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ZOS Please Provide Free Respec For Dark Brotherhood
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jamesharv2005ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
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I have to use potions for all of my characters, I have gear up all of my characters each require a different set depending on the class and playstyle and if they are magicka or stamina based.
I have to constantly pay for repair bills and even worse I have to upgrade all of my gear to legendary. It took months to get all my characters ready. So where exactly is 20k being literally nothing, do you know how much value I could get from 20k just from buying potions but yet I'd have to waste it on a respec?
here is my 2c on this point.
Charlie the tuna decides he wants to upgrade his gear to gold for the most bang for the buck optimize this month's meta right now. Charlie enjoys the tactical benefits of that for sometime in play.
However, since this is a living game, ever so often maybe three or even four times a year or seasonally, Charlie is hit with a rules revision which changes up the current meta and Charlie has to deal with the pretty severe (some might call unsustainable) cost of changing it all IF Charlie wants to re-gold for a new meta.
Mack the Knife decides to stick with purple gear because mack knows things change, mack isn't all that hung up on every extra point of the current meta and Mack even wants to have maybe several different sets tailored for different objectives. mack finds purple gear MUCH MORE sustainable. Mack finds the seasonal changes to be not anywhere near as problematic and matter of fact, may even enjoy learning the new ropes.
Daffy the duck chooses a sort of mid-way path. Daffy choose to go for gold but instead of going for the current minmax meta, Daffy chooses very flexible and adaptive sets that can survive a meta change relatively unchanged. As such, Daffy might stick with TBS armor, knowing by swapping around mundus configurations its very adaptive to changes in the game or even objectives. Daffy might have that gold, as a permanent keeper that is flexible and resilient but then let the other pieces of gear stay purple for sustainable changing to meet new conditions.
i consider Charlie, Mack and even Daffy to ALL have valid strategies which should be both viable and reasonable. the game makes gold-uber-alle quite a burden to obtain and redo, even seasonally, for most players. As such, it makes going for gold at least somewhat of a risk given we all know the game is a living mmo and things change.
So, i have no real sympathy for the folks who have gold gear that may be rendered "slightly less than optimal" by these seasonal changes in the game. You gained boosted performance for months at the expense of seasonal expenses that hurt.
other folks with other decisions had less boost during the day to day but now suffer less sting and can adapt back to what is their "max" much quicker.
This doesn't seem unfair but rather QUITE FAIR, to me.
it says there are more valid options than max-gold-max-all-now-now-now and they all have trade-offs.
I like that.
YMMV.
And yes, i got a LOT of gear making to do for the JUNE Db change-over. So it will sting. I have been working towards it since before TG though, so i think i am mostly ready for what comes.
Clarity is a flower that smells bad.
Very nice read.....nothing to do with offering a free respecc though, you are talking about gear and the analogy doesnt work.
Uhhh ok IF you had read you would see i was responding to someone elses post about having to regear for game changes and so it may not be as off topic as you suggest.
Perhaps there are other threads which need your ardent "stay on topic" policing as well?
Now, though i wasnt trying to link the two, i must say, that since both respec costs and special mats cost can be paid in gold, the decisions of Mack and others to not go all gold would likely allow them to have more gold snd so afford respec when they wish.
My position on reskilling and reatting for seasonal patches remains as i have stated already.
IT WOULD BE NICE for seasonal changes to have a free or cheap OPTION to do both with each character, either once or for a limited time.
IT WOULD BE BAD for seasonal changes to force automatic resets, period.
NICE does not mean ZOS HAS TO or ZOS EVIL IF THEY DONT just that it eould be good,.
Ymmv.
So happy someone gets it too. Free respec is ok as long as it isnt forced on us.1 -
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✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: ».jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Spearshard wrote: »Don't bother arguing with James. I think he just enjoys playing devil's advocate, especially since he was advocating respec scrolls in another thread I saw last week.
Why does he even post? All he does is troll or he's really an idiot in real life?
I dont think you understand what trolling is. Might want to google it. Disagreement is not trolling. Debating a topic even if its heated is not trolling. Just because you dont agree with someone doesnt mean they are somehow trolling. I never make it personal which is what you are doing. Remember also that attacking someone in this fashion on the forums is against the rules. If you continue to do so then I will be forced to report it.
Remember argue the topic not the person.
