What do you think of Crown Store Random boxes/Lottery box?

nimander99

No, don't ever add these into the game.

The community has resoundingly rejected these Crown Boxes. For every one person saying "Hey cool" there's 50 against. Go to reddit and see how people really feel. Go to youtube and watch videos against these box's... Well, Deltia put about the nicest spin possible, but what would you expect, he makes his living off this game. If it tanks cause these crown boxes he's out of a job (kinda like his old swtor stuff that stopped when crates came to that game).

I guarantee you content creators are doo'ing their collective pants right now and looking for the nearest out. They know from experience that when systems like this hit mmo's the communities become divided and extremely toxic. Fandom dries up, people flame, ideas and inspiration reach Gobi Desert levels, no Gidorick's posting cool ideas. Older Scrolls sites will stop even counting ESO as Scrolls game.

A cosmetic item that looks unique and cool is just as important as the best weapon or armor, and game dev's know this otherwise there would be no such thing as a market for cosmetics. ZOS is putting a cosmetic gambling system in game with amazing animations, now tell me, with all that effort, where do you think ZOS thinks their money comes from? PVP players and Dungeon runners oooooooooooor casual collectors. You figure it out people, yer smert.

JamilaRaj

Yes but I just want it to be pay to win items, plus cosmetics

hagermanj wrote: »

I just don't understand how not playing the game is voting with your wallets. You can still play the game and not buy anything.

By still playing, even if you do not buy anything, you however help to keep lively environment for those who will eventually back the game up with money; they can make friends with you, be your enemies, play with you, play against.
Moreover you amplify value both fluff and power bought for cash have to these players, because the less people have a cool mount or costume, the more cool it is, and obviously bought advantage is an advantage only as long as there are players without it; you just make it more appealing for others to pay.
You either pay with money, or with being in part free, in part irreplacable content for whales. If you do not want to participate in continuation of ZOS's sick business methods, i.e. do not want to be an accomplice in scamming others and yourself, you not only have to stop throwing money at them, you have to quit.

lordrichter wrote: »

Just pulling out the crystal ball, I do expect that they will pull back from quarterly DLC to twice per year pretty soon. They will have nice sounding reasons, like the "letting the game breathe" one that they used a while back. They will also transition to F2P for the "end of life" game phase. In this phase, they won't be doing regular patches and updates, so the game will be "as-is".

They are surprisingly (to me at least) persistent in keeping box fee though. I can imagine they did the math and concluded that fewer players trying the game out, but guaranteed to pay at least box fee, are worth it, or perhaps that players deterred by box fee would not spend well anyway.

jedtb16_ESO

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

hagermanj wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

FireCowCommando wrote: »

With One Tamriel ZoS is bringing the community together.

I am seeing that end game PvE community who enjoys trials is up in arms over the changes to BoE/BoP along with an increase in the resistances to trash mobs, making it take longer.

The community that enjoys the fluff and roleplay offered through the crown store is enraged over crown crates, and how the housing system will soon be dealt with.

And the PvP community... well they have been upset for years, for many reasons.

Aww your really bringing us all together!

We will now all suffer

Literally laughed out loud. You're kinda right. Lol

But fortunately enough there is a very simple remedy for the whole problem - to stay away from this game, just like I do it now for about a month and it is not even hard at all. I do not need this game and I especially do not need Zenimax - this was the last game I ever bought from them - even I love Fallout and such, I will never again buy a game from the Zenimax group.

Vote with your wallets.

I just don't understand how not playing the game is voting with your wallets. You can still play the game and not buy anything. I said in one of earlier posts, the people that say they will quitting the game because of the Crown Crates, I might be wrong, they were unhappy with the game long before the crates.

I hope that part of housing will be put behind the ESO+ wall.

imagine the game population is 1 million (for all the pedants out there this is just as an example - not an exact description of the game at this moment)

700 000 of them decide they are not happy with some change made - and say they will not spend money on said change.

there are still a million people playing. so no one takes too much notice.

but if those 700k stop playing......

i would imagine there would be several changes of underwear required amongst the marketing and development teams.

