Congrats to AD for Winning Tru Flame!

Zheg

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Im not trying to start stuff with anyone in particular. I just dont find stacking 24 people on crown is how the game was meant to be played. Opinions differ though..

Thats why you've found your relevance on the non competitive campaign every cycle for what, almost 2 years now? For the majority of this campaign we could field groups averaging around 16, the fact that you still say 24 demonstrates you're as out of touch as your other posts make you sound. When you run a group larger than the fengrush group, youre actually able to play objectives on your own and defeat competitors running far more - rather than killing a few, complaining about healers, lag, aoe caps, or whatever other excuse you need to justify the fact that you choose to play on minor league campaigns because it would be embarassing to stream yourself losing to an invictus group (or whoever).

You actively avoid fighting where the majority of the stronger guilds fight and than talk like that somehow makes you better? Mojican's smallman played and held their own against the best guilds in the game on competitive campaigns, would you like to clarify why you avoid the competitive campaign so adamantly? Performance has gotten significantly better, healing has had significant nerfs, and aoe caps have never been as unimportant as they are now in the spread and bombard meta. Youre running out of excuses man.

Elong

Zerg the game, zerg the forums, zerg zerg zerg zerg zerg.

Waylander

These threads are always some of the best pvp.

Got to love a close campaign, just for the value of these threads afterwards.

Zheg

Elong wrote: »

Zerg the game, zerg the forums, zerg zerg zerg zerg zerg.

Dont actually admit theyre right, just say zerg!

Elong

Zheg wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

Zerg the game, zerg the forums, zerg zerg zerg zerg zerg.

Dont actually admit theyre right, just say zerg!

Don't ruin my corn please sir.

Telel

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Telel wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Mako1132 wrote: »

PrinceFabious wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

PrinceFabious wrote: »

You do realize TWO zergs rerolled AD right?

Dont you play on Haderous? I certainly don't see you fighting TF at primetime.

Groups like you are why I dont play TF in prime time. Im glad you guys brag about stacking 24 people along with other pugs and guilds that rerolled. If you seriously think thats an accomplishment, then please, keep the guild retired. We dont need that trash

When was the last time your guild won a campaign?

LOL - wrong time to ask that question.

Personally dont care about winning campaigns. Dont know why anyone does, or finds any accomplishment in it. You better have a strong night force if you want to 'win campaigns'.

Not entirely true.



And they still lost.

I dont think they lost. I dont know what this picture is ?

That would be Monday morning mere minutes before a patch.



There's another one mere minutes before the patch. A few seconds later this one was rolled over by at least ten cherries.

Also, those picture were pretty much repeated every time Khajiit found themself up late/ early and decided to pop into Cyrodiil.

So humble Telel must try to be regretful when saying that the people with the biggest group of night cappers and consistent 'zergs' did not do the winning.

Also, neener neener. Again in a regretful and humble khajiit manner.

HoloYoitsu

God_flakes wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Telel wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Mako1132 wrote: »

PrinceFabious wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

PrinceFabious wrote: »

You do realize TWO zergs rerolled AD right?

Dont you play on Haderous? I certainly don't see you fighting TF at primetime.

Groups like you are why I dont play TF in prime time. Im glad you guys brag about stacking 24 people along with other pugs and guilds that rerolled. If you seriously think thats an accomplishment, then please, keep the guild retired. We dont need that trash

When was the last time your guild won a campaign?

LOL - wrong time to ask that question.

Personally dont care about winning campaigns. Dont know why anyone does, or finds any accomplishment in it. You better have a strong night force if you want to 'win campaigns'.

Not entirely true.



And they still lost.

I dont think they lost. I dont know what this picture is ?

Satiar wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

ataggs wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Mako1132 wrote: »

PrinceFabious wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

PrinceFabious wrote: »

You do realize TWO zergs rerolled AD right?

Dont you play on Haderous? I certainly don't see you fighting TF at primetime.

Groups like you are why I dont play TF in prime time. Im glad you guys brag about stacking 24 people along with other pugs and guilds that rerolled. If you seriously think thats an accomplishment, then please, keep the guild retired. We dont need that trash

When was the last time your guild won a campaign?

LOL - wrong time to ask that question.

Personally dont care about winning campaigns. Dont know why anyone does, or finds any accomplishment in it. You better have a strong night force if you want to 'win campaigns'.

Some people care about winning campaigns because they are competitors and team players... Others are just selfish pr***s

Winning campaigns makes you a competitor? LOL. Nightcapping and zerging wins campaigns. Im sure youve embraced one or both of these to achieve your competitive desires.

