Balanced.

KenaPKK

A friend linked this to me from Reddit. Apparently the poster was riding by on his horse when Jace bopped him.

Jace wears a full dps PvE spec, as do most beamplars in Cyrodiil these days, so this is about as painful as a radiant will get.

One channel KOing the guy. lmfao Regardless of the target's level or gear or traits, this should not be tolerated.

Soris

He could at least spend some magicka to activate his abilities to increase his combat effectiveness. This is what hints say. Clearly he failed. Nothing to see here.

Ghost-Shot

Clearly the answer is use your abilities!

KenaPKK

Soris wrote: »

He could at least spend some magicka to activate his abilities to increase his combat effectiveness. This is what hints say. Clearly he failed. Nothing to see here.

Yup, 10/10 he was asking for it.

_Chaos wrote: »

a f()&king heavy attack will do that too Kena, I mean come on

24k heavy attack? Maybe a 100pts weapon expert build with a Camo Hunter proc against a vampire who isn't wearing impen, but that brings in a stealth bonus and Camo Hunter, which is arguably as cheesy. Resa's 100pts staff expert Molten Weapons magicka DK wasn't hitting this hard either. Raime has a full heavy attack stam sorc build, which is lucky to hit 18k heavies with 2h against targets not wearing impen.

No, Chaos, heavy attacks don't do this.

Reyals

All the beamplars defending radiant destruction....

Rylana

I really enjoy my current experience in Cyrodiil, when i have anywhere from 2-6 RO's on me constantly. Feels good man...

KenaPKK

Reyals wrote: »

All the beamplars defending radiant destruction....

I summon the forumplars yet again!

@Lyar09 I have not learned my lesson!

Lyar09

Oh lawd. Here we go again haha

Rylana wrote: »

I really enjoy my current experience in Cyrodiil, when i have anywhere from 2-6 RO's on me constantly. Feels good man...

The BEAMS! *spam shields* hahaha

Rylana

Lyar09 wrote: »

Oh lawd. Here we go again haha

Rylana wrote: »

I really enjoy my current experience in Cyrodiil, when i have anywhere from 2-6 RO's on me constantly. Feels good man...

The BEAMS! *spam shields* hahaha

ihateyou *ward ward ward*

_Chaos

KenaPKK wrote: »

Soris wrote: »

He could at least spend some magicka to activate his abilities to increase his combat effectiveness. This is what hints say. Clearly he failed. Nothing to see here.

Yup, 10/10 he was asking for it.

_Chaos wrote: »

a f()&king heavy attack will do that too Kena, I mean come on

24k heavy attack? Maybe a 100pts weapon expert build with a Camo Hunter proc against a vampire who isn't wearing impen, but that brings in a stealth bonus and Camo Hunter, which is arguably as cheesy. Resa's 100pts staff expert Molten Weapons magicka DK wasn't hitting this hard either. Raime has a full heavy attack stam sorc build, which is lucky to hit 18k heavies with 2h against targets not wearing impen.

No, Chaos, heavy attacks don't do this.

Odd, I must've been a special snowflake. Or maybe it's the fire destro heavies?
This guy did absolutely nothing to mitigate damage. He was in combat for 8.2s.

8 seconds! Why you going for pony rides in combat bud? He asked for it.

You can not have one build for all scenarios.

What is nerfing the range going to do to help out people that don't get off their mount?

Wait is it even the range people are bothered about?
or the damage?
or the scaling of oppression with full magicka?

It's all been beaten to death.

Sallington

Scorched Earth OP.

I would also like to see the stats/CP of the guy who got got.

Lyar09

Rylana wrote: »

Lyar09 wrote: »

Oh lawd. Here we go again haha

Rylana wrote: »

I really enjoy my current experience in Cyrodiil, when i have anywhere from 2-6 RO's on me constantly. Feels good man...

