What do you think of Crown Store Random boxes/Lottery box?

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

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RomansXXI wrote: »

The trash rate on the items in the crate is ridiculous. No one wants or needs the potions. Sure a little mount speed upgrade or an exp scroll is a little useful but even these are ridiculously hard to get. Only 10 gems in return for a 1200 crown mount? And the minimal reward costs 16 gems? The main prize is 400 gems, you would need to spend over $500 to get a 50% chance to get the good stuff. Please ZOS don't let these crown crates go live! Take a closer look at the numbers and even things out. And for gods sake remove the damn potions at the current rate it is 95% potion and 5% unique items. This is a disaster !

This is exactly what I have expected for the PTS, but I guess the actual live version will even be worse - ninja-adjusted.

Browiseth

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

The crown crates make me think of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fa7TcdabUiE
Hey, from what I've seen the average loot in them doesn't seem much better.

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

These boxes are a scam scheme - if you expect something different, you will be disappointed. F2P games have been using this, because they can make more money with it than with P2P - that is why so many games are F2P - they have a larger audience, which they can scam with schemes like this. To see this happening with the Elder Scrolls franchise is truely sad. Zenimax has lost my respect, even Bethesda.

Pangnirtung

If the drop rate is as bad as predicted word will get out pretty fast that they are a money pit and to avoid them.

As always, vote with your dollar.

If you buy junk repeatedly there is no reason for the supplier to change their business model.

Junk? Don't buy it. They will see it reflected in their lack of sales.

jedtb16_ESO

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Pangnirtung wrote: »

If the drop rate is as bad as predicted word will get out pretty fast that they are a money pit and to avoid them.

As always, vote with your dollar.

If you buy junk repeatedly there is no reason for the supplier to change their business model.

Junk? Don't buy it. They will see it reflected in their lack of sales.

damn.... we don't have dollars here.....

guess we are ****** then.

Esquire1980g_ESO

No, don't ever add these into the game.

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Pangnirtung wrote: »

If the drop rate is as bad as predicted word will get out pretty fast that they are a money pit and to avoid them.

As always, vote with your dollar.

If you buy junk repeatedly there is no reason for the supplier to change their business model.

Junk? Don't buy it. They will see it reflected in their lack of sales.

damn.... we don't have dollars here.....

guess we are ****** then.

But, you do have dollars here and many of them is what the ZOS gamble is all about. You have a virtual currency that is ONLY received by dollars, and that is what these crates/exclusive items are purchased via. Might as well be dollars as the end result.

Acrolas

The problem ZOS didn't even think about is that I've lost enthusiasm for the 'rewards' I've already received on PTS.
That includes the red wolf I was ready to get during its limited weekend. Which means I'll probably skip the white wolf, too.

In trying to make something special, they've made nothing special. All thanks to treading into impulse buy territory.

It's already bad enough that character customization is one of the last fun things to do in the game. Instead of embracing that by making new features and game packs that allow you to really personalize your characters into anything you visualize it as being, they've exploited it as their last ditch effort to make money without creating wholly unique and engaging content.

jedtb16_ESO

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Esquire1980g_ESO wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Pangnirtung wrote: »

If the drop rate is as bad as predicted word will get out pretty fast that they are a money pit and to avoid them.

As always, vote with your dollar.

If you buy junk repeatedly there is no reason for the supplier to change their business model.

Junk? Don't buy it. They will see it reflected in their lack of sales.

damn.... we don't have dollars here.....

guess we are ****** then.

But, you do have dollars here and many of them is what the ZOS gamble is all about. You have a virtual currency that is ONLY received by dollars, and that is what these crates/exclusive items are purchased via. Might as well be dollars as the end result.

humour..... have you heard of it?

Inhuman003

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Don't like Crown Store Random boxes, if the boxes are balance with gems then it'll be okay

Korah_Eaglecry

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

What Id like to know is how many approached this as being a good thing and now that theyve used it in PTS have decided otherwise.

nimander99

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

What Id like to know is how many approached this as being a good thing and now that theyve used it in PTS have decided otherwise.