Ataggs plays in my raid, and we hold the map primetime against groups 3-4 times our size. We did it for 30 days straight and won, that makes her a competitor, yes.

What a coincidence, FENGRUSH holds the map against groups 3-4 times his size too!

And notice how i don't come into your threads and talk *** to you about it.

I didnt come talking smack. I laughed at a very direct comment of someone trying to belittle someones comment by saying "whens the last time your guild won a campaign" - when that guys guild literally was the leading effort in winning the campaign. Total foot in mouth. Then it doesnt matter because 'it wasnt a competitive server, but a buff server' amongst other comments from your guild members.

But its FENGRUSH coming to "your thread' and talking trash? Its actually VE being overly defensive even when trolled and going out of their way to post their relevance. Keep it up. Fabious is on EP faction btw and generally doesnt speak too kindly of me. Niether do your members. I have no issues laughing at people making an idiot of themselves even to my enemies though. Loosen up, kids!

^^^

If anything, if I was AD I would be super insulted that one guild thinks they carried the entire faction to victory. I think all of us old timers realize it truly is a team effort-even when a faction doesn't work well together as a team. As we all know, the pvp community has become so thinned out, even just 24 more bodies in a faction can turn the tide in a campaign. That doesn't mean your guild single handedly won a campaign, it means your extra 24 men tipped the scales. Gratz AD, gratz Ve, happy retirement. Hope to see at least a few of you back on DC side.

Why would anyone want to go back to such a toxic faction?

Please let's not be melodramatic. All 3 factions have their toxicity and drama. Right now you guys are all rainbows and butterflies over Ad. It's whatever. If you're retiring-what do you care what other members of Ve do?

After being in all 3 factions, DC has consistently been by far the most toxic, salt filled refuse pile of any of them in the /zone pvp.

Particularly, the difference between DC and EP is like night and day.

FENGRUSH

Telel wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Telel wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Mako1132 wrote: »

PrinceFabious wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

PrinceFabious wrote: »

You do realize TWO zergs rerolled AD right?

Dont you play on Haderous? I certainly don't see you fighting TF at primetime.

Groups like you are why I dont play TF in prime time. Im glad you guys brag about stacking 24 people along with other pugs and guilds that rerolled. If you seriously think thats an accomplishment, then please, keep the guild retired. We dont need that trash

When was the last time your guild won a campaign?

LOL - wrong time to ask that question.

Personally dont care about winning campaigns. Dont know why anyone does, or finds any accomplishment in it. You better have a strong night force if you want to 'win campaigns'.

Not entirely true.



And they still lost.

I dont think they lost. I dont know what this picture is ?

That would be Monday morning mere minutes before a patch.



There's another one mere minutes before the patch. A few seconds later this one was rolled over by at least ten cherries.

Also, those picture were pretty much repeated every time Khajiit found themself up late/ early and decided to pop into Cyrodiil.

So humble Telel must try to be regretful when saying that the people with the biggest group of night cappers and consistent 'zergs' did not do the winning.

Also, neener neener. Again in a regretful and humble khajiit manner.

So youre showing me a picture of a different campaign at a single moment over 30 days? Thanks for providing nothing informative or on the subject, Telel.

Telel

Satiar wrote: »

It was absolutely a team effort (RAM, Arcane, Fantasia, Telel, TKO), but i have absolutely no problem saying we beasted it out at primetime and I won't play at humility on that.

Actually more Telel's pups than Telel themself. Khajiit was on far far less than most of the pack, and ran groups for relatively short times. Instead they 'delegated' many tasks to the others, and focused on getting newer players equipped, leveled, and focused on playing the map over playing for AP.

So this one would like to take this time to thank their pups @Celas_Dranacea , @Valwe, Pogo, and Domile as well as the couple dozen other COH woofs who put up with grumpy Telel directions. They were the real backbone for COH this cycle. The four singled out each led far more groups for far longer than this one did, and also taught many newer players the basics when this one had lost their patience for it.

Zheg

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Telel wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Telel wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Mako1132 wrote: »

PrinceFabious wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

PrinceFabious wrote: »

You do realize TWO zergs rerolled AD right?

Dont you play on Haderous? I certainly don't see you fighting TF at primetime.

Groups like you are why I dont play TF in prime time. Im glad you guys brag about stacking 24 people along with other pugs and guilds that rerolled. If you seriously think thats an accomplishment, then please, keep the guild retired. We dont need that trash

When was the last time your guild won a campaign?

LOL - wrong time to ask that question.

Personally dont care about winning campaigns. Dont know why anyone does, or finds any accomplishment in it. You better have a strong night force if you want to 'win campaigns'.

Not entirely true.



And they still lost.

