What do you think of Crown Store Random boxes/Lottery box?

Sigma957

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

It doesn't bother me either, no one is forced to buy anything really. Simple fact is don't buy them, I may use them to dump excess crowns in but we will see.

WhiteCoatSyndrome

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Wow, that's it? That's all the info they gave? Glad I missed the Q&A session then. Being stuck in traffic actually seems like a better use of that hour.

GhostwalkerLD wrote: »

I've already decided that I will go ahead and just cancel my sub the day these crates go live, crafting bag be damned. I just can't support this.

I'm starting to lean that way too...join me for walk-out week?

VerboseQuips

No, don't ever add these into the game.

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

Wow, that's it? That's all the info they gave? Glad I missed the Q&A session then. Being stuck in traffic actually seems like a better use of that hour.

GhostwalkerLD wrote: »

I've already decided that I will go ahead and just cancel my sub the day these crates go live, crafting bag be damned. I just can't support this.

I'm starting to lean that way too...join me for walk-out week?

Gina Bruno's message that they were at least allow us to change the consumables for gems is a step into the right direction. Not enough, but a good start. I am one step further from quitting than I was yesterday, but still very cautious.

I am waiting to see the Crates on live. If they are significantly less predatory than what we are seeing now, I think I'll keep my subscription. But if they are then as bad as they now, I am out too.

Slurg

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

VerboseQuips wrote: »

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

Wow, that's it? That's all the info they gave? Glad I missed the Q&A session then. Being stuck in traffic actually seems like a better use of that hour.

GhostwalkerLD wrote: »

I've already decided that I will go ahead and just cancel my sub the day these crates go live, crafting bag be damned. I just can't support this.

I'm starting to lean that way too...join me for walk-out week?

Gina Bruno's message that they were at least allow us to change the consumables for gems is a step into the right direction. Not enough, but a good start. I am one step further from quitting than I was yesterday, but still very cautious.

I am waiting to see the Crates on live. If they are significantly less predatory than what we are seeing now, I think I'll keep my subscription. But if they are then as bad as they now, I am out too.

Are you willing to test them on the live server with real money to see the results though? I read yesterday's chat and they said they were not sure whether the final changes to the crates would go on PTS before they go live. Unless they publish drop rates (and stick to those published rates) how will anyone know without spending real money?

[–]joshfongDark Elf 4 points 17 hours ago
Great job on the game and the update so far. Keep up the good work!
My question is about the Crown Crates... I know you guys gave an update earlier today about them and it's very appreciated. However, there's sure to be a lot more feedback before they go live.
Will you be continuing to tweak the crates based on user feedback, and will the newly announced changes (and potentially other changes) land on the PTS before One Tamriel drops?
Thank you.

[–]ZOS_MattF 7 points 17 hours ago
We may make more changes than we announced today - there are still some other things we are looking at and assessing feedback. I don't know if we'll have those changes on PTS or not - but they will be in before they go live and we'll be sure to announce what is changing before we do so.

SilentRaven1972

No, don't ever add these into the game.

GhostwalkerLD wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

Based on what I've seen on the PTS it looks like the run of the mill costumes/mounts/etc. will go up for sale but all the really cool cosmetics will be locked behind the gambling wall.

And the Red Wolf was already datamined to be in a Crown Box season, so I doubt that's gonna change.

Yep, as will virtually all of the new content datamined. Which makes me wonder how long in advance they really have been planning all of this after all? Those are a LOT of costumes/mounts/motifs/pets, etc.

If it weren't for their false-scarcity tactics of 'limited time only' crown store stuff, the store would absolutely be packed with cool stuff that people could buy whenever they wanted for a fixed price. And yet by forging ahead with these crown crates forcing people to gamble if they want a chance at any of the 'coolest' stuff, they are actively driving away potential customers as well as dedicated subscribers..

I've already decided that I will go ahead and just cancel my sub the day these crates go live, crafting bag be damned. I just can't support this.

