This one will just do without them, just as I did in other MMO's. I'm not partaking of their silly gambling. Nope.
Nice as the atronach mounts are, I can live without. They work out to be ridiculous prices. I'll stick with just buying items directly as and when I see one offered that I want.
I'm quite disappointed. It's pretty unclear what is exclusive, but if it's what it seems like... that's a LOT of exclusives. Like.. a LOT. I thought they meant one or 2 rare mounts per season... not an entire set of mounts PLUS a bunch of other stuff not even related to that season.
I'm quite disappointed. It's pretty unclear what is exclusive, but if it's what it seems like... that's a LOT of exclusives. Like.. a LOT. I thought they meant one or 2 rare mounts per season... not an entire set of mounts PLUS a bunch of other stuff not even related to that season.
You and me both, @MissBizz .
All I wanted right now is for Gina or Rich to burst in and say "Oh no guys, there was a mistake! Only the Atronach mounts are exclusive! Everything else is labelled wrong!".
jedtb16_ESO wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »You need 40000 crowns to buy one atronach mount
This is incorrect. 40000 crowns does not guarantee an atronach mount. You may never get one, no matter how much you spend. You certainly are unlikely to get the one you want, especially if the one you want is "all of them". It's a shame, so many people would love to buy these outright for a set price, they're losing all that potential revenue just for the risk that they might get more from people gambling.
and you may get one with 1 purchase of 400 crowns...
Sure, but how many players are going to get that? Pointing out that you could get really lucky is useless because that's not something you can make an informed decision on. You've been in this thread for weeks, you should by know understand that there's an important difference between a single, cherry-picked player experience, the average experience, and the worst-case-scenario experience. When some aspect of the game has a worst-case-scenario experience of "never getting what you are investing time/money/etc into", there is something fundamentally wrong with the system. There is something fundamentally exploitative about it. People should get goods and services that they spend money on, so unless you don't care about the gambling box-exclusive items and are just spending money for the thrill of gambling, then you are not having a fair customer experience. That is the intrinsic problem with these gambling boxes.
yes, yes and pointing out that they may get nothing is just as redundant. the cherry picking goes both ways you know?
what staggers me about this thread is the idea, expressed with varying degrees of hysteria, is the notion that the people who are not against it are stupid and the people who are against it are, somehow, smart.
No, that's the point you are missing. It is not pointless to point out the worst-case scenario. This is because the worst-case scenario is a nonobvious mathematical consequence of the system. Many people literally do not know that there is a chance you'll never get anything, whereas the chance that you'll get something on the first try is not only apparent, but the main selling feature.
And I would never imply that people are stupid just because they support gambling. I would imply that they lack the technical know-how to see why it's bad, or I would imply that they lack any kind of a moral compass, or I would imply that they don't understand economic principles related to risk, price-setting, etc. If you aren't upset about the gambling boxes, you are necessarily in one of those three groups.
lordrichter wrote: »As sad as this is, at least there is a ray of light. Apparently, ZOS can make something of a usable feature in the game that actually works and does not suffer from lag. After 2 1/2 years, I did not think they knew how!
I see they renamed "Pets" to "Non-Combat Pets". Hopefully, the "Combat Pets" are just reskins of the two Sorcerer pets.
I wonder if that ray of light is a train heading for me...
jedtb16_ESO wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »You need 40000 crowns to buy one atronach mount
This is incorrect. 40000 crowns does not guarantee an atronach mount. You may never get one, no matter how much you spend. You certainly are unlikely to get the one you want, especially if the one you want is "all of them". It's a shame, so many people would love to buy these outright for a set price, they're losing all that potential revenue just for the risk that they might get more from people gambling.
and you may get one with 1 purchase of 400 crowns...
Sure, but how many players are going to get that? Pointing out that you could get really lucky is useless because that's not something you can make an informed decision on. You've been in this thread for weeks, you should by know understand that there's an important difference between a single, cherry-picked player experience, the average experience, and the worst-case-scenario experience. When some aspect of the game has a worst-case-scenario experience of "never getting what you are investing time/money/etc into", there is something fundamentally wrong with the system. There is something fundamentally exploitative about it. People should get goods and services that they spend money on, so unless you don't care about the gambling box-exclusive items and are just spending money for the thrill of gambling, then you are not having a fair customer experience. That is the intrinsic problem with these gambling boxes.
yes, yes and pointing out that they may get nothing is just as redundant. the cherry picking goes both ways you know?
what staggers me about this thread is the idea, expressed with varying degrees of hysteria, is the notion that the people who are not against it are stupid and the people who are against it are, somehow, smart.
