohamad_Ali · August 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Hand_Bacon wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Well you kind of did lol .

Well that was not my intention, apologies for not being clear. The bubble wrap people are those who unlike you can't be bothered to look out for people, they'd rather make everything completely and impossibly safe (bubblewrap).

I understand that too an apologies for getting offended my friend . I understand not everything can be protected in business making profit but would just like to see efforts made to avoid as many problems as possible . Again sorry for misunderstanding .

elvenmad · August 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Nestor wrote: »

I might buy one of these just to see what I would get. However, after experiencing the lockboxes in the game we get for armors (like the ones you can buy from NPC Merchants) and not getting what I needed due to RNG, I can't see me being a customer of lockboxes purchased with my own money.

Simple reason, I like to know what I am buying before I buy it.

You actually have a legal right to know exactly what you are paying your money for, the 'grey' area with these RNG box systems is your not directly paying cash for them. that is one of the main things people dont understand.

If you directly paid cash for them you would be covered by consumer rights laws and they would also have to be covered by gambling laws and licences.

Lysette · August 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

elvenmad wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

I might buy one of these just to see what I would get. However, after experiencing the lockboxes in the game we get for armors (like the ones you can buy from NPC Merchants) and not getting what I needed due to RNG, I can't see me being a customer of lockboxes purchased with my own money.

Simple reason, I like to know what I am buying before I buy it.

You actually have a legal right to know exactly what you are paying your money for, the 'grey' area with these RNG box systems is your not directly paying cash for them. that is one of the main things people dont understand.

If you directly paid cash for them you would be covered by consumer rights laws and they would also have to be covered by gambling laws and licences.

Yes, but this is just as long like this as people do not protest about this and get vocal about the issue - this can be changed to the better and we can weed out these abusive practices. But it will not happen, if we just take it like it is and take for granted, that it cannot be changed - it can, like so many other things in history, which I cannot name, because then my post will again be removed for bringing real life politics into the debate - like it happened to me in this thread already.

elvenmad · August 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Lysette wrote: »

elvenmad wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

I might buy one of these just to see what I would get. However, after experiencing the lockboxes in the game we get for armors (like the ones you can buy from NPC Merchants) and not getting what I needed due to RNG, I can't see me being a customer of lockboxes purchased with my own money.

Simple reason, I like to know what I am buying before I buy it.

You actually have a legal right to know exactly what you are paying your money for, the 'grey' area with these RNG box systems is your not directly paying cash for them. that is one of the main things people dont understand.

If you directly paid cash for them you would be covered by consumer rights laws and they would also have to be covered by gambling laws and licences.

Yes, but this is just as long like this as people do not protest about this and get vocal about the issue - this can be changed to the better and we can weed out these abusive practices. But it will not happen, if we just take it like it is and take for granted, that it cannot be changed - it can, like so many other things in history, which I cannot name, because then my post will again be removed for bringing real life politics into the debate - like it happened to me in this thread already.

Yes I agree, but to first correct a wrong you first need to know about it, and in all honesty the majority of the world is very naive about just how big and how much multi billions of revenue online games generate. Most of the world still think games are games, harmless fun.

They are slowly but surely waking up, there have been many new laws, state and national in the US alone over the past 10 years concerning gaming and virtual goods sales, fraud, the previous famous Sony Entertainment fiasco a number of years ago for example. some countries, not many though have pretty strict laws concerning these shady practises , but the gaming companies just IP ban them. and then there are the others were the gaming industry is just so big of a monster they get away with doing what ever they want because no one else is big enough to fight them.

Hand_Bacon · August 2016

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

elvenmad wrote: »

You actually have a legal right to know exactly what you are paying your money for, the 'grey' area with these RNG box systems is your not directly paying cash for them. that is one of the main things people dont understand.

If you directly paid cash for them you would be covered by consumer rights laws and they would also have to be covered by gambling laws and licences.

Are you sure? Even if you directly paid cash for them. Look at the previously mentioned card game packs, the physical ones, nobody knows what they are going to get for sure. That has been the case before with things like baseball cards and the like. I think there is a long history of this being played out legally.

