STOP DOING EQUIPMENT WRITS

imnotanother

@Taia
What are you trying to say? I see you are struggling with the vocabulary and the concept. Can you point out where a gold loss is suffered when completing writs? When do you lose money?

Materials.... Yes you will use them to complete the quest but you make a profit...

If I farm/refine 100 ingots then use 50 to complete the writ, I still have 50. The 100 were free. I used 50 to make gear and was paid to make it. Where is the loss in gold?


Where is your logic? Please explain instead of quoting me.

Zolexi

I'm still doing them, collect the surveys. Bank 'em until fix.

imnotanother

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

imnotanother wrote: »

I make money doing writs, more than it cost. (See list and definition above)

Crafting writs have NEVER rewarded more materials than it took to complete the quest.

I feel like I might be the only one that gets it.

No, I understand you. But Vangy has a point.

Depending on the state of the market for mats, it might or might not be more profitable to do the crafting writs or to sell the mats directly. When mats are cheap like now, it's possibly more profitable to do writs. When mats prices are high, it's definitely a loss.

You also have a very good point : crafting writs for equipment have NEVER been a way to gather mats, nor have they ever been meant to. It's merely a sink for extra mats for people who enjoy farming mats.

In short, if you have extra mats stocked up, you can choose between selling them directly or do writs. But if you don't have extra mats and you need to buy them to complete writs, you're better off not doing them at all.

This is only true if you buy your materials. If you farm them, there is not cost to your supply. Both scenarios, writs or straight sale, still would give a farmer pure 100% profit.

The OP's point was saying it is not profitable to do writs and that is a false statement.

My point ha been that farming mats is free. Selling them in any form is pure profit.

AtmaDarkwolf

the only one that 'turns' any profit for me now is the woodworking one. Simply because We have an absolute glut of rubyash.(its worth like 5.01 coin on market/guild traders if you shop around, which is 0.01 per unit of gold more than npc's will buy for, its really that 'cheap')

But the other two, of the last week ive done them, with a nice 'bank' of 1k ingots, leather, and silks in storage, im now down to about 600 of each left.

So yea, equipment writs were a huge (COMPLETELY unnecessary) nerf to all of those 'extremely rich and overpowered' crafters.

Good going ZoS, just another way you balanced your game.

Vangy

imnotanother wrote: »

Taia wrote: »

imnotanother wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

imnotanother wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

imnotanother wrote: »

Get off your butts and farm the mats. 100% profit.

"There is no such thing as a free lunch. "

.......

Except the whole point of crafting dailies is to help u get mats that you need to craft..... The gold mats are just icing.... Right now its costing me mats.... Id rather just farm mats and NOT do the dailies for an even bigger profit.... Or is simple math a little hard for you to comprehend.... When something costs you more than what you get in return, its not a 100% profit.. Its a LOSS...... In this case a pretty sizeable one...

Simmer down

How is it not 100% profit? You farm mats, take said mats and craft writs, turn in writs and you are rewarded with gold, upgrade materials(able to be sold), gear (able to be sold/decon) glass frags(able to be sold), and surveys (where you can farm mats).

The process cost 0 gold. Using simple math... You make a 100% profit.

But go ahead and continue to be close minded and ignorant to common sense.

....................... Wow im really going to have to explain this step by step arent I.......

1. Farm mats.
2. Refine mats for gold tempers waxes etc
3. Sell refined mats

More profit than doing crafting dailies for equipment writs. Is this really so complex to understand? So educate me again on how you arrived at your 100% profit result?

It is in the quote. It is simple. You are making it hard.

1. Wrothgar, Hews Bane, and Gold Coast have mats...they are free to pick up. (Free)
2. Pick up writ quest. Make gear with free mats you farmed. (Free)
3. Turn in writs. (Free)
4. Open reward packages. (Free)
5. Receive XP, gold, glass frags,Gold upgrades, gear, and surveys. (Profit)
6. Sell upgrades/glass (profit)
7. Sell/decon gear (profit)
8. Farm surveys (free)
9. Refine mats (free)
10. Sell mats/ upgrades (profit)
11. Repeat

Where are you having a hard time understanding my point?

