Templars are not scaling correctly on console

Trenia

Templars sweeps and jabs are not scaling with thaum on console right now, since the update. PC is not having a problem with this. Why did this bug get to console only?

Panth141

This was a problem in PTS but was fixed - @Trenia can you pop up some values so that we can see?

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom - did the Thaumaturge fix make it into the console patch?

KingYogi415

Sweeps does not show up in orange. Is it a DoT?

DRXHarbinger

Thought as much. My templar cannot get through round 3 on vma at all. I'm just too weak. My stam nightblade just cut through everything. Either that or they buffed thier spell res and lowered physical res of everything in there.

Thal

My favorite bug from last night is being on Wayrest final boss and then activity finder decided to fire off and put us into another instance with 5 people

Peekachu99

This is worrying. That's Templar bread n' butter. Can anyone else confirm this? With data, ideally? I mostly tank so I won't notice much of a change in dps output. Unless it's truly abysmal.

Oh, make sure you reallocated you CP, too, since I think those were reset. You probably did. But it's worth mentioning anyway.

Trenia

I reallocated all my points to mighty on my magicka templar from thaum. The damage numbers did not change at all for sweeps. It was immediately noticeable when I logged on. I had my buddies confirm it.

SneaK

Unfortunately I don't expect ZOS to lift a finger on this, "console" is in the title of the thread.

Peekachu99

I'll test this with jabs in a few mins when I log on and report back. Maybe it's only affecting sweeps. We should isolate the error.

NewBlacksmurf

Did you all create a ticket on the console?
I'm finding that just discussing it only allows the community to talk about it but if you want actions taken, everyone needs to create a ticket.

Just sharing as I just got a response on the Xbox one crashing issues.
I think if you're using the stamina based morph it does significantly less damage as its based on weapon damage. My spell damage is higher so I chose the magic based and its waaay higher.

Just sharing...

Trenia

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Did you all create a ticket on the console?
I'm finding that just discussing it only allows the community to talk about it but if you want actions taken, everyone needs to create a ticket.

Just sharing as I just got a response on the Xbox one crashing issues.
I think if you're using the stamina based morph it does significantly less damage as its based on weapon damage. My spell damage is higher so I chose the magic based and its waaay higher.

Just sharing...

I created a ticket, but I haven't got any word back yet.

KingYogi415

Templar has a broken skill?

They fixed focused charge so fast though, we should be fine...

ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Panth141 wrote: »

This was a problem in PTS but was fixed - @Trenia can you pop up some values so that we can see?

Did the Thaumaturge fix make it into the console patch?

There was a fix for Thaumaturge that went in with the Dark Brotherhood update on all platforms. Here is the note (and known issue):

The Ritual
Thaumaturge: Fixed an issue where this Champion ability was increasing the damage of various non-damage over time effects, such as Daedric Curse or Magicka Detonation.
Known Issue: This champion passive is not increasing the tooltip values of some area of effect ticking abilities, such as Ash Cloud or Path of Darkness. However, the actual damage values are being increased.

May we get a few more details about what you're encountering since today's patch?

Trenia

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

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Panth141 wrote: »

This was a problem in PTS but was fixed - @Trenia can you pop up some values so that we can see?

Did the Thaumaturge fix make it into the console patch?

There was a fix for Thaumaturge that went in with the Dark Brotherhood update on all platforms. Here is the note (and known issue):

show previous quotes

The Ritual
Thaumaturge: Fixed an issue where this Champion ability was increasing the damage of various non-damage over time effects, such as Daedric Curse or Magicka Detonation.
Known Issue: This champion passive is not increasing the tooltip values of some area of effect ticking abilities, such as Ash Cloud or Path of Darkness. However, the actual damage values are being increased.

May we get a few more details about what you're encountering since today's patch?

We were told that "fix" was never meant to apply to jabs and sweeps. PC players jabs/sweeps are scaling with thaum, and console is not. I am not sure what else to tell you beyond that.

Panth141

@Trenia

EDIT: See post #17

Trenia

Panth141 wrote: »

@Trenia

I don't have a stamplar but I do have a brand new magplar, just ran tests taking advantage of the CP reset:

No CP, non-crit: 1074 (or was it 1094?)

30 CP in thaum, non-crit: 1134

So it definitely is working on puncturing sweeps on PS4; I can't speak for jabs.

Did you distribute those points elsewhere? Or did you just take them out of thaum. You lose stats if you have unallocated CP that will cause a dmg difference. with 75 pts in thaum on a magicka build my sweeps are hitting 4484. With 75 pts in mighty, my sweeps are also hitting for 4484. I have a feeling you didn't allocate those points. I doubt the bug would be exclusive to xbox.

Panth141

Trenia wrote: »

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Panth141 wrote: »

@Trenia

I don't have a stamplar but I do have a brand new magplar, just ran tests taking advantage of the CP reset:

No CP, non-crit: 1074 (or was it 1094?)

