ZOS Please Provide Free Respec For Dark Brotherhood

Joy_Division

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Why would you need to completely redo all of your characters? I see a lot of changes but only for my stamina character. I dont really see a need to reallocate champ points either on the stamina characters. They already have the right champ "perks" already. Just the skill morphs basically I need to redo on the stamina guys.

Because there are changes to every class which requires a respec, remorphing usually leaves you need a few more skill points to get something else.

Champion System tends to change as well almost all the time

To me it seems more you just want to change them all not need to. In that case I dont see why it should be free.

Because we got stuck paying for the last time because of people like you telling us it's not necessary to remoph our characters despite the game changing stuff that I picked a long time ago.

And don't tell me that me I'm just looking for a free handout from ZoS. Even though this is the "stamina" update, ZoS is changing my magicka templar enough that I do need different skill morphs and CPs changes: my magicka ritual skill is changing to include a DoT (and loses cleanses), one of my magicka skills is getting changed so I won't be using it (prox det) and thus no need to consider CPs there, and harness magicka is going on my bar now and thus need bastion.

Nifty2g

Joy_Division wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Why would you need to completely redo all of your characters? I see a lot of changes but only for my stamina character. I dont really see a need to reallocate champ points either on the stamina characters. They already have the right champ "perks" already. Just the skill morphs basically I need to redo on the stamina guys.

Because there are changes to every class which requires a respec, remorphing usually leaves you need a few more skill points to get something else.

Champion System tends to change as well almost all the time

To me it seems more you just want to change them all not need to. In that case I dont see why it should be free.

Because we got stuck paying for the last time because of people like you telling us it's not necessary to remoph our characters despite the game changing stuff that I picked a long time ago.

And don't tell me that me I'm just looking for a free handout from ZoS. Even though this is the "stamina" update, ZoS is changing my magicka templar enough that I do need different skill morphs and CPs changes: my magicka ritual skill is changing to include a DoT (and loses cleanses), one of my magicka skills is getting changed so I won't be using it (prox det) and thus no need to consider CPs there, and harness magicka is going on my bar now and thus need bastion.

I can agree with that, most of Fighters Guild is now useless to me, I'd like to get those skill points back

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

dday3six wrote: »

.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Tiveria wrote: »

Spearshard wrote: »

Don't bother arguing with James. I think he just enjoys playing devil's advocate, especially since he was advocating respec scrolls in another thread I saw last week.

Why does he even post? All he does is troll or he's really an idiot in real life?

I dont think you understand what trolling is. Might want to google it. Disagreement is not trolling. Debating a topic even if its heated is not trolling. Just because you dont agree with someone doesnt mean they are somehow trolling. I never make it personal which is what you are doing. Remember also that attacking someone in this fashion on the forums is against the rules. If you continue to do so then I will be forced to report it.

Remember argue the topic not the person.

When you say things along the line of 'There are quite a few Magicka builds that use weapon damage' and 'as a Magicka build you'll need to use your weapon, thus need weapon damage'. I think you're either confused about how stats function or you're trolling. So I said you're trolling as a benefit of the doubt.

Weapon Damage as per the DB update to the Fighter's Guild passive Slayer is the stat Weapon Damage. The one that scales Stamina Skills as well as light and heavy attacks with all non-staff weapons. It's not the damage on a weapon, that's completely different.

lol I never said anything about the damage of a weapon. You telling me no magicka people ever use a single stamina skill? Never use like dual wield flurry for example even tho they are a magicka build NB? Just curious why you think people with magicka builds only use magicka and never use melee weapons or stamina skills period. Where weapon dmg might be a nice thing to have.

Just because misguided individuals might do something doesn't mean it's effective. Hybrids are bearly passable in Solo play. Frankly players trying to force them in group content is part of the reason said content is often nerfed.

Flurry scales on Weapon Damage and Max Stamina. It will be gimped (deal terrible damage) on a build that stacks into Magicka and Spell Power, and splitting between them makes your skills worst overall. CP also favors either a Stamina or Magicka focus not both. That's why DK's Stamina skills were changed to Poison damage, and NB's to Disease.

A Magicka NB might use Flurry, but it will deal crap damage versus their native option of Concealed Weapon if a CQC is needed. It's usage also hinders blocking, dodging, and free break, since the Magicka NB is using a skill that eats into their their smaller Stamina pool.

Magicka builds use Dual Swords not for access to Stamina skills but for an extra set piece, more Spell Power, and increased damage thanks to the Twin Blade and Blunt passive.

So you agree that some people might use it that arent min/max and just play the game then right? So you saying its completely useless is not true. It is useful to some people. hence why people dont want to be forced to redo all their characters because you put 3 points into a FG skill on a magicka build.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

Joy_Division wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Why would you need to completely redo all of your characters? I see a lot of changes but only for my stamina character. I dont really see a need to reallocate champ points either on the stamina characters. They already have the right champ "perks" already. Just the skill morphs basically I need to redo on the stamina guys.