Crafting writs are not a source of gaining materials (considering it cost materials); it is a source to earn gold, XP, glass frags, gold upgrades.

No one argued that farming mats isn't a great way to make money either. Crafting writs are just another source.

Yikes, still doesn't get it.

prof·it
ˈpräfət/
noun
1.
a financial gain, especially the difference between the amount earned and the amount spent in buying, operating, or producing something.

I make money doing writs, more than it cost. (See list and definition above)

Crafting writs have NEVER rewarded more materials than it took to complete the quest.

I feel like I might be the only one that gets it.

@imnotanother

Using your own definition.... You are not making a profit lol... You are generating raw materials from farming. And these materials are worth X on the market. Crafting dailies award Y gold. X>>Y. Therefore you are making a LOSS.... Cos you are not earning back what you spend producing (or generating) ...... Maybe on ur server or platform, v15 mats are worth nothing, but on PC NA, its far more profitable to just sell the refined/unrefined materials rather than doing the dailies. If ya still cant get it... I have nothing more to add lol...

I see where ur misunderstanding is. You seem to think farming mats = no cost. But here's a reality check. Farming mats = time and gold cost. And mats are worth X gold on the market. You are wrongly assuming that using materials that are worth X whenever you farmed them is 0 cost to you. That's not how it works. When you use 50 ingots that have a base worth of around 1.5k, it meas you just pissed away 1.5k gold regardless of whether you farmed it or bought it. I hope you never start a buisness lol. Cos you seem to not understand basic economic principles. Just cos you farmed your own rice to have a meal dosent mean that rice didnt cost you anything lol......

CHIMCHIMCheree

imnotanother wrote: »

@Taia
What are you trying to say? I see you are struggling with the vocabulary and the concept. Can you point out where a gold loss is suffered when completing writs? When do you lose money?

Materials.... Yes you will use them to complete the quest but you make a profit...

If I farm/refine 100 ingots then use 50 to complete the writ, I still have 50. The 100 were free. I used 50 to make gear and was paid to make it. Where is the loss in gold?


Where is your logic? Please explain instead of quoting me.

You start with having no assets. Then you farm materials, now you have some assets and those assets have a certain value in gold. Say the assets you farm have a gold value of 10k. Your net worth is now 10k.

Then you do a crafting writ. You exchange 5k in assets for the crafting writ rewards.

The crafting writ rewards are worth 2k, let's say. This is a lower value than the investment you made. You have lost 3k in this transaction. If you are contesting the argument that writ rewards have lower value than the required materials do, your experience is inconsistent with that of other players.

Your argument appears to be "but you started with nothing!". Sure, that's true. But then you worked to acquire something and if you hadn't participated in the broken crafting writ transaction you would have been better off.

As such, the crafting writ transaction disadvantages you and isn't worth doing.

In your example, the 100 ingots you farm were not free. They cost time. If instead of farming 100 ingots and doing a crafting writ you had instead only farmed 50 ingots, you would come out with the same number of ingots but with less time invested, making not doing the crafting writ a better choice financially.

Vangy

CHIMCHIMCheree wrote: »

imnotanother wrote: »

@Taia
What are you trying to say? I see you are struggling with the vocabulary and the concept. Can you point out where a gold loss is suffered when completing writs? When do you lose money?

Materials.... Yes you will use them to complete the quest but you make a profit...

If I farm/refine 100 ingots then use 50 to complete the writ, I still have 50. The 100 were free. I used 50 to make gear and was paid to make it. Where is the loss in gold?


Where is your logic? Please explain instead of quoting me.

You start with having no assets. Then you farm materials, now you have some assets and those assets have a certain value in gold. Say the assets you farm have a gold value of 10k. Your net worth is now 10k.

Then you do a crafting writ. You exchange 5k in assets for the crafting writ rewards.