Jackey

No, don't ever add these into the game.

This game is taking up way too much space on my PS4 anyways...

GhostwalkerLD

No, don't ever add these into the game.

nimander99 wrote: »

The community has resoundingly rejected these Crown Boxes. For every one person saying "Hey cool" there's 50 against. Go to reddit and see how people really feel. Go to youtube and watch videos against these box's... Well, Deltia put about the nicest spin possible, but what would you expect, he makes his living off this game. If it tanks cause these crown boxes he's out of a job (kinda like his old swtor stuff that stopped when crates came to that game).

I guarantee you content creators are doo'ing their collective pants right now and looking for the nearest out. They know from experience that when systems like this hit mmo's the communities become divided and extremely toxic. Fandom dries up, people flame, ideas and inspiration reach Gobi Desert levels, no Gidorick's posting cool ideas. Older Scrolls sites will stop even counting ESO as Scrolls game.

A cosmetic item that looks unique and cool is just as important as the best weapon or armor, and game dev's know this otherwise there would be no such thing as a market for cosmetics. ZOS is putting a cosmetic gambling system in game with amazing animations, now tell me, with all that effort, where do you think ZOS thinks their money comes from? PVP players and Dungeon runners oooooooooooor casual collectors. You figure it out people, yer smert.

Well said. >.<

Acrolas

I got one five-card draw and all the four-card draws felt like even crappier purchases.

Gotta love a system that defeats itself. But hey, crown crates will make PTS a little more fun to play on. Risk free toys and bugs that will never get fixed? SOLD.

SilentRaven1972

No, don't ever add these into the game.

As I said in the PTS thread, it kinda feels like they are gearing up to make ESO a F2P game. There is just something nagging, scratching around in my head, that says this is what will happen. I just can't put my finger on it

JimT722

No, don't ever add these into the game.

SilentRaven1972 wrote: »

As I said in the PTS thread, it kinda feels like they are gearing up to make ESO a F2P game. There is just something nagging, scratching around in my head, that says this is what will happen. I just can't put my finger on it

At this point, I find it hard to see the difference between eso and f2p games. With the exception of the initial purchase of course. Wether they keep it b2p or are indeed trying to prepare for f2p, their changes will undoubtedly suck the enjoyment out of this game. I don't believe the game is doing bad, they are just getting very greedy.

arasysb14_ESO

No, don't ever add these into the game.

I agree with @JamilaRaj.

I don't want to sound dramatic, but it feels like ZOS pulled the plug for some of us since game suddenly lost its depth and trustworthiness with this move. I opened the launcher few times this week and realized I have no motivation left to log on except for making enough gold to keep myself in trade guilds. But then.. there's a good chance in-game gold won't even be useful for housing or some of the other content they were planning to introduce anyway. For RPG fans, cheapening game's essential systems for sake of introducing in-game ways to rip off your customers kills good chunk of the immersion.

Just look at new monster helms' looks, and consider how much effort was put in them... then please compare the amount of their detail to an atronach mount or other new exclusive items. New monster helms require players to do something challenging in the game instead of paying real money, yet they look like result of an afterthought effort by comparison. This is the type of mentality that kills the motivation in my opinion. It signals that game's content won't be promising acceptable level of returns for ZOS, meaning they know their DLCs are going to be cookie-cutters.

They opened another "official" discussion thread about this as if this thread doesn't exist, and they are letting people vent there without even replying to useful feedback. Reminds me of Sorcerer Feedback PTS thread we had this summer. But this time we are not talking about in game balance though, we are talking about how we feel utterly pushed away by extreme greed that cannibalizes the quality and longevity of the game for us.

In game problems, bugs, years long cheating (which was reported way back in beta), and other issues were bothersome yet endurable for TES fans; but now it feels like we are cheated by ZOS. Their actions are not only signaling worsening quality of service, but also lack of integrity, which is crucial for customers.

