What do you think of Crown Store Random boxes/Lottery box?

Buffler

https://youtu.be/4UcmPeXG7qQ?t=465

About 8min in....only cosmetic stuff nothing b2w or anything of the sort so stop all that nonsense you weirdos are posting

Waseem

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Ghettokid wrote: »

MaddPowered wrote: »

Anything for me to have a chance at that snow bear mount!

Same reason. My ps4 was broken when polar bear was in crown store. It was only crown store item I ever wanted.

you making it sound like you will get exactly the item you need on your first box
dude you just devalued Zenimax's market department's ability to generate money
you may end up paying 80000 crowns for it
and where did it say that the mystery box is mounts exclusive box? its not a mounts box. the chance to receive a mount is probably less than 10%, and the chance to receive exactly the mount you want? probably 0.5%

edit: correction, instead "you could spend 20k crowns, you could spend 80k crowns"
the box is not mounts box, mounts are an extra with very low chance to receive

kevlarto_ESO

Don't care, doubt it will have p2w in the boxes, a lot of knee jerk reactions, as always to new things, don't like them don't buy them, I do not plan on spending money on them. The game has far to many other issues to be concerned about.

MarkusLiberty

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

If we assume that you cannot get the same mount twice, then the chances of getting the one you want increase every time you buy a box.

Here's a look at the various mounts they introduced in ESO http://mmomounts.com/elder-scrolls-online-mounts

I can count 17 time-limited mounts, (not incuding the Dro Mathra senche and the Striped Tiger Shenche) If you've never bought any of these previously, then you have about 5% chance of getting any specific mount

Most of the time-exclusive mounts ESO has introduced have all been pretty cool anyway, so it's not as if you really lose anything. I can see at least 10 mounts I really want, with the Camel of Ill Omen being the one I want the most.

As an ESO + subscriber and having bought several packs of Crowns, I'm sitting on way more crowns than I could possibly spend, so this is the perfect thing for me to invest in.

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Having seen such random boxes in Archeage and how some people spent money on this gamble to a point, where they cannot even pay their rent anymore, I am strictly against this. There is no guarantee to get anything for your money with such boxes and most of the time it will be just worthless crap - and this is by intention this way, to force the gambling addicted to buy even more - this is not something which should be supported and it is disgusting that ZOS is even thinking about it.

sebban

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Random loot boxes for crowns, which esentially is gambling with RL money, is one of the reasons I quit SWTOR. Don't add gambling with RL money to the game, please.

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

sebban wrote: »

Random loot boxes for crowns, which esentially is gambling with RL money, is one of the reasons I quit SWTOR. Don't add gambling with RL money to the game, please.

Exactly this - it is gambling with RL money without to have a license for it - it might need some investigation by officials if ZOS is introducing this - Second Life had to stop the gamble by such a reason, we might be able to stop that in ESO as well.

Thevampirenight

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Lysette wrote: »

sebban wrote: »

Random loot boxes for crowns, which esentially is gambling with RL money, is one of the reasons I quit SWTOR. Don't add gambling with RL money to the game, please.

Exactly this - it is gambling with RL money without to have a license for it - it might need some investigation by officials if ZOS is introducing this - Second Life had to stop the gamble by such a reason, we might be able to stop that in ESO as well.

Well I don't think they will make it where it takes a lot of money just to get something. I imagine you would have a good chance at a normal costume that was removed while a rare chance of getting a more expensive costume and costumes like the hero costumes might be very rare to get. Still I rather they do a weekly rotation. Or add them in game but with an extreme gold cost. Basically I think they should do that instead of the gamble box.

fluffycannibalb16_ESO

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

I'm looking at the rage over the lottery boxes the same way I looked at the Crown Store announcement. Everyone got their panties in a twist screaming "OMFG IT'S GOING P2W THIS IS TERRIBLE ARRRGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!ONE!!!" and then it turned out to be fine.

There's no indication whatso-f***ing-ever that there's going to be anything other than cosmetics in the bags so why is everyone getting so angry over this?

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

sebban wrote: »

Random loot boxes for crowns, which esentially is gambling with RL money, is one of the reasons I quit SWTOR. Don't add gambling with RL money to the game, please.

Exactly this - it is gambling with RL money without to have a license for it - it might need some investigation by officials if ZOS is introducing this - Second Life had to stop the gamble by such a reason, we might be able to stop that in ESO as well.