The crafting writ rewards are worth 2k, let's say. This is a lower value than the investment you made. You have lost 3k in this transaction. If you are contesting the argument that writ rewards have lower value than the required materials do, your experience is inconsistent with that of other players.

Your argument appears to be "but you started with nothing!". Sure, that's true. But then you worked to acquire something and if you hadn't participated in the broken crafting writ transaction you would have been better off.

As such, the crafting writ transaction disadvantages you and isn't worth doing.

In your example, the 100 ingots you farm were not free. They cost time. If instead of farming 100 ingots and doing a crafting writ you had instead only farmed 50 ingots, you would come out with the same number of ingots but with less time invested, making not doing the crafting writ a better choice financially.

+1 for logic and reasoning. Thank god people out there actually understand this situation... Crafting dailies always awarded a net profit of mats. They only costed more low tier mats which no one gives an F about.

Sharee

imnotanother wrote: »

@Taia
What are you trying to say? I see you are struggling with the vocabulary and the concept. Can you point out where a gold loss is suffered when completing writs? When do you lose money?

Materials.... Yes you will use them to complete the quest but you make a profit...

If I farm/refine 100 ingots then use 50 to complete the writ, I still have 50. The 100 were free. I used 50 to make gear and was paid to make it. Where is the loss in gold?


Where is your logic? Please explain instead of quoting me.

There are two possible ways for you to use the materials you farmed. Either you use them to craft writs, or you sell them on the market. If the former leaves you with less money in the end than the latter, then you are losing money.

And the ingots you farmed were not really free, because they carry an opportunity cost. The hour you spent gathering the materials could have been spent farming mobs for gold. Thus by gathering the ingots, you "paid" for it with the gold you did not get from farming.

BruhItsOver9000

I have a better way of getting gold mats. Farm old orsinium for rubedo. Get a stack of 650, now refine, sell the rubedo, buy gold mats, profit.

Vangy

BruhItsOver9000 wrote: »

I have a better way of getting gold mats. Farm old orsinium for rubedo. Get a stack of 650, Now refine, sell the rubedo, buy gold mats, profit.

Yep.... In other words stop pissing away your hard farmed mats on these *** mat sink writs.

imnotanother

@Vangy @CHIMCHIMCheree

But you never suffer a loss in gold. That is my point. You always profit in both situations.
You assume your materials will sell. It is not a guarantee. Crafting writs are a guarantee.

When farming you literally have 0 expense. Your time and Labor are free.

Gross revenue - expenses =
Net profit.

CHIMCHIMCheree

You seem like the kind of person who finds $20 on the ground, then exchanges it for $10 and feels awesome about that sweet sweet $10 profit.

Minute_Waltz

@imnotanother
I have two words for you to help you understand what people meant.

Opportunity Cost

nounECONOMICS

the loss of other alternatives when one alternative is chosen.

Vangy

imnotanother wrote: »

@Vangy @CHIMCHIMCheree

But you never suffer a loss in gold. That is my point. You always profit in both situations.
You assume your materials will sell. It is not a guarantee. Crafting writs are a guarantee.

When farming you literally have 0 expense. Your time and Labor are free.

Gross revenue - expenses =
Net profit.

@imnotanother

Have you tried selling v15 mats? They sell like hot cakes lol. Especially the unrefined ones. Put them on any legit guild trader and they are gone by the end of the day as long as you post them for reasonable prices.......

My friend I am trying to help you here. If you want to refuse the help I understand but the fact still stands, that you are LOSING your precious gold by doing these writs. SAVE YOURSELF WHILE YOU CAN.

P.S -> Jesus..... Labor and time free.... If you tried this in the real world you would be behind bars......

EDIT:

CHIMCHIMCheree wrote: »

You seem like the kind of person who finds $20 on the ground, then exchanges it for $10 and feels awesome about that sweet sweet $10 profit.