Following EA Bioware's SWTOR footsteps won't get ZOS so far with ESO, and they started to hurt TES brand image for real. I bet they will publish remaining few zones over 2+ years depending on launch date for TES VI while milking their product as best as they can.

I guess Bethesda will need extra marketing to bring disillusioned people back because people are already at a level where they are questioning whether ZOS would change the drop rates for RNG boxes. Guess who doesn't trust ZOS anymore? definitely not Pacrooti.

Isbilen

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Ugh, I'll have to stop using my Palomino horse so people don't laugh at me and think I'm a sucker who bought in to this scheme now

MissBizz

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Isbilen wrote: »

Ugh, I'll have to stop using my Palomino horse so people don't laugh at me and think I'm a sucker who bought in to this scheme now

@Isbilen Try Palomino, Frost, and Clouded Senche Their slimming down my selection here.

Abeille

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

MissBizz wrote: »

Isbilen wrote: »

Ugh, I'll have to stop using my Palomino horse so people don't laugh at me and think I'm a sucker who bought in to this scheme now

@Isbilen Try Palomino, Frost, and Clouded Senche Their slimming down my selection here.

Palomino, Clouded Senche and the High-Collared Coin Ball Gown for me

wayfarerx

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

MissBizz wrote: »

Isbilen wrote: »

Ugh, I'll have to stop using my Palomino horse so people don't laugh at me and think I'm a sucker who bought in to this scheme now

Isbilen Try Palomino, Frost, and Clouded Senche Their slimming down my selection here.

One of these days they'll put my beloved Black-Senche Panther in there and I will

Slurg

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

SilentRaven1972 wrote: »

As I said in the PTS thread, it kinda feels like they are gearing up to make ESO a F2P game. There is just something nagging, scratching around in my head, that says this is what will happen. I just can't put my finger on it

They're busy selling One Tamriel and Guilds and Glory right now, but by spring all bets are off. (Or they would be if I was into gambling.)

If the details someone posted over in that other thread are correct, it could be the fact that they hired someone with a track record of F2P conversion in another MMO as the head of marketing. People have been spreading rumors about F2P since the beginning but that information is a bit chilling. In general, most people hired into leadership roles are there to help the company achieve its goals.

Or it could be a sense of deja vu from all the other games that have gone that route scratching around in your head.

Elsonso

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

SilentRaven1972 wrote: »

As I said in the PTS thread, it kinda feels like they are gearing up to make ESO a F2P game. There is just something nagging, scratching around in my head, that says this is what will happen. I just can't put my finger on it

I am also of the opinion that ESO is headed Free 2 Play, in the sense that all one needs to do is create an account then just jump right in the game. No purchase required.

1. It is the best way to make the biggest bang for the Crown Crates. No bars blocking access to them. Crown Store is a great way to fleece F2P players who like the game, and Crown Crates are the Big Thing in the Crown Store for the next few months.
2. ESO will not be developed forever. ZOS will want to go off and do something else. DLC/Updates will become more infrequent as they look longingly at the new shiny they want to make. F2P is how they can do that without setting expectations that the game is being maintained. It frees up ZOS to move the remaining developers off ESO.

I think the only thing holding them to B2P right now is inertia. I figure they already have it in their long term plan. If Gold does not sell like they want it to, they will jump on F2P in the next year.

Korah_Eaglecry

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

The one thing I really liked about this game was that it pulled me in and made me feel like I was stepping foot into Tamriel whenever I logged on. The only other MMO to do that for me was WoW. And even WoW didnt get the grip on me like ESO did. This is the first game Ive ever made more than one character or kept up with more than one. Ive never been an altaholic. But I not only made multiple characters. I invested not just my time but my money into each character.