The part I made bold,,,It's not about false scarcity, it's about impulse purchasing. They are hoping to catch people that may think "Limited time? I better get it just in case!" I actually made that mistake early on when they first pulled some of the outfits and pets. I ended up getting a chef costume, a couple other outfits, and a bantam guar. The bantam guar is the only thing I've ever used. I don't really RP, so have no use for the outfits

MissBizz

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Slurg wrote: »

VerboseQuips wrote: »

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

Wow, that's it? That's all the info they gave? Glad I missed the Q&A session then. Being stuck in traffic actually seems like a better use of that hour.

GhostwalkerLD wrote: »

I've already decided that I will go ahead and just cancel my sub the day these crates go live, crafting bag be damned. I just can't support this.

I'm starting to lean that way too...join me for walk-out week?

Gina Bruno's message that they were at least allow us to change the consumables for gems is a step into the right direction. Not enough, but a good start. I am one step further from quitting than I was yesterday, but still very cautious.

I am waiting to see the Crates on live. If they are significantly less predatory than what we are seeing now, I think I'll keep my subscription. But if they are then as bad as they now, I am out too.

Are you willing to test them on the live server with real money to see the results though? I read yesterday's chat and they said they were not sure whether the final changes to the crates would go on PTS before they go live. Unless they publish drop rates (and stick to those published rates) how will anyone know without spending real money?

That's also a problem with me. For anyone wondering I believe @Slurg is referring to Matt's comment in the AmA.

https://reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/546mo4/comment/d7zb72f

Slurg

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

MissBizz wrote: »

Slurg wrote: »

VerboseQuips wrote: »

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

Wow, that's it? That's all the info they gave? Glad I missed the Q&A session then. Being stuck in traffic actually seems like a better use of that hour.

GhostwalkerLD wrote: »

I've already decided that I will go ahead and just cancel my sub the day these crates go live, crafting bag be damned. I just can't support this.

I'm starting to lean that way too...join me for walk-out week?

Gina Bruno's message that they were at least allow us to change the consumables for gems is a step into the right direction. Not enough, but a good start. I am one step further from quitting than I was yesterday, but still very cautious.

I am waiting to see the Crates on live. If they are significantly less predatory than what we are seeing now, I think I'll keep my subscription. But if they are then as bad as they now, I am out too.

Are you willing to test them on the live server with real money to see the results though? I read yesterday's chat and they said they were not sure whether the final changes to the crates would go on PTS before they go live. Unless they publish drop rates (and stick to those published rates) how will anyone know without spending real money?

That's also a problem with me. For anyone wondering I believe @Slurg is referring to Matt's comment in the AmA.

https://reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/546mo4/comment/d7zb72f

Yes I am. I attempted to edit my post with the quote but it doesn't look right. Thanks for providing a link!

VerboseQuips

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Slurg wrote: »

Are you willing to test them on the live server with real money to see the results though? I read yesterday's chat and they said they were not sure whether the final changes to the crates would go on PTS before they go live. Unless they publish drop rates (and stick to those published rates) how will anyone know without spending real money?

No I am not. Their final form absolutely needs to go on the PTS before hitting live. The community needs to be able to see the true crates before being kindly asked to buy them, otherwise their choice are necessarily uninformed, which is bad. And I won't test anything with my real money.

Furthermore, their reluctance to publishing the drop rates makes me think that they want to be able to change it at will, and to make different drop rates for different people based on their spending history and their customer/player profiles, and maybe even depending on how many gems they already own.

JKorr

No, don't ever add these into the game.

VerboseQuips wrote: »

Slurg wrote: »

Are you willing to test them on the live server with real money to see the results though? I read yesterday's chat and they said they were not sure whether the final changes to the crates would go on PTS before they go live. Unless they publish drop rates (and stick to those published rates) how will anyone know without spending real money?

No I am not. Their final form absolutely needs to go on the PTS before hitting live. The community needs to be able to see the true crates before being kindly asked to buy them, otherwise their choice are necessarily uninformed, which is bad. And I won't test anything with my real money.