^ I know this sounds harsh but the reality of writs is what this guy posted. Your mats are worth more than what writs reward you with which is the exact scenario above.....

imnotanother

Vangy wrote: »

imnotanother wrote: »

@Vangy @CHIMCHIMCheree

But you never suffer a loss in gold. That is my point. You always profit in both situations.
You assume your materials will sell. It is not a guarantee. Crafting writs are a guarantee.

When farming you literally have 0 expense. Your time and Labor are free.

Gross revenue - expenses =
Net profit.

@imnotanother

Have you tried selling v15 mats? They sell like hot cakes lol. Especially the unrefined ones. Put them on any legit guild trader and they are gone by the end of the day as long as you post them for reasonable prices.......

My friend I am trying to help you here. If you want to refuse the help I understand but the fact still stands, that you are LOSING your precious gold by doing these writs. SAVE YOURSELF WHILE YOU CAN.

P.S -> Jesus..... Labor and time free.... If you tried this in the real world you would be behind bars......

Haha I get it man. I really do but you never lose anything. You might make less...but never lose anything.

And thank you for your "help."

Just an FYI, I am an owner of a successful business. I am quite aware of real world economics.

Vangy

imnotanother wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

imnotanother wrote: »

@Vangy @CHIMCHIMCheree

But you never suffer a loss in gold. That is my point. You always profit in both situations.
You assume your materials will sell. It is not a guarantee. Crafting writs are a guarantee.

When farming you literally have 0 expense. Your time and Labor are free.

Gross revenue - expenses =
Net profit.

@imnotanother

Have you tried selling v15 mats? They sell like hot cakes lol. Especially the unrefined ones. Put them on any legit guild trader and they are gone by the end of the day as long as you post them for reasonable prices.......

My friend I am trying to help you here. If you want to refuse the help I understand but the fact still stands, that you are LOSING your precious gold by doing these writs. SAVE YOURSELF WHILE YOU CAN.

P.S -> Jesus..... Labor and time free.... If you tried this in the real world you would be behind bars......

Haha I get it man. I really do but you never lose anything. You might make less...but never lose anything.

And thank you for your "help."

Just an FYI, I am an owner of a successful business. I am quite aware of real world economics.

Sure thing. Hopefully your successful buisness dosent involve slave trading cos that's illegal ya know. Its the only place that I know of where worker's labour and time aren't paid for...... I KID I KID =X

imnotanother

Vangy wrote: »

imnotanother wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

imnotanother wrote: »

@Vangy @CHIMCHIMCheree

But you never suffer a loss in gold. That is my point. You always profit in both situations.
You assume your materials will sell. It is not a guarantee. Crafting writs are a guarantee.

When farming you literally have 0 expense. Your time and Labor are free.

Gross revenue - expenses =
Net profit.

@imnotanother

Have you tried selling v15 mats? They sell like hot cakes lol. Especially the unrefined ones. Put them on any legit guild trader and they are gone by the end of the day as long as you post them for reasonable prices.......

My friend I am trying to help you here. If you want to refuse the help I understand but the fact still stands, that you are LOSING your precious gold by doing these writs. SAVE YOURSELF WHILE YOU CAN.

P.S -> Jesus..... Labor and time free.... If you tried this in the real world you would be behind bars......

Haha I get it man. I really do but you never lose anything. You might make less...but never lose anything.

And thank you for your "help."

Just an FYI, I am an owner of a successful business. I am quite aware of real world economics.

Sure thing. Hopefully your successful buisness dosent involve slave trading cos that's illegal ya know. Its the only place that I know of where worker's labour and time aren't paid for...... I KID I KID =X

My god...

I hope you get the "awesomes" and "agrees" you are so desperately chasing.
Good night

Vangy

imnotanother wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

imnotanother wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

imnotanother wrote: »

@Vangy @CHIMCHIMCheree

But you never suffer a loss in gold. That is my point. You always profit in both situations.
You assume your materials will sell. It is not a guarantee. Crafting writs are a guarantee.

When farming you literally have 0 expense. Your time and Labor are free.

Gross revenue - expenses =
Net profit.