The legal problem would be if they promised there was a certain prize of a certain value in at least one of the boxes, giving the chance, but not actually giving that chance. That is not the case here.

elvenmad · August 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Hand_Bacon wrote: »

elvenmad wrote: »

You actually have a legal right to know exactly what you are paying your money for, the 'grey' area with these RNG box systems is your not directly paying cash for them. that is one of the main things people dont understand.

If you directly paid cash for them you would be covered by consumer rights laws and they would also have to be covered by gambling laws and licences.

Are you sure? Even if you directly paid cash for them. Look at the previously mentioned card game packs, the physical ones, nobody knows what they are going to get for sure. That has been the case before with things like baseball cards and the like. I think there is a long history of this being played out legally.

The legal problem would be if they promised there was a certain prize of a certain value in at least one of the boxes, giving the chance, but not actually giving that chance. That is not the case here.

Not exactly you pay for a pack of x amount of cards, you receive x amount of cards, contract complete... law ends.
Pretty sure if you read any small print in the sales advert or order it will say this clearly it will not say anything concerning a 'chance' of something specific.

This reminds me of a scam years ago, were it was clearly advertised an item to make you grow 2 inches, and what you received was 2 blocks of 2 inch wood and 2 rubber bands that you put on your feet !! all legal, it did do what it claimed.

Another one 100 cigarette lighters for x amount, what you received was 2 boxes of match's

Always read very carefully what exactly you are paying for

Hand_Bacon · August 2016

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

elvenmad wrote: »

Not exactly you pay for a pack of x amount of cards, you receive x amount of cards, contract complete... law ends.

I think that's where people are getting tripped up a little. You aren't purchasing a chance of loot, you are purchasing loot. Just like the cards, you don't know what loot is inside, but there is loot. Contract still complete regardless of what the buyer is hoping to get out of the crate.

biankha · August 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

How about just not retiring items so quickly? Giving people time to actually buy the things instead of making them available for only 2 weeks or a month... I think you'd get a lot more sales...

*** Or just offering expired items once every 6 months or so on sale.... OR have them at a sale price for the first month or two weeks, whatever... and them leave them in the store at full price for at least a year... After that... let them die away.... As a long time player I like having mounts and pets that aren't available anymore as a "bragging point" of how long I've been playing ***

Rohamad_Ali · August 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

I dislike lawyers and laws used to make things better in this situation . At least here in USA it usually ends up making things worse and we end up paying more in the end for trials and those attorneys that end up with all the money in the end . Things get shut down because of this . I prefer companies take bigger people approach and make positive changes themselves for their customers . This builds consumer confidence and makes companies great in people's eyes . I am hoping ZOS listening and making some positive changes to this announcement like no exclusive items or limited time till crown store , so no betting if you don't want too . I'd be most happy if loot boxes just stayed away from Our fair game so far , but if not a better system would be more welcome .

Mx13 · August 2016

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

elvenmad wrote: »

Hand_Bacon wrote: »

elvenmad wrote: »

You actually have a legal right to know exactly what you are paying your money for, the 'grey' area with these RNG box systems is your not directly paying cash for them. that is one of the main things people dont understand.

If you directly paid cash for them you would be covered by consumer rights laws and they would also have to be covered by gambling laws and licences.

Are you sure? Even if you directly paid cash for them. Look at the previously mentioned card game packs, the physical ones, nobody knows what they are going to get for sure. That has been the case before with things like baseball cards and the like. I think there is a long history of this being played out legally.

The legal problem would be if they promised there was a certain prize of a certain value in at least one of the boxes, giving the chance, but not actually giving that chance. That is not the case here.

Not exactly you pay for a pack of x amount of cards, you receive x amount of cards, contract complete... law ends.

How is that different?

You pay for a box with a random item, you recieve a box with a random item.

jedtb16_ESO · August 2016

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Hand_Bacon wrote: »

elvenmad wrote: »

Not exactly you pay for a pack of x amount of cards, you receive x amount of cards, contract complete... law ends.