When you say things along the line of 'There are quite a few Magicka builds that use weapon damage' and 'as a Magicka build you'll need to use your weapon, thus need weapon damage'. I think you're either confused about how stats function or you're trolling. So I said you're trolling as a benefit of the doubt.
Weapon Damage as per the DB update to the Fighter's Guild passive Slayer is the stat Weapon Damage. The one that scales Stamina Skills as well as light and heavy attacks with all non-staff weapons. It's not the damage on a weapon, that's completely different.
lol I never said anything about the damage of a weapon. You telling me no magicka people ever use a single stamina skill? Never use like dual wield flurry for example even tho they are a magicka build NB? Just curious why you think people with magicka builds only use magicka and never use melee weapons or stamina skills period. Where weapon dmg might be a nice thing to have.
Just because misguided individuals might do something doesn't mean it's effective. Hybrids are bearly passable in Solo play. Frankly players trying to force them in group content is part of the reason said content is often nerfed.
Flurry scales on Weapon Damage and Max Stamina. It will be gimped (deal terrible damage) on a build that stacks into Magicka and Spell Power, and splitting between them makes your skills worst overall. CP also favors either a Stamina or Magicka focus not both. That's why DK's Stamina skills were changed to Poison damage, and NB's to Disease.
A Magicka NB might use Flurry, but it will deal crap damage versus their native option of Concealed Weapon if a CQC is needed. It's usage also hinders blocking, dodging, and free break, since the Magicka NB is using a skill that eats into their their smaller Stamina pool.
Magicka builds use Dual Swords not for access to Stamina skills but for an extra set piece, more Spell Power, and increased damage thanks to the Twin Blade and Blunt passive.
So you agree that some people might use it that arent min/max and just play the game then right? So you saying its completely useless is not true. It is useful to some people. hence why people dont want to be forced to redo all their characters because you put 3 points into a FG skill on a magicka build.
There is nothing max/min about using the skills that scale properly with your build.
I'll use my numbers for example. Flurry on my Dark Elf Magicka DK tooltips at 3722 for all hits compared to my Redguard Stamina NB's 12858. Most players can do basic math.
Fact if the matter is you shouldnt be putting points into FG if you are a mage so thats your choice. Fact is other people can and will use builds different from your elitest min max the only build that could possibly work. So you arent getting a free respec over 3 points. Since you seem to be mr elite why not just use some of your millions and respec? You after all the expert on all things ESO you have to have tons of gold.
So using the skills that a build supports best. As in, if your a Magicka build using skills that scale off Magicka and Spell Power vs ones that scale Stamina and Weapon Damage is elitist? Just wow...2 -
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✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: ».jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Spearshard wrote: »Don't bother arguing with James. I think he just enjoys playing devil's advocate, especially since he was advocating respec scrolls in another thread I saw last week.
Why does he even post? All he does is troll or he's really an idiot in real life?
I dont think you understand what trolling is. Might want to google it. Disagreement is not trolling. Debating a topic even if its heated is not trolling. Just because you dont agree with someone doesnt mean they are somehow trolling. I never make it personal which is what you are doing. Remember also that attacking someone in this fashion on the forums is against the rules. If you continue to do so then I will be forced to report it.
Remember argue the topic not the person.
When you say things along the line of 'There are quite a few Magicka builds that use weapon damage' and 'as a Magicka build you'll need to use your weapon, thus need weapon damage'. I think you're either confused about how stats function or you're trolling. So I said you're trolling as a benefit of the doubt.
Weapon Damage as per the DB update to the Fighter's Guild passive Slayer is the stat Weapon Damage. The one that scales Stamina Skills as well as light and heavy attacks with all non-staff weapons. It's not the damage on a weapon, that's completely different.
lol I never said anything about the damage of a weapon. You telling me no magicka people ever use a single stamina skill? Never use like dual wield flurry for example even tho they are a magicka build NB? Just curious why you think people with magicka builds only use magicka and never use melee weapons or stamina skills period. Where weapon dmg might be a nice thing to have.
Just because misguided individuals might do something doesn't mean it's effective. Hybrids are bearly passable in Solo play. Frankly players trying to force them in group content is part of the reason said content is often nerfed.