Well I don't think they will make it where it takes a lot of money just to get something. I imagine you would have a good chance at a normal costume that was removed while a rare chance of getting a more expensive costume and costumes like the hero costumes might be very rare to get. Still I rather they do a weekly rotation. Or add them in game but with an extreme gold cost. Basically I think they should do that instead of the gamble box.

Nah, you can bet that they will prey on gambling addicted persons by keeping the chances to get something good extremely low. If they do it like this, this makes it pretty easy for me in future - I have a year of ESO+ left, I do not have a lot of crowns left and I do not have to buy more crowns ever again, if they will introduce that - this was it for me then with the crown store.

And housing - screw it - I am no longer interested into it, if they turn out to be greedy predators, which prey on addicted people and even foster their addiction even more.

Enodoc

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Since they are supposedly only cosmetic/convenience items (ie, the things that are already in the Crown Store; no gear etc), I have no issue with it.

Iselin

No, don't ever add these into the game.

It's called gambling and its something I associate with the money-grubbing dark side of game design that has no problems profiting from people who have impulse control issues.

Ghettokid

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Waseem wrote: »

Ghettokid wrote: »

MaddPowered wrote: »

Anything for me to have a chance at that snow bear mount!

Same reason. My ps4 was broken when polar bear was in crown store. It was only crown store item I ever wanted.

you making it sound like you will get exactly the item you need on your first box
dude you just devalued Zenimax's market department's ability to generate money
you may end up paying 80000 crowns for it
and where did it say that the mystery box is mounts exclusive box? its not a mounts box. the chance to receive a mount is probably less than 10%, and the chance to receive exactly the mount you want? probably 0.5%

edit: correction, instead "you could spend 20k crowns, you could spend 80k crowns"
the box is not mounts box, mounts are an extra with very low chance to receive

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Maybe it sounded like that but do you really think I am so stupid that I would buy crowns because of chance to get mount I want? I just mean that when you buy dlc, there will be leftover crowns and then I use them on boxes. Or maybe not.

Hallothiel

No, don't ever add these into the game.

@Lysette

Just commented on another thread the same concern.

It is utterly irresponsible & rather despicable as gambling with real money can cause hideous repercussions. No need for it to be introduced at all.

And I also questioned the legality, as some places gave very strict laws about gambling - and this is gambling, despite calling it something different.

Also, I know the game is meant to be for over 18 only but younger people do play, but that has no legal basis, it's just guidelines. Gambling has quite definite legal constraints / age restrictions.

MarkusLiberty

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

so why is everyone getting so angry over this?

I would guess that the vast majority them are simply afraid that their "super rare" mounts might lose some of its value now that people have a chance at getting them in a random content box.

PurifedBladez

No, don't ever add these into the game.

I'm not trying to make a huge deal about this but this game has slowly been going in a direction I don't support.

Hallothiel

No, don't ever add these into the game.

MarkusLiberty wrote: »

so why is everyone getting so angry over this?

I would guess that the vast majority them are simply afraid that their "super rare" mounts might lose some of its value now that people have a chance at getting them in a random content box.

No, I am concerned that this is gambling & that there are people out there who can have a problem with addiction & thus don't want it added to this game.

Really don't care about bl**dy mounts...

Buffler

If someone CHOOSES to "gamble" then its up to them. ZOS isnt forcing anything on people and its pure cosmetic items. No problem with this at all.

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Waseem

No, don't ever add these into the game.

some people may end up selling their houses if Zenimax add a Unicorn to those boxes

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Ridiculous, some think the chances to get their stuff will be 10% - if it will be like in Archeage, the changes are more like 0.1% or even lower and you need hundreds of such boxes to have a good chance to get something you actually want - this is selling lottery tickets with a very low chance to win - gambling is by very good reasons restricted by law, because it is dangerous and can ruin existences and families, because addicted people might not stop buying until they and their families will go broke.

KingYogi415

No, don't ever add these into the game.

I always felt good supporting ESO. Now I'm counting how much I have spent, and every dollar feels like too much.

Anyone have any good MMO recommendations?

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Buffler wrote: »

If someone CHOOSES to "gamble" then its up to them. ZOS isnt forcing anything on people and its pure cosmetic items. No problem with this at all.

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An addicted person does not choose to gamble, it is not able to make a reasonable decision about it, because of addiction.