No, that's the point you are missing. It is not pointless to point out the worst-case scenario. This is because the worst-case scenario is a nonobvious mathematical consequence of the system. Many people literally do not know that there is a chance you'll never get anything, whereas the chance that you'll get something on the first try is not only apparent, but the main selling feature.
And I would never imply that people are stupid just because they support gambling. I would imply that they lack the technical know-how to see why it's bad, or I would imply that they lack any kind of a moral compass, or I would imply that they don't understand economic principles related to risk, price-setting, etc. If you aren't upset about the gambling boxes, you are necessarily in one of those three groups.
nonsense.
my point was that highlighting any of the possible scenarios is equally redundant. you can cherry pick in both directions.
and it is not about supporting gambling.
it is about not thinking that you can decide what other people do..
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AWESOME GUYS! SUPER EXCITED!
So you know how the experience scrolls lasted longer than Psijiic and we were like "UGH" but it was kinda okay because you get 4 psijiics from one set of ingredients... so it all equaled out the same?
Welp, better hope we get better psijiic's soon.
My Red Pit Wolf. I'm so sad right now.
My Red Pit Wolf. I'm so sad right now.
rhapsodious wrote: »My Red Pit Wolf. I'm so sad right now.
You and me both. And I would have bought it with crowns in a heartbeat. At this point I don't really care about the atronach mounts, I just want the non-flashy mounts and pets to be available for direct purchase first (I mean, preferably always... but I'm grasping at straws here).
Overall I'm disappointed that they can put this much pizzazz into a feature so few of their userbase wanted, but so many other QOL increases remain in the back, gathering dust. I can't wait until housing is laid out if this is the direction marketing is taking.
I want to change my answer since it was from a while ago when I thought there'd just be super flashy stuff as exclusives, but if they're going this route then I don't want any part of it.
I tried it on PTS and left feedback on the official thread. 13 crates and not one single thing I would use. Not even close to enough crown gems for the red wolf I've been waiting forever for. If it was real money I would've been out $40 without a single thing to show for it. I won't gamble for the things I want to buy in the live game.
I'm still having fun in ESO overall but little things like this will gradually chip away at my enjoyment.
AWESOME GUYS! SUPER EXCITED!
So you know how the experience scrolls lasted longer than Psijiic and we were like "UGH" but it was kinda okay because you get 4 psijiics from one set of ingredients... so it all equaled out the same?
Welp, better hope we get better psijiic's soon.
ZOS has lost their damn minds. This is shameful f2p behavior but even dying f2p games don't pull this garbage. It amazes me how a company is willing to substitute their loyal player base for a cash shop. Sub out 15 loyal players spending the same amount as one whale can't be beneficial to your business. It doesn't make sense at all and it's not a smart decision.
GhostwalkerLD wrote: »
Trying to sugarcoat the atrocious new system that most MMO players despise by using a beloved character?
It's weird because he just sounds incredibly skeevy. When he was stealing other peoples' furniture and killing spriggans he was funny. When he's swindling me with a gambling game it's just gross.
@Recremen his very first message to you implies he was taken advantage of by some crooked gambling dealers. UGH.This one is forwarding crafting materials to you. Pacrooti looks forward to a long and rewarding relationship with his honored friend, especially since the crooked dealers at the gambling caravan tricked him out of his hard-earned gold. Pacrooti will keep trying until he wins it back. That will teach them.
So it's pretty terrible it's him they chose to do this.
AWESOME GUYS! SUPER EXCITED!
So you know how the experience scrolls lasted longer than Psijiic and we were like "UGH" but it was kinda okay because you get 4 psijiics from one set of ingredients... so it all equaled out the same?
Welp, better hope we get better psijiic's soon.
lordrichter wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Thanks for your thoughts on the upcoming Crown Crates, everyone. Just want to clarify a few points -
First, Crown Crates will be available later this year, and will only include cosmetic or convenience items. You'll find things like potions and other consumables, pets, costumes, and - yes - sometimes even mounts. This will give you a chance to try and obtain previous limited time offers, or even some very unique items as Matt mentioned. It will not include things like armor or weapons.
In the event you get an item that you already own, you can exchange it for a currency called Crown Gems which will allow you to buy a different item of your choice.
Why go to all the trouble to make a new Currency for exchanges and returns like this?