Flurry scales on Weapon Damage and Max Stamina. It will be gimped (deal terrible damage) on a build that stacks into Magicka and Spell Power, and splitting between them makes your skills worst overall. CP also favors either a Stamina or Magicka focus not both. That's why DK's Stamina skills were changed to Poison damage, and NB's to Disease.
A Magicka NB might use Flurry, but it will deal crap damage versus their native option of Concealed Weapon if a CQC is needed. It's usage also hinders blocking, dodging, and free break, since the Magicka NB is using a skill that eats into their their smaller Stamina pool.
Magicka builds use Dual Swords not for access to Stamina skills but for an extra set piece, more Spell Power, and increased damage thanks to the Twin Blade and Blunt passive.
So you agree that some people might use it that arent min/max and just play the game then right? So you saying its completely useless is not true. It is useful to some people. hence why people dont want to be forced to redo all their characters because you put 3 points into a FG skill on a magicka build.
There is nothing max/min about using the skills that scale properly with your build.
I'll use my numbers for example. Flurry on my Dark Elf Magicka DK tooltips at 3722 for all hits compared to my Redguard Stamina NB's 12858. Most players can do basic math.
Fact if the matter is you shouldnt be putting points into FG if you are a mage so thats your choice. Fact is other people can and will use builds different from your elitest min max the only build that could possibly work. So you arent getting a free respec over 3 points. Since you seem to be mr elite why not just use some of your millions and respec? You after all the expert on all things ESO you have to have tons of gold.
So using the skills that a build supports best. As in, if your a Magicka build using skills that scale off Magicka and Spell Power vs ones that scale Stamina and Weapon Damage is elitist? Just wow...
Ya wow people play differently that you. Wow. What is really "WOW!" is that you complain over 3 points out of 100s and want not just skill reset but champ points and attributes too. Thats really "wow just wow".2 -
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✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: ».jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Spearshard wrote: »Don't bother arguing with James. I think he just enjoys playing devil's advocate, especially since he was advocating respec scrolls in another thread I saw last week.
Why does he even post? All he does is troll or he's really an idiot in real life?
I dont think you understand what trolling is. Might want to google it. Disagreement is not trolling. Debating a topic even if its heated is not trolling. Just because you dont agree with someone doesnt mean they are somehow trolling. I never make it personal which is what you are doing. Remember also that attacking someone in this fashion on the forums is against the rules. If you continue to do so then I will be forced to report it.
Remember argue the topic not the person.
When you say things along the line of 'There are quite a few Magicka builds that use weapon damage' and 'as a Magicka build you'll need to use your weapon, thus need weapon damage'. I think you're either confused about how stats function or you're trolling. So I said you're trolling as a benefit of the doubt.
Weapon Damage as per the DB update to the Fighter's Guild passive Slayer is the stat Weapon Damage. The one that scales Stamina Skills as well as light and heavy attacks with all non-staff weapons. It's not the damage on a weapon, that's completely different.
lol I never said anything about the damage of a weapon. You telling me no magicka people ever use a single stamina skill? Never use like dual wield flurry for example even tho they are a magicka build NB? Just curious why you think people with magicka builds only use magicka and never use melee weapons or stamina skills period. Where weapon dmg might be a nice thing to have.
Just because misguided individuals might do something doesn't mean it's effective. Hybrids are bearly passable in Solo play. Frankly players trying to force them in group content is part of the reason said content is often nerfed.
Flurry scales on Weapon Damage and Max Stamina. It will be gimped (deal terrible damage) on a build that stacks into Magicka and Spell Power, and splitting between them makes your skills worst overall. CP also favors either a Stamina or Magicka focus not both. That's why DK's Stamina skills were changed to Poison damage, and NB's to Disease.
A Magicka NB might use Flurry, but it will deal crap damage versus their native option of Concealed Weapon if a CQC is needed. It's usage also hinders blocking, dodging, and free break, since the Magicka NB is using a skill that eats into their their smaller Stamina pool.
Magicka builds use Dual Swords not for access to Stamina skills but for an extra set piece, more Spell Power, and increased damage thanks to the Twin Blade and Blunt passive.
So you agree that some people might use it that arent min/max and just play the game then right? So you saying its completely useless is not true. It is useful to some people. hence why people dont want to be forced to redo all their characters because you put 3 points into a FG skill on a magicka build.
There is nothing max/min about using the skills that scale properly with your build.