Because there are changes to every class which requires a respec, remorphing usually leaves you need a few more skill points to get something else.

Champion System tends to change as well almost all the time

To me it seems more you just want to change them all not need to. In that case I dont see why it should be free.

Because we got stuck paying for the last time because of people like you telling us it's not necessary to remoph our characters despite the game changing stuff that I picked a long time ago.

And don't tell me that me I'm just looking for a free handout from ZoS. Even though this is the "stamina" update, ZoS is changing my magicka templar enough that I do need different skill morphs and CPs changes: my magicka ritual skill is changing to include a DoT (and loses cleanses), one of my magicka skills is getting changed so I won't be using it (prox det) and thus no need to consider CPs there, and harness magicka is going on my bar now and thus need bastion.

When TG came out they made respecs cheap for like a week right? So how much did you actually spend? ZOS has drastically reduced the price of respec since launch. So stop playing the martyr go spend a few gold and respec your characters.

Nifty2g

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Why would you need to completely redo all of your characters? I see a lot of changes but only for my stamina character. I dont really see a need to reallocate champ points either on the stamina characters. They already have the right champ "perks" already. Just the skill morphs basically I need to redo on the stamina guys.

Because there are changes to every class which requires a respec, remorphing usually leaves you need a few more skill points to get something else.

Champion System tends to change as well almost all the time

To me it seems more you just want to change them all not need to. In that case I dont see why it should be free.

Because we got stuck paying for the last time because of people like you telling us it's not necessary to remoph our characters despite the game changing stuff that I picked a long time ago.

And don't tell me that me I'm just looking for a free handout from ZoS. Even though this is the "stamina" update, ZoS is changing my magicka templar enough that I do need different skill morphs and CPs changes: my magicka ritual skill is changing to include a DoT (and loses cleanses), one of my magicka skills is getting changed so I won't be using it (prox det) and thus no need to consider CPs there, and harness magicka is going on my bar now and thus need bastion.

When TG came out they made respecs cheap for like a week right? So how much did you actually spend? ZOS has drastically reduced the price of respec since launch. So stop playing the martyr go spend a few gold and respec your characters.

They did? I don't remember this, I remember having to pay almost 150,000 for all of my characters to do Champion Points and Full Respecs.

I didn't even have the gold to do so I had to ask a few people for some help

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

Nifty2g wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Why would you need to completely redo all of your characters? I see a lot of changes but only for my stamina character. I dont really see a need to reallocate champ points either on the stamina characters. They already have the right champ "perks" already. Just the skill morphs basically I need to redo on the stamina guys.

Because there are changes to every class which requires a respec, remorphing usually leaves you need a few more skill points to get something else.

Champion System tends to change as well almost all the time

To me it seems more you just want to change them all not need to. In that case I dont see why it should be free.

Because we got stuck paying for the last time because of people like you telling us it's not necessary to remoph our characters despite the game changing stuff that I picked a long time ago.

And don't tell me that me I'm just looking for a free handout from ZoS. Even though this is the "stamina" update, ZoS is changing my magicka templar enough that I do need different skill morphs and CPs changes: my magicka ritual skill is changing to include a DoT (and loses cleanses), one of my magicka skills is getting changed so I won't be using it (prox det) and thus no need to consider CPs there, and harness magicka is going on my bar now and thus need bastion.

When TG came out they made respecs cheap for like a week right? So how much did you actually spend? ZOS has drastically reduced the price of respec since launch. So stop playing the martyr go spend a few gold and respec your characters.

They did? I don't remember this, I remember having to pay almost 150,000 for all of my characters to do Champion Points and Full Respecs.

I didn't even have the gold to do so I had to ask a few people for some help

So less than 20k per character. Chump change. Also it was the first week I believe that the respec cost was reduced on the shrines cant remember for sure. I made 20k selling vendor junk past couple of days. I dont get how people complain about this. If you have eight characters you play all the time 20k each should be literally nothing.

Tiveria

[quote="jamesharv2005ub17_E.[/quote]

When TG came out they made respecs cheap for like a week right? So how much did you actually spend? ZOS has drastically reduced the price of respec since launch. So stop playing the martyr go spend a few gold and respec your characters.[/quote]

What? They did no such thing why do you think people are asking for it this time?

anitajoneb17_ESO

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

So less than 20k per character. Chump change. Also it was the first week I believe that the respec cost was reduced on the shrines cant remember for sure. I made 20k selling vendor junk past couple of days. I dont get how people complain about this. If you have eight characters you play all the time 20k each should be literally nothing.

A respec costs currently 50g per skill point invested. As far as I know there wasn't any special rate for TG's update.
There are 358 skill points in the game at the moment (maybe I missed a couple, +/- 3 give or take), but I doubt most players have collected them all. If we assume that an average endgame character runs with 250 skill points, that's 12.5K per respec per character. Plus 3K for CP, that's 15.5K.
Now if you have 8 characters like most top players have (and they MUST respec) that's 124K so yeah that's not cheap. The point is, it's not the player's free choice, it's forced upon the player by ZOS.