I think that's where people are getting tripped up a little. You aren't purchasing a chance of loot, you are purchasing loot. Just like the cards, you don't know what loot is inside, but there is loot. Contract still complete regardless of what the buyer is hoping to get out of the crate.

exactly...... kinder eggs anyone?

elvenmad · August 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Hand_Bacon wrote: »

elvenmad wrote: »

Not exactly you pay for a pack of x amount of cards, you receive x amount of cards, contract complete... law ends.

I think that's where people are getting tripped up a little. You aren't purchasing a chance of loot, you are purchasing loot. Just like the cards, you don't know what loot is inside, but there is loot. Contract still complete regardless of what the buyer is hoping to get out of the crate.

Exactly ^^

This biggest difference with these boxes is they are claiming there is a 'chance' of a special rare item all with the intentions of creating more sales, BUT to make it all legal if any laws do count they do have to put at least one of these 'rare' items in one box and the big BUT again, they only have to put one in every say every thousandth box, or even millionth box and the item IS there, you will very probably never get it, but it IS there.............good luck....have fun

Tavore1138 · August 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

So 66% against this on what is a fairly pro-ZOS forum... rather than just saying this sux I'll add I can only see one way this is tolerable...

Nothing, and I mean NOTHING, goes in the boxes that has not or is not available to buy using crowns.

So no shameless preying on gambling addicts by making them chase some illusive unique chest only mount or costume - this would be a gamble of either getting discontinued stock, old rares or current items... it's still an awful idea but at least then you are not simply trying to be the corporate equivalent of crack dealers.

Cazzy · August 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Hand_Bacon wrote: »

elvenmad wrote: »

Not exactly you pay for a pack of x amount of cards, you receive x amount of cards, contract complete... law ends.

I think that's where people are getting tripped up a little. You aren't purchasing a chance of loot, you are purchasing loot. Just like the cards, you don't know what loot is inside, but there is loot. Contract still complete regardless of what the buyer is hoping to get out of the crate.

exactly...... kinder eggs anyone?

Kinder Egg never started as just chocolate then charged people for a "chance" of getting chocolate xD

Abeille · August 2016

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

I get really indecisive when I see law debates here because, as a lawyer, I do want to participate on it. But, because I know the law is different everywhere, I also know that it doesn't matter much if I participate on it lol
Note: Although there are no ZOS servers here in Brazil, for any company to offer their services here, they must follow our law. Since there are Brazilian costumers, I decided to weight in.

I don't think that, here, this would be considered gambling - which is forbidden, lotteries being a monopoly of the government and any other kind of raffle needing to be authorized first - for two reasons:
1 - Crowns wouldn't be considered legitimate currency, but something that you buy within a game for legitimate currency - and you always get the exact number of Crowns you paid for.
2 - The definition of a gambling game in my country's Criminal Law is "A game on which winning or losing depend exclusively or mainly on luck". When you open a box, you won't find an empty box. Ever. Therefore, I doubt any judge will consider "losing" if you only get consumables. I don't think they would even consider opening the box "a game"; more like buying consumables and having a chance of getting something extra - and this is allowed.

Gabrielzavadski · August 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

As long as this game don't become a "Pay to Win" game, you know, a good game is the one you can be as powerfull as anyone without having to use real world cash.

elvenmad · August 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Abeille wrote: »

I get really indecisive when I see law debates here because, as a lawyer, I do want to participate on it. But, because I know the law is different everywhere, I also know that it doesn't matter much if I participate on it lol
Note: Although there are no ZOS servers here in Brazil, for any company to offer their services here, they must follow our law. Since there are Brazilian costumers, I decided to weight in.

I don't think that, here, this would be considered gambling - which is forbidden, lotteries being a monopoly of the government and any other kind of raffle needing to be authorized first - for two reasons:
1 - Crowns wouldn't be considered legitimate currency, but something that you buy within a game for legitimate currency - and you always get the exact number of Crowns you paid for.
2 - The definition of a gambling game in my country's Criminal Law is "A game on which winning or losing depend exclusively or mainly on luck". When you open a box, you won't find an empty box. Ever. Therefore, I doubt any judge will consider "losing" if you only get consumables. I don't think they would even consider opening the box "a game"; more like buying consumables and having a chance of getting something extra - and this is allowed.

yes , thats pretty much standard consumer rights worldwide and as you stated and I have before the real 'grey' area starts when you are using a game currency (crowns) that is not legally recognised as a currency or of any value as a commodity anywhere.