@imnotanother

Have you tried selling v15 mats? They sell like hot cakes lol. Especially the unrefined ones. Put them on any legit guild trader and they are gone by the end of the day as long as you post them for reasonable prices.......

My friend I am trying to help you here. If you want to refuse the help I understand but the fact still stands, that you are LOSING your precious gold by doing these writs. SAVE YOURSELF WHILE YOU CAN.

P.S -> Jesus..... Labor and time free.... If you tried this in the real world you would be behind bars......

Haha I get it man. I really do but you never lose anything. You might make less...but never lose anything.

And thank you for your "help."

Just an FYI, I am an owner of a successful business. I am quite aware of real world economics.

Sure thing. Hopefully your successful buisness dosent involve slave trading cos that's illegal ya know. Its the only place that I know of where worker's labour and time aren't paid for...... I KID I KID =X

My god...

I hope you get the "awesomes" and "agrees" you are so desperately chasing.
Good night

But.....But...... I already got all of that in my OP. =X And I has so many starrrrrs =D

Lysette

FloppyTouch wrote: »

I seem to make really good gold doing the writs 100k+ a week and I farm all the mats so it's all free

This is wrong - self-farmed materials are not free at all - if you use them for writs, they cost you that, what you could have earned by selling them instead of using them in writs - their market value are your calculatoric costs.

Haquor

I want to stop doing them for another reason. The time it takes. I do all equipment writs and the enchanter writ on 10 characters each day. Its always been my sole source of currency from selling gold mats that i dont need. Havent noticed a significant reduction simce update.

Lysette

imnotanother wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

imnotanother wrote: »

I make money doing writs, more than it cost. (See list and definition above)

Crafting writs have NEVER rewarded more materials than it took to complete the quest.

I feel like I might be the only one that gets it.

No, I understand you. But Vangy has a point.

Depending on the state of the market for mats, it might or might not be more profitable to do the crafting writs or to sell the mats directly. When mats are cheap like now, it's possibly more profitable to do writs. When mats prices are high, it's definitely a loss.

You also have a very good point : crafting writs for equipment have NEVER been a way to gather mats, nor have they ever been meant to. It's merely a sink for extra mats for people who enjoy farming mats.

In short, if you have extra mats stocked up, you can choose between selling them directly or do writs. But if you don't have extra mats and you need to buy them to complete writs, you're better off not doing them at all.

This is only true if you buy your materials. If you farm them, there is not cost to your supply. Both scenarios, writs or straight sale, still would give a farmer pure 100% profit.

The OP's point was saying it is not profitable to do writs and that is a false statement.

My point ha been that farming mats is free. Selling them in any form is pure profit.

no, people like you damage the markets in EVE all the time by their strange view on economics. Read up about calculatoric costs. And when you sell them, the revenue you get from selling them, is the equivalent of what the time is worth, which you had to put in to farm the materials - basically the equivalent of a wage.

anitajoneb17_ESO

imnotanother wrote: »

Haha I get it man. I really do but you never lose anything. You might make less...but never lose anything.

Sorry @imnotanother , but if you have 1 apple, customer A is ready to pay 5 dollars for that apple, customer B is ready to pay 10 dollars for that apple, and you choose to sell it to customer A, then you've not earned 5 dollars, you've clearly lost 5 dollars.
That's math. Not opinion.

jeedrzej

Yes yes, stop doing writs.
Less poeple who are doing it = highter price of tempering aloy/wax etc

More money for me

Lysette

jeedrzej wrote: »

Yes yes, stop doing writs.
Less poeple who are doing it = highter price of tempering aloy/wax etc

More money for me

Haha, yes, I make a fortune buying underpriced asset in EVE, which is from people who think, that self-mined is free

imnotanother

Ok everyone, I jumped on the game to do my writs. From the 3 equipment writs, this is the rewards:
1992g, 1 dreugh wax, 1 temp alloy, 2 repair kits, 2 trait stones, an axe that sells for 280%, 2 Glass fragments, and a Clothing survey. Plus mats from survey. 44 of silk and void each.