I did not understand back then and I still don't understand what people have against free respec. I understand the "play how you want" thing, but if people can't even be bothered to "work" for 10 minutes on their character for respeccing after an update, how on earth wold they spend any time thinking about their build, abilities, game mechanics, etc ???

Besides, @jamesharv2005ub17_ESO , you don't get to judge how easy or not it is to make money in the game, because depending on your playstyle, it varies A LOT. Thieves and traders and farmers will make a lot of money quickly. Questers will make less. Dungeon runners will make a little. Raiders who spend hours in vMSA or in vMOL will have huge repair costs and gain ZERO gold.

Palidon

They did not grant a free respec when the Thieves Guild came out and several skills and the Champion System were changed. So why ask for one for the Dark Brotherhood. It will not happen.

Nifty2g

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Why would you need to completely redo all of your characters? I see a lot of changes but only for my stamina character. I dont really see a need to reallocate champ points either on the stamina characters. They already have the right champ "perks" already. Just the skill morphs basically I need to redo on the stamina guys.

Because there are changes to every class which requires a respec, remorphing usually leaves you need a few more skill points to get something else.

Champion System tends to change as well almost all the time

To me it seems more you just want to change them all not need to. In that case I dont see why it should be free.

Because we got stuck paying for the last time because of people like you telling us it's not necessary to remoph our characters despite the game changing stuff that I picked a long time ago.

And don't tell me that me I'm just looking for a free handout from ZoS. Even though this is the "stamina" update, ZoS is changing my magicka templar enough that I do need different skill morphs and CPs changes: my magicka ritual skill is changing to include a DoT (and loses cleanses), one of my magicka skills is getting changed so I won't be using it (prox det) and thus no need to consider CPs there, and harness magicka is going on my bar now and thus need bastion.

When TG came out they made respecs cheap for like a week right? So how much did you actually spend? ZOS has drastically reduced the price of respec since launch. So stop playing the martyr go spend a few gold and respec your characters.

They did? I don't remember this, I remember having to pay almost 150,000 for all of my characters to do Champion Points and Full Respecs.

I didn't even have the gold to do so I had to ask a few people for some help

So less than 20k per character. Chump change. Also it was the first week I believe that the respec cost was reduced on the shrines cant remember for sure. I made 20k selling vendor junk past couple of days. I dont get how people complain about this. If you have eight characters you play all the time 20k each should be literally nothing.

Really, 20k gold should be literally nothing?

I have to use potions for all of my characters, I have gear up all of my characters each require a different set depending on the class and playstyle and if they are magicka or stamina based.
I have to constantly pay for repair bills and even worse I have to upgrade all of my gear to legendary. It took months to get all my characters ready. So where exactly is 20k being literally nothing, do you know how much value I could get from 20k just from buying potions but yet I'd have to waste it on a respec?

Who are you to determine what is "chump change" and what isn't, furthermore I do hardcore end game raiding on my time on ESO, with the recent changes I barely make any gold, there is nothing to sell that people want. I study during the week so I don't exactly have the time to come on and farm endlessly anymore for gold (not that I did anyway).

sparafucilsarwb17_ESO

Yes please!

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

Nifty2g wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Why would you need to completely redo all of your characters? I see a lot of changes but only for my stamina character. I dont really see a need to reallocate champ points either on the stamina characters. They already have the right champ "perks" already. Just the skill morphs basically I need to redo on the stamina guys.

Because there are changes to every class which requires a respec, remorphing usually leaves you need a few more skill points to get something else.

Champion System tends to change as well almost all the time

To me it seems more you just want to change them all not need to. In that case I dont see why it should be free.

Because we got stuck paying for the last time because of people like you telling us it's not necessary to remoph our characters despite the game changing stuff that I picked a long time ago.

And don't tell me that me I'm just looking for a free handout from ZoS. Even though this is the "stamina" update, ZoS is changing my magicka templar enough that I do need different skill morphs and CPs changes: my magicka ritual skill is changing to include a DoT (and loses cleanses), one of my magicka skills is getting changed so I won't be using it (prox det) and thus no need to consider CPs there, and harness magicka is going on my bar now and thus need bastion.

When TG came out they made respecs cheap for like a week right? So how much did you actually spend? ZOS has drastically reduced the price of respec since launch. So stop playing the martyr go spend a few gold and respec your characters.

They did? I don't remember this, I remember having to pay almost 150,000 for all of my characters to do Champion Points and Full Respecs.

I didn't even have the gold to do so I had to ask a few people for some help

So less than 20k per character. Chump change. Also it was the first week I believe that the respec cost was reduced on the shrines cant remember for sure. I made 20k selling vendor junk past couple of days. I dont get how people complain about this. If you have eight characters you play all the time 20k each should be literally nothing.