The BEAMS! *spam shields* hahaha

ihateyou *ward ward ward*

*purify, roll, purify, roll, purify, *** I'm out of mana, LoS. WHY ISNT the beam being BROKEN?!?!*

Rylana

Lyar09 wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Lyar09 wrote: »

Oh lawd. Here we go again haha

Rylana wrote: »

I really enjoy my current experience in Cyrodiil, when i have anywhere from 2-6 RO's on me constantly. Feels good man...

The BEAMS! *spam shields* hahaha

ihateyou *ward ward ward*

*purify, roll, purify, roll, purify, *** I'm out of mana, LoS. WHY ISNT the beam being BROKEN?!?!*

The pros on the forumz told me to interrupt the guy... okay, i got dis. Damn, hes behind five guys. Okay ill just crushing shock him, DAMNIT THAT DK WITH FLAPS IN THE WAY, OW OW OW I HIT MYSELF. grrrr, ill get that little lazorbeamer.... I shall streak to him and bash his face in. Yes..... WHY AM I BOMBARD SNARED, I CANT MOVE roll roll, k, i got dis... bash. HAHAHAHAHHA you like that do ya? WHAT THE HELL ITS BACK ON ME AND IM OUT OF STAM NOW. Knock into air by WB, dead floating due to lazorbeams.

>_> for realz

Lyar09

Rylana wrote: »

Lyar09 wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Lyar09 wrote: »

Oh lawd. Here we go again haha

Rylana wrote: »

I really enjoy my current experience in Cyrodiil, when i have anywhere from 2-6 RO's on me constantly. Feels good man...

The BEAMS! *spam shields* hahaha

ihateyou *ward ward ward*

*purify, roll, purify, roll, purify, *** I'm out of mana, LoS. WHY ISNT the beam being BROKEN?!?!*

The pros on the forumz told me to interrupt the guy... okay, i got dis. Damn, hes behind five guys. Okay ill just crushing shock him, DAMNIT THAT DK WITH FLAPS IN THE WAY, OW OW OW I HIT MYSELF. grrrr, ill get that little lazorbeamer.... I shall streak to him and bash his face in. Yes..... WHY AM I BOMBARD SNARED, I CANT MOVE roll roll, k, i got dis... bash. HAHAHAHAHHA you like that do ya? WHAT THE HELL ITS BACK ON ME AND IM OUT OF STAM NOW. Knock into air by WB, dead floating due to lazorbeams.

>_> for realz

Hey nightblade friends, go stealth attack stun him and I'll beam at the same time. Tehehehe

Rekt.

RinaldoGandolphi

i don't see the big deal about Radiant, the times I die to it I would probably die anyway, its not like defense and mobility haven't been nerfed to the ground anyways.

Lyar09

I honestly don't care about radiant as much as I did when TG went live. I have noticed a significant less amount of Templars not running because they don't know how to cancel the animation and get rekt.

Is it still the most annoying way to die? Meh, I think it's a close second behind getting healthy desyncd and then just dying out of nowhere hahaha

KenaPKK

_Chaos wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Soris wrote: »

He could at least spend some magicka to activate his abilities to increase his combat effectiveness. This is what hints say. Clearly he failed. Nothing to see here.

Yup, 10/10 he was asking for it.

_Chaos wrote: »

a f()&king heavy attack will do that too Kena, I mean come on

24k heavy attack? Maybe a 100pts weapon expert build with a Camo Hunter proc against a vampire who isn't wearing impen, but that brings in a stealth bonus and Camo Hunter, which is arguably as cheesy. Resa's 100pts staff expert Molten Weapons magicka DK wasn't hitting this hard either. Raime has a full heavy attack stam sorc build, which is lucky to hit 18k heavies with 2h against targets not wearing impen.

No, Chaos, heavy attacks don't do this.

Odd, I must've been a special snowflake. Or maybe it's the fire destro heavies?
This guy did absolutely nothing to mitigate damage. He was in combat for 8.2s.

8 seconds! Why you going for pony rides in combat bud? He asked for it.

You can not have one build for all scenarios.

What is nerfing the range going to do to help out people that don't get off their mount?