I'll use my numbers for example. Flurry on my Dark Elf Magicka DK tooltips at 3722 for all hits compared to my Redguard Stamina NB's 12858. Most players can do basic math.
Fact if the matter is you shouldnt be putting points into FG if you are a mage so thats your choice. Fact is other people can and will use builds different from your elitest min max the only build that could possibly work. So you arent getting a free respec over 3 points. Since you seem to be mr elite why not just use some of your millions and respec? You after all the expert on all things ESO you have to have tons of gold.
So using the skills that a build supports best. As in, if your a Magicka build using skills that scale off Magicka and Spell Power vs ones that scale Stamina and Weapon Damage is elitist? Just wow...
Ya wow people play differently that you. Wow. What is really "WOW!" is that you complain over 3 points out of 100s and want not just skill reset but champ points and attributes too. Thats really "wow just wow".
You're confused. This started with me pointing out a situation that made points Fighter's Guild useless to Magicka builds. I have said nothing about CP or Attributes.
It's not about different. It's going to be a small minority who will try and force Stamina scaling skills into a Magicka build. Hybrid builds simply don't work, they're not effective or sustainable.2 -
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✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: ».jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Spearshard wrote: »Don't bother arguing with James. I think he just enjoys playing devil's advocate, especially since he was advocating respec scrolls in another thread I saw last week.
Why does he even post? All he does is troll or he's really an idiot in real life?
I dont think you understand what trolling is. Might want to google it. Disagreement is not trolling. Debating a topic even if its heated is not trolling. Just because you dont agree with someone doesnt mean they are somehow trolling. I never make it personal which is what you are doing. Remember also that attacking someone in this fashion on the forums is against the rules. If you continue to do so then I will be forced to report it.
Remember argue the topic not the person.
When you say things along the line of 'There are quite a few Magicka builds that use weapon damage' and 'as a Magicka build you'll need to use your weapon, thus need weapon damage'. I think you're either confused about how stats function or you're trolling. So I said you're trolling as a benefit of the doubt.
Weapon Damage as per the DB update to the Fighter's Guild passive Slayer is the stat Weapon Damage. The one that scales Stamina Skills as well as light and heavy attacks with all non-staff weapons. It's not the damage on a weapon, that's completely different.
lol I never said anything about the damage of a weapon. You telling me no magicka people ever use a single stamina skill? Never use like dual wield flurry for example even tho they are a magicka build NB? Just curious why you think people with magicka builds only use magicka and never use melee weapons or stamina skills period. Where weapon dmg might be a nice thing to have.
Just because misguided individuals might do something doesn't mean it's effective. Hybrids are bearly passable in Solo play. Frankly players trying to force them in group content is part of the reason said content is often nerfed.
Flurry scales on Weapon Damage and Max Stamina. It will be gimped (deal terrible damage) on a build that stacks into Magicka and Spell Power, and splitting between them makes your skills worst overall. CP also favors either a Stamina or Magicka focus not both. That's why DK's Stamina skills were changed to Poison damage, and NB's to Disease.
A Magicka NB might use Flurry, but it will deal crap damage versus their native option of Concealed Weapon if a CQC is needed. It's usage also hinders blocking, dodging, and free break, since the Magicka NB is using a skill that eats into their their smaller Stamina pool.
Magicka builds use Dual Swords not for access to Stamina skills but for an extra set piece, more Spell Power, and increased damage thanks to the Twin Blade and Blunt passive.
So you agree that some people might use it that arent min/max and just play the game then right? So you saying its completely useless is not true. It is useful to some people. hence why people dont want to be forced to redo all their characters because you put 3 points into a FG skill on a magicka build.
There is nothing max/min about using the skills that scale properly with your build.
I'll use my numbers for example. Flurry on my Dark Elf Magicka DK tooltips at 3722 for all hits compared to my Redguard Stamina NB's 12858. Most players can do basic math.
Fact if the matter is you shouldnt be putting points into FG if you are a mage so thats your choice. Fact is other people can and will use builds different from your elitest min max the only build that could possibly work. So you arent getting a free respec over 3 points. Since you seem to be mr elite why not just use some of your millions and respec? You after all the expert on all things ESO you have to have tons of gold.
So using the skills that a build supports best. As in, if your a Magicka build using skills that scale off Magicka and Spell Power vs ones that scale Stamina and Weapon Damage is elitist? Just wow...