Really, 20k gold should be literally nothing?

I have to use potions for all of my characters, I have gear up all of my characters each require a different set depending on the class and playstyle and if they are magicka or stamina based.
I have to constantly pay for repair bills and even worse I have to upgrade all of my gear to legendary. It took months to get all my characters ready. So where exactly is 20k being literally nothing, do you know how much value I could get from 20k just from buying potions but yet I'd have to waste it on a respec?

Who are you to determine what is "chump change" and what isn't, furthermore I do hardcore end game raiding on my time on ESO, with the recent changes I barely make any gold, there is nothing to sell that people want. I study during the week so I don't exactly have the time to come on and farm endlessly anymore for gold (not that I did anyway).

You know how much money Id have IRL if I didnt have to pay for silly things like electricity and taxes? Part of the game is when you want to respec it costs a few gold. It will have been I believe 90 days since TG came out. Thats 200g per day per character. Roughly.

anitajoneb17_ESO

Electricity is a silly thing ? wow... (self censoring myself here...)

Just ask the billion humanbeings without any access to this "silly thing".

Oh and this "silly thing" makes your silly computer run along many other silly things, which lets you participate in this silly forum and play this silly ESO game.

And your analogy is totally irrelevant.
An appropriate one would be that you're forced to destroy your roof and build a new one every three months without having decided it yourself.

ZOS_DaryaK

We've removed a couple of posts that were not contributing to the discussion. Please refrain from personal attacks, folks!

Buffler

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Why would you need to completely redo all of your characters? I see a lot of changes but only for my stamina character. I dont really see a need to reallocate champ points either on the stamina characters. They already have the right champ "perks" already. Just the skill morphs basically I need to redo on the stamina guys.

Because there are changes to every class which requires a respec, remorphing usually leaves you need a few more skill points to get something else.

Champion System tends to change as well almost all the time

To me it seems more you just want to change them all not need to. In that case I dont see why it should be free.

Because we got stuck paying for the last time because of people like you telling us it's not necessary to remoph our characters despite the game changing stuff that I picked a long time ago.

And don't tell me that me I'm just looking for a free handout from ZoS. Even though this is the "stamina" update, ZoS is changing my magicka templar enough that I do need different skill morphs and CPs changes: my magicka ritual skill is changing to include a DoT (and loses cleanses), one of my magicka skills is getting changed so I won't be using it (prox det) and thus no need to consider CPs there, and harness magicka is going on my bar now and thus need bastion.

When TG came out they made respecs cheap for like a week right? So how much did you actually spend? ZOS has drastically reduced the price of respec since launch. So stop playing the martyr go spend a few gold and respec your characters.

No they didnt

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

Whatever they do we wont hear about it until we get closer to May 31st.

STEVIL

Nifty2g wrote: »

I have to use potions for all of my characters, I have gear up all of my characters each require a different set depending on the class and playstyle and if they are magicka or stamina based.
I have to constantly pay for repair bills and even worse I have to upgrade all of my gear to legendary. It took months to get all my characters ready. So where exactly is 20k being literally nothing, do you know how much value I could get from 20k just from buying potions but yet I'd have to waste it on a respec?

here is my 2c on this point.

Charlie the tuna decides he wants to upgrade his gear to gold for the most bang for the buck optimize this month's meta right now. Charlie enjoys the tactical benefits of that for sometime in play.
However, since this is a living game, ever so often maybe three or even four times a year or seasonally, Charlie is hit with a rules revision which changes up the current meta and Charlie has to deal with the pretty severe (some might call unsustainable) cost of changing it all IF Charlie wants to re-gold for a new meta.

Mack the Knife decides to stick with purple gear because mack knows things change, mack isn't all that hung up on every extra point of the current meta and Mack even wants to have maybe several different sets tailored for different objectives. mack finds purple gear MUCH MORE sustainable. Mack finds the seasonal changes to be not anywhere near as problematic and matter of fact, may even enjoy learning the new ropes.

Daffy the duck chooses a sort of mid-way path. Daffy choose to go for gold but instead of going for the current minmax meta, Daffy chooses very flexible and adaptive sets that can survive a meta change relatively unchanged. As such, Daffy might stick with TBS armor, knowing by swapping around mundus configurations its very adaptive to changes in the game or even objectives. Daffy might have that gold, as a permanent keeper that is flexible and resilient but then let the other pieces of gear stay purple for sustainable changing to meet new conditions.

i consider Charlie, Mack and even Daffy to ALL have valid strategies which should be both viable and reasonable. the game makes gold-uber-alle quite a burden to obtain and redo, even seasonally, for most players. As such, it makes going for gold at least somewhat of a risk given we all know the game is a living mmo and things change.

So, i have no real sympathy for the folks who have gold gear that may be rendered "slightly less than optimal" by these seasonal changes in the game. You gained boosted performance for months at the expense of seasonal expenses that hurt.
other folks with other decisions had less boost during the day to day but now suffer less sting and can adapt back to what is their "max" much quicker.

