What do you think of Crown Store Random boxes/Lottery box?

Soella · September 2016

Gambling is a very profitable business. But if ZOS has to use it to raise money, can players at least have something from this?

I mean I did not mind gambling SWTOR way - you can spend money on a box, or you can earn in game gold and buy whatever you want. I think it will give even more reason to purchase boxes for some people.

I personally don't believe in RNG and will never buy a cat in the sack. I'll spend by crowns I am getting on subscribers on something I am guaranteed to get. But I definitely can work on getting some in game gold to buy exactly what I want from gamblers.

Kendaric · September 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Well, they are on PTS now... so I urge everyone who can to go there and try them. And don't forget to give feedback.

Abeille · September 2016

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

Since ZOS can adjust the drop rates at any time, I don't know if it will be worth anything to try to determine them by buying a bunch of boxes on the PTS and tracking down the drops

But I'll do it. I'm finishing downloading the patch. I might add to this post as I find some stuff out.

IMPORTANT: WE CAN PREVIEW THE EXCLUSIVE MOUNTS SEPARATELY.

The only Crown Crate available right now is the "Storm Atronach Crate"

There are four ties of rewards:
Apex Rewards: Cost 400 Crown Gems. They are the Storm Atronach mounts.
Legendary Rewards: Cost 100 Crown Gems. There are new and retired mounts, pets and costumes there. The Red Pit Wolf is there, and so is the Frost Mare.
Epic Rewards: Cost 40 Crown Gems. Mostly style parlor stuff, but some costumes and pets are there too.
Superior Rewards: Cost 16 Crown Gems. Retired Costumes that used to be part of a 3-Pack costume and simpler style parlor stuff.

When you open a crate, you get Pacrooti to reveal your prized to you. They are four cards that you can flip all at once if you wish.
On my first crate, I got 5 Crown Warrior Elixir, 5 Crown Survivor Elixir, a Capacity Riding Lesson and a Daedric Scamp.
The second one wasn't very different, but I got the Evening Dress instead of a pet.
On the third one, I got the Scamp again, and got 5 Crown Gems for it. Plus an Imperial Battlemage outfit.
On the 4th one, I got the Black Mane Lion, which is on the "Legendary Rewards" tier on the Crown Gems part of the shop, and also an Argonian adornment.
Soul Shriven outfit on the 5th.
On the 6th, found the argonian adornment again and got 5 Crown Gems for it.
On the 7th, another Soul Shriven outfit, but a different one (so no Crown Gems for me :T).
8th: Imperial Battlemage outfit again. 5 Crown Gems too.
I got the Storm Atronach Aura on my 9th crate. It is on the "Superior Rewards" category.
Purple Daggerback on the 10th. It is an "Epic Reward".
Clever Man Hat on my 11th.
Shadow Stripping (Khajiit body pattern) on the 12th.

Okay, so after 12 boxes, I got:
1 Legendary Reward (Black Mane Lion)
2 Epic Rewards (Palomino Horse and Purple Daggerback)
9 Superior Rewards (everything else)
15 Crown Gems.

By the way, that's the max number of Crates I could buy today. On PTS, we only get 5500 Crowns and the Crown Crates are costing 400 Crowns instead of 1 Crown like the rest of the stuff in the store, so that limited the number of crates I could get.

My thoughts on it:
Although the sample was very small and I might just have gotten lucky, all of the crates had at least one collectible. No crate came with only consumables. While some of the collectibles I got cost less than 400 Crowns when they were available through direct purchase, most of them were more expensive than that.
So that is a good start. However...
I have to disagree with the amount of Crown Gems that is given to us when we get a repeated collectible. The collectibles on the Superior Rewards category, which are the only ones that I got repeats, cost 16 Crown Gems each but only give 5 Crown Gems if they are repeated ones. That doesn't sound right, to me.

arasysb14_ESO · September 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

I spent all of the given crowns on crates, I ended up with one epic mount and an atronach senche tiger. Rest was useless potions and few costumes I would never use.

With introduction of crown crates we know ZOS is capable of adding mini games to the game, and if I am not mistaken it seems like "RNG boxes gambling" will be the only one in ESO for awhile. I don't want to keep posting about wasted potentials over and over but then there's amount of detail put in crown crate exclusive mounts; atronachs..