If you read the PTS thread it would appear that a lot of folks have decided this isn't snowflakes and cherries.

Solid_Metal

No, don't ever add these into the game.

i don't mind it, but its a *** practice, especially with such high price of 400 crown

next thing you know, every piece on crown store will be ONLY available on the crate, mark my words

Bouldercleave

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

nimander99 wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

What Id like to know is how many approached this as being a good thing and now that theyve used it in PTS have decided otherwise.

If you read the PTS thread it would appear that a lot of folks have decided this isn't snowflakes and cherries.

YOU CAN GET SNOWFLAKES AND CHERRIES??!??! Sign me up!

In reality, it looks like the community is pretty much dead set against these things - I'll bet they sell like hot cakes anyway.

That is something that I'll never understand - people complain and complain, but when these go live, those same people will buy tons of them immediately and it will (at least in the short term) considered a wild success.

Then people will complain that what they got in the crate was crappy KNOWING that they are going to suck.

There is only one option here if you don't like the concept of these crates and what is in them - don't spend the crowns. That is why I voted yes, because in truth I simply don't care what you do with your money. Me? I'm just not going to buy one because all the fluff in the world will not make me a better player or make me feel better about my toon or myself.

Korah_Eaglecry

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Bouldercleave wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

What Id like to know is how many approached this as being a good thing and now that theyve used it in PTS have decided otherwise.

If you read the PTS thread it would appear that a lot of folks have decided this isn't snowflakes and cherries.

YOU CAN GET SNOWFLAKES AND CHERRIES??!??! Sign me up!

In reality, it looks like the community is pretty much dead set against these things - I'll bet they sell like hot cakes anyway.

That is something that I'll never understand - people complain and complain, but when these go live, those same people will buy tons of them immediately and it will (at least in the short term) considered a wild success.

Then people will complain that what they got in the crate was crappy KNOWING that they are going to suck.

There is only one option here if you don't like the concept of these crates and what is in them - don't spend the crowns. That is why I voted yes, because in truth I simply don't care what you do with your money. Me? I'm just not going to buy one because all the fluff in the world will not make me a better player or make me feel better about my toon or myself.

While some may turn to the forums and complain and then buy what they complained about. Most people buying something a portion of the community was against never even visited the forums.

Theres far more people that dont look at ESOs Facebook Page, Twitter or come here that play this game. And a lot of them havent a clue about Crown Gems.

jedtb16_ESO

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

What Id like to know is how many approached this as being a good thing and now that theyve used it in PTS have decided otherwise.

i approached this, as you can see, as an i don't mind as long as it is just cosmetic. i had no intention, prior to them landing on the pts, of buying any. neither my experience on the pts nor anything said since has changed my view.

JimT722

No, don't ever add these into the game.

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

What Id like to know is how many approached this as being a good thing and now that theyve used it in PTS have decided otherwise.

i approached this, as you can see, as an i don't mind as long as it is just cosmetic. i had no intention, prior to them landing on the pts, of buying any. neither my experience on the pts nor anything said since has changed my view.

It seems that most players okay with the boxes don't care because they don't buy cosmetics. they won't buy the crates. @ZOS_GinaBruno why can't we support you by buying only the items we want. We don't want consumables. We don't want to gamble. We don't want housing with these on the way. Those of us currently supporting you don't want crown crates.

jedtb16_ESO

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

JimT722 wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

What Id like to know is how many approached this as being a good thing and now that theyve used it in PTS have decided otherwise.

i approached this, as you can see, as an i don't mind as long as it is just cosmetic. i had no intention, prior to them landing on the pts, of buying any. neither my experience on the pts nor anything said since has changed my view.