This doesn't seem unfair but rather QUITE FAIR, to me.
it says there are more valid options than max-gold-max-all-now-now-now and they all have trade-offs.

I like that.

YMMV.

And yes, i got a LOT of gear making to do for the JUNE Db change-over. So it will sting. I have been working towards it since before TG though, so i think i am mostly ready for what comes.

Clarity is a flower that smells bad.

Buffler

STEVIL wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

I have to use potions for all of my characters, I have gear up all of my characters each require a different set depending on the class and playstyle and if they are magicka or stamina based.
I have to constantly pay for repair bills and even worse I have to upgrade all of my gear to legendary. It took months to get all my characters ready. So where exactly is 20k being literally nothing, do you know how much value I could get from 20k just from buying potions but yet I'd have to waste it on a respec?

here is my 2c on this point.

Charlie the tuna decides he wants to upgrade his gear to gold for the most bang for the buck optimize this month's meta right now. Charlie enjoys the tactical benefits of that for sometime in play.
However, since this is a living game, ever so often maybe three or even four times a year or seasonally, Charlie is hit with a rules revision which changes up the current meta and Charlie has to deal with the pretty severe (some might call unsustainable) cost of changing it all IF Charlie wants to re-gold for a new meta.

Mack the Knife decides to stick with purple gear because mack knows things change, mack isn't all that hung up on every extra point of the current meta and Mack even wants to have maybe several different sets tailored for different objectives. mack finds purple gear MUCH MORE sustainable. Mack finds the seasonal changes to be not anywhere near as problematic and matter of fact, may even enjoy learning the new ropes.

Daffy the duck chooses a sort of mid-way path. Daffy choose to go for gold but instead of going for the current minmax meta, Daffy chooses very flexible and adaptive sets that can survive a meta change relatively unchanged. As such, Daffy might stick with TBS armor, knowing by swapping around mundus configurations its very adaptive to changes in the game or even objectives. Daffy might have that gold, as a permanent keeper that is flexible and resilient but then let the other pieces of gear stay purple for sustainable changing to meet new conditions.

i consider Charlie, Mack and even Daffy to ALL have valid strategies which should be both viable and reasonable. the game makes gold-uber-alle quite a burden to obtain and redo, even seasonally, for most players. As such, it makes going for gold at least somewhat of a risk given we all know the game is a living mmo and things change.

So, i have no real sympathy for the folks who have gold gear that may be rendered "slightly less than optimal" by these seasonal changes in the game. You gained boosted performance for months at the expense of seasonal expenses that hurt.
other folks with other decisions had less boost during the day to day but now suffer less sting and can adapt back to what is their "max" much quicker.

This doesn't seem unfair but rather QUITE FAIR, to me.
it says there are more valid options than max-gold-max-all-now-now-now and they all have trade-offs.

I like that.

YMMV.

And yes, i got a LOT of gear making to do for the JUNE Db change-over. So it will sting. I have been working towards it since before TG though, so i think i am mostly ready for what comes.

Clarity is a flower that smells bad.

Very nice read.....nothing to do with offering a free respecc though, you are talking about gear and the analogy doesnt work.

Frenkthevile

Any news? I want free respec!

dday3six

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Tiveria wrote: »

Spearshard wrote: »

Don't bother arguing with James. I think he just enjoys playing devil's advocate, especially since he was advocating respec scrolls in another thread I saw last week.

Why does he even post? All he does is troll or he's really an idiot in real life?

I dont think you understand what trolling is. Might want to google it. Disagreement is not trolling. Debating a topic even if its heated is not trolling. Just because you dont agree with someone doesnt mean they are somehow trolling. I never make it personal which is what you are doing. Remember also that attacking someone in this fashion on the forums is against the rules. If you continue to do so then I will be forced to report it.

Remember argue the topic not the person.

When you say things along the line of 'There are quite a few Magicka builds that use weapon damage' and 'as a Magicka build you'll need to use your weapon, thus need weapon damage'. I think you're either confused about how stats function or you're trolling. So I said you're trolling as a benefit of the doubt.

Weapon Damage as per the DB update to the Fighter's Guild passive Slayer is the stat Weapon Damage. The one that scales Stamina Skills as well as light and heavy attacks with all non-staff weapons. It's not the damage on a weapon, that's completely different.

lol I never said anything about the damage of a weapon. You telling me no magicka people ever use a single stamina skill? Never use like dual wield flurry for example even tho they are a magicka build NB? Just curious why you think people with magicka builds only use magicka and never use melee weapons or stamina skills period. Where weapon dmg might be a nice thing to have.

Just because misguided individuals might do something doesn't mean it's effective. Hybrids are bearly passable in Solo play. Frankly players trying to force them in group content is part of the reason said content is often nerfed.