Furthermore, their reluctance to publishing the drop rates makes me think that they want to be able to change it at will, and to make different drop rates for different people based on their spending history and their customer/player profiles, and maybe even depending on how many gems they already own.

The mods chide us about "conspiracy theories", but the way they are releasing information and the lack thereof, they are making it so very easy to believe the worst scenario possible.

They should actually take this as a compliment of sorts; they have a lot of people with vested interest in the game who really want to see it improve and continue without heading down the cash grab free to play rngesus boxes. If no one cared about the game or whether they continue to play, not a word would be said besides "Oh well, time to move on."

JimT722

No, don't ever add these into the game.

VerboseQuips wrote: »

Slurg wrote: »

Are you willing to test them on the live server with real money to see the results though? I read yesterday's chat and they said they were not sure whether the final changes to the crates would go on PTS before they go live. Unless they publish drop rates (and stick to those published rates) how will anyone know without spending real money?

No I am not. Their final form absolutely needs to go on the PTS before hitting live. The community needs to be able to see the true crates before being kindly asked to buy them, otherwise their choice are necessarily uninformed, which is bad. And I won't test anything with my real money.

Furthermore, their reluctance to publishing the drop rates makes me think that they want to be able to change it at will, and to make different drop rates for different people based on their spending history and their customer/player profiles, and maybe even depending on how many gems they already own.

That is the problem, they could if they wanted to. Your not buying crates with money but crowns. This means they won't be regulated in any way so they are free to do this if they choose. I don't think they would but I would never buy one because you never could know. The problem with rng loot crates is you can't prove if it's working.

With the inclusion of loads of items being now exclusive to crates, it is a major blow to the players. Items that have been on past pts are also included like the style parlor. I assumed I would have a chance to purchase this stuff. These crown crates make me not want to play anymore and I have logged in almost daily for nearly 2.5 years.

Khenarthi

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

Before the gambling crates came to PTS, I believed the only crate-exclusive content were the atronach mounts and the "filler" drops were useful to all characters (no dresses if you play a male, no argonian adornments for if you open the crate on a breton...). To each their own, I do not like gambling but I would not like to stop those who do from enjoying content.

Clearly my faith was misplaced though, and when the gambling crates were made available they revealed themselves a massive disappointment. Personally, my biggest problem is the incredibly large amount of items which appear to be exclusive on the lowest tiers.

I then try to reason with myself to see if it would be worthwhile buying the items I want from the gems that are given in lieu of a duplicate item. But in the end it's really not reasonable at all.

Even with the proposed changes (vague as they are), the situation does not improve. In fact, introducing new overpowered consumables will make it worse from the point of view of a crafter who enjoys making good items - at best, we face a grind for the recipes, and at worse they require an extremely rare ingredient, making them prohibitive for everyday play.

I'm trying really hard to stay positive and keep an open mind. But so far it feels more and more discouraging to hope that the normal items and recolours of existing pets/mounts and new haistyles will eventually be available to purchase even as a time limited thing.

kevlarto_ESO

After spending my crowns on PTS along with my terrible luck, I am not worried about them at all, I will not be buying any.

I got one mount, one dog, lots potions, a dress it gave me over and over when I went to spend my stones I did not have enough to buy anything out of the store for when you get duplicates felt a little cheated on this, but there was nothing that I would consider p2w nothing that made me a god amongst noobs, other than spending money they are pretty much harmless.

JimT722

No, don't ever add these into the game.

kevlarto_ESO wrote: »

After spending my crowns on PTS along with my terrible luck, I am not worried about them at all, I will not be buying any.

I got one mount, one dog, lots potions, a dress it gave me over and over when I went to spend my stones I did not have enough to buy anything out of the store for when you get duplicates felt a little cheated on this, but there was nothing that I would consider p2w nothing that made me a god amongst noobs, other than spending money they are pretty much harmless.