Ya wow people play differently that you. Wow. What is really "WOW!" is that you complain over 3 points out of 100s and want not just skill reset but champ points and attributes too. Thats really "wow just wow".
You're confused. This started with me pointing out a situation that made points Fighter's Guild useless to Magicka builds. I have said nothing about CP or Attributes.
It's not about different. It's going to be a small minority who will try and force Stamina scaling skills into a Magicka build. Hybrid builds simply don't work, they're not effective or sustainable.
In your opinion. For what others do they DO work. Ya they prob wont be on any leaderboards. Probably wont be doing that solo arena thing anytime soon. Its fun tho for them. Whats not fun is having to redo all my characters every DLC. If they want to mail out free vouchers fine mail away. Dont force me to respec if I dont want to. Thats all I ask.1 -
Aelthwyn✭✭✭✭✭failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »o____O ..debate about a free + optional respec?
.. it is beneficial to the community, why would anyone be against it?
Seriously. Thank you.
I do not understand people who insist on making things hard on others just because they themselves happen to be privileged to either have tons of gold or not be affected by the changes. Seriously people? How will a free respec scroll for those who want it HURT you? Why not be gracious to other players who feel aversely affected by these changes? How can it possibly be such a burden to you if someone else gets a free rescpec when changes have been made to their skills? I don’t see how this could be something to fight against unless you just really like to watch other people be frustrated and disappointed.
And for those who don’t want to hear people whine about obtaining gold in game, How about let’s not hear whining about how Hard it is to click little plus signs to re-allot skill points? I doubt earning the in game gold would take LESS time than respecing your characters. And if it’s so easy to make gold, complaining about the space some unused free scrolls would take up makes no sense - go buy your bank upgrades, or else right-click, destroy :P The inconvenience to those whose skills are no longer optimal and who aren’t sitting on piles of gold will be far greater than the inconvenience to the people complaining about being given some form of respec that they don’t want to bother with.
It seems like a complete no-brainer to me.9 -
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✭✭✭I think you guys are still confused. Me for example I am fine with respec scrolls being mailed out. Hell make em free on the store I dont care. Just dont force it on me.3 -
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✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »I think you guys are still confused. Me for example I am fine with respec scrolls being mailed out. Hell make em free on the store I dont care. Just dont force it on me.
EXACTLY.
What the "but why not" and "why mess it up for us" crowd has missed or ignores either intentionally or accidentally is that last time they did a mass reset. After that it was said they did not have the ability to mas mail everyone respec or anything PER CHARACTER. So, at that time, mass reset was the only option.
Someone has pointed out that in the past they did a temporary lowering of cost in the shrines, but what hasn't been asked is "so how many problems did that cause that led them to not use it the next time and do the drastic reset all?
IT IS NOT GUARANTEED that a smooth easy free/cheap respec is doable or that it is doable in a way that satisfies most.
Until; ZOS says "yes we can" a number of folks like myself are gonna keep voting "NO... unless..." to any post patch respec.
But, hey, if its easier to believe we are out to get YOU, persecuting YOU is our goal , then just maintain your position at the center of your universe and we will be ok with that.
me, i expect to respec 8 chars, plus create new gear for six of them, to 160 specs plus adding two new ones at least and really refocusing one or two in the process SO, really, its about me, in my mind.
YMMV.Proudly skooma free while talks-when-drunk is in mandatory public housing.
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✭Yea, ZOS screwed over Magicka Templar fighter guild passives and ultimate. I want my free respec too. @ZOS_Finn @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOSEdited by Justice31st on May 1, 2016 10:45PM"The more you know who you are, and what you want, the less you let things upset you."3 -
Rawst✭✭✭I agree, would love the optional free respec. Was very disappointed when Thieves Guild came out with no attribute and skill reset. I expected a respec from a major update, to me it was obvious to have one. Heard a rumour that it was gone because some console folks complained about having to do it.
Just make it optional then, and everyone will be happy.Beasts in amber! Wake and remember!2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭my magicka ritual skill is changing to include a DoT (and loses cleanses)
@Joy_Division . Where did you get that purifying ritual is losing the cleanse? Read patch notes dude! It's getting an added dot, not losing the cleanse.
