I don't usually talk but I feel it necessary today. There's a lot of evidence against some of these players out there on top of a several witnesses. Yet, I keep hearing people say "Do you have a link to a video that proofs it?" Do we really need video proof for ZOS to take action? Does non of this compiled evidence and eye witness accounts mean nothing here? So here is a little of my thoughts, just a little. Curious if I'm the only one that thinks this video proof thing is a sham to divert the issue.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=FRXq2RR1rFA
There ain't too many ways to get a response from ZOS, I figure.
I mean a real response, not some half-baked copy n' paste from a community manager.
Efficient anti-cheats need resources invested.
Only management can untie the purse strings and dedicate those resources.
Thing is, management is real happy 'cause folks are buying tacky 4,000-crowns mounts.
So to prompt a response from top-brass - ZOS's response to cheating needs to be NUKED IN THE MEDIA.
@Turelus @Pomaikai @Ch4mpTW if I'm not mistaken have already mentioned a will and means to do just that.
A scrub like me who cares but ain't got no valuable connections, but is willing to chip in regardless, needs a template message and a distribution list, or something along those lines - I for one will play my part.
If anyone here is sceptical, please please take the time to read @Crown's post here.
This post shows how long the issue has been around, and how outfriggin'rageously disgraceful ZOS's response has been so far.
Further evidence of this can be found at 7:17 into @FENGRUSH's video - where you learn that before the case two weeks ago snowballed into this here forum drama (with no hint whatsoever that it all led to anything beyond words and four-day "permabans"), the most blatant cheaters were issued a mere 8-hour ban for spamming meteors.
So, yeah.
When is enough just gonna be enough?
#SaveThisGameNukeItInThePress
Don't worry guys, @ZOS_JessicaFolsom is just busy responding to other, more important issues today like the ones below. They'll get around to addressing this in the future, maybe.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/comment/3076714#Comment_3076714
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/comment/3077196#Comment_3077196
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/comment/3076669#Comment_3076669
For those who saw the cheaters return, are we sure that they were banned in the first place, or merely suspended?
God_flakes wrote: »
The 'word on the street' should get the managers name and report them. The amount of liability ZoS opens itself up to through unequal rule application can be retirement worthy and even a good old boy system will crumble when money is on the line.
I have no doubt this will also come out. @Makkir we could put you on the case. Hue hue hue
I have no way of knowing what ZOS is doing in regards to this issue, but have you considered the possibility that they have people working on this and are simply keeping quiet about it for the sake of, as they've said, catching people in the act and not giving them the opportunity to find a way around any fix they implement?
It's just a thought. Hackers are bad for business. I can guarantee they know that. Yes, it's taking a while but perhaps it's more complex of a fix than originally intended? Again, I don't know. But I just wouldn't be so quick to assume that the sky is falling.
Wrong. The problem is in fact 100% THE CHEATS!!!!!
It has been from the start.
How other MMO Games have handled Cheating/Exploiting/Botting or account security.
World of Warcraft
List of in game violations: https://us.battle.net/support/en/article/300736 / https://us.battle.net/support/en/article/200475
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/17347095985
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/2299938/account-security-and-you-yes-you-2-16-2011
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/13742212/heartbleed-account-security-notice-4-10-2014
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20744124429
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/17611531106
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/16885292570
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/16517812096?page=2#31
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/7340145661?page=2#30
Guild Wars / Guild Wars 2
Exploit Meaning: https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Exploit
https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/support/support/How-to-Report-Cheaters-or-Exploiters
SWTOR
Rules of Conduct: http://www.swtor.com/legalnotices/rulesofconduct
http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=789578
http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=120099
http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=880092
http://www.swtor.com/blog/action-being-taken-against-exploits-and-cheats
http://www.swtor.com/blog/action-being-taken-against-fraudulent-payment-activity
http://www.swtor.com/blog/developer-blog-busting-bugs-and-fixing-exploits
Black Desert Online
http://forum.blackdesertonline.com/index.php?/topic/91821-ban-waves/
http://forum.blackdesertonline.com/index.php?/topic/83276-hacker-hunting-initiative/
EVE Online
Known & Declared Exploits: https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/204873262-Known-Declared-Exploits
Suspension and Ban Policy: https://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/suspension-and-ban-policy/
https://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/macro-users-banned/
https://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/drone-exploit-warning/
https://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/exploit-warning/
https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/team-security-now-with-100-percent-more-anti-rmt/
https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/overlays-isk-buyer-amnesty-and-account-security/
https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/begun-the-bot-war-has/
https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/client-modification-the-eula-and-you/
https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/unholy-rage/
EVE Online Team Security Presentations2012: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UG13u9KKtzE
2013: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Vd-CpnjvAM
2014: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CZR9w3ftjY
2015: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBD7CL9oQqE
Tree of Savior
This is a game released this year which have a very rough launch and was riddled with bots, they have done more active work in two months than I have seen from ZOS two years. The fact there are so many bots being a separate issue look how often they update people on bans done. I actually decided to stop posting links because there were so many.