Wait is it even the range people are bothered about?
or the damage?
or the scaling of oppression with full magicka?

It's all been beaten to death.

Something needs to change, then, if the subject is so frequently brought up.

I have two issues with radiant:

First, if it's used at max range -- which can be as high as 41m -- or from on a keep or from inside a group, then there is little to no counterplay aside from slotting Crushing Shock + the templar's range buffs or using Cloak. Not every class and build has access to these skills, so there are situations for many people where there simple isn't counterplay. This warrants a range nerf regardless of the damage the skill is doing.

If the range of the skill were brought to 18-20m, then people would at least be able to get onto the templar to pressure them. The templar would have to expose itself, albeit only slightly, in order to channel the skill. This is supposed to be radiant's counterplay, but often isn't possible in real world situations where range and groups come into play.

Second, although the damage outside of execute range is strong but not overwhelming, the damage ramps up really quickly under 50% health. A dps-ish build wearing impen will still often get one shot by 8k+ crits at 30% health. I think the execute range needs to be narrowed to 35% or lower, and I think the damage should increase slowly until 25%, where it can increase rapidly to max at 20%. That way, you begin to take significant damage between 25-35% health but don't die until you get to 20-25% health.

That's the strength of radiant. You can hit them with a Dark Flare or Dawnbreaker or a couple sweeps then start channeling it at 50% health, at which point you start burning them with undodgeable ticks that get stronger and stronger as they take damage. Within a second or two, the person has to either interrupt your channel or die...but if you interrupt them, they can just restart another channel... No other execute behaves that way.

And yes, I don't like Executioner's 50% execute range ramping up damage either.

KenaPKK

Rylana wrote: »

Lyar09 wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Lyar09 wrote: »

Oh lawd. Here we go again haha

Rylana wrote: »

I really enjoy my current experience in Cyrodiil, when i have anywhere from 2-6 RO's on me constantly. Feels good man...

The BEAMS! *spam shields* hahaha

ihateyou *ward ward ward*

*purify, roll, purify, roll, purify, *** I'm out of mana, LoS. WHY ISNT the beam being BROKEN?!?!*

The pros on the forumz told me to interrupt the guy... okay, i got dis. Damn, hes behind five guys. Okay ill just crushing shock him, DAMNIT THAT DK WITH FLAPS IN THE WAY, OW OW OW I HIT MYSELF. grrrr, ill get that little lazorbeamer.... I shall streak to him and bash his face in. Yes..... WHY AM I BOMBARD SNARED, I CANT MOVE roll roll, k, i got dis... bash. HAHAHAHAHHA you like that do ya? WHAT THE HELL ITS BACK ON ME AND IM OUT OF STAM NOW. Knock into air by WB, dead floating due to lazorbeams.

>_> for realz

^ exactly how real world encounters with radiant spammers go.

KenaPKK

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

i don't see the big deal about Radiant, the times I die to it I would probably die anyway, its not like defense and mobility haven't been nerfed to the ground anyways.

Defense is fine. People are tanky af as stam or magicka on any class these days. Killing a good player is really difficult, especially if they have a friend.

Mobility on the other hand.... Ugh, if you ain't stam, you ain't moving!

OdinForge

forumplars inc



You can't take away their radiant oppressionz, cuz their class is so weak. Templar is weak, it's always been weak. You can't kill anyone as a templar, we needs our oppressionz.

stahp itt

Reverb

Rylana wrote: »

Lyar09 wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Lyar09 wrote: »

Oh lawd. Here we go again haha

Rylana wrote: »

I really enjoy my current experience in Cyrodiil, when i have anywhere from 2-6 RO's on me constantly. Feels good man...