Collected survey and refined mats. Got another wax.

Lets add what I can sell: 1992 + 281 (axe)+ 3,000 (2 frags)+ 15,000 (temp alloy) + 16,000 (2 wax) = 36,273 gold.

That is a profit.

Lysette

Vangy wrote: »

imnotanother wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

imnotanother wrote: »

@Vangy @CHIMCHIMCheree

But you never suffer a loss in gold. That is my point. You always profit in both situations.
You assume your materials will sell. It is not a guarantee. Crafting writs are a guarantee.

When farming you literally have 0 expense. Your time and Labor are free.

Gross revenue - expenses =
Net profit.

@imnotanother

Have you tried selling v15 mats? They sell like hot cakes lol. Especially the unrefined ones. Put them on any legit guild trader and they are gone by the end of the day as long as you post them for reasonable prices.......

My friend I am trying to help you here. If you want to refuse the help I understand but the fact still stands, that you are LOSING your precious gold by doing these writs. SAVE YOURSELF WHILE YOU CAN.

P.S -> Jesus..... Labor and time free.... If you tried this in the real world you would be behind bars......

Haha I get it man. I really do but you never lose anything. You might make less...but never lose anything.

And thank you for your "help."

Just an FYI, I am an owner of a successful business. I am quite aware of real world economics.

Sure thing. Hopefully your successful buisness dosent involve slave trading cos that's illegal ya know. Its the only place that I know of where worker's labour and time aren't paid for...... I KID I KID =X

And even slave work wasn't free - not even if those were born on the plantage - there are costs to keep and maintain the work force and the money bound in the value of a slave is important as well - because if you would sell the slave, you would have the money and could invest the money into something else - the interest or profit you could earn with that money, are part of the calculatoric costs for the value bound in the person of the slave. This was actually what the north wanted to achieve in the civil war - to destroy this inherent value, which is in the slaves and which was basically the main asset value of a plantage - and freeing the slaves destroyed this asset value, what made it easy to acquire these plantages, because they were robbed of their main asset value and could not continue like before.

Vangy

imnotanother wrote: »

Ok everyone, I jumped on the game to do my writs. From the 3 equipment writs, this is the rewards:
792g, 1 dreugh wax, 1 temp alloy, 2 repair kits, 2 trait stones, an axe that sells for 280%, 2 Glass fragments, and a Clothing survey. Plus mats from survey. 44 of silk and void each.

Collected survey and refined mats. Got another wax.

Lets add what I can sell: 792 + 281 (axe)+ 3,000 (2 frags)+ 15,000 (temp alloy) + 16,000 (2 wax) = 35,073 gold.

That is a profit.

Good now that you have come close to understanding basic economics now we can get to work trying to make you understand RNG. (you still need to compare how much material you used relative to how much you got from the surveys). If you are doing void writs, then its a non-issue. We are discussing end game writs so I think maybe u have a typo in there. Those waxes and tempers you got are RNG. More often than not, you wont get gold mats from equipment writs. Same applies for surveys. So on most days, you will be making a loss.

And 15k for a temper??? and 8k per wax???? Wow ps4 pricing is insane....... Keep doing these writs and tabulate the results like I have done over the past week. You will eventually come to the same conclusion as me as long as you dont forget to account for the usage of mats and the influx of mats from surveys. Compare the money you get with the cost of mats relative to how much refined materials go for in your market.

Sharee

imnotanother wrote: »

Haha I get it man. I really do but you never lose anything. You might make less...but never lose anything.

This thinking comes from believing the the mats you hold before selling them have zero value, since you got them "for free".

That is not true however. The mats have exactly the same value as the gold the highest bidder is willing to give you for them.