Honestly no one should. On average it will have an outrageous cost. When you buy these you tell them your okay with the items being here. Everything you want to buy from now on is going to be in the crates. If they don't sell maybe they will end up in the store for a fair price.

GhostwalkerLD

No, don't ever add these into the game.

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

Wow, that's it? That's all the info they gave? Glad I missed the Q&A session then. Being stuck in traffic actually seems like a better use of that hour.

GhostwalkerLD wrote: »

I've already decided that I will go ahead and just cancel my sub the day these crates go live, crafting bag be damned. I just can't support this.

I'm starting to lean that way too...join me for walk-out week?

Absolutely.

And I agree with @JimT722 , no one should buy them. But clearly there are still a few people out there that will, and I doubt it will make much difference, any more so than the over 700+ people who voted against them in this poll, but hey, we made our opinions clear, at least.

nimander99

No, don't ever add these into the game.

GhostwalkerLD wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

Based on what I've seen on the PTS it looks like the run of the mill costumes/mounts/etc. will go up for sale but all the really cool cosmetics will be locked behind the gambling wall.

And the Red Wolf was already datamined to be in a Crown Box season, so I doubt that's gonna change.

Yep, as will virtually all of the new content datamined. Which makes me wonder how long in advance they really have been planning all of this after all? Those are a LOT of costumes/mounts/motifs/pets, etc.

If it weren't for their false-scarcity tactics of 'limited time only' crown store stuff, the store would absolutely be packed with cool stuff that people could buy whenever they wanted for a fixed price. And yet by forging ahead with these crown crates forcing people to gamble if they want a chance at any of the 'coolest' stuff, they are actively driving away potential customers as well as dedicated subscribers..

I've already decided that I will go ahead and just cancel my sub the day these crates go live, crafting bag be damned. I just can't support this.

Yup, the day the crates enter the game is the day that the only money zos gets from me is when I outright buy a DLC... Oh and I'll continue to collect cosmetics that have an actual price on them.

Personofsecrets

No, don't ever add these into the game.

put a few crowns in your pocket they said

nimander99

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Since these crates are coming no matter how many people are against them I'm going to suggest something that is actually going to raise some hackles... But just bear with me here, hear me out.

First, lets talk about gold, having a lot of gold isn't p2w, you cant buy the best gear in game on the various traders. Gold is almost exactly like exp scrolls if you think about it, it speeds progress. With exp scrolls you level and earn cp's faster. With gold you can buy mats and crafted food gear etc. Not really much of a dif. There's people with millions that cant win a duel if their life depended on it and there's grinders who've earned max CP's and cant put a dent in pvp.

That being said:

I've done a lot of compare and contrasting between the upcoming Crates and games like Neverwinter, GW2 and SWTOR's crates. The only dif is in those games players can buy the very special crate items from other players on the auction house without ever having to gamble.

With the upcoming BoP everything why not allow players who want to dump tons of cash into the crates sell their items on the market like the games I mentioned above? Is it p2w? No more than exp scrolls are p2w.

Besides, who cares at this point? ESO is going full steam ahead with aggressive cash shop, might as well put a gold to crown conversion system into the game, give everyone the chance to buy what they want and ZOS can really rake in the money.

Shoot, get a couple more big DLC's under our belt and make the base game free 2 play! That'll bring in the F2P mafia and we are there! I'm excited. I think this is what's going to happen ultimately anyways.

C0wrex

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

I'm fine with it

JimT722

No, don't ever add these into the game.

nimander99 wrote: »

Since these crates are coming no matter how many people are against them I'm going to suggest something that is actually going to raise some hackles... But just bear with me here, hear me out.

First, lets talk about gold, having a lot of gold isn't p2w, you cant buy the best gear in game on the various traders. Gold is almost exactly like exp scrolls if you think about it, it speeds progress. With exp scrolls you level and earn cp's faster. With gold you can buy mats and crafted food gear etc. Not really much of a dif. There's people with millions that cant win a duel if their life depended on it and there's grinders who've earned max CP's and cant put a dent in pvp.