The BEAMS! *spam shields* hahaha

ihateyou *ward ward ward*

*purify, roll, purify, roll, purify, *** I'm out of mana, LoS. WHY ISNT the beam being BROKEN?!?!*

The pros on the forumz told me to interrupt the guy... okay, i got dis. Damn, hes behind five guys. Okay ill just crushing shock him, DAMNIT THAT DK WITH FLAPS IN THE WAY, OW OW OW I HIT MYSELF. grrrr, ill get that little lazorbeamer.... I shall streak to him and bash his face in. Yes..... WHY AM I BOMBARD SNARED, I CANT MOVE roll roll, k, i got dis... bash. HAHAHAHAHHA you like that do ya? WHAT THE HELL ITS BACK ON ME AND IM OUT OF STAM NOW. Knock into air by WB, dead floating due to lazorbeams.

>_> for realz

Are you me? I feel like you're me. Because this is me at least once a night. Right down to the mid air death.

frozywozy

Man c'mon you can clearly see that horse didn't even have armor on. Are you for real????

KenaPKK

frozywozy wrote: »

Man c'mon you can clearly see that horse didn't even have armor on. Are you for real????

LOL poor horse

Rylana

KenaPKK wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Man c'mon you can clearly see that horse didn't even have armor on. Are you for real????

LOL poor horse

It was even beaten to death.

Moglijuana

Sallington wrote: »

Scorched Earth OP.

I would also like to see the stats/CP of the guy who got got.

Bet you his resistances are 0/0/0/ lolol

Zheg

Did we need another thread because you failed so miserably in your last one to actually make a competent point in your arguments that wasn't immediately debunked? Every single one of you stam builds QQing could do this in less time with bow heavy attacks. Should we nerf all of your heavy attacks? Is that the solution to the idiocy? Do we just make an equal amount of dumb threads calling for nerfs to stam skills that are easy L2P issues? No really guys, you all name drop like you're god's gift, so how are you dying to this when I see random pugs surviving without issue? Are random pugs better than you? Should random pugs be making all dem 1vX vids?

Dude got ganked, and we know nothing about said dude. Impen? Level? Sober champ point allotment and a reasonable amount of hp? How long was he trying to Kentucky Derby as he pvp'd on his horse? Was his death recap one of the many bugged ones where not everything shows up on it? All of those insignificant questions that would probably make Kena look /facepalm-worthy (again). Should I post a camo hunter heavy attack oneshot death recap (I can't really, because I don't seem to die to stupid crap like that every 5 seconds like you appear to do based on your threads Kena)?

And no, Kena, hardly any 'beamplars' are full pve spec. Do you actually pvp, or do you spend your time festering in the sewers trying to gank still? Even the pugs on TF know not to go full glass cannon because you can't move in this patch and will be rooted and die. You exaggerate because you think it will make you look cool with your small circle of friends. It doesn't. It makes you look sad and pathetic.

KenaPKK wrote: »

Something needs to change, then, if the subject is so frequently brought up.

Makes two threads on the same thing within two days, claims that the subject is so frequently brought up and therefore he must be right and things must be broken. Pretty sure we are, indeed, back to you being /facepalm-worthy again.

Zheg

OdinForge wrote: »

forumplars inc



You can't take away their radiant oppressionz, cuz their class is so weak. Templar is weak, it's always been weak. You can't kill anyone as a templar, we needs our oppressionz.

stahp itt

I never see any of the sane templars making this argument. If your reading comprehension is at such low levels that you aren't able to retain the almost bullet-point-like rundown explanations, then that actually starts to make a ton of sense for why you're all still so slow on the uptake.

Demonstrate actual broken numbers that cannot be achieved on any other glass cannon build and this "forumplar" will agree that the skill he almost never even uses should be rebalanced. I'm not defending the skill because we need it, I'm defending against the idiotic need for stam builds to feel like they should have zero counters and be able to take on insane numbers like 1.6-orsinium because of how broken their builds were. I'm defending against "nerf this because I'm able to cherry pick examples, ignore all of the other examples where it shows rational numbers, and don't ask too many questions about the guy that died, he was a full tank spec, I promise."

One month in and none of you have been able to demonstrate broken numbers against a reasonable build and mid-level of pvp competency. Not once. If you're actually capable of doing so, then do it. If you can't do it, then maybe it's because you've been dead wrong this whole time and accurately called out on your BS.