If you sell your mats, then you lose the mats. Thus, you lose the value in gold that the highest bidder was willing to pay you. In exchange, you get gold, but if you sold it cheaper than what the highest bidder was offering, you lost value.

imnotanother

Vangy wrote: »

imnotanother wrote: »

Ok everyone, I jumped on the game to do my writs. From the 3 equipment writs, this is the rewards:
792g, 1 dreugh wax, 1 temp alloy, 2 repair kits, 2 trait stones, an axe that sells for 280%, 2 Glass fragments, and a Clothing survey. Plus mats from survey. 44 of silk and void each.

Collected survey and refined mats. Got another wax.

Lets add what I can sell: 792 + 281 (axe)+ 3,000 (2 frags)+ 15,000 (temp alloy) + 16,000 (2 wax) = 35,073 gold.

That is a profit.

Good now that you have come close to understanding basic economics now we can get to work trying to make you understand RNG. (you still need to compare how much material you used relative to how much you got from the surveys). If you are doing void writs, then its a non-issue. We are discussing end game writs so I think maybe u have a typo in there. Those waxes and tempers you got are RNG. More often than not, you wont get gold mats from equipment writs. Same applies for surveys. So on most days, you will be making a loss.

And 15k for a temper??? and 8k per wax???? Wow ps4 pricing is insane....... Keep doing these writs and tabulate the results like I have done over the past week. You will eventually come to the same conclusion as me as long as you dont forget to account for the usage of mats and the influx of mats from surveys.

I will keep doing them considering I just profited over 24k.
Yes, some prices are high. Yes, I won't get this every time... But I profited more from this than the cost of selling the materials.

I didn't lose gold...I made gold.
KEEP DOING EQUIPMENT WRITS

FloppyTouch

imnotanother wrote: »

Taia wrote: »

imnotanother wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

imnotanother wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

imnotanother wrote: »

Get off your butts and farm the mats. 100% profit.

"There is no such thing as a free lunch. "

.......

Except the whole point of crafting dailies is to help u get mats that you need to craft..... The gold mats are just icing.... Right now its costing me mats.... Id rather just farm mats and NOT do the dailies for an even bigger profit.... Or is simple math a little hard for you to comprehend.... When something costs you more than what you get in return, its not a 100% profit.. Its a LOSS...... In this case a pretty sizeable one...

Simmer down

How is it not 100% profit? You farm mats, take said mats and craft writs, turn in writs and you are rewarded with gold, upgrade materials(able to be sold), gear (able to be sold/decon) glass frags(able to be sold), and surveys (where you can farm mats).

The process cost 0 gold. Using simple math... You make a 100% profit.

But go ahead and continue to be close minded and ignorant to common sense.

....................... Wow im really going to have to explain this step by step arent I.......

1. Farm mats.
2. Refine mats for gold tempers waxes etc
3. Sell refined mats

More profit than doing crafting dailies for equipment writs. Is this really so complex to understand? So educate me again on how you arrived at your 100% profit result?

It is in the quote. It is simple. You are making it hard.

1. Wrothgar, Hews Bane, and Gold Coast have mats...they are free to pick up. (Free)
2. Pick up writ quest. Make gear with free mats you farmed. (Free)
3. Turn in writs. (Free)
4. Open reward packages. (Free)
5. Receive XP, gold, glass frags,Gold upgrades, gear, and surveys. (Profit)
6. Sell upgrades/glass (profit)
7. Sell/decon gear (profit)
8. Farm surveys (free)
9. Refine mats (free)
10. Sell mats/ upgrades (profit)
11. Repeat

Where are you having a hard time understanding my point?

Crafting writs are not a source of gaining materials (considering it cost materials); it is a source to earn gold, XP, glass frags, gold upgrades.

No one argued that farming mats isn't a great way to make money either. Crafting writs are just another source.

Yikes, still doesn't get it.

prof·it
ˈpräfət/
noun
1.
a financial gain, especially the difference between the amount earned and the amount spent in buying, operating, or producing something.

I make money doing writs, more than it cost. (See list and definition above)

Crafting writs have NEVER rewarded more materials than it took to complete the quest.

I feel like I might be the only one that gets it.

I get it it's all profit no matter wat I have no clue wat these guys are getting at that it's not worth doing