Flurry scales on Weapon Damage and Max Stamina. It will be gimped (deal terrible damage) on a build that stacks into Magicka and Spell Power, and splitting between them makes your skills worst overall. CP also favors either a Stamina or Magicka focus not both. That's why DK's Stamina skills were changed to Poison damage, and NB's to Disease.

A Magicka NB might use Flurry, but it will deal crap damage versus their native option of Concealed Weapon if a CQC is needed. It's usage also hinders blocking, dodging, and free break, since the Magicka NB is using a skill that eats into their their smaller Stamina pool.

Magicka builds use Dual Swords not for access to Stamina skills but for an extra set piece, more Spell Power, and increased damage thanks to the Twin Blade and Blunt passive.

So you agree that some people might use it that arent min/max and just play the game then right? So you saying its completely useless is not true. It is useful to some people. hence why people dont want to be forced to redo all their characters because you put 3 points into a FG skill on a magicka build.

There is nothing max/min about using the skills that scale properly with your build.

I'll use my numbers for example. Flurry on my Dark Elf Magicka DK tooltips at 3722 for all hits compared to my Redguard Stamina NB's 12858. Most players can do basic math.

Aquanova

my magicka ritual skill is changing to include a DoT (and loses cleanses)

@Joy_Division . Where did you get that purifying ritual is losing the cleanse? Read patch notes dude! It's getting an added dot, not losing the cleanse.

Buffler

Aquanova wrote: »

my magicka ritual skill is changing to include a DoT (and loses cleanses)

@Joy_Division . Where did you get that purifying ritual is losing the cleanse? Read patch notes dude! It's getting an added dot, not losing the cleanse.

Its going from cleansing 5 debuffs to only 2

dimensional

Buffler wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

I have to use potions for all of my characters, I have gear up all of my characters each require a different set depending on the class and playstyle and if they are magicka or stamina based.
I have to constantly pay for repair bills and even worse I have to upgrade all of my gear to legendary. It took months to get all my characters ready. So where exactly is 20k being literally nothing, do you know how much value I could get from 20k just from buying potions but yet I'd have to waste it on a respec?

here is my 2c on this point.

Charlie the tuna decides he wants to upgrade his gear to gold for the most bang for the buck optimize this month's meta right now. Charlie enjoys the tactical benefits of that for sometime in play.
However, since this is a living game, ever so often maybe three or even four times a year or seasonally, Charlie is hit with a rules revision which changes up the current meta and Charlie has to deal with the pretty severe (some might call unsustainable) cost of changing it all IF Charlie wants to re-gold for a new meta.

Mack the Knife decides to stick with purple gear because mack knows things change, mack isn't all that hung up on every extra point of the current meta and Mack even wants to have maybe several different sets tailored for different objectives. mack finds purple gear MUCH MORE sustainable. Mack finds the seasonal changes to be not anywhere near as problematic and matter of fact, may even enjoy learning the new ropes.

Daffy the duck chooses a sort of mid-way path. Daffy choose to go for gold but instead of going for the current minmax meta, Daffy chooses very flexible and adaptive sets that can survive a meta change relatively unchanged. As such, Daffy might stick with TBS armor, knowing by swapping around mundus configurations its very adaptive to changes in the game or even objectives. Daffy might have that gold, as a permanent keeper that is flexible and resilient but then let the other pieces of gear stay purple for sustainable changing to meet new conditions.

i consider Charlie, Mack and even Daffy to ALL have valid strategies which should be both viable and reasonable. the game makes gold-uber-alle quite a burden to obtain and redo, even seasonally, for most players. As such, it makes going for gold at least somewhat of a risk given we all know the game is a living mmo and things change.

So, i have no real sympathy for the folks who have gold gear that may be rendered "slightly less than optimal" by these seasonal changes in the game. You gained boosted performance for months at the expense of seasonal expenses that hurt.
other folks with other decisions had less boost during the day to day but now suffer less sting and can adapt back to what is their "max" much quicker.

This doesn't seem unfair but rather QUITE FAIR, to me.
it says there are more valid options than max-gold-max-all-now-now-now and they all have trade-offs.

I like that.

YMMV.

And yes, i got a LOT of gear making to do for the JUNE Db change-over. So it will sting. I have been working towards it since before TG though, so i think i am mostly ready for what comes.

Clarity is a flower that smells bad.

Very nice read.....nothing to do with offering a free respecc though, you are talking about gear and the analogy doesnt work.

Except he was responding directly to someone who was making a post about gear, so it does work as a reply to that post.

failkiwib16_ESO

o____O ..debate about a free + optional respec?

.. it is beneficial to the community, why would anyone be against it?

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

dday3six wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Tiveria wrote: »

Spearshard wrote: »

Don't bother arguing with James. I think he just enjoys playing devil's advocate, especially since he was advocating respec scrolls in another thread I saw last week.

Why does he even post? All he does is troll or he's really an idiot in real life?

I dont think you understand what trolling is. Might want to google it. Disagreement is not trolling. Debating a topic even if its heated is not trolling. Just because you dont agree with someone doesnt mean they are somehow trolling. I never make it personal which is what you are doing. Remember also that attacking someone in this fashion on the forums is against the rules. If you continue to do so then I will be forced to report it.