Purifying ritual right now cleanses 5 debuffs. On the DB PTS, it only cleanses 2. So it's losing 3 cleanses.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »
Because there are changes to every class which requires a respec, remorphing usually leaves you need a few more skill points to get something else.jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Why would you need to completely redo all of your characters? I see a lot of changes but only for my stamina character. I dont really see a need to reallocate champ points either on the stamina characters. They already have the right champ "perks" already. Just the skill morphs basically I need to redo on the stamina guys.
Champion System tends to change as well almost all the time
To me it seems more you just want to change them all not need to. In that case I dont see why it should be free.
Because we got stuck paying for the last time because of people like you telling us it's not necessary to remoph our characters despite the game changing stuff that I picked a long time ago.
And don't tell me that me I'm just looking for a free handout from ZoS. Even though this is the "stamina" update, ZoS is changing my magicka templar enough that I do need different skill morphs and CPs changes: my magicka ritual skill is changing to include a DoT (and loses cleanses), one of my magicka skills is getting changed so I won't be using it (prox det) and thus no need to consider CPs there, and harness magicka is going on my bar now and thus need bastion.
When TG came out they made respecs cheap for like a week right? So how much did you actually spend? ZOS has drastically reduced the price of respec since launch. So stop playing the martyr go spend a few gold and respec your characters.
No cheap respecs.
I spent a lot.
What's Launch have to do with the DB update?
I'm not playing the martyr.
i did spend gold to respec my characters, because people like you obfuscate what should be a simple issue with a clear resolution that pleases everyone.
You would rather come onto these forums, derail the topic talking about how stuff was at launch (which, by the way, if you want to go there, ZoS then actually went through the trouble of only unmorphing skills that were modified by patches), and go on telling people how they should spend their money and then on top of that judging whether or not the amount they do spend is a lot of a little even though you have zero clue about their game bankroll.
Why you couldn't just say, "ZoS, I'd rather not have to remorph all my skills automatically, can u please send everyone a respec scroll in the mail so we are all happy" is beyond me. It's like you would prefer people to be unnecessarily inconvenienced just so you can get your way. How selfish.Edited by Joy_Division on May 2, 2016 4:12AMMake Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.6 -
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✭✭✭It was WAY WAY more expensive to respec they have dropped the price at least twice. I mean perm price drops. Like the one guy said 20k per character for complete respec (20k and some change). Now I made that in one night just selling junk to the vendor. Anyways regardless they already said multiple times no more forced respecs. So like I said before I assume either a short time of cheap shrine respecs or possibly mailing someone a respec scroll.
Any way I dont care as long as Im not forced to redo everything. Free respescs with ESO have always been forced. Thats all anyone is asking. Dont force it. They listened. Im sure once we get closer to the launch they will give a definite yes or no on those options.1 -
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✭✭✭✭They aren't going to provide free respec, or even an option for free respec (tokens or something) as there is a respec scroll that you can buy in the crown store. The notion that "people complained about it so we won't do it again" is just a convenient excuse.
I am not saying I agree with that, I would like a free respec every time my skills went through significant change, but that's just the way it is.Edited by Epona222 on May 2, 2016 5:40AMGM - Ghost Sea Trading Co - NA PC
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Mirelurk✭✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Any way I dont care as long as Im not forced to redo everything.
It's pretty funny for somebody to claim they "don't care" when they have posted so many times, and at such length, in a baffling attempt to argue against people who would rather not get shafted on respecs.
The amount of effort posting pages of drivel here would far exceed the effort in allocating skill points even if there was a forced respec.
I'd have to think, therefore, you are just trolling.
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Suru✭✭✭✭Some consumable to which we can use to respec would be great to mediate complaints from the past about ZoS forcibly respeccing people without them wanting too.
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Lithium Flower✭✭✭✭I have 8 veterans, all of them will need to respec, many will need new gear because of the heavy armour and trait changes. I don't have enough gold for a respec that's being forced upon me because the skills I chose changed without reference to my wishes.
As ridiculous as it that people are complaining about the 5 minutes it takes to redo the skills on your character vs hours of farming/grinding to make enough gold for respecs, just please give us the option that we were given in update 3.
Discount skill respecs to 1g/skill at the shrine for week. This is the best option. Please do this.Dragonknight Smith of the Lith | Rayna Dreloth
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✭✭✭Lithium Flower wrote: »I have 8 veterans, all of them will need to respec, many will need new gear because of the heavy armour and trait changes. I don't have enough gold for a respec that's being forced upon me because the skills I chose changed without reference to my wishes.