5200 crowns, that's almost ~$40 for crap consumables, and increasing consumers' chance to get an exclusive item only available through these crates.

I don't want to speculate, but who's to say they will initially have good drop chances for introduction, then get nerfed to milk further? I am sure people with 350 gems (exclusive mounts require 400 gems) will be more motivated towards wasting more money to ensure getting one of these mounts. And ZOS wouldn't mind initially making their crates look "prettier" than they are.

It feels like a bad business practice, and a ripoff after trying it on PTS.

Graydon · September 2016

Yes but I just want it to be pay to win items, plus cosmetics

I have 15k of Crowns burning a hole in my pocket!

Gosh I can't wait! Hurry up with the crates ZOS!

jedtb16_ESO · September 2016

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

had a look on the pts. as expected the stuff was just dross.

i did say i would try them to see what all the fuss was about, and i have.

just dross.

now there is a surprise.

i bought 13 boxes.... all just junk, pots and cosmetic nonsense and a pet or two. so back to my original stance: if people want to buy them, fine.

Wow · September 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

You need 40000 crowns to buy one atronach mount

silvereyes · September 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Tried it out on PTS. Bought 13 boxes (5200 crowns / $37.80 US).

TL;DR: if you want people to buy these things, ZOS, at least make the consolation prizes better. $38 is basically buying the whole game again, for a bunch of trash I don't even want and won't use (except the xp scroll and soul gems).

Wasn't as lucky as some of the others. Here's what I got:

3 hats (2 were good, 1 was meh)
1 hair style (useless. was argonian, and I have no argonians)
4 costumes (only 1 of which was any good)
1 memento (meh)
1 pet (dog - looks cool, but I hate in-game cosmetic pets. maybe will be okay if you can limit to player housing next update)
20 crown gems (which I used to buy a storm atronoch aura, which was meh)
3 riding lessons
1 XP scroll
3 soul gems
2 trash drinks
50 trash poisons
125 trash potions

GhostwalkerLD · September 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Abeille wrote: »

*snip*When you open a crate, you get Pacrooti to reveal your prized to you. *snip*

... why... WHY would they ruin such a wonderful character, Pacrooti, by including him in this? ARGH!!! Now I'm even more reviled by these things..

Wow · September 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1ZEnlwt01A&feature=youtu.be

Recremen · September 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Graydon wrote: »

I have 15k of Crowns burning a hole in my pocket!

Gosh I can't wait! Hurry up with the crates ZOS!

1/10 troll post. Enough to get a response, but only to comment on form. it's a little too obvious that you're lying, a better troll would try to attack the arguments against gambling boxes.

Recremen · September 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Wow wrote: »

You need 40000 crowns to buy one atronach mount

This is incorrect. 40000 crowns does not guarantee an atronach mount. You may never get one, no matter how much you spend. You certainly are unlikely to get the one you want, especially if the one you want is "all of them". It's a shame, so many people would love to buy these outright for a set price, they're losing all that potential revenue just for the risk that they might get more from people gambling.

Abeille · September 2016

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

GhostwalkerLD wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

*snip*When you open a crate, you get Pacrooti to reveal your prized to you. *snip*

... why... WHY would they ruin such a wonderful character, Pacrooti, by including him in this? ARGH!!! Now I'm even more reviled by these things..

Trying to sugarcoat the atrocious new system that most MMO players despise by using a beloved character?

Recremen · September 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Abeille wrote: »

GhostwalkerLD wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

*snip*When you open a crate, you get Pacrooti to reveal your prized to you. *snip*

... why... WHY would they ruin such a wonderful character, Pacrooti, by including him in this? ARGH!!! Now I'm even more reviled by these things..

Trying to sugarcoat the atrocious new system that most MMO players despise by using a beloved character?

It's weird because he just sounds incredibly skeevy. When he was stealing other peoples' furniture and killing spriggans he was funny. When he's swindling me with a gambling game it's just gross.

MissBizz · September 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Recremen wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

GhostwalkerLD wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

*snip*When you open a crate, you get Pacrooti to reveal your prized to you. *snip*

... why... WHY would they ruin such a wonderful character, Pacrooti, by including him in this? ARGH!!! Now I'm even more reviled by these things..

Trying to sugarcoat the atrocious new system that most MMO players despise by using a beloved character?