It seems that most players okay with the boxes don't care because they don't buy cosmetics. they won't buy the crates. @ZOS_GinaBruno why can't we support you by buying only the items we want. We don't want consumables. We don't want to gamble. We don't want housing with these on the way. Those of us currently supporting you don't want crown crates.

what do you mean by 'those of us currently supporting you...'?

Korah_Eaglecry

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

What Id like to know is how many approached this as being a good thing and now that theyve used it in PTS have decided otherwise.

i approached this, as you can see, as an i don't mind as long as it is just cosmetic. i had no intention, prior to them landing on the pts, of buying any. neither my experience on the pts nor anything said since has changed my view.

I wonder if youve taken into consideration its impact on future content. What will be withheld to be placed in these crates? What will take longer to roll out for us to explore and play through because they needed to focus on the next Crate Season?

Its easy to look at this and not really see much wrong with it on the surface. Because on the surface its just 400 crowns and a chance to win some shiny. Quite easy to say, do as you wish with your money. And believe me I have that attitude towards what others wish to do with their money. But this will impact the creation of future content. And that impacts all of us.

JimT722

No, don't ever add these into the game.

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

JimT722 wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

What Id like to know is how many approached this as being a good thing and now that theyve used it in PTS have decided otherwise.

i approached this, as you can see, as an i don't mind as long as it is just cosmetic. i had no intention, prior to them landing on the pts, of buying any. neither my experience on the pts nor anything said since has changed my view.

It seems that most players okay with the boxes don't care because they don't buy cosmetics. they won't buy the crates. @ZOS_GinaBruno why can't we support you by buying only the items we want. We don't want consumables. We don't want to gamble. We don't want housing with these on the way. Those of us currently supporting you don't want crown crates.

what do you mean by 'those of us currently supporting you...'?

that the people who spend money in support either don't want cosmetics or don't want to gamble. Not meant to be a personal attack.

jedtb16_ESO

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

What Id like to know is how many approached this as being a good thing and now that theyve used it in PTS have decided otherwise.

i approached this, as you can see, as an i don't mind as long as it is just cosmetic. i had no intention, prior to them landing on the pts, of buying any. neither my experience on the pts nor anything said since has changed my view.

I wonder if youve taken into consideration its impact on future content. What will be withheld to be placed in these crates? What will take longer to roll out for us to explore and play through because they needed to focus on the next Crate Season?

Its easy to look at this and not really see much wrong with it on the surface. Because on the surface its just 400 crowns and a chance to win some shiny. Quite easy to say, do as you wish with your money. And believe me I have that attitude towards what others wish to do with their money. But this will impact the creation of future content. And that impacts all of us.

in answer to your questions....

i have no more idea than you do. nor am i going to guess, or speculate or get hysterical about it.

will things change? yes.

do i, or you or anyone else outside of zos and affiliates, know what that change will be? no.

what i do know is that i am enjoying what is offered at the moment and when that changes i will go elsewhere.

such is the history of online games...

jedtb16_ESO

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

JimT722 wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

JimT722 wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

What Id like to know is how many approached this as being a good thing and now that theyve used it in PTS have decided otherwise.

i approached this, as you can see, as an i don't mind as long as it is just cosmetic. i had no intention, prior to them landing on the pts, of buying any. neither my experience on the pts nor anything said since has changed my view.

It seems that most players okay with the boxes don't care because they don't buy cosmetics. they won't buy the crates. @ZOS_GinaBruno why can't we support you by buying only the items we want. We don't want consumables. We don't want to gamble. We don't want housing with these on the way. Those of us currently supporting you don't want crown crates.

what do you mean by 'those of us currently supporting you...'?

that the people who spend money in support either don't want cosmetics or don't want to gamble. Not meant to be a personal attack.

ok...sorry if it came across as hostile - but this thread does get that way at times.

i don't buy cosmetics but i do support the game - eso+

i confess i do not get the cosmetics thing, never have, but i can see that it is a matter of concern for some. if i could change my vote to 'no, because it will upset a lot of people' i would. but that wasn't an option at the start.

and there is the other side of it (there is always another side)....... but i'm not going there because it will just set the thing rolling again and that horse has suffered enough abuse.