As ridiculous as it that people are complaining about the 5 minutes it takes to redo the skills on your character vs hours of farming/grinding to make enough gold for respecs, just please give us the option that we were given in update 3.
Discount skill respecs to 1g/skill at the shrine for week. This is the best option. Please do this.
It takes longer than five minutes come on now lets stay within the realm of reality here. It would take 5 mins just to click the attribute to max. Then Ive got to go back through do all the skills and morphs etc again. Which is why I said either mail scrolls or put it like you said on the shrines at a discount. That isnt free tho so people still complain.1 -
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✭✭✭Anyways back on topic. The logical thing to do would be discounted respecs at the shrines. Simple. Flip of a switch. Choose if you want to or not. Why anyone would be against that I have no idea.Edited by jamesharv2005ub17_ESO on May 2, 2016 7:45AM3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Anyways back on topic before the thread was so rudely derailed. The logical thing to do would be discounted respecs at the shrines. Simple. Flip of a switch. Choose if you want to or not. Why anyone would be against that I have no idea.
I don't see why anyone would consider a free automated respec as "forced". Why anyone would be against that I have no idea. It takes 10 minutes to put the points back, and gives everyone the opportunity to read again about all skills and passives, get an insight of the changes and spend a little bit brain power on your build. It's a great opportunity.
If you complain that it takes too long... well, I don't know what to say anymore, especially considering - as someone already mentioned - the time you spend argumenting here about anything and everything.
To answer your question precisely : who would be against a free respect scroll or something equivalent ? Answer : ZOS.
- It would cost them resources to code
- It would remove a gold sink and the game desperately needs gold sinks
- I don't see why ZOS would make an effort considering the names they've been called by players last time they did a free respec.4 -
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I'd be happy if they did it that way, offer discounted respecs at the shrines for a week after each major update. Heck, they could offer it free at the shrines for one week after each major update for all I care... I just do not wish to have iot choved in my face when I might not have any intention of changing anything. And if I DO want to make changes... I never had any problem paying for it yet...jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Anyways back on topic. The logical thing to do would be discounted respecs at the shrines. Simple. Flip of a switch. Choose if you want to or not. Why anyone would be against that I have no idea.
I do see it that way. I am against it.anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »I don't see why anyone would consider a free automated respec as "forced". Why anyone would be against that I have no idea...
It is darn annoying having to redo ALL your skill morphs and passive skill points... maybe not if you have lowbie characters, but... with eight characters from V16 to V2, it Does get ***... uhm... rather tenious.
I hated it back when that was how they did it.
I loved it when they stopped doing it that way.1 -
Farorin✭✭✭✭✭Free respec would be great.
The only drawback is for suckas.
For those suckas, you could make the respec optional potentially.
Log in "There has been a lot of skill changes, would you like your skills to be respecced?"1 -
Saltypretzels✭✭✭✭I want option to respec. It is not fair to the player to gimp/change our builds and then force us to pay the cost on top of it.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭TheShadowScout wrote: »I do see it that way. I am against it.
It is darn annoying having to redo ALL your skill morphs and passive skill points... maybe not if you have lowbie characters, but... with eight characters from V16 to V2, it Does get ***... uhm... rather tenious.
I hated it back when that was how they did it.
I loved it when they stopped doing it that way.
I know, you expressed it several times.
I'm a big fan of your well-written posts and I usually agree with you 150%, but in this case I don't really get it, but I guess it's no big deal to disagree on such relatively small things ;-)
Free respec isn't going to happen anyway so just enjoy ;-)
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✭✭✭Saltypretzels wrote: »I want option to respec. It is not fair to the player to gimp/change our builds and then force us to pay the cost on top of it.
If its like 1g per point I dont see a problem with paying the shrine. Its not technically free but might as well be. We also know they have this tech they did it once at least already.1 -
Inklings✭✭✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: ».jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Spearshard wrote: »Don't bother arguing with James. I think he just enjoys playing devil's advocate, especially since he was advocating respec scrolls in another thread I saw last week.
Why does he even post? All he does is troll or he's really an idiot in real life?