I dont think they lost. I dont know what this picture is ?

That would be Monday morning mere minutes before a patch.



There's another one mere minutes before the patch. A few seconds later this one was rolled over by at least ten cherries.

Also, those picture were pretty much repeated every time Khajiit found themself up late/ early and decided to pop into Cyrodiil.

So humble Telel must try to be regretful when saying that the people with the biggest group of night cappers and consistent 'zergs' did not do the winning.

Also, neener neener. Again in a regretful and humble khajiit manner.

So youre showing me a picture of a different campaign at a single moment over 30 days? Thanks for providing nothing informative or on the subject, Telel.

If you actually played on competitive campaigns you wouldnt need to ask telel for more screenshots

Recremen

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Telel wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Telel wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Mako1132 wrote: »

PrinceFabious wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

PrinceFabious wrote: »

You do realize TWO zergs rerolled AD right?

Dont you play on Haderous? I certainly don't see you fighting TF at primetime.

Groups like you are why I dont play TF in prime time. Im glad you guys brag about stacking 24 people along with other pugs and guilds that rerolled. If you seriously think thats an accomplishment, then please, keep the guild retired. We dont need that trash

When was the last time your guild won a campaign?

LOL - wrong time to ask that question.

Personally dont care about winning campaigns. Dont know why anyone does, or finds any accomplishment in it. You better have a strong night force if you want to 'win campaigns'.

Not entirely true.



And they still lost.

I dont think they lost. I dont know what this picture is ?

That would be Monday morning mere minutes before a patch.



There's another one mere minutes before the patch. A few seconds later this one was rolled over by at least ten cherries.

Also, those picture were pretty much repeated every time Khajiit found themself up late/ early and decided to pop into Cyrodiil.

So humble Telel must try to be regretful when saying that the people with the biggest group of night cappers and consistent 'zergs' did not do the winning.

Also, neener neener. Again in a regretful and humble khajiit manner.

So youre showing me a picture of a different campaign at a single moment over 30 days? Thanks for providing nothing informative or on the subject, Telel.

My darling Feng-Feng, please be polite to Telel, they are an absolute treasure and we won't have them tarnished with disrespect.

Telel

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Telel wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Telel wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Mako1132 wrote: »

PrinceFabious wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

PrinceFabious wrote: »

You do realize TWO zergs rerolled AD right?

Dont you play on Haderous? I certainly don't see you fighting TF at primetime.

Groups like you are why I dont play TF in prime time. Im glad you guys brag about stacking 24 people along with other pugs and guilds that rerolled. If you seriously think thats an accomplishment, then please, keep the guild retired. We dont need that trash

When was the last time your guild won a campaign?

LOL - wrong time to ask that question.

Personally dont care about winning campaigns. Dont know why anyone does, or finds any accomplishment in it. You better have a strong night force if you want to 'win campaigns'.

Not entirely true.



And they still lost.

I dont think they lost. I dont know what this picture is ?

That would be Monday morning mere minutes before a patch.



There's another one mere minutes before the patch. A few seconds later this one was rolled over by at least ten cherries.

Also, those picture were pretty much repeated every time Khajiit found themself up late/ early and decided to pop into Cyrodiil.

So humble Telel must try to be regretful when saying that the people with the biggest group of night cappers and consistent 'zergs' did not do the winning.

Also, neener neener. Again in a regretful and humble khajiit manner.

So youre showing me a picture of a different campaign at a single moment over 30 days? Thanks for providing nothing informative or on the subject, Telel.

This one apologizes. Had they known you'd make Nightcapping Trueflame a major point of discussion and focus of your entertainment this one would have made more of an effort to send you pictures of how many pacters were on at five A.M.

Every Day.

For the better part of three weeks.

Sadly no one had requested this one continue their sexy population pic of the morning service and so it was discontinued and its assets sold off to form a new dried blood farm in Vulkhel Guard.

However if you wish to see Telel doing sexy dances next to graphs more often then this one could perhaps be financially compensated into providing this free service.

Flake

We find Tf and DC enjoyable during ocx

maxjapank

Flake wrote: »

We find Tf and DC enjoyable during ocx

Dat right!

Akgurd

It was fun campaign overall with lots of fights.

Only thing it lacked was the purge fix so I can once again enjoy the oil shower.