Remember argue the topic not the person.

When you say things along the line of 'There are quite a few Magicka builds that use weapon damage' and 'as a Magicka build you'll need to use your weapon, thus need weapon damage'. I think you're either confused about how stats function or you're trolling. So I said you're trolling as a benefit of the doubt.

Weapon Damage as per the DB update to the Fighter's Guild passive Slayer is the stat Weapon Damage. The one that scales Stamina Skills as well as light and heavy attacks with all non-staff weapons. It's not the damage on a weapon, that's completely different.

lol I never said anything about the damage of a weapon. You telling me no magicka people ever use a single stamina skill? Never use like dual wield flurry for example even tho they are a magicka build NB? Just curious why you think people with magicka builds only use magicka and never use melee weapons or stamina skills period. Where weapon dmg might be a nice thing to have.

Just because misguided individuals might do something doesn't mean it's effective. Hybrids are bearly passable in Solo play. Frankly players trying to force them in group content is part of the reason said content is often nerfed.

Flurry scales on Weapon Damage and Max Stamina. It will be gimped (deal terrible damage) on a build that stacks into Magicka and Spell Power, and splitting between them makes your skills worst overall. CP also favors either a Stamina or Magicka focus not both. That's why DK's Stamina skills were changed to Poison damage, and NB's to Disease.

A Magicka NB might use Flurry, but it will deal crap damage versus their native option of Concealed Weapon if a CQC is needed. It's usage also hinders blocking, dodging, and free break, since the Magicka NB is using a skill that eats into their their smaller Stamina pool.

Magicka builds use Dual Swords not for access to Stamina skills but for an extra set piece, more Spell Power, and increased damage thanks to the Twin Blade and Blunt passive.

So you agree that some people might use it that arent min/max and just play the game then right? So you saying its completely useless is not true. It is useful to some people. hence why people dont want to be forced to redo all their characters because you put 3 points into a FG skill on a magicka build.

There is nothing max/min about using the skills that scale properly with your build.

I'll use my numbers for example. Flurry on my Dark Elf Magicka DK tooltips at 3722 for all hits compared to my Redguard Stamina NB's 12858. Most players can do basic math.

Fact if the matter is you shouldnt be putting points into FG if you are a mage so thats your choice. Fact is other people can and will use builds different from your elitest min max the only build that could possibly work. So you arent getting a free respec over 3 points. Since you seem to be mr elite why not just use some of your millions and respec? You after all the expert on all things ESO you have to have tons of gold.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »

o____O ..debate about a free + optional respec?

.. it is beneficial to the community, why would anyone be against it?

Free is fine as long as its a mailed scroll. Free where i have to go back redo all my characters is not good for the community. low cost respec at the shrine is what I assume will be done.

BlackEar

I want to pay for respeccing.

Tryxus

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Fact if the matter is you shouldnt be putting points into FG if you are a mage so thats your choice.

Except that even Mages put 7 points in the FG passives to boost their damage againt Vamps and Werewolves and 2 points for Dawnbreaker of Smiting for a cheap and powerful Ultimate. And some MagBlades grab Camo Hunter as well for a bt of sneak attack boost

And all of that just got useless due to the big update, so a free respec wouldn't hurt. Preferably optional tho, but I'm sure a lot of ppl are gonna find a way to complain about that too

STEVIL

Buffler wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

I have to use potions for all of my characters, I have gear up all of my characters each require a different set depending on the class and playstyle and if they are magicka or stamina based.
I have to constantly pay for repair bills and even worse I have to upgrade all of my gear to legendary. It took months to get all my characters ready. So where exactly is 20k being literally nothing, do you know how much value I could get from 20k just from buying potions but yet I'd have to waste it on a respec?

here is my 2c on this point.

Charlie the tuna decides he wants to upgrade his gear to gold for the most bang for the buck optimize this month's meta right now. Charlie enjoys the tactical benefits of that for sometime in play.
However, since this is a living game, ever so often maybe three or even four times a year or seasonally, Charlie is hit with a rules revision which changes up the current meta and Charlie has to deal with the pretty severe (some might call unsustainable) cost of changing it all IF Charlie wants to re-gold for a new meta.

Mack the Knife decides to stick with purple gear because mack knows things change, mack isn't all that hung up on every extra point of the current meta and Mack even wants to have maybe several different sets tailored for different objectives. mack finds purple gear MUCH MORE sustainable. Mack finds the seasonal changes to be not anywhere near as problematic and matter of fact, may even enjoy learning the new ropes.