https://treeofsavior.com/news/?n=377
https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/banned-boleto-exploit-abusers/200822
https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/accounts-banned-for-abuse-april-19th-2016/204251
https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/accounts-banned-for-abuse-april-22nd-2016/210857
https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/accounts-banned-for-abuse-april-23rd-2016/212617
https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/accounts-banned-for-abuse-april-24th-2016/214434
https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/accounts-banned-for-abuse-april-30th-2016/235489
https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/accounts-banned-for-abuse-may-2nd-2016/241520
https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/accounts-banned-for-abuse-april-21st-2016/208699
I could keep going but honestly I have spent a good 30mins of my evening on this already and would rather play some games, I think this should be enough to prove my point however.
As a fun side note, every time I type a game into Google now it recommends "exploits" as the next word.
I don't usually talk but I feel it necessary today. There's a lot of evidence against some of these players out there on top of a several witnesses. Yet, I keep hearing people say "Do you have a link to a video that proofs it?" Do we really need video proof for ZOS to take action? Does non of this compiled evidence and eye witness accounts mean nothing here? So here is a little of my thoughts, just a little. Curious if I'm the only one that thinks this video proof thing is a sham to divert the issue.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=FRXq2RR1rFA
Other than the constant assault to those with nasal allergies, not a bad rant
You know how I feel about cheaters I think, evidence + jury of your peers is to me the most safe and fair way
rfennell_ESO wrote: »Yah obviously the entire reason why they keep clamoring for video proof is they know most people don't record everything.
rfennell_ESO wrote: »I don't usually talk but I feel it necessary today. There's a lot of evidence against some of these players out there on top of a several witnesses. Yet, I keep hearing people say "Do you have a link to a video that proofs it?" Do we really need video proof for ZOS to take action? Does non of this compiled evidence and eye witness accounts mean nothing here? So here is a little of my thoughts, just a little. Curious if I'm the only one that thinks this video proof thing is a sham to divert the issue.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=FRXq2RR1rFA
Other than the constant assault to those with nasal allergies, not a bad rant
You know how I feel about cheaters I think, evidence + jury of your peers is to me the most safe and fair way
Yah obviously the entire reason why they keep clamoring for video proof is they know most people don't record everything. Even if so, they will have a "animation cancelling" or some other bs excuse to explain even if you do have video proof.
It reminds me of when I was on a crusade versus Havoc and what they were doing to servers. Oh I got attacked by their sycophants a lot.... I got called for video proof constantly. Fact was they were intentionally lagging out the servers.... They were even running hacked clients. They didn't pass the smell test.
Now... I get attacked by the sycophants a lot, they demand video proof... they attack me for not giving them a character name to harass in game. They don't pass the smell test though.
Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »Whoever is managing this game needs to start talking about this live. Not buried in a reguarly scheduled eso live. I'm talking about announcing a time and location for the twitch feed in a forum wide banner. Then I want to see a legitimate head of the company make a statement in a freaking suit and tie about what is being done, why people were unbanned, and how you are going to rebuild our trust in you and the integrity of the game.