Outer_Rim

VE claiming they are the best guild to play this game is like Hakeem Olajuwon claiming he was the best player to ever play in the NBA because he won the MVP the year Michael Jordan was playing baseball for lolz. VE is and will continue to be irrelevant outside of their TS. Playing against PUG guilds, if you think Haxus or any other guild you consider "competitive" can beat the level of zerging you do, you truly are delusional. VE was that guild that became something by default of every other guild leaving. If they were around for when there were other competitive guilds around like NM, Alacrity, Havoc HELL even TYSM, would have wiped the floor with VE. It's good your lead posted that message earlier. Cause i am sure guilds will remember when CU come out. I'll be there to see how "competitive" your guild can be. Calling it right now, VE will flood to the faction in CU that has the most ESO guilds together. VE leads, VE players will never ever be superior in any way shape or form to any other competitive guild.

Satiar

Outer_Rim wrote: »

VE claiming they are the best guild to play this game is like Hakeem Olajuwon claiming he was the best player to ever play in the NBA because he won the MVP the year Michael Jordan was playing baseball for lolz. VE is and will continue to be irrelevant outside of their TS. Playing against PUG guilds, if you think Haxus or any other guild you consider "competitive" can beat the level of zerging you do, you truly are delusional. VE was that guild that became something by default of every other guild leaving. If they were around for when there were other competitive guilds around like NM, Alacrity, Havoc HELL even TYSM, would have wiped the floor with VE. It's good your lead posted that message earlier. Cause i am sure guilds will remember when CU come out. I'll be there to see how "competitive" your guild can be. Calling it right now, VE will flood to the faction in CU that has the most ESO guilds together. VE leads, VE players will never ever be superior in any way shape or form to any other competitive guild.

That salt tho

heystreethawk

God_flakes wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Telel wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Mako1132 wrote: »

PrinceFabious wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

PrinceFabious wrote: »

You do realize TWO zergs rerolled AD right?

Dont you play on Haderous? I certainly don't see you fighting TF at primetime.

Groups like you are why I dont play TF in prime time. Im glad you guys brag about stacking 24 people along with other pugs and guilds that rerolled. If you seriously think thats an accomplishment, then please, keep the guild retired. We dont need that trash

When was the last time your guild won a campaign?

LOL - wrong time to ask that question.

Personally dont care about winning campaigns. Dont know why anyone does, or finds any accomplishment in it. You better have a strong night force if you want to 'win campaigns'.

Not entirely true.



And they still lost.

I dont think they lost. I dont know what this picture is ?

Satiar wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

ataggs wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Mako1132 wrote: »

PrinceFabious wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

PrinceFabious wrote: »

You do realize TWO zergs rerolled AD right?

Dont you play on Haderous? I certainly don't see you fighting TF at primetime.

Groups like you are why I dont play TF in prime time. Im glad you guys brag about stacking 24 people along with other pugs and guilds that rerolled. If you seriously think thats an accomplishment, then please, keep the guild retired. We dont need that trash

When was the last time your guild won a campaign?

LOL - wrong time to ask that question.

Personally dont care about winning campaigns. Dont know why anyone does, or finds any accomplishment in it. You better have a strong night force if you want to 'win campaigns'.

Some people care about winning campaigns because they are competitors and team players... Others are just selfish pr***s

Winning campaigns makes you a competitor? LOL. Nightcapping and zerging wins campaigns. Im sure youve embraced one or both of these to achieve your competitive desires.

Ataggs plays in my raid, and we hold the map primetime against groups 3-4 times our size. We did it for 30 days straight and won, that makes her a competitor, yes.

What a coincidence, FENGRUSH holds the map against groups 3-4 times his size too!

And notice how i don't come into your threads and talk *** to you about it.

I didnt come talking smack. I laughed at a very direct comment of someone trying to belittle someones comment by saying "whens the last time your guild won a campaign" - when that guys guild literally was the leading effort in winning the campaign. Total foot in mouth. Then it doesnt matter because 'it wasnt a competitive server, but a buff server' amongst other comments from your guild members.

But its FENGRUSH coming to "your thread' and talking trash? Its actually VE being overly defensive even when trolled and going out of their way to post their relevance. Keep it up. Fabious is on EP faction btw and generally doesnt speak too kindly of me. Niether do your members. I have no issues laughing at people making an idiot of themselves even to my enemies though. Loosen up, kids!

^^^

If anything, if I was AD I would be super insulted that one guild thinks they carried the entire faction to victory. I think all of us old timers realize it truly is a team effort-even when a faction doesn't work well together as a team.

I don't get the impression that VE believes they carried the campaign single-handed -- they were always cooperative with and courteous toward any other group that wanted to play the map, and beyond just personal interactions, they gave plenty of kudos in zone chat to guilds and pugs alike. I never got a self-interested, self-congratulatory, or bullheaded vibe from them about anything.