MarkusLiberty

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

No, I am concerned that this is gambling & that there are people out there who can have a problem with addiction & thus don't want it added to this game.

Yeah, but that type of gambling exists all around us anyway. Just look at trading card games, there's even an Elder Scrolls Trading card game out there.

I dont think cosmetic mounts is going to be a thing that really ruins anyone's lives, how much money do you expect people to spent before they get the mount they've been looking for? It's probably an insicgifictant number compared to what people lose at real gambling.

JD2013

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

Lysette wrote: »

Ridiculous, some think the chances to get their stuff will be 10% - if it will be like in Archeage, the changes are more like 0.1% or even lower and you need hundreds of such boxes to have a good chance to get something you actually want - this is selling lottery tickets with a very low chance to win - gambling is by very good reasons restricted by law, because it is dangerous and can ruin existences and families, because addicted people might not stop buying until they and their families will go broke.

There's also something we like to call personal responsibility. People don't see that anymore. I have no need of these boxes and I budget my money for things I get and household expenditure.

I hardly think ZOS wants to ruin families with cosmetic items that mean nothing. It's all getting a little overly dramatic. Until the day a ZOS developer holds a gun against someone's head and tells them to buy something, it all comes down to people taking responsibility for their own purchases.

Thevampirenight

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Well, maybe instead they could add the box but make it have a choice of former crown store items. They would have three things, normal costumes would be the 400 crown one, but each one in the box is seperated and not part of the pack for each box you choose the costume you don't have. The rare ones, which is like 1000 crowns, box which gives the choice of a rare costume, and very rare, which would be the 2500 crowns box which would have all there rare ones like the hero costumes.
Also they would make these costumes tradeable to other players, which would be great for those that don't use crownstore I imagine they would cost players a lot of gold which could be good for the ingame economy do to demand.

Tib

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

I have nothing against these boxes (although, I'm not sure if I'd purchase any myself).

jedtb16_ESO

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Iselin wrote: »

It's called gambling and its something I associate with the money-grubbing dark side of game design that has no problems profiting from people who have impulse control issues.

there are also people who obsess over online games, spending far too much time in them and neglecting the rl things that they would be better doing....

are you going to call for zos to limit in game time to protect those people?

MarkusLiberty

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

I think the best way to do this would be to have two different boxes, one for mounts, and one for costumes. They have a chance at droping a former limited mount/costumes, or one of the very special mounts/costumes mentioned in the video.

he changes are more like 0.1%

I dont see how they could be that slim when there's only about 17 time-exclusive mounts out there. Realistically, you'd have a 5% chance at getting any specific mounts,unless you've already bought several time-exclusive mounts before (assuming you can't get the same mounts twice)

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

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JD2013 wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Ridiculous, some think the chances to get their stuff will be 10% - if it will be like in Archeage, the changes are more like 0.1% or even lower and you need hundreds of such boxes to have a good chance to get something you actually want - this is selling lottery tickets with a very low chance to win - gambling is by very good reasons restricted by law, because it is dangerous and can ruin existences and families, because addicted people might not stop buying until they and their families will go broke.

There's also something we like to call personal responsibility. People don't see that anymore. I have no need of these boxes and I budget my money for things I get and household expenditure.

I hardly think ZOS wants to ruin families with cosmetic items that mean nothing. It's all getting a little overly dramatic. Until the day a ZOS developer holds a gun against someone's head and tells them to buy something, it all comes down to people taking responsibility for their own purchases.

Well, I have seen that in 2 games, how gambling effects people - it was banned in Second Life, after protests of residents and invoking officials to have a look at providing online gambling without to have a license - and Linden Lab did not even do it by themselves, but just offering a service and letting it happen alone was enough for them to ban it, to not get their game banned by supporting gambling in a passive way without to have a casino license.

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

MarkusLiberty wrote: »

I think the best way to do this would be to have two different boxes, one for mounts, and one for costumes. They have a chance at droping a former limited mount/costumes, or one of the very special mounts/costumes mentioned in the video.

he changes are more like 0.1%

I dont see how they could be that slim when there's only about 17 time-exclusive mounts out there. Realistically, you'd have a 5% chance at getting any specific mounts,unless you've already bought several time-exclusive mounts before (assuming you can't get the same mounts twice)

because you might get nothing at all with such a box - it is random - it could be empty as well.