This thread below, meant to whine about jesus beam and show how 'broken' it is, showed RD as the last killing blow with an 8.3k CRIT, on an EXECUTE. It also showed 4 separate people each hitting him/her with RD for 1.5k to 2k EACH time. Surely such OP things need to be fixed! Surely you and the other stam builds aren't BSing all of us!

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/264924/just-another-day-in-cyrodiil-right#latest

OdinForge

Zheg wrote: »

OdinForge wrote: »

forumplars inc



You can't take away their radiant oppressionz, cuz their class is so weak. Templar is weak, it's always been weak. You can't kill anyone as a templar, we needs our oppressionz.

stahp itt

I never see any of the sane templars making this argument. If your reading comprehension is at such low levels that you aren't able to retain the almost bullet-point-like rundown explanations, then that actually starts to make a ton of sense for why you're all still so slow on the uptake.

Demonstrate actual broken numbers that cannot be achieved on any other glass cannon build and this "forumplar" will agree that the skill he almost never even uses should be rebalanced. I'm not defending the skill because we need it, I'm defending against the idiotic need for stam builds to feel like they should have zero counters and be able to take on insane numbers like 1.6-orsinium because of how broken their builds were. I'm defending against "nerf this because I'm able to cherry pick examples, ignore all of the other examples where it shows rational numbers, and don't ask too many questions about the guy that died, he was a full tank spec, I promise."

One month in and none of you have been able to demonstrate broken numbers against a reasonable build and mid-level of pvp competency. Not once. If you're actually capable of doing so, then do it. If you can't do it, then maybe it's because you've been dead wrong this whole time.

Maybe you should drop your group and play alone on any non NB stam build for a while.

Zheg

OdinForge wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

OdinForge wrote: »

forumplars inc



You can't take away their radiant oppressionz, cuz their class is so weak. Templar is weak, it's always been weak. You can't kill anyone as a templar, we needs our oppressionz.

stahp itt

I never see any of the sane templars making this argument. If your reading comprehension is at such low levels that you aren't able to retain the almost bullet-point-like rundown explanations, then that actually starts to make a ton of sense for why you're all still so slow on the uptake.

Demonstrate actual broken numbers that cannot be achieved on any other glass cannon build and this "forumplar" will agree that the skill he almost never even uses should be rebalanced. I'm not defending the skill because we need it, I'm defending against the idiotic need for stam builds to feel like they should have zero counters and be able to take on insane numbers like 1.6-orsinium because of how broken their builds were. I'm defending against "nerf this because I'm able to cherry pick examples, ignore all of the other examples where it shows rational numbers, and don't ask too many questions about the guy that died, he was a full tank spec, I promise."

One month in and none of you have been able to demonstrate broken numbers against a reasonable build and mid-level of pvp competency. Not once. If you're actually capable of doing so, then do it. If you can't do it, then maybe it's because you've been dead wrong this whole time.

Maybe you should drop your group and play alone on any non NB stam build for a while.

I play alone quite often, I get on before raid and sometimes stay after to make sure I get in my solo time. But THANK YOU for proving the point that everyone tried to make in kena's last failure of a thread. Stam builds, in particular DK stam builds, are crying rivers because they're being countered by this one skill. Tell me Odin, do you think it's broken that you can literally shut down all of my dps on a magplar? A simple flap of your wings makes it impossible for me to javelin, DF, or reflective light you. You're a good enough player to be able to hit talons and laugh as you walk to the side while I try and jabs at the air. If you want to have a balance discussion, and argue that you should have zero weaknesses because reasons, then for ONCE, address that point. If you're complaining about one skill being able to counter you, why are you not complaining about your capacity to shut down every other kind of damage a magplar can do to you - if you're so interested in balance? The answer? Because you and every other stam dk on these threads are looking for easy mode because you don't like having to put up with what everyone else puts up with, counters to their builds.

blabafat

Here we go again, ladies and gentlemen.