It's weird because he just sounds incredibly skeevy. When he was stealing other peoples' furniture and killing spriggans he was funny. When he's swindling me with a gambling game it's just gross.

@Recremen his very first message to you implies he was taken advantage of by some crooked gambling dealers. UGH.

This one is forwarding crafting materials to you. Pacrooti looks forward to a long and rewarding relationship with his honored friend, especially since the crooked dealers at the gambling caravan tricked him out of his hard-earned gold. Pacrooti will keep trying until he wins it back. That will teach them.

So it's pretty terrible it's him they chose to do this.

jedtb16_ESO · September 2016

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Recremen wrote: »

Wow wrote: »

You need 40000 crowns to buy one atronach mount

This is incorrect. 40000 crowns does not guarantee an atronach mount. You may never get one, no matter how much you spend. You certainly are unlikely to get the one you want, especially if the one you want is "all of them". It's a shame, so many people would love to buy these outright for a set price, they're losing all that potential revenue just for the risk that they might get more from people gambling.

and you may get one with 1 purchase of 400 crowns...

Wow · September 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Please reduce the APEX prize gem costs. Or at least increase the duplicate items Gems gain... This is very sad to people who never have such lucks in game.

jedtb16_ESO · September 2016

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Wow wrote: »

Please reduce the APEX prize gem costs. Or at least increase the duplicate items Gems gain... This is very sad to people who never have such lucks in game.

just say.... it's very sad...... and leave it at that

Thevampirenight · September 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Ugh they better not pull that bull%$%$with the tattoos and stuff that has not been in the crownstore yet those should be in crownstore for us to buy before they put them into some **** crate

Recremen · September 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Wow wrote: »

You need 40000 crowns to buy one atronach mount

This is incorrect. 40000 crowns does not guarantee an atronach mount. You may never get one, no matter how much you spend. You certainly are unlikely to get the one you want, especially if the one you want is "all of them". It's a shame, so many people would love to buy these outright for a set price, they're losing all that potential revenue just for the risk that they might get more from people gambling.

and you may get one with 1 purchase of 400 crowns...

Sure, but how many players are going to get that? Pointing out that you could get really lucky is useless because that's not something you can make an informed decision on. You've been in this thread for weeks, you should by know understand that there's an important difference between a single, cherry-picked player experience, the average experience, and the worst-case-scenario experience. When some aspect of the game has a worst-case-scenario experience of "never getting what you are investing time/money/etc into", there is something fundamentally wrong with the system. There is something fundamentally exploitative about it. People should get goods and services that they spend money on, so unless you don't care about the gambling box-exclusive items and are just spending money for the thrill of gambling, then you are not having a fair customer experience. That is the intrinsic problem with these gambling boxes.

Sigtric · September 2016

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Don't mind the boxes being available but now that we've seen it in action they need a LOT of price balancing for me to even come close to considering buying them.

Abeille · September 2016

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Ugh they better not pull that bull%$%$with the tattoos and stuff that has not been in the crownstore yet those should be in crownstore for us to buy before they put them into some **** crate

They are doing exactly that.

A lot of stuff seems to be exclusive to the Crown Crates, if there was no mistake on Gina's post on the official Crown Crate feedback thread in the PTS forums.

Thevampirenight · September 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Abeille wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Ugh they better not pull that bull%$%$with the tattoos and stuff that has not been in the crownstore yet those should be in crownstore for us to buy before they put them into some **** crate

They are doing exactly that.

I do wish governments would make this sort of thing very illeigal.

jedtb16_ESO · September 2016

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Recremen wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Wow wrote: »

You need 40000 crowns to buy one atronach mount

This is incorrect. 40000 crowns does not guarantee an atronach mount. You may never get one, no matter how much you spend. You certainly are unlikely to get the one you want, especially if the one you want is "all of them". It's a shame, so many people would love to buy these outright for a set price, they're losing all that potential revenue just for the risk that they might get more from people gambling.

and you may get one with 1 purchase of 400 crowns...