EQBallzz

No, don't ever add these into the game.

I see 116 pages later and jed is still white knighting this money grabbing sh!tshow. So you got casino boxes now...what will be next? Leveled up characters for sale? Sets of stat gear? Special weapons only found in boxes you need to purchase keys to open? You know it's coming. Gotta keep grabbin' that cash. Should change the name of this game to GCO (Greedy Cashcrabbers Online).

JimT722

No, don't ever add these into the game.

EQBallzz wrote: »

I see 116 pages later and jed is still white knighting this money grabbing sh!tshow. So you got casino boxes now...what will be next? Leveled up characters for sale? Sets of stat gear? Special weapons only found in boxes you need to purchase keys to open? You know it's coming. Gotta keep grabbin' that cash. Should change the name of this game to GCO (Greedy Cashcrabbers Online).

Unfortunately anything is possible with the implementation of these. What happens if they don't sell like they are hoping.

In every other game rng crates became the primary focus. It ruins the game. I have seen it from experience.

In the end it's just wrong. Why should people who want to spend money on cosmetics be ripped off.

Korah_Eaglecry

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

What Id like to know is how many approached this as being a good thing and now that theyve used it in PTS have decided otherwise.

i approached this, as you can see, as an i don't mind as long as it is just cosmetic. i had no intention, prior to them landing on the pts, of buying any. neither my experience on the pts nor anything said since has changed my view.

I wonder if youve taken into consideration its impact on future content. What will be withheld to be placed in these crates? What will take longer to roll out for us to explore and play through because they needed to focus on the next Crate Season?

Its easy to look at this and not really see much wrong with it on the surface. Because on the surface its just 400 crowns and a chance to win some shiny. Quite easy to say, do as you wish with your money. And believe me I have that attitude towards what others wish to do with their money. But this will impact the creation of future content. And that impacts all of us.

in answer to your questions....

i have no more idea than you do. nor am i going to guess, or speculate or get hysterical about it.

will things change? yes.

do i, or you or anyone else outside of zos and affiliates, know what that change will be? no.

what i do know is that i am enjoying what is offered at the moment and when that changes i will go elsewhere.

such is the history of online games...

Ive played enough MMOs with this sort of thing to know for a fact that the content will be impacted. Its not speculation. Their team is only so big. And when it comes to making content that will only make so much money versus shineys that will make money hand over fist. Theyll choose the shineys. Because a business will always choose what makes them more money in the short term. The current approach to quarterly and yearly earnings is to out do last quarter and last year. If youre not beating your last best record. Youre not doing well.

New regions of Tamriel take time and money to produce. 6+ months of development time according to ZOS. These mounts, costumes and other random things theyll put in there will take a fraction of that time.

JimT722

No, don't ever add these into the game.

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

JimT722 wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

JimT722 wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

What Id like to know is how many approached this as being a good thing and now that theyve used it in PTS have decided otherwise.

i approached this, as you can see, as an i don't mind as long as it is just cosmetic. i had no intention, prior to them landing on the pts, of buying any. neither my experience on the pts nor anything said since has changed my view.

It seems that most players okay with the boxes don't care because they don't buy cosmetics. they won't buy the crates. @ZOS_GinaBruno why can't we support you by buying only the items we want. We don't want consumables. We don't want to gamble. We don't want housing with these on the way. Those of us currently supporting you don't want crown crates.

what do you mean by 'those of us currently supporting you...'?

that the people who spend money in support either don't want cosmetics or don't want to gamble. Not meant to be a personal attack.

ok...sorry if it came across as hostile - but this thread does get that way at times.

i don't buy cosmetics but i do support the game - eso+

i confess i do not get the cosmetics thing, never have, but i can see that it is a matter of concern for some. if i could change my vote to 'no, because it will upset a lot of people' i would. but that wasn't an option at the start.

and there is the other side of it (there is always another side)....... but i'm not going there because it will just set the thing rolling again and that horse has suffered enough abuse.