That being said:

I've done a lot of compare and contrasting between the upcoming Crates and games like Neverwinter, GW2 and SWTOR's crates. The only dif is in those games players can buy the very special crate items from other players on the auction house without ever having to gamble.

With the upcoming BoP everything why not allow players who want to dump tons of cash into the crates sell their items on the market like the games I mentioned above? Is it p2w? No more than exp scrolls are p2w.

Besides, who cares at this point? ESO is going full steam ahead with aggressive cash shop, might as well put a gold to crown conversion system into the game, give everyone the chance to buy what they want and ZOS can really rake in the money.

Shoot, get a couple more big DLC's under our belt and make the base game free 2 play! That'll bring in the F2P mafia and we are there! I'm excited. I think this is what's going to happen ultimately anyways.

I agree this game is likely going f2p. Probably shortly after One Tamriel fails to do what they want it to do in regards to new players. If people were uninterested in this game before, One Tamriel won't change that.

I also played gw2, neverwinter, and swtor. Those games kept me playing for maybe a few months at most before I got sick of them. Compare that to this game. Been playing since May 2014. Why? Because it didn't pull the kind of crap those games did. the only hope I see for MMO's is that people get sick of this crap and it starts blowing up in the developers face.

Easily_Lost

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Well there is a positive side to everyone that will leave when the Crown Crates go live, it should cut down on LAG.
LOL

Elsonso

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

JimT722 wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

Since these crates are coming no matter how many people are against them I'm going to suggest something that is actually going to raise some hackles... But just bear with me here, hear me out.

First, lets talk about gold, having a lot of gold isn't p2w, you cant buy the best gear in game on the various traders. Gold is almost exactly like exp scrolls if you think about it, it speeds progress. With exp scrolls you level and earn cp's faster. With gold you can buy mats and crafted food gear etc. Not really much of a dif. There's people with millions that cant win a duel if their life depended on it and there's grinders who've earned max CP's and cant put a dent in pvp.

That being said:

I've done a lot of compare and contrasting between the upcoming Crates and games like Neverwinter, GW2 and SWTOR's crates. The only dif is in those games players can buy the very special crate items from other players on the auction house without ever having to gamble.

With the upcoming BoP everything why not allow players who want to dump tons of cash into the crates sell their items on the market like the games I mentioned above? Is it p2w? No more than exp scrolls are p2w.

Besides, who cares at this point? ESO is going full steam ahead with aggressive cash shop, might as well put a gold to crown conversion system into the game, give everyone the chance to buy what they want and ZOS can really rake in the money.

Shoot, get a couple more big DLC's under our belt and make the base game free 2 play! That'll bring in the F2P mafia and we are there! I'm excited. I think this is what's going to happen ultimately anyways.

I agree this game is likely going f2p. Probably shortly after One Tamriel fails to do what they want it to do in regards to new players. If people were uninterested in this game before, One Tamriel won't change that.

I also played gw2, neverwinter, and swtor. Those games kept me playing for maybe a few months at most before I got sick of them. Compare that to this game. Been playing since May 2014. Why? Because it didn't pull the kind of crap those games did. the only hope I see for MMO's is that people get sick of this crap and it starts blowing up in the developers face.

Never gonna happen as long as people think Subscription=Studio Owner, players are willing to spend money on nothing, and studios can make more money by getting friendly with the customer's wallet while providing nothing in return.

Grumble_and_Grunt

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

This whole Crown Crate fiasco is as good a reason to bring back a more community/developer relationship via 'The Road Ahead' as any. ZOS are clutching at straws every time they surprise the community with their next instalment of content and sadly only ever drawing the short straws.

If the community had more insightful knowledge of the Crown Crates whilst it was at its conception then you would have seen how the majority feel about it and therefore not wasted and yes wasted so much in its development and implementation to the point you have no option, but to force it through and therefore dissatisfy the majority of your loyal customers.