AD won because AD realized that it was a team effort and worked well together as a team; the atmosphere of the campaign was one of mutual respect and mutual interest, which was in some ways a long-gestating rebound effect of the profound disorganization that my faction has experienced for close to a year. We have our fair clump of freelance naysayers and armchair generals among the population, but the majority of our upper-tier guilds came into the campaign with a shared sense of responsibility for the map and earnest desire to help one another out.

We all made minor game-scale sacrifices in service of responsibility and camaraderie -- I have no doubt that every guild, at least once a night, pulled back halfway from their intended (and more fun-sounding) destination to shore up the ramparts of an underdefended or outright undefended keep under siege. We all scrambled to protect our territories, we tried to think strategically about the effects of our pushes rather than just the AP to be gained or the likelihood of our respective successes, and we all rode to Brindle from Fare at least once because Roe was under attack and another guild had already called out that they were defending it. We stacked guilds under circumstances where our combined forces were still outnumbered against the enemy, and we worked out our gameplans beforehand.

We worked together beautifully as a faction and checked our egos at the door, and that's something that I felt Vehemence explicitly appreciated. They have every right to be proud of their contributions; they were a top-shelf team that played for long stretches of time almost every night, and they could handle the tough fights.

HoloYoitsu

Outer_Rim wrote: »

VE claiming they are the best guild to play this game is like Hakeem Olajuwon claiming he was the best player to ever play in the NBA because he won the MVP the year Michael Jordan was playing baseball for lolz. VE is and will continue to be irrelevant outside of their TS. Playing against PUG guilds, if you think Haxus or any other guild you consider "competitive" can beat the level of zerging you do, you truly are delusional. VE was that guild that became something by default of every other guild leaving. If they were around for when there were other competitive guilds around like NM, Alacrity, Havoc HELL even TYSM, would have wiped the floor with VE. It's good your lead posted that message earlier. Cause i am sure guilds will remember when CU come out. I'll be there to see how "competitive" your guild can be. Calling it right now, VE will flood to the faction in CU that has the most ESO guilds together. VE leads, VE players will never ever be superior in any way shape or form to any other competitive guild.

Someone didn't do their homework. The core of our guild is made up of players who came from "NM, Alacrity, Havoc HELL even TSYM". So please do explain how a guild made up of players from guilds, which you yourself have just acknowledged to be good guilds, is itself somehow a trash guild that "will never ever be superior in any way shape or form to any other competitive guild"?

It sounds like you read the "add salt to taste" part of the recipe and decided you may as well start with a horse's salt block.

maxjapank

heystreethawk wrote: »

I don't get the impression that VE believes they carried the campaign single-handed -- they were always cooperative with and courteous toward any other group that wanted to play the map, and beyond just personal interactions, they gave plenty of kudos in zone chat to guilds and pugs alike. I never got a self-interested, self-congratulatory, or bullheaded vibe from them about anything.

Yar. It's a shame this thread has turned into so much bickering. Perhaps my initial post led it to this direction. That wasn't the intention. I just needed to comment on how NA Primetime has a way of over-looking the efforts of Oceanic guilds and players. But truly, it is the effort of all involved that leads to a successful win.

On another note, I hope that everyone realizes that it is just a game. And a fun one, too. I know that some care about winning the campaign, but I think even those people really just log in to have fun fights. That's what keeps everyone coming back day after day, night after night. To have fun fights, right?

Minnesinger

2 years of this game and players can still make threads like this. Well deserved win. So much fun to play. AD did what it did 2 years ago when DiE, Decibel and Alacrity were still running. If nothing else we did it for the old times. Hope the current AD guilds will continue to run. That gives every enemy guild something to weight what to do.

Outer_Rim

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Outer_Rim wrote: »

VE claiming they are the best guild to play this game is like Hakeem Olajuwon claiming he was the best player to ever play in the NBA because he won the MVP the year Michael Jordan was playing baseball for lolz. VE is and will continue to be irrelevant outside of their TS. Playing against PUG guilds, if you think Haxus or any other guild you consider "competitive" can beat the level of zerging you do, you truly are delusional. VE was that guild that became something by default of every other guild leaving. If they were around for when there were other competitive guilds around like NM, Alacrity, Havoc HELL even TYSM, would have wiped the floor with VE. It's good your lead posted that message earlier. Cause i am sure guilds will remember when CU come out. I'll be there to see how "competitive" your guild can be. Calling it right now, VE will flood to the faction in CU that has the most ESO guilds together. VE leads, VE players will never ever be superior in any way shape or form to any other competitive guild.

Someone didn't do their homework. The core of our guild is made up of players who came from "NM, Alacrity, Havoc HELL even TSYM". So please do explain how a guild made up of players from guilds, which you yourself have just acknowledged to be good guilds, is itself somehow a trash guild that "will never ever be superior in any way shape or form to any other competitive guild"?