Daffy the duck chooses a sort of mid-way path. Daffy choose to go for gold but instead of going for the current minmax meta, Daffy chooses very flexible and adaptive sets that can survive a meta change relatively unchanged. As such, Daffy might stick with TBS armor, knowing by swapping around mundus configurations its very adaptive to changes in the game or even objectives. Daffy might have that gold, as a permanent keeper that is flexible and resilient but then let the other pieces of gear stay purple for sustainable changing to meet new conditions.

i consider Charlie, Mack and even Daffy to ALL have valid strategies which should be both viable and reasonable. the game makes gold-uber-alle quite a burden to obtain and redo, even seasonally, for most players. As such, it makes going for gold at least somewhat of a risk given we all know the game is a living mmo and things change.

So, i have no real sympathy for the folks who have gold gear that may be rendered "slightly less than optimal" by these seasonal changes in the game. You gained boosted performance for months at the expense of seasonal expenses that hurt.
other folks with other decisions had less boost during the day to day but now suffer less sting and can adapt back to what is their "max" much quicker.

This doesn't seem unfair but rather QUITE FAIR, to me.
it says there are more valid options than max-gold-max-all-now-now-now and they all have trade-offs.

I like that.

YMMV.

And yes, i got a LOT of gear making to do for the JUNE Db change-over. So it will sting. I have been working towards it since before TG though, so i think i am mostly ready for what comes.

Clarity is a flower that smells bad.

Very nice read.....nothing to do with offering a free respecc though, you are talking about gear and the analogy doesnt work.

Uhhh ok IF you had read you would see i was responding to someone elses post about having to regear for game changes and so it may not be as off topic as you suggest.

Perhaps there are other threads which need your ardent "stay on topic" policing as well?

Now, though i wasnt trying to link the two, i must say, that since both respec costs and special mats cost can be paid in gold, the decisions of Mack and others to not go all gold would likely allow them to have more gold snd so afford respec when they wish.

My position on reskilling and reatting for seasonal patches remains as i have stated already.
IT WOULD BE NICE for seasonal changes to have a free or cheap OPTION to do both with each character, either once or for a limited time.
IT WOULD BE BAD for seasonal changes to force automatic resets, period.
NICE does not mean ZOS HAS TO or ZOS EVIL IF THEY DONT just that it eould be good,.

Ymmv.

STEVIL

dimensional wrote: »

Buffler wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

I have to use potions for all of my characters, I have gear up all of my characters each require a different set depending on the class and playstyle and if they are magicka or stamina based.
I have to constantly pay for repair bills and even worse I have to upgrade all of my gear to legendary. It took months to get all my characters ready. So where exactly is 20k being literally nothing, do you know how much value I could get from 20k just from buying potions but yet I'd have to waste it on a respec?

here is my 2c on this point.

Charlie the tuna decides he wants to upgrade his gear to gold for the most bang for the buck optimize this month's meta right now. Charlie enjoys the tactical benefits of that for sometime in play.
However, since this is a living game, ever so often maybe three or even four times a year or seasonally, Charlie is hit with a rules revision which changes up the current meta and Charlie has to deal with the pretty severe (some might call unsustainable) cost of changing it all IF Charlie wants to re-gold for a new meta.

Mack the Knife decides to stick with purple gear because mack knows things change, mack isn't all that hung up on every extra point of the current meta and Mack even wants to have maybe several different sets tailored for different objectives. mack finds purple gear MUCH MORE sustainable. Mack finds the seasonal changes to be not anywhere near as problematic and matter of fact, may even enjoy learning the new ropes.

Daffy the duck chooses a sort of mid-way path. Daffy choose to go for gold but instead of going for the current minmax meta, Daffy chooses very flexible and adaptive sets that can survive a meta change relatively unchanged. As such, Daffy might stick with TBS armor, knowing by swapping around mundus configurations its very adaptive to changes in the game or even objectives. Daffy might have that gold, as a permanent keeper that is flexible and resilient but then let the other pieces of gear stay purple for sustainable changing to meet new conditions.

i consider Charlie, Mack and even Daffy to ALL have valid strategies which should be both viable and reasonable. the game makes gold-uber-alle quite a burden to obtain and redo, even seasonally, for most players. As such, it makes going for gold at least somewhat of a risk given we all know the game is a living mmo and things change.

So, i have no real sympathy for the folks who have gold gear that may be rendered "slightly less than optimal" by these seasonal changes in the game. You gained boosted performance for months at the expense of seasonal expenses that hurt.
other folks with other decisions had less boost during the day to day but now suffer less sting and can adapt back to what is their "max" much quicker.

This doesn't seem unfair but rather QUITE FAIR, to me.
it says there are more valid options than max-gold-max-all-now-now-now and they all have trade-offs.

I like that.

YMMV.

And yes, i got a LOT of gear making to do for the JUNE Db change-over. So it will sting. I have been working towards it since before TG though, so i think i am mostly ready for what comes.

Clarity is a flower that smells bad.

Very nice read.....nothing to do with offering a free respecc though, you are talking about gear and the analogy doesnt work.

Except he was responding directly to someone who was making a post about gear, so it does work as a reply to that post.

Look, someone who read it.

Awesome!