The original pitch was along the lines of being able to potentially bag yourself a past limited item for a discounted price at a gamble and has now escalated to making content/cosmetics solely for the Crown Crates and now playing with the idea of implementing unique recipes for crafters also... All things nobody wanted or wants.

The majority of disgruntled customers accepted the Crown Store itself after a time and the current system of 'Sell this Buy this' for XYZ is a reliable and successful system. Real life applications should tell you that this is more successful method than 'Sell this Buy this (maybe)'

It feels so painful to watch a company shoot themselves in the foot like this and shows the company's disillusionment with the community. If you take anything away from this whole Crown Crates Facade (once the lambs of the slaughter have subsided) it is that bringing back 'The Road Ahead' would be advantageous to you in making your concepts aware to the community to decide whether or not you should pursue them or go back the drawing board. THAT would be a more so effective use of your 'Hard Data' (Suggesting that 'The Road Ahead' be more engaging and open for discussion than has been in the past).

ZOS are pushing out content so fast which to be honest imo is not at a quality to warrant its worth. The time we get to test on PTS is so limited and INCREDIBLY RESTRICTIVE where half the actual possible testing is way too short, to the point half the time is spent scratching our heads at multiple changes and making cases as to its reversal and amendments that takes another week to be implemented thus causing a vicious cycle that eats away at all the time.

Knowing at least what your plans were and knowing it is something desired and not (ironically as these Crown Crates are) a premeditated gamble on the ongoing success of your business, would make it a lot easier for all involved and would benefit the PTS for everyone testing since we the community will have a general idea of what to expect and therefore what to look for and how we feel about it as well as having forms of open discussion with the developers in making our concerns at least aware ahead of time.

Elsonso

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Grumble_and_Grunt wrote: »

It feels so painful to watch a company shoot themselves in the foot like this and shows the company's disillusionment with the community. If you take anything away from this whole Crown Crates Facade (once the lambs of the slaughter have subsided) it is that bringing back 'The Road Ahead' would be advantageous to you in making your concepts aware to the community to decide whether or not you should pursue them or go back the drawing board. THAT would be a more so effective use of your 'Hard Data' (Suggesting that 'The Road Ahead' be more engaging and open for discussion than has been in the past).

I think you missed something here. Crown Crates are not a mistake. They are deliberate, and they know exactly what people think of them. They knew before they even announced them. There is no foot shooting happening here. The only question they have is 'how to make them better' and how feedback can make that happen.

nimander99

No, don't ever add these into the game.

lordrichter wrote: »

Grumble_and_Grunt wrote: »

It feels so painful to watch a company shoot themselves in the foot like this and shows the company's disillusionment with the community. If you take anything away from this whole Crown Crates Facade (once the lambs of the slaughter have subsided) it is that bringing back 'The Road Ahead' would be advantageous to you in making your concepts aware to the community to decide whether or not you should pursue them or go back the drawing board. THAT would be a more so effective use of your 'Hard Data' (Suggesting that 'The Road Ahead' be more engaging and open for discussion than has been in the past).

I think you missed something here. Crown Crates are not a mistake. They are deliberate, and they know exactly what people think of them. They knew before they even announced them. There is no foot shooting happening here. The only question they have is 'how to make them better' and how feedback can make that happen.

Yeah, obviously this has been in the works for a very long time.

I bet (pure conjecture) that when the guy that was developing Spell Crafting (I forget his name but everyone liked him) left the game was when assets were diverted from that and other monthly sub system content to b2p > crown store > gambling crates > housing > f2p.

GhostwalkerLD

No, don't ever add these into the game.

nimander99 wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Grumble_and_Grunt wrote: »

It feels so painful to watch a company shoot themselves in the foot like this and shows the company's disillusionment with the community. If you take anything away from this whole Crown Crates Facade (once the lambs of the slaughter have subsided) it is that bringing back 'The Road Ahead' would be advantageous to you in making your concepts aware to the community to decide whether or not you should pursue them or go back the drawing board. THAT would be a more so effective use of your 'Hard Data' (Suggesting that 'The Road Ahead' be more engaging and open for discussion than has been in the past).