It's okay, not everyone does. My brother is the same way. It has to do with the role playing part. I like collecting things for my character. My Argonian is going to want an Argonian house with suitable decorations. You probably can see why I would be worried about housing with crates coming.

I play just about every aspect of the game and these will hurt my enjoyment.

Not everyone plays for the same reasons and that's okay.

jedtb16_ESO

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

What Id like to know is how many approached this as being a good thing and now that theyve used it in PTS have decided otherwise.

i approached this, as you can see, as an i don't mind as long as it is just cosmetic. i had no intention, prior to them landing on the pts, of buying any. neither my experience on the pts nor anything said since has changed my view.

I wonder if youve taken into consideration its impact on future content. What will be withheld to be placed in these crates? What will take longer to roll out for us to explore and play through because they needed to focus on the next Crate Season?

Its easy to look at this and not really see much wrong with it on the surface. Because on the surface its just 400 crowns and a chance to win some shiny. Quite easy to say, do as you wish with your money. And believe me I have that attitude towards what others wish to do with their money. But this will impact the creation of future content. And that impacts all of us.

in answer to your questions....

i have no more idea than you do. nor am i going to guess, or speculate or get hysterical about it.

will things change? yes.

do i, or you or anyone else outside of zos and affiliates, know what that change will be? no.

what i do know is that i am enjoying what is offered at the moment and when that changes i will go elsewhere.

such is the history of online games...

Ive played enough MMOs with this sort of thing to know for a fact that the content will be impacted. Its not speculation. Their team is only so big. And when it comes to making content that will only make so much money versus shineys that will make money hand over fist. Theyll choose the shineys. Because a business will always choose what makes them more money in the short term. The current approach to quarterly and yearly earnings is to out do last quarter and last year. If youre not beating your last best record. Youre not doing well.

New regions of Tamriel take time and money to produce. 6+ months of development time according to ZOS. These mounts, costumes and other random things theyll put in there will take a fraction of that time.

so why did you vote 'yes' then?

wayfarerx

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

What Id like to know is how many approached this as being a good thing and now that theyve used it in PTS have decided otherwise.

i approached this, as you can see, as an i don't mind as long as it is just cosmetic. i had no intention, prior to them landing on the pts, of buying any. neither my experience on the pts nor anything said since has changed my view.

I wonder if youve taken into consideration its impact on future content. What will be withheld to be placed in these crates? What will take longer to roll out for us to explore and play through because they needed to focus on the next Crate Season?

Its easy to look at this and not really see much wrong with it on the surface. Because on the surface its just 400 crowns and a chance to win some shiny. Quite easy to say, do as you wish with your money. And believe me I have that attitude towards what others wish to do with their money. But this will impact the creation of future content. And that impacts all of us.

in answer to your questions....

i have no more idea than you do. nor am i going to guess, or speculate or get hysterical about it.

will things change? yes.

do i, or you or anyone else outside of zos and affiliates, know what that change will be? no.

what i do know is that i am enjoying what is offered at the moment and when that changes i will go elsewhere.

such is the history of online games...

Ive played enough MMOs with this sort of thing to know for a fact that the content will be impacted. Its not speculation. Their team is only so big. And when it comes to making content that will only make so much money versus shineys that will make money hand over fist. Theyll choose the shineys. Because a business will always choose what makes them more money in the short term. The current approach to quarterly and yearly earnings is to out do last quarter and last year. If youre not beating your last best record. Youre not doing well.

New regions of Tamriel take time and money to produce. 6+ months of development time according to ZOS. These mounts, costumes and other random things theyll put in there will take a fraction of that time.

so why did you vote 'yes' then?