What Ive seen these types of gambling mechanisms do to other games is turn them into Carnivals and Online Amusement Parks. It becomes more about the new flashy toy and collectible than the world building. We saw the beginnings of that with the Dro m'Athra mount. I dont think this game is going to die because of this change. Not in the financial manner, but it will lose its soul to this. The resources will go to the gambling boxes more and more and the updates and content, like Imperial City/Orsinium/Thieves Guild/Dark Brotherhood will be few and far between.

I really hope Im wrong. But we were at a time told about DLCs months out. And since August we have no idea when some sort of Orsinium like content will be coming. All we know about is what theyre slapping price tags on.

dodgehopper_ESO

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

The one thing I really liked about this game was that it pulled me in and made me feel like I was stepping foot into Tamriel whenever I logged on. The only other MMO to do that for me was WoW. And even WoW didnt get the grip on me like ESO did. This is the first game Ive ever made more than one character or kept up with more than one. Ive never been an altaholic. But I not only made multiple characters. I invested not just my time but my money into each character.

What Ive seen these types of gambling mechanisms do to other games is turn them into Carnivals and Online Amusement Parks. It becomes more about the new flashy toy and collectible than the world building. We saw the beginnings of that with the Dro m'Athra mount. I dont think this game is going to die because of this change. Not in the financial manner, but it will lose its soul to this. The resources will go to the gambling boxes more and more and the updates and content, like Imperial City/Orsinium/Thieves Guild/Dark Brotherhood will be few and far between.

I really hope Im wrong. But we were at a time told about DLCs months out. And since August we have no idea when some sort of Orsinium like content will be coming. All we know about is what theyre slapping price tags on.

YES YES YES YES YES!!!

This is my concern as well. I've played other MMO's with seriousness before, and I have been disappointed multiple times. In all honesty I was done with the whole Genre before they were saying an Elder Scrolls was going to be released as an MMO. They had my trust because of their past body of work. I will say that more and more the techniques they choose to use for their business are concerning. How is it possible that other games can release beautiful content (like Fallout) for 10 dollars or 25 dollars here and there, but it becomes a MMO and suddenly you get nickeled and dimed for essentially garbage. Simultaneously, the wonder of the game gets killed off because nothing you earn yourself feels worthwhile. The content itself is droll, and the rewards get promoted by nauseating repetition. I ENJOY doing Heists and DB contracts/sacs. I'm hopeful though that they'll continue to expand on these missions, and that they'll make other more heroic tasks and repeatables. They need to give LIFE to the game, not just magical shiny horses and a newer fancier Brassiere or pantaloons. Don't get me wrong I like the recent epic patriarch beard. I like a lot of the artwork they're doing, but I'm concerned they're going to forget the heart and core of the game. For goodness sake if they want to make a bunch of money off of a phone app, why don't they just do that? It seems like Phone APP players love to overspend on knickknacks.

jedtb16_ESO

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

The one thing I really liked about this game was that it pulled me in and made me feel like I was stepping foot into Tamriel whenever I logged on. The only other MMO to do that for me was WoW. And even WoW didnt get the grip on me like ESO did. This is the first game Ive ever made more than one character or kept up with more than one. Ive never been an altaholic. But I not only made multiple characters. I invested not just my time but my money into each character.

What Ive seen these types of gambling mechanisms do to other games is turn them into Carnivals and Online Amusement Parks. It becomes more about the new flashy toy and collectible than the world building. We saw the beginnings of that with the Dro m'Athra mount. I dont think this game is going to die because of this change. Not in the financial manner, but it will lose its soul to this. The resources will go to the gambling boxes more and more and the updates and content, like Imperial City/Orsinium/Thieves Guild/Dark Brotherhood will be few and far between.

I really hope Im wrong. But we were at a time told about DLCs months out. And since August we have no idea when some sort of Orsinium like content will be coming. All we know about is what theyre slapping price tags on.

yes. i felt the same way about lotro for a while. swtor really gripped me all eight to the max. then.... now this.

ok, that's the dismal stuff. point me to the next big thing.