I think you missed something here. Crown Crates are not a mistake. They are deliberate, and they know exactly what people think of them. They knew before they even announced them. There is no foot shooting happening here. The only question they have is 'how to make them better' and how feedback can make that happen.

Yeah, obviously this has been in the works for a very long time.

I bet (pure conjecture) that when the guy that was developing Spell Crafting (I forget his name but everyone liked him) left the game was when assets were diverted from that and other monthly sub system content to b2p > crown store > gambling crates > housing > f2p.

At this point, it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. I know there are quite a few developers out there who feel just like we do about it, and clearly some aren't above resigning in protest to seek employment elsewhere. Unfortunately for us, that (just like our own voiced opinions) clearly doesn't do much to change the minds of the suits in charge.

Still feels nice to at least get our thoughts out here.

jeevin

No, don't ever add these into the game.

@JimT722 came up with a very valid point in the PTS CC thread. These Crown Crates are being sold to us as consumable crates with a chance of getting an exclusive.

Matt Firor: The concept of Crown Crates is pretty easy: for a 400 crown purchase, you get a crate full of consumables as well as a chance at customization and convenience items. Crown Crates are obtainable exclusively in the Crown Store, and the consumables they contain are the same ones that you are probably already purchasing directly in the Crown Store. The difference is that you have a chance to get additional items in a Crown Crate – the same items that are on sale in the Crown Store. There is also a rarer chance to receive a discontinued limited-time-offer Crown Store item. The rarest items are Crown-Crate only items that we will cycle out every quarter or so for a new set.

It's bollocks

Gina posts the proposed changes

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »
Hi everyone, here’s where we are with Crown Crates:

We put systems on the PTS for player feedback for a reason – we have sifted (and continue to analyze) your feedback on Crown Crates, and as such, we’re going to make at least the following changes to the system before it goes live later this year:
We are working to change the way the system works to ensure that you get higher tiered items more often.
We will allow you to convert unwanted Crown Crate consumables into Crown Gems. This way, you won’t be stuck with consumables you may not want, and you will also have more Gems to purchase the items that you do want.
We will also take another look at Crown Crate potions, food, XP scrolls, etc. with an eye towards boosting their effectiveness and/or duration. This may entail us adding new recipes to allow crafters to make similar items.
We may well find other changes we want to make as well, and will let everyone know what we have done when this initial round of changes are in and can test them internally.

I highlight the line Crown Crate consumables into gems. It really contradicts Firor's sell.

JimT722

No, don't ever add these into the game.

jeevin wrote: »

@JimT722 came up with a very valid point in the PTS CC thread. These Crown Crates are being sold to us as consumable crates with a chance of getting an exclusive.

Matt Firor: The concept of Crown Crates is pretty easy: for a 400 crown purchase, you get a crate full of consumables as well as a chance at customization and convenience items. Crown Crates are obtainable exclusively in the Crown Store, and the consumables they contain are the same ones that you are probably already purchasing directly in the Crown Store. The difference is that you have a chance to get additional items in a Crown Crate – the same items that are on sale in the Crown Store. There is also a rarer chance to receive a discontinued limited-time-offer Crown Store item. The rarest items are Crown-Crate only items that we will cycle out every quarter or so for a new set.

It's bollocks

Gina posts the proposed changes

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »
Hi everyone, here’s where we are with Crown Crates:

We put systems on the PTS for player feedback for a reason – we have sifted (and continue to analyze) your feedback on Crown Crates, and as such, we’re going to make at least the following changes to the system before it goes live later this year:
We are working to change the way the system works to ensure that you get higher tiered items more often.
We will allow you to convert unwanted Crown Crate consumables into Crown Gems. This way, you won’t be stuck with consumables you may not want, and you will also have more Gems to purchase the items that you do want.
We will also take another look at Crown Crate potions, food, XP scrolls, etc. with an eye towards boosting their effectiveness and/or duration. This may entail us adding new recipes to allow crafters to make similar items.
We may well find other changes we want to make as well, and will let everyone know what we have done when this initial round of changes are in and can test them internally.