It sounds like you read the "add salt to taste" part of the recipe and decided you may as well start with a horse's salt block.

It's actually fairly simple, in terms of leads Hova>Anon>Bale>Alacrity leads. None of them are part of VE, so by default no VE lead would be able to outperform any of them. Second in terms of players individual players, after you go past 12 players in a group all players in that group stop being individual in terms of skill so in terms of former players from the guilds i mentioned playing in VE well at one point they could have been decent but the way i see it VE got the weakest of those players or the groups(exception being AOE bbq) were so big were it didn't really matter who they were and you could have stuck 24 potatoes and they would have accomplished the same thing, it isn't that difficult to understand.

heystreethawk

maxjapank wrote: »

heystreethawk wrote: »

I don't get the impression that VE believes they carried the campaign single-handed -- they were always cooperative with and courteous toward any other group that wanted to play the map, and beyond just personal interactions, they gave plenty of kudos in zone chat to guilds and pugs alike. I never got a self-interested, self-congratulatory, or bullheaded vibe from them about anything.

Yar. It's a shame this thread has turned into so much bickering. Perhaps my initial post led it to this direction. That wasn't the intention. I just needed to comment on how NA Primetime has a way of over-looking the efforts of Oceanic guilds and players. But truly, it is the effort of all involved that leads to a successful win.

On another note, I hope that everyone realizes that it is just a game. And a fun one, too. I know that some care about winning the campaign, but I think even those people really just log in to have fun fights. That's what keeps everyone coming back day after day, night after night. To have fun fights, right?

Aye: fights first and winning third, right behind being on a team that clicks well and has a blast together. If the fights weren't great, the friends weren't keepers and the victories weren't hard won feats of endurance, the prospect of victory would not have ever been appealing :]

frozywozy

That AD vid with Hellspawn and Luvboard always make me feel nostalgic about this game.. good old times. And that troll thread is always great to read. haha gj @Mako1132 !

Regarding people who play to win the campaign, there is a very valid reason for that. I understand that most people expect action during primetime NA eastcoast usually. What happen outside of this timeline is called "off hours" and usually is interpreted anti-competitive and not valid to determine who won a campaign.

Still, at the end of the day, some people play video games for the strategic aspect. Not to slaughter people over and over without any goal or mission in the background. I've explained this times and times again before. The best comparaison is Call of Duty and Battlefield. Some people prefer real fast action and will play CoD. Some other people like myself like to have an objective behind all the killing and will play Battlefield. Each his own. I like to analyze where enemy troups are and try to juke them by hitting where they don't expect me to be and to get as many points as we can on the scoreboard. I don't care if we really deserved to win a campaign or not. At least I worked for it.

HoloYoitsu

Outer_Rim wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Outer_Rim wrote: »

VE claiming they are the best guild to play this game is like Hakeem Olajuwon claiming he was the best player to ever play in the NBA because he won the MVP the year Michael Jordan was playing baseball for lolz. VE is and will continue to be irrelevant outside of their TS. Playing against PUG guilds, if you think Haxus or any other guild you consider "competitive" can beat the level of zerging you do, you truly are delusional. VE was that guild that became something by default of every other guild leaving. If they were around for when there were other competitive guilds around like NM, Alacrity, Havoc HELL even TYSM, would have wiped the floor with VE. It's good your lead posted that message earlier. Cause i am sure guilds will remember when CU come out. I'll be there to see how "competitive" your guild can be. Calling it right now, VE will flood to the faction in CU that has the most ESO guilds together. VE leads, VE players will never ever be superior in any way shape or form to any other competitive guild.

Someone didn't do their homework. The core of our guild is made up of players who came from "NM, Alacrity, Havoc HELL even TSYM". So please do explain how a guild made up of players from guilds, which you yourself have just acknowledged to be good guilds, is itself somehow a trash guild that "will never ever be superior in any way shape or form to any other competitive guild"?

It sounds like you read the "add salt to taste" part of the recipe and decided you may as well start with a horse's salt block.

It's actually fairly simple, in terms of leads Hova>Anon>Bale>Alacrity leads. None of them are part of VE, so by default no VE lead would be able to outperform any of them. Second in terms of players individual players, after you go past 12 players in a group all players in that group stop being individual in terms of skill so in terms of former players from the guilds i mentioned playing in VE well at one point they could have been decent but the way i see it VE got the weakest of those players or the groups(exception being AOE bbq) were so big were it didn't really matter who they were and you could have stuck 24 potatoes and they would have accomplished the same thing, it isn't that difficult to understand.