Dromede

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Abeille wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

Isbilen wrote: »

Ugh, I'll have to stop using my Palomino horse so people don't laugh at me and think I'm a sucker who bought in to this scheme now

@Isbilen Try Palomino, Frost, and Clouded Senche Their slimming down my selection here.

Palomino, Clouded Senche and the High-Collared Coin Ball Gown for me

And they didn't even bother fixing clipping issue with the coin belt or whatever it is that goes down the skirt, it keeps clipping into the dress Remember how people were hopeful that devs took items down to remake them and bring them back when they are fixed?

Silly, naive us

RomansXXI

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

The trash rate on the items in the crate is ridiculous. No one wants or needs the potions. Sure a little mount speed upgrade or an exp scroll is a little useful but even these are ridiculously hard to get. Only 10 gems in return for a 1200 crown mount? And the minimal reward costs 16 gems? The main prize is 400 gems, you would need to spend over $500 to get a 50% chance to get the good stuff. Please ZOS don't let these crown crates go live! Take a closer look at the numbers and even things out. And for gods sake remove the damn potions at the current rate it is 95% potion and 5% unique items. This is a disaster !

VerboseQuips

No, don't ever add these into the game.

MissBizz wrote: »

VerboseQuips wrote: »

I just realized that the Crown Crates will also be pulled out of the Store when the new theme will arrive. I thus added a new paragraph to my long comment above. Because it was obviously not long enough.

Didn't they say that no item would be pulled out of the Gem store? I think I remember an interview of someone saying this but I don't remember well.

@VerboseQuips I remember quite the opposite. That they said items would rotate through the gem store (hence, seasons). Working on getting my Day 2 video up so don't have time to hunt for it right now though, sorry.

You're right, I don't know how I could be so wrong. I guess my anger made me see them a bit darker than they were.

Abeille

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

Dromede wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

Isbilen wrote: »

Ugh, I'll have to stop using my Palomino horse so people don't laugh at me and think I'm a sucker who bought in to this scheme now

@Isbilen Try Palomino, Frost, and Clouded Senche Their slimming down my selection here.

Palomino, Clouded Senche and the High-Collared Coin Ball Gown for me

And they didn't even bother fixing clipping issue with the coin belt or whatever it is that goes down the skirt, it keeps clipping into the dress Remember how people were hopeful that devs took items down to remake them and bring them back when they are fixed?

Silly, naive us

I actually think the chest deformation is even worse on the PTS right now. But since I didn't get it from the boxes yet, I could only preview it.

Dromede

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Abeille wrote: »

Dromede wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

Isbilen wrote: »

Ugh, I'll have to stop using my Palomino horse so people don't laugh at me and think I'm a sucker who bought in to this scheme now

@Isbilen Try Palomino, Frost, and Clouded Senche Their slimming down my selection here.

Palomino, Clouded Senche and the High-Collared Coin Ball Gown for me

And they didn't even bother fixing clipping issue with the coin belt or whatever it is that goes down the skirt, it keeps clipping into the dress Remember how people were hopeful that devs took items down to remake them and bring them back when they are fixed?

Silly, naive us

I actually think the chest deformation is even worse on the PTS right now. But since I didn't get it from the boxes yet, I could only preview it.

I only checked it on a male Altmer, so can't speak for how female chest looks in that dress now... Those coins on the belt though are clipping 100% sure.

Felling like a cash cow a little now. Lol who knew this game could provoke me so much

MissBizz

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Dromede wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

Dromede wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

Isbilen wrote: »

Ugh, I'll have to stop using my Palomino horse so people don't laugh at me and think I'm a sucker who bought in to this scheme now

@Isbilen Try Palomino, Frost, and Clouded Senche Their slimming down my selection here.

Palomino, Clouded Senche and the High-Collared Coin Ball Gown for me

And they didn't even bother fixing clipping issue with the coin belt or whatever it is that goes down the skirt, it keeps clipping into the dress Remember how people were hopeful that devs took items down to remake them and bring them back when they are fixed?

Silly, naive us

I actually think the chest deformation is even worse on the PTS right now. But since I didn't get it from the boxes yet, I could only preview it.