I don't want to see tigerpants and tee-shirts telling me everything is being taken care of, I want to see a suit and tie manager. Tigerpants and tee-shirts are fine for eso live but this is serious business and needs to be addressed in an official capacity.
In this business the guy in a tie and jacket doesn't know jack and would only be giving us the business. The one in tiger stripped pants and a T-shirt is the only one who understands how code works.
TBH if you want this fixed, start hitting up gaming and MMO media news sites which have the guts to post critics and send them this for an article.
This isn't something I've wanted to actually see done because it's going to damage the reputation of ESO more than it already has been in the past.
However generally when the media start running stories and the stink is leaving the safety confines of internal forums the suits start to get scared.
I've been tempted to reach out to some sites which have run critic of previous MMO issues but don't want to cause more harm than good. At this point however I don't know any other way to actually make someone important at ZOS realise this is BS and against everything people expect with an MMO.
Someone important like @ZOS_MattFiror should have spoken about this long ago, not continued to use the community team as a proxy.
Once I'm home and off the bus I'm going to get a link spam list of every other MMO handling issues like this and ask ZOS WTF is stopping them doing the same.
RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »Before anyone continues to say this is a witchunt
From the following Youtube Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbEtN24VS4E
Here in the comments we have one of the "so called banned" claiming himself and many of his co-conspirators were banned and their accounts were under investigation. Jago and Germ are all buddies, so its 100% confirmed he was banned.....
This information needs to be seen by everyone, you have a right to know
Well actually, his account on ESO forums was banned just after he was banned on ESO....RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »Before anyone continues to say this is a witchunt
From the following Youtube Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbEtN24VS4E
Here in the comments we have one of the "so called banned" claiming himself and many of his co-conspirators were banned and their accounts were under investigation. Jago and Germ are all buddies, so its 100% confirmed he was banned.....
This information needs to be seen by everyone, you have a right to know
He admits to an estimated 40% of the ESO players cheating via Cheat Engine.
ADMITS TO IT!
This is the stuff that needs to be sent to the gaming press.
rfennell_ESO wrote: »I don't usually talk but I feel it necessary today. There's a lot of evidence against some of these players out there on top of a several witnesses. Yet, I keep hearing people say "Do you have a link to a video that proofs it?" Do we really need video proof for ZOS to take action? Does non of this compiled evidence and eye witness accounts mean nothing here? So here is a little of my thoughts, just a little. Curious if I'm the only one that thinks this video proof thing is a sham to divert the issue.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=FRXq2RR1rFA
Other than the constant assault to those with nasal allergies, not a bad rant
You know how I feel about cheaters I think, evidence + jury of your peers is to me the most safe and fair way
Yah obviously the entire reason why they keep clamoring for video proof is they know most people don't record everything. Even if so, they will have a "animation cancelling" or some other bs excuse to explain even if you do have video proof.
It reminds me of when I was on a crusade versus Havoc and what they were doing to servers. Oh I got attacked by their sycophants a lot.... I got called for video proof constantly. Fact was they were intentionally lagging out the servers.... They were even running hacked clients. They didn't pass the smell test.
Now... I get attacked by the sycophants a lot, they demand video proof... they attack me for not giving them a character name to harass in game. They don't pass the smell test though.
Those meddling kids are nothing but trouble. The lag was real. Everyone felt it the moment they arrived. Low and behold, a year and a half later, people start freely admitting using third party software. Software known to throw bogus information at the servers. Only a completely daff person would think it has no effect on the servers.
RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »Before anyone continues to say this is a witchunt
From the following Youtube Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbEtN24VS4E
Here in the comments we have one of the "so called banned" claiming himself and many of his co-conspirators were banned and their accounts were under investigation. Jago and Germ are all buddies, so its 100% confirmed he was banned.....
This information needs to be seen by everyone, you have a right to know
He admits to an estimated 40% of the ESO players cheating via Cheat Engine.
ADMITS TO IT!
This is the stuff that needs to be sent to the gaming press.