Thank you for clarifying that you are an oversalted potato who resents what other less salted potatoes have achieved in the game over the past year.

All the guilds you mentioned ran full raids, so if I'm to take you at face value, you're telling me that the only "skill" in those guilds was in their raid leads and that the rest of their players were mere potatoes? After playing in Havoc offtime/primetime groups on a daily basis for months, I can assure you that is not the case. Of course, I know that's not what you're trying to imply: you're simply trying to construct an argument that justifies your levels of NaCl. I would just prefer that you desalinate yourself before making such claims.

Might I interest you in a game that you may find more suiting to your tastes?


PS: It's funny you say BBQ is the exception; last I checked, he isn't even a real DK anymore.

saintofmirrors

You nerds crack me up. Congrats on the win everyone.

Satiar

Outer_Rim wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Outer_Rim wrote: »

VE claiming they are the best guild to play this game is like Hakeem Olajuwon claiming he was the best player to ever play in the NBA because he won the MVP the year Michael Jordan was playing baseball for lolz. VE is and will continue to be irrelevant outside of their TS. Playing against PUG guilds, if you think Haxus or any other guild you consider "competitive" can beat the level of zerging you do, you truly are delusional. VE was that guild that became something by default of every other guild leaving. If they were around for when there were other competitive guilds around like NM, Alacrity, Havoc HELL even TYSM, would have wiped the floor with VE. It's good your lead posted that message earlier. Cause i am sure guilds will remember when CU come out. I'll be there to see how "competitive" your guild can be. Calling it right now, VE will flood to the faction in CU that has the most ESO guilds together. VE leads, VE players will never ever be superior in any way shape or form to any other competitive guild.

Someone didn't do their homework. The core of our guild is made up of players who came from "NM, Alacrity, Havoc HELL even TSYM". So please do explain how a guild made up of players from guilds, which you yourself have just acknowledged to be good guilds, is itself somehow a trash guild that "will never ever be superior in any way shape or form to any other competitive guild"?

It sounds like you read the "add salt to taste" part of the recipe and decided you may as well start with a horse's salt block.

It's actually fairly simple, in terms of leads Hova>Anon>Bale>Alacrity leads. None of them are part of VE, so by default no VE lead would be able to outperform any of them. Second in terms of players individual players, after you go past 12 players in a group all players in that group stop being individual in terms of skill so in terms of former players from the guilds i mentioned playing in VE well at one point they could have been decent but the way i see it VE got the weakest of those players or the groups(exception being AOE bbq) were so big were it didn't really matter who they were and you could have stuck 24 potatoes and they would have accomplished the same thing, it isn't that difficult to understand.

I'd say this is a slightly more reasonable post, you get to pick your favorite leads. Anon, Bale, Hova and the rest were great leads for certain, and if you prefer them that's up to you (as much as it breaks my heart as a VE lead to hear it ) .

But I'd say it makes you look silly calling us trash when most of us have played and succeeded along with those you mentioned, as well as with VE. Who is actually the best guild is just a matter of preference. As to 24 potatoes being able to accomplish the same thing... considering how many we killed 24v24, 24v40, 24v60, etc, I'd say that statement lacks logic. Just as with VE groups, with Havoc groups, with Deci groups, etc, it's easy to see the difference between a good group of 20 and a bunch of potatoes.

Satiar

heystreethawk wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Telel wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Mako1132 wrote: »

PrinceFabious wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

PrinceFabious wrote: »

You do realize TWO zergs rerolled AD right?

Dont you play on Haderous? I certainly don't see you fighting TF at primetime.

Groups like you are why I dont play TF in prime time. Im glad you guys brag about stacking 24 people along with other pugs and guilds that rerolled. If you seriously think thats an accomplishment, then please, keep the guild retired. We dont need that trash

When was the last time your guild won a campaign?

LOL - wrong time to ask that question.

Personally dont care about winning campaigns. Dont know why anyone does, or finds any accomplishment in it. You better have a strong night force if you want to 'win campaigns'.

Not entirely true.



And they still lost.

I dont think they lost. I dont know what this picture is ?

Satiar wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

ataggs wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Mako1132 wrote: »

PrinceFabious wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

PrinceFabious wrote: »

You do realize TWO zergs rerolled AD right?

Dont you play on Haderous? I certainly don't see you fighting TF at primetime.

Groups like you are why I dont play TF in prime time. Im glad you guys brag about stacking 24 people along with other pugs and guilds that rerolled. If you seriously think thats an accomplishment, then please, keep the guild retired. We dont need that trash

When was the last time your guild won a campaign?