I only checked it on a male Altmer, so can't speak for how female chest looks in that dress now... Those coins on the belt though are clipping 100% sure.

Felling like a cash cow a little now. Lol who knew this game could provoke me so much

Not sure if it's worse (I have the ball gown on live and pts) but it's just a random template so hard to compare.

Holycannoli

SilentRaven1972 wrote: »

As I said in the PTS thread, it kinda feels like they are gearing up to make ESO a F2P game. There is just something nagging, scratching around in my head, that says this is what will happen. I just can't put my finger on it

It's called experience. We all know f2p is coming, sooner or later.

arasysb14_ESO wrote: »

I agree with @JamilaRaj.

I don't want to sound dramatic, but it feels like ZOS pulled the plug for some of us since game suddenly lost its depth and trustworthiness with this move. I opened the launcher few times this week and realized I have no motivation left to log on except for making enough gold to keep myself in trade guilds. But then.. there's a good chance in-game gold won't even be useful for housing or some of the other content they were planning to introduce anyway. For RPG fans, cheapening game's essential systems for sake of introducing in-game ways to rip off your customers kills good chunk of the immersion.

The moment I heard the barbershop was turned into a cash shop transaction I knew housing was going to be extremely cash shop-centric. I had high hopes for housing before that; now I couldn't care less. I want no part of it.

You've logged in to make gold to stay in guilds, I haven't logged in at all and am probably kicked out of all my guilds for inactivity. And you know what? I don't care. I really don't. This game is really close to no longer being on my hard drive. I have absolutely zero motivation to log in let alone play. I was a beta tester and was impressed enough to preorder the imperial edition and sub the entire time right up until b2p, and the game was good - buggy but good. Now I don't even want to log in. I don't even want to keep it installed.

This game used to have integrity. Even when it went b2p with a cash shop it still had integrity. But at some point the bean counters in suits told the devs the game isn't making enough money so to hell with integrity, they must develop gambling boxes and other total rip offs to satisfy investors and executives' pay.

The old days of paying a subscription and getting a complete experience are gone People always say the f2p model is so much better than the subscription model but I have yet to see a f2p MMORPG that retained its integrity. It's not quite as bad as those f2p games for your phone but it's bad.

SlayerTheDragon

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

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KingYogi415

No, don't ever add these into the game.

RIP ESO

I can feel the heart and soul begin to be ripped apart for profit.

JKorr

No, don't ever add these into the game.

PTS; Third day buying all the crates you can for 5500 crowns.

I got one of the atronach mounts that I didn't want.

Dozens of potions/food I will never use. [when they started the crown store, I bought 1 of the food/drink things to see whether it was worth it; it wasn't, and I haven't bought another since] The experience stuff is pointless for me; my characters are in the mid 300s for cp points and making it to 501 isn't a burning desire for me.

Got every hat that I will never use, plus a few dups.

Got the "hairstyles" for Argonians. I have no argonians and don't plan to play any.

after all of it, I have 43 gems for the dups. The clouded leopard senche I would be willing to spend 5000 crowns for outright costs 400 gems. Only 10 more days of spending 5500 crowns a day to MAYBE get enough gems for dups to buy the senche.

And that is if it remains in the gem store long enough. They already said the items in the gem store will be rotated out.

If I see anyone in game with the stuff from the crates, I won't be thinking "Whoa, cool.", I'll be thinking "Gee, wonder how much money that sap shelled out for that shiny?"

SilentRaven1972

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Even though many of us thought we had defeated him, Molag Bal has won. He has taken the soul of ESO, and I don't think we'll be able to rescue it

MissBizz

No, don't ever add these into the game.

On my third day of gambling Pacrooti gave to me...

Nothing worth mentioning. Not an atro mount, but now I have enough gems to buy 1 legendary item. (I have not had a legendary or apex mount drop for me yet). I have also never seen this mystical fifth card.

At this point the game feels punishing.