I dont think you understand what trolling is. Might want to google it. Disagreement is not trolling. Debating a topic even if its heated is not trolling. Just because you dont agree with someone doesnt mean they are somehow trolling. I never make it personal which is what you are doing. Remember also that attacking someone in this fashion on the forums is against the rules. If you continue to do so then I will be forced to report it.
Remember argue the topic not the person.
When you say things along the line of 'There are quite a few Magicka builds that use weapon damage' and 'as a Magicka build you'll need to use your weapon, thus need weapon damage'. I think you're either confused about how stats function or you're trolling. So I said you're trolling as a benefit of the doubt.
Weapon Damage as per the DB update to the Fighter's Guild passive Slayer is the stat Weapon Damage. The one that scales Stamina Skills as well as light and heavy attacks with all non-staff weapons. It's not the damage on a weapon, that's completely different.
lol I never said anything about the damage of a weapon. You telling me no magicka people ever use a single stamina skill? Never use like dual wield flurry for example even tho they are a magicka build NB? Just curious why you think people with magicka builds only use magicka and never use melee weapons or stamina skills period. Where weapon dmg might be a nice thing to have.
Just because misguided individuals might do something doesn't mean it's effective. Hybrids are bearly passable in Solo play. Frankly players trying to force them in group content is part of the reason said content is often nerfed.
Flurry scales on Weapon Damage and Max Stamina. It will be gimped (deal terrible damage) on a build that stacks into Magicka and Spell Power, and splitting between them makes your skills worst overall. CP also favors either a Stamina or Magicka focus not both. That's why DK's Stamina skills were changed to Poison damage, and NB's to Disease.
A Magicka NB might use Flurry, but it will deal crap damage versus their native option of Concealed Weapon if a CQC is needed. It's usage also hinders blocking, dodging, and free break, since the Magicka NB is using a skill that eats into their their smaller Stamina pool.
Magicka builds use Dual Swords not for access to Stamina skills but for an extra set piece, more Spell Power, and increased damage thanks to the Twin Blade and Blunt passive.
So you agree that some people might use it that arent min/max and just play the game then right? So you saying its completely useless is not true. It is useful to some people. hence why people dont want to be forced to redo all their characters because you put 3 points into a FG skill on a magicka build.
There is nothing max/min about using the skills that scale properly with your build.
I'll use my numbers for example. Flurry on my Dark Elf Magicka DK tooltips at 3722 for all hits compared to my Redguard Stamina NB's 12858. Most players can do basic math.
Fact if the matter is you shouldnt be putting points into FG if you are a mage so thats your choice. Fact is other people can and will use builds different from your elitest min max the only build that could possibly work. So you arent getting a free respec over 3 points. Since you seem to be mr elite why not just use some of your millions and respec? You after all the expert on all things ESO you have to have tons of gold.
There are 3 really good skills your top skilled casters use from the FG skill line. The magic version of the flawless dawnbreaker is good for vMA. Trap beast is amazing for long fights on high magic crit builds. Even hunter will increase magic dps in long fights vs undead and daedra. That's 6 skill points right there not counting the passive that everyone uses as well.
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Daraugh✭✭✭✭✭I agree with the OP. A scroll respec would be awesome! Maybe make it the same way the cake voucher worked in the crown store, so each character has access to it once, for free, at the time and place of their choosing. If they don't want it, they don't have to take it or even have it take up an inventory slot. Two scrolls each, one for skills and one for CP, for each character.May all beings have happiness
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✭I am extremely annoyed by the fact that I'll have to spend alot of gold on skills and CP respecs on all my characters. I don't play 6 hours a day so making all this gold is not easy task for me. And also it's annoying that the game forces me to spend gold on something I didn't choose (change on skills I mean).PC/DC/NAserver
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jimmulvaney✭✭✭Saltypretzels wrote: »I want option to respec. It is not fair to the player to gimp/change our builds and then force us to pay the cost on top of it.
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✭These respecs do not happen because we, as players, complained nonstop about being forced to respec. As soon as that happened, we did nothing but complain about the respec being taken away. The changes to skills are almost entirely in response to what we said we wanted, and most of us who asked for these changes have made plans to accommodate the cost of the changes. It takes 16x more gold to upgrade a single piece of heavy armor as it does to respec CP, and at least twice (depending how many skill points said player has allocated) the cost of redoing morphs. Basically, respecs are cheap. I can do a few pledges and make enough for a full respec. I don't see why this is such a huge ordeal for so many people.0