Sure, but how many players are going to get that? Pointing out that you could get really lucky is useless because that's not something you can make an informed decision on. You've been in this thread for weeks, you should by know understand that there's an important difference between a single, cherry-picked player experience, the average experience, and the worst-case-scenario experience. When some aspect of the game has a worst-case-scenario experience of "never getting what you are investing time/money/etc into", there is something fundamentally wrong with the system. There is something fundamentally exploitative about it. People should get goods and services that they spend money on, so unless you don't care about the gambling box-exclusive items and are just spending money for the thrill of gambling, then you are not having a fair customer experience. That is the intrinsic problem with these gambling boxes.

yes, yes and pointing out that they may get nothing is just as redundant. the cherry picking goes both ways you know?

what staggers me about this thread is the idea, expressed with varying degrees of hysteria, is the notion that the people who are not against it are stupid and the people who are against it are, somehow, smart.

RobboEU · September 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Tomorrow I will now cancel my ESO membership

AlienSlof · September 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

This one will just do without them, just as I did in other MMO's. I'm not partaking of their silly gambling. Nope.

Nice as the atronach mounts are, I can live without. They work out to be ridiculous prices. I'll stick with just buying items directly as and when I see one offered that I want.

kensan62_ESO · September 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

I still would like more information on what exactly will be in crown crates vs the regular crown store. What I am seeing so far is all the cool cosmetics and mounts are in crown crates only and u have to buy a ton of them in hopes to get one of the cool mounts or even more crates just to get the crown jewel currency to buy one. Doesn't look like much of anything being offered in regular crown store anymore which makes me sad. More info please.

Recremen · September 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Wow wrote: »

You need 40000 crowns to buy one atronach mount

This is incorrect. 40000 crowns does not guarantee an atronach mount. You may never get one, no matter how much you spend. You certainly are unlikely to get the one you want, especially if the one you want is "all of them". It's a shame, so many people would love to buy these outright for a set price, they're losing all that potential revenue just for the risk that they might get more from people gambling.

and you may get one with 1 purchase of 400 crowns...

Sure, but how many players are going to get that? Pointing out that you could get really lucky is useless because that's not something you can make an informed decision on. You've been in this thread for weeks, you should by know understand that there's an important difference between a single, cherry-picked player experience, the average experience, and the worst-case-scenario experience. When some aspect of the game has a worst-case-scenario experience of "never getting what you are investing time/money/etc into", there is something fundamentally wrong with the system. There is something fundamentally exploitative about it. People should get goods and services that they spend money on, so unless you don't care about the gambling box-exclusive items and are just spending money for the thrill of gambling, then you are not having a fair customer experience. That is the intrinsic problem with these gambling boxes.

yes, yes and pointing out that they may get nothing is just as redundant. the cherry picking goes both ways you know?

what staggers me about this thread is the idea, expressed with varying degrees of hysteria, is the notion that the people who are not against it are stupid and the people who are against it are, somehow, smart.

No, that's the point you are missing. It is not pointless to point out the worst-case scenario. This is because the worst-case scenario is a nonobvious mathematical consequence of the system. Many people literally do not know that there is a chance you'll never get anything, whereas the chance that you'll get something on the first try is not only apparent, but the main selling feature.

And I would never imply that people are stupid just because they support gambling. I would imply that they lack the technical know-how to see why it's bad, or I would imply that they lack any kind of a moral compass, or I would imply that they don't understand economic principles related to risk, price-setting, etc. If you aren't upset about the gambling boxes, you are necessarily in one of those three groups.

Thevampirenight · September 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

kensan62_ESO wrote: »

I still would like more information on what exactly will be in crown crates vs the regular crown store. What I am seeing so far is all the cool cosmetics and mounts are in crown crates only and u have to buy a ton of them in hopes to get one of the cool mounts or even more crates just to get the crown jewel currency to buy one. Doesn't look like much of anything being offered in regular crown store anymore which makes me sad. More info please.

I am sure there will still be regular crown store stuff they will release they have too. Otherwise they pretty much are screwing over there player base with this.

clayandaudrey_ESO · September 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

kensan62_ESO wrote: »

I still would like more information on what exactly will be in crown crates vs the regular crown store. What I am seeing so far is all the cool cosmetics and mounts are in crown crates only and u have to buy a ton of them in hopes to get one of the cool mounts or even more crates just to get the crown jewel currency to buy one. Doesn't look like much of anything being offered in regular crown store anymore which makes me sad. More info please.

What more information do you need other than what you already know?