LOL - wrong time to ask that question.

Personally dont care about winning campaigns. Dont know why anyone does, or finds any accomplishment in it. You better have a strong night force if you want to 'win campaigns'.

Some people care about winning campaigns because they are competitors and team players... Others are just selfish pr***s

Winning campaigns makes you a competitor? LOL. Nightcapping and zerging wins campaigns. Im sure youve embraced one or both of these to achieve your competitive desires.

Ataggs plays in my raid, and we hold the map primetime against groups 3-4 times our size. We did it for 30 days straight and won, that makes her a competitor, yes.

What a coincidence, FENGRUSH holds the map against groups 3-4 times his size too!

And notice how i don't come into your threads and talk *** to you about it.

I didnt come talking smack. I laughed at a very direct comment of someone trying to belittle someones comment by saying "whens the last time your guild won a campaign" - when that guys guild literally was the leading effort in winning the campaign. Total foot in mouth. Then it doesnt matter because 'it wasnt a competitive server, but a buff server' amongst other comments from your guild members.

But its FENGRUSH coming to "your thread' and talking trash? Its actually VE being overly defensive even when trolled and going out of their way to post their relevance. Keep it up. Fabious is on EP faction btw and generally doesnt speak too kindly of me. Niether do your members. I have no issues laughing at people making an idiot of themselves even to my enemies though. Loosen up, kids!

^^^

If anything, if I was AD I would be super insulted that one guild thinks they carried the entire faction to victory. I think all of us old timers realize it truly is a team effort-even when a faction doesn't work well together as a team.

I don't get the impression that VE believes they carried the campaign single-handed -- they were always cooperative with and courteous toward any other group that wanted to play the map, and beyond just personal interactions, they gave plenty of kudos in zone chat to guilds and pugs alike. I never got a self-interested, self-congratulatory, or bullheaded vibe from them about anything.

AD won because AD realized that it was a team effort and worked well together as a team; the atmosphere of the campaign was one of mutual respect and mutual interest, which was in some ways a long-gestating rebound effect of the profound disorganization that my faction has experienced for close to a year. We have our fair clump of freelance naysayers and armchair generals among the population, but the majority of our upper-tier guilds came into the campaign with a shared sense of responsibility for the map and earnest desire to help one another out.

We all made minor game-scale sacrifices in service of responsibility and camaraderie -- I have no doubt that every guild, at least once a night, pulled back halfway from their intended (and more fun-sounding) destination to shore up the ramparts of an underdefended or outright undefended keep under siege. We all scrambled to protect our territories, we tried to think strategically about the effects of our pushes rather than just the AP to be gained or the likelihood of our respective successes, and we all rode to Brindle from Fare at least once because Roe was under attack and another guild had already called out that they were defending it. We stacked guilds under circumstances where our combined forces were still outnumbered against the enemy, and we worked out our gameplans beforehand.

We worked together beautifully as a faction and checked our egos at the door, and that's something that I felt Vehemence explicitly appreciated. They have every right to be proud of their contributions; they were a top-shelf team that played for long stretches of time almost every night, and they could handle the tough fights.

Thanks mate. We're under no illusions we could have done it alone. It's hard to walk the line between pride and humility (as i think everyone knows), we're all just on a bit of a high from securing the win and playing our last campaign as a guild in ESO. Thanks for the benefit of the doubt and the battlefield support!

ataggs

Outer_Rim wrote: »

VE claiming they are the best guild to play this game is like Hakeem Olajuwon claiming he was the best player to ever play in the NBA because he won the MVP the year Michael Jordan was playing baseball for lolz. VE is and will continue to be irrelevant outside of their TS. Playing against PUG guilds, if you think Haxus or any other guild you consider "competitive" can beat the level of zerging you do, you truly are delusional. VE was that guild that became something by default of every other guild leaving. If they were around for when there were other competitive guilds around like NM, Alacrity, Havoc HELL even TYSM, would have wiped the floor with VE. It's good your lead posted that message earlier. Cause i am sure guilds will remember when CU come out. I'll be there to see how "competitive" your guild can be. Calling it right now, VE will flood to the faction in CU that has the most ESO guilds together. VE leads, VE players will never ever be superior in any way shape or form to any other competitive guild.

VE is LeBron James with championships playing with different teams. LeBron may not be Jordan but he is still led his team back from being down 3-1 in the finals. While it was an entire team effort with Kyrie, JR, and K-Love, Lebron was the MVP. VE is not the only reason AD won but someone has to be the MVP

Humphie

Congrats AD! Was a Team effort though and not only VE kicked it. @telel @Akgurd and many other's had part in that too.