This poll is very old and was made when the very first information about crown crates was released. I voted yes under the assumption that they would only contain items that had been removed from the store, not any of this crate-exclusive garbage. I imagine there are many people who wish they could change their vote in this poll.

Bouldercleave

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

What Id like to know is how many approached this as being a good thing and now that theyve used it in PTS have decided otherwise.

i approached this, as you can see, as an i don't mind as long as it is just cosmetic. i had no intention, prior to them landing on the pts, of buying any. neither my experience on the pts nor anything said since has changed my view.

I wonder if youve taken into consideration its impact on future content. What will be withheld to be placed in these crates? What will take longer to roll out for us to explore and play through because they needed to focus on the next Crate Season?

Its easy to look at this and not really see much wrong with it on the surface. Because on the surface its just 400 crowns and a chance to win some shiny. Quite easy to say, do as you wish with your money. And believe me I have that attitude towards what others wish to do with their money. But this will impact the creation of future content. And that impacts all of us.

in answer to your questions....

i have no more idea than you do. nor am i going to guess, or speculate or get hysterical about it.

will things change? yes.

do i, or you or anyone else outside of zos and affiliates, know what that change will be? no.

what i do know is that i am enjoying what is offered at the moment and when that changes i will go elsewhere.

such is the history of online games...

Ive played enough MMOs with this sort of thing to know for a fact that the content will be impacted. Its not speculation. Their team is only so big. And when it comes to making content that will only make so much money versus shineys that will make money hand over fist. Theyll choose the shineys. Because a business will always choose what makes them more money in the short term. The current approach to quarterly and yearly earnings is to out do last quarter and last year. If youre not beating your last best record. Youre not doing well.

New regions of Tamriel take time and money to produce. 6+ months of development time according to ZOS. These mounts, costumes and other random things theyll put in there will take a fraction of that time.

I agree 100%, but look at by their standpoint:

On the one hand, you can make as much return on your investment as quickly as possible KNOWING that the end user is more than likely going to leave as soon as the next shiny game comes out (there is as much history and experience in customer trends as there is history of the "evil" of the cash grab crates). OR:

On the other hand, you can dump money and resources into a long term player base that is fickle at BEST, and will STILL probably move on to the next shiny game comes along. Pitching this model to investors will take a level of salesmanship that frankly, I doubt they have.

As an investor, which model would you front the cash for - a quick 6 month to a year return on your investment, or a 4-5 year speculation that your money may be returned or may disappear?

I know that we all want to live in an idealistic, perfectly honest and transparent world - but the reality of it is that they have to answer to their investors, and investors do not like long term speculation over short term guaranteed returns.

Korah_Eaglecry

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Bouldercleave wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

What Id like to know is how many approached this as being a good thing and now that theyve used it in PTS have decided otherwise.

i approached this, as you can see, as an i don't mind as long as it is just cosmetic. i had no intention, prior to them landing on the pts, of buying any. neither my experience on the pts nor anything said since has changed my view.

I wonder if youve taken into consideration its impact on future content. What will be withheld to be placed in these crates? What will take longer to roll out for us to explore and play through because they needed to focus on the next Crate Season?

Its easy to look at this and not really see much wrong with it on the surface. Because on the surface its just 400 crowns and a chance to win some shiny. Quite easy to say, do as you wish with your money. And believe me I have that attitude towards what others wish to do with their money. But this will impact the creation of future content. And that impacts all of us.

in answer to your questions....

i have no more idea than you do. nor am i going to guess, or speculate or get hysterical about it.

will things change? yes.

do i, or you or anyone else outside of zos and affiliates, know what that change will be? no.

what i do know is that i am enjoying what is offered at the moment and when that changes i will go elsewhere.

such is the history of online games...