30 CP in thaum, non-crit: 1134

So it definitely is working on puncturing sweeps on PS4; I can't speak for jabs.

Did you distribute those points elsewhere? Or did you just take them out of thaum. You lose stats if you have unallocated CP that will cause a dmg difference. with 75 pts in thaum on a magicka build my sweeps are hitting 4484. With 75 pts in mighty, my sweeps are also hitting for 4484. I have a feeling you didn't allocate those points. I doubt the bug would be exclusive to xbox.

Fair point
I'll test now and edit this post

EDIT:

Right...
@Trenia
@ZoS_JessicaFolsom

No allocated CP, non-crit:

1094 Puncturing sweep damage

30 CP allocated in thaumaturge, no other CP allocated, non-crit:

1134 Puncturing sweep damage

30 CP allocated in blessed, no other CP allocated, non-crit:

1134 Puncturing sweep damage


As Trenia suggested, the damage increase is simply due to the commitment of blue CP - thaumaturge is not buffing Puncturing Sweeps.

NewBlacksmurf

Trenia wrote: »

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Panth141 wrote: »

@Trenia

I don't have a stamplar but I do have a brand new magplar, just ran tests taking advantage of the CP reset:

No CP, non-crit: 1074 (or was it 1094?)

30 CP in thaum, non-crit: 1134

So it definitely is working on puncturing sweeps on PS4; I can't speak for jabs.

Did you distribute those points elsewhere? Or did you just take them out of thaum. You lose stats if you have unallocated CP that will cause a dmg difference. with 75 pts in thaum on a magicka build my sweeps are hitting 4484. With 75 pts in mighty, my sweeps are also hitting for 4484. I have a feeling you didn't allocate those points. I doubt the bug would be exclusive to xbox.

I did distribute mine and I'm magic based and its a bump up but maybe Stam isn't the way to go based on the changes

Peekachu99

Seems fine. Damage went up and base damage looks okay. The animations and stuff are slower though. I kinda like it, tbh.

Justice31st

KingYogi415 wrote: »

Templar has a broken skill?

They fixed focused charge so fast though, we should be fine...

No kidding, and Wrobel tricked us by saying that Templar will be getting a buff called ritual of retribution, however the aoe grants cc immunity. And the reactive armor procs from the aoe, and also fallsalas guile. @Wrobel Why do you always forsake the Templar? Are you trying to get everyone to play a stamina nightblade?

elium85

Please fix this. I'm so tired of trying to figure out which class is the least broken every update.

kholsh

Maybe they should boost stamina players more. Just get rid of magica all together

N0TPLAYER2

Tham doesn't increase sweeps right? It's magic damage right?

Sweeps are white and yellow, not orange. So I put nothing into tham, and get 1100-1200 per sweep without crits. When critting I am seeing 5k-7k sometimes lol. So tham doesn't increase damage, right?

It used to before thieves guild but it's been changed, right?? Lol

Justice31st

elium85 wrote: »

Please fix this. I'm so tired of trying to figure out which class is the least broken every update.

It seems like Templar has been the meta for the most broken class or nerfed every update for awhile now.

Justice31st

kholsh wrote: »

Maybe they should boost stamina players more. Just get rid of magica all together

Not a bad idea, or how about listen to the stamina masses and just give them a max stamina shield so they can turn into sorcerers on steroids and win the game.

Justice31st

N0TPLAYER2 wrote: »

Tham doesn't increase sweeps right? It's magic damage right?

Sweeps are white and yellow, not orange. So I put nothing into tham, and get 1100-1200 per sweep without crits. When critting I am seeing 5k-7k sometimes lol. So tham doesn't increase damage, right?

It used to before thieves guild but it's been changed, right?? Lol

Sweeps has both been buffed by elemental expert and thaumaturge before. It is a magicka based skill (elemental expert) and a channeled ability (thaumaturge)

danno8

You guys are looking at actual damage right? Not just tooltips?

Also if you are finding stuff harder, it may be because Sweeps can no longer crit on the heal portion. The heal is only scaled up proportionally from a crit from the damage protion. It used to do both, and it is noticeable.

Panth141

@N0TPLAYER2

ZoS have previously gone on the record stating that puncturing strikes and morphs should be buffed by Thaumaturge.


@danno8

Yep - all of my above values are actual damage on actual enemies


@Molag_Crow

... I thought that this may be of interest to you! I'd be grateful if you could double check, too.

danno8

Panth141 wrote: »

@danno8

Yep - all of my above values are actual damage on actual enemies

Hmm interesting. Yes it was broken on the PTS up to the week before DB going live, at which point it was fixed. Tested and verified by myself and others.

I will have to test it again to make sure it didn't resurface in the past few patches on PC.

3000 gold...again.

elium85

@danno8 I think that's ZOS's latest gold sink: respec's to test what's broken in game.

Justice31st

elium85 wrote: »

@danno8 I think that's ZOS's latest gold sink: respec's to test what's broken in game.

LMAO.