I highlight the line Crown Crate consumables into gems. It really contradicts Firor's sell.

They have been doing a massive PR campaign trying to put lipstick on a pig and that's leading to contradictory statements. I keep hoping that they will realize if you have to do all this to try and sell something generally hated, it's a horrible thing to do to your loyal customers.

I hope they at least consider massive changes. We can only wait and see.

Thanks for the mention. Hopefully ZOS will start giving meaningful feedback of their own. I can hope.

MornaBaine

No, don't ever add these into the game.

jeevin wrote: »

@JimT722 came up with a very valid point in the PTS CC thread. These Crown Crates are being sold to us as consumable crates with a chance of getting an exclusive.

Matt Firor: The concept of Crown Crates is pretty easy: for a 400 crown purchase, you get a crate full of consumables as well as a chance at customization and convenience items. Crown Crates are obtainable exclusively in the Crown Store, and the consumables they contain are the same ones that you are probably already purchasing directly in the Crown Store. The difference is that you have a chance to get additional items in a Crown Crate – the same items that are on sale in the Crown Store. There is also a rarer chance to receive a discontinued limited-time-offer Crown Store item. The rarest items are Crown-Crate only items that we will cycle out every quarter or so for a new set.

It's bollocks

Gina posts the proposed changes

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »
Hi everyone, here’s where we are with Crown Crates:

We put systems on the PTS for player feedback for a reason – we have sifted (and continue to analyze) your feedback on Crown Crates, and as such, we’re going to make at least the following changes to the system before it goes live later this year:
We are working to change the way the system works to ensure that you get higher tiered items more often.
We will allow you to convert unwanted Crown Crate consumables into Crown Gems. This way, you won’t be stuck with consumables you may not want, and you will also have more Gems to purchase the items that you do want.
We will also take another look at Crown Crate potions, food, XP scrolls, etc. with an eye towards boosting their effectiveness and/or duration. This may entail us adding new recipes to allow crafters to make similar items.
We may well find other changes we want to make as well, and will let everyone know what we have done when this initial round of changes are in and can test them internally.

I highlight the line Crown Crate consumables into gems. It really contradicts Firor's sell.

Yes it does. As has been pointed out in this thread numerous times... almost no one buys the crown store consumables. Why would you? In some ways this is just a way to GET people to buy them so they can claim they sell I think. And players have STILL gone, "Nope. Don't want them."

Tandor

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

kevlarto_ESO wrote: »

After spending my crowns on PTS along with my terrible luck, I am not worried about them at all, I will not be buying any.

I got one mount, one dog, lots potions, a dress it gave me over and over when I went to spend my stones I did not have enough to buy anything out of the store for when you get duplicates felt a little cheated on this, but there was nothing that I would consider p2w nothing that made me a god amongst noobs, other than spending money they are pretty much harmless.

Agreed. A mountain and a molehill spring to mind.

nimander99

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Tandor wrote: »

kevlarto_ESO wrote: »

After spending my crowns on PTS along with my terrible luck, I am not worried about them at all, I will not be buying any.

I got one mount, one dog, lots potions, a dress it gave me over and over when I went to spend my stones I did not have enough to buy anything out of the store for when you get duplicates felt a little cheated on this, but there was nothing that I would consider p2w nothing that made me a god amongst noobs, other than spending money they are pretty much harmless.

Agreed. A mountain and a molehill spring to mind.

So, say, just entertain this idea for a moment, please. Say the enjoyment I get out of the game is exploring the world, collecting outfits, costumes, sets, mounts etc. Then suddenly the best of those will be locked behind gambling...

How would you feel if your favorite aspect about online gaming was locked behind an additional paywall of gambling?

What if you had to pay 200 Crowns to enter a Battleground when they come? And you weren't guaranteed to enter the battleground you wanted? Or what if you had to pay crowns to enter a random dungeon? It would be lame right?