OdinForge

Zheg wrote: »

OdinForge wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

OdinForge wrote: »

forumplars inc



You can't take away their radiant oppressionz, cuz their class is so weak. Templar is weak, it's always been weak. You can't kill anyone as a templar, we needs our oppressionz.

stahp itt

I never see any of the sane templars making this argument. If your reading comprehension is at such low levels that you aren't able to retain the almost bullet-point-like rundown explanations, then that actually starts to make a ton of sense for why you're all still so slow on the uptake.

Demonstrate actual broken numbers that cannot be achieved on any other glass cannon build and this "forumplar" will agree that the skill he almost never even uses should be rebalanced. I'm not defending the skill because we need it, I'm defending against the idiotic need for stam builds to feel like they should have zero counters and be able to take on insane numbers like 1.6-orsinium because of how broken their builds were. I'm defending against "nerf this because I'm able to cherry pick examples, ignore all of the other examples where it shows rational numbers, and don't ask too many questions about the guy that died, he was a full tank spec, I promise."

One month in and none of you have been able to demonstrate broken numbers against a reasonable build and mid-level of pvp competency. Not once. If you're actually capable of doing so, then do it. If you can't do it, then maybe it's because you've been dead wrong this whole time.

Maybe you should drop your group and play alone on any non NB stam build for a while.

I play alone quite often, I get on before raid and sometimes stay after to make sure I get in my solo time. But THANK YOU for proving the point that everyone tried to make in kena's last failure of a thread. Stam builds, in particular DK stam builds, are crying rivers because they're being countered by this one skill. Tell me Odin, do you think it's broken that you can literally shut down all of my dps on a magplar? A simple flap of your wings makes it impossible for me to javelin, DF, or reflective light you. You're a good enough player to be able to hit talons and laugh as you walk to the side while I try and jabs at the air. If you want to have a balance discussion, and argue that you should have zero weaknesses because reasons, then for ONCE, address that point. If you're complaining about one skill being able to counter you, why are you not complaining about your capacity to shut down every other kind of damage a magplar can do to you - if you're so interested in balance? The answer? Because you and every other stam dk on these threads are looking for easy mode because you don't like having to put up with what everyone else puts up with, counters to their builds.

I play alone quite often, I get on before raid and sometimes stay after to make sure I get in my solo time.

Somehow I doubt this, very much.

Tell me Odin, do you think it's broken that you can literally shut down all of my dps on a magplar? A simple flap of your wings makes it impossible for me to javelin, DF, or reflective light you.

I played a ranged magnb build inspired off what Kena was doing in 1.8, using destro basic attacks and swallow soul. The only damage I used that couldn't be reflected was soul tether ultimate. I used to be able to duel some of the better stamdk 1H / Wings players, and either give them a big run for their money or beat them. Yeah there'd be moments where I've been killed by an early wrecking blow or reverb into leap combo, that's been part of the life for magicka users last few patches.

I won't deny that stamdk has been in a great place, especially for 1v1 fighting and especially against magicka builds, but don't tell me that wings shuts you down as a magicka templar. The discussion about RD isn't a 1v1 scenario, it's about when you're outnumbered. You can throw around all the numbers you want, none of that matters when you're outnumbered.

The simple fact is that it's too easy for noobplars to spam RD at a safe range, while you're being chased. No other execute works as easily as that.

If you're complaining about one skill being able to counter you, why are you not complaining about your capacity to shut down every other kind of damage a magplar can do to you - if you're so interested in balance?[/b] The answer? Because you and every other stam dk on these threads are looking for easy mode because you don't like having to put up with what everyone else puts up with, counters to their builds.

Both on the ESO subreddit and here, I have voiced my opinions on DK in the past, I've voiced my opinions on 1.6 Sorc and fear and removing the wrecking blow bash. I voiced my opinion against stealth burst damage that ZOS decided to ignore.

I'll probably voice my opinion about incap strike next patch, as fun as it will be to use for a little. So don't act like I want an easy mode, or just looking out for myself. I'm not even a DK, I have a DK and a Templar but my main will always be NB.