Basic definition of Gambling: to stake or risk money, or anything of value, on the outcome of something involving chance

Legal Gambling is actually more fair than these RNG boxes, Legal gambling is regulated and legally has to provide a fair 'chance' of winning if it does not it is basically fraud.

jedtb16_ESO · August 2016

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Cazzy wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Hand_Bacon wrote: »

elvenmad wrote: »

Not exactly you pay for a pack of x amount of cards, you receive x amount of cards, contract complete... law ends.

I think that's where people are getting tripped up a little. You aren't purchasing a chance of loot, you are purchasing loot. Just like the cards, you don't know what loot is inside, but there is loot. Contract still complete regardless of what the buyer is hoping to get out of the crate.

exactly...... kinder eggs anyone?

Kinder Egg never started as just chocolate then charged people for a "chance" of getting chocolate xD

i used to give my kids a little bit of money so they could buy a couple kinder eggs each. they weren't that interested in the chocolate - just the toys inside. they had a collection of them.... always excited to open them because they never new what they would get....

JKorr · August 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Cazzy wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Hand_Bacon wrote: »

elvenmad wrote: »

Not exactly you pay for a pack of x amount of cards, you receive x amount of cards, contract complete... law ends.

I think that's where people are getting tripped up a little. You aren't purchasing a chance of loot, you are purchasing loot. Just like the cards, you don't know what loot is inside, but there is loot. Contract still complete regardless of what the buyer is hoping to get out of the crate.

exactly...... kinder eggs anyone?

Kinder Egg never started as just chocolate then charged people for a "chance" of getting chocolate xD

i used to give my kids a little bit of money so they could buy a couple kinder eggs each. they weren't that interested in the chocolate - just the toys inside. they had a collection of them.... always excited to open them because they never new what they would get....

How often did they want a specific toy? How many eggs did they have to buy to get the specific toy?

Cazzy · August 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Cazzy wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Hand_Bacon wrote: »

elvenmad wrote: »

Not exactly you pay for a pack of x amount of cards, you receive x amount of cards, contract complete... law ends.

I think that's where people are getting tripped up a little. You aren't purchasing a chance of loot, you are purchasing loot. Just like the cards, you don't know what loot is inside, but there is loot. Contract still complete regardless of what the buyer is hoping to get out of the crate.

exactly...... kinder eggs anyone?

Kinder Egg never started as just chocolate then charged people for a "chance" of getting chocolate xD

i used to give my kids a little bit of money so they could buy a couple kinder eggs each. they weren't that interested in the chocolate - just the toys inside. they had a collection of them.... always excited to open them because they never new what they would get....

My point was that they were always that way.

jedtb16_ESO · August 2016

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Cazzy wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Cazzy wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Hand_Bacon wrote: »

elvenmad wrote: »

Not exactly you pay for a pack of x amount of cards, you receive x amount of cards, contract complete... law ends.

I think that's where people are getting tripped up a little. You aren't purchasing a chance of loot, you are purchasing loot. Just like the cards, you don't know what loot is inside, but there is loot. Contract still complete regardless of what the buyer is hoping to get out of the crate.

exactly...... kinder eggs anyone?

Kinder Egg never started as just chocolate then charged people for a "chance" of getting chocolate xD

i used to give my kids a little bit of money so they could buy a couple kinder eggs each. they weren't that interested in the chocolate - just the toys inside. they had a collection of them.... always excited to open them because they never new what they would get....

My point was that they were always that way.

my point was that there was a toy in them.... but no indication of which toy

jedtb16_ESO · August 2016

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

JKorr wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Cazzy wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Hand_Bacon wrote: »

elvenmad wrote: »

Not exactly you pay for a pack of x amount of cards, you receive x amount of cards, contract complete... law ends.

I think that's where people are getting tripped up a little. You aren't purchasing a chance of loot, you are purchasing loot. Just like the cards, you don't know what loot is inside, but there is loot. Contract still complete regardless of what the buyer is hoping to get out of the crate.

exactly...... kinder eggs anyone?