Ive played enough MMOs with this sort of thing to know for a fact that the content will be impacted. Its not speculation. Their team is only so big. And when it comes to making content that will only make so much money versus shineys that will make money hand over fist. Theyll choose the shineys. Because a business will always choose what makes them more money in the short term. The current approach to quarterly and yearly earnings is to out do last quarter and last year. If youre not beating your last best record. Youre not doing well.

New regions of Tamriel take time and money to produce. 6+ months of development time according to ZOS. These mounts, costumes and other random things theyll put in there will take a fraction of that time.

I agree 100%, but look at by their standpoint:

On the one hand, you can make as much return on your investment as quickly as possible KNOWING that the end user is more than likely going to leave as soon as the next shiny game comes out (there is as much history and experience in customer trends as there is history of the "evil" of the cash grab crates). OR:

On the other hand, you can dump money and resources into a long term player base that is fickle at BEST, and will STILL probably move on to the next shiny game comes along. Pitching this model to investors will take a level of salesmanship that frankly, I doubt they have.

As an investor, which model would you front the cash for - a quick 6 month to a year return on your investment, or a 4-5 year speculation that your money may be returned or may disappear?

I know that we all want to live in an idealistic, perfectly honest and transparent world - but the reality of it is that they have to answer to their investors, and investors do not like long term speculation over short term guaranteed returns.

Its not about being idealistic or perfect. Its about being just as selfish about my money as the investors are. They want a return on their investment. And I want a quality product for my exchange of cash.

jeevin

No, don't ever add these into the game.

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Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

What Id like to know is how many approached this as being a good thing and now that theyve used it in PTS have decided otherwise.

i approached this, as you can see, as an i don't mind as long as it is just cosmetic. i had no intention, prior to them landing on the pts, of buying any. neither my experience on the pts nor anything said since has changed my view.

I wonder if youve taken into consideration its impact on future content. What will be withheld to be placed in these crates? What will take longer to roll out for us to explore and play through because they needed to focus on the next Crate Season?

Its easy to look at this and not really see much wrong with it on the surface. Because on the surface its just 400 crowns and a chance to win some shiny. Quite easy to say, do as you wish with your money. And believe me I have that attitude towards what others wish to do with their money. But this will impact the creation of future content. And that impacts all of us.

in answer to your questions....

i have no more idea than you do. nor am i going to guess, or speculate or get hysterical about it.

will things change? yes.

do i, or you or anyone else outside of zos and affiliates, know what that change will be? no.

what i do know is that i am enjoying what is offered at the moment and when that changes i will go elsewhere.

such is the history of online games...

Ive played enough MMOs with this sort of thing to know for a fact that the content will be impacted. Its not speculation. Their team is only so big. And when it comes to making content that will only make so much money versus shineys that will make money hand over fist. Theyll choose the shineys. Because a business will always choose what makes them more money in the short term. The current approach to quarterly and yearly earnings is to out do last quarter and last year. If youre not beating your last best record. Youre not doing well.

New regions of Tamriel take time and money to produce. 6+ months of development time according to ZOS. These mounts, costumes and other random things theyll put in there will take a fraction of that time.

I agree 100%, but look at by their standpoint:

On the one hand, you can make as much return on your investment as quickly as possible KNOWING that the end user is more than likely going to leave as soon as the next shiny game comes out (there is as much history and experience in customer trends as there is history of the "evil" of the cash grab crates). OR:

On the other hand, you can dump money and resources into a long term player base that is fickle at BEST, and will STILL probably move on to the next shiny game comes along. Pitching this model to investors will take a level of salesmanship that frankly, I doubt they have.

As an investor, which model would you front the cash for - a quick 6 month to a year return on your investment, or a 4-5 year speculation that your money may be returned or may disappear?

I know that we all want to live in an idealistic, perfectly honest and transparent world - but the reality of it is that they have to answer to their investors, and investors do not like long term speculation over short term guaranteed returns.

Investors also have a responsibility with the negative or positive image that the investment decision has on the company.