Kinder Egg never started as just chocolate then charged people for a "chance" of getting chocolate xD

i used to give my kids a little bit of money so they could buy a couple kinder eggs each. they weren't that interested in the chocolate - just the toys inside. they had a collection of them.... always excited to open them because they never new what they would get....

How often did they want a specific toy? How many eggs did they have to buy to get the specific toy?

i have no idea. but i think your question is intended to be vexatious so i won't ring them up to check.

Abeille · August 2016

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Cazzy wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Hand_Bacon wrote: »

elvenmad wrote: »

Not exactly you pay for a pack of x amount of cards, you receive x amount of cards, contract complete... law ends.

I think that's where people are getting tripped up a little. You aren't purchasing a chance of loot, you are purchasing loot. Just like the cards, you don't know what loot is inside, but there is loot. Contract still complete regardless of what the buyer is hoping to get out of the crate.

exactly...... kinder eggs anyone?

Kinder Egg never started as just chocolate then charged people for a "chance" of getting chocolate xD

i used to give my kids a little bit of money so they could buy a couple kinder eggs each. they weren't that interested in the chocolate - just the toys inside. they had a collection of them.... always excited to open them because they never new what they would get....

Heh. My grandpa would buy it for me, for my sister and each of my cousins sometimes, but we were more interested on the chocolate xD
It was considered "an extra" and therefore expensive to my family, so we didn't get it very often. To this day, it is still my favourite chocolate and I sometimes buy the kinder bars.

But I agree with @Cazzy here. They didn't start by selling chocolate and then went to selling a chance of getting chocolate. ZOS started by selling exclusive mounts directly (even before the Crown Store, since the Palomino Horse was up for sale since release on the virtual store where you would buy subscription months), and now they are going to sell a chance of getting exclusive mounts.
I asked Gina before if they still plan on putting some new mounts for direct purchase or if all new mounts will be box-exclusive after the boxes are introduced, but I think she didn't saw it. It would make me feel a little better if a ZOS employee told us that they are still going to introduce some new mounts through direct purchase (even better if they say the Ice Wolf will be direct purchase, because I want it so much, but I wouldn't even try to get it through the RNG boxes if it was a box exclusive).

Edited to clarify some things because it looked like I was saying that Kinder sold mounts :P

Cazzy · August 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Plus you really can't compare the two, no matter how hard you try

AnthragonVangor · August 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Let me make an alternative proposal:

Make items gainable for goals we reach in this game:

Do x amounts of dailys and you will get the special mount.This is a model that is already existing, when you complete the main story, reached champion level x e.g.

What about "back to the roots how to earn things in a game"?

- I have no problem with buying stuff in the crown store -

I am missing the days, claiming a price for my efforts. Not because I have paid for it. It's like being a sports tournament participant who wants to win the gold medal for the 100 m run, but instead of running those 100 m I pay for it. Huh, that feels...not good.

Zenimax, guys and girls, I know you are reading these posts, otherwise there wouldn''t be removed posts:

If you want to be unique in your model keep things like they are.

If you want to be different from other MMOs referring on selling stuff in game then keep how it is. I am one of these "stupid" people who is ok with subscribing, and I am ok in additional to the fees for a subscription to buy extra stuff from the crown store. I am totally ok with it - even though I prefer the "traditional" way gain access to stuff I have unlocked by achieving things in a game, because that's what I prefer in real life, too, and that's what I was taught by my parents, to reach my goals by working hard for them - .

And guys you should know that there are people like me, who would keep on doing this - but please no "chance to win by buying chest or however you want to call this at the end -.

You want to be different than Blizzard and other companies?

Then be strong and keep counting on those who like or accept what you are doing now.

You want that people sing their songs in the taverns about you, like you were heroes?

Then stay brave against Blizzards and other "big ones". Put your energy in creating new places we can dive in. New places and stories we can be a part of together. You as creator and us (well I can speak minimum for myself) as players. That is what can make you immortal.

I always felt that you were the ones who have both ears open for this community. Well then listen to us. I guess there are more people like me who think similar.