IT'S DRAGONKNIGHT not poisonknight @ZOS

Tryxus

poisonknight

Asherons_Call wrote: »

Ever play D&D?

There are all sorts of dragons that breathe just about any element you can imagine. (Fire, ice, electricity, acid, poison gas, sonic, sand, tar, etc)

willklippsteinb14_ESO

poisonknight

willklippsteinb14_ESO wrote: »

dimensional wrote: »

willklippsteinb14_ESO wrote: »

dimensional wrote: »

willklippsteinb14_ESO wrote: »

LOL the Dragon knights don't like it when their class skills get changed ^^, welcome to the world of the sorcs, unfortunetly we get to enjoy the nerfs while you guys can do more damage, yet you still complain?

Except what this thread is talking about has nothing to do with mechanics, but aesthetics. Try harder next time.

lol they are still complaining about a change that increases their damage output, and complaining? how is this not mechanics, the poison has increased dmg, via champ points its a class being buffed, while sorcs get a nerf on shields from 20 sec to six sec.....how is this not mechanics? please explain....

They are talking about the way the it looks, the animations, etc. Not the damage aspect. How hard is that to understand?

its hard to understand how one can complain about something that helps them in the long run ^^ while other classes truly get messed with ^^ ide rather spit poison then have no defence^^

no defence and one shots ^^

dimensional

willklippsteinb14_ESO wrote: »

dimensional wrote: »

willklippsteinb14_ESO wrote: »

dimensional wrote: »

willklippsteinb14_ESO wrote: »

LOL the Dragon knights don't like it when their class skills get changed ^^, welcome to the world of the sorcs, unfortunetly we get to enjoy the nerfs while you guys can do more damage, yet you still complain?

Except what this thread is talking about has nothing to do with mechanics, but aesthetics. Try harder next time.

lol they are still complaining about a change that increases their damage output, and complaining? how is this not mechanics, the poison has increased dmg, via champ points its a class being buffed, while sorcs get a nerf on shields from 20 sec to six sec.....how is this not mechanics? please explain....

They are talking about the way the it looks, the animations, etc. Not the damage aspect. How hard is that to understand?

its hard to understand how one can complain about something that helps them in the long run ^^ while other classes truly get messed with ^^ ide rather spit poison then have no defence^^

Except you don't have no defense, your wards are just slightly less overpowered now. It's called balance. You don't have to agree with it but that's exactly what it is. And why do you feel the need to come into a thread just to talk about something that you have no stake in?

BTW I play every single class, every build. I'm not partial to one over the other and the sorc shields absolutely are too much at this point, so this is a welcome change.

Psychotius

poisonknight

Stam Poisonknight, Magic Dragonknight all the way. Love the changes.

willklippsteinb14_ESO

poisonknight

dimensional wrote: »

willklippsteinb14_ESO wrote: »

dimensional wrote: »

willklippsteinb14_ESO wrote: »

dimensional wrote: »

willklippsteinb14_ESO wrote: »

LOL the Dragon knights don't like it when their class skills get changed ^^, welcome to the world of the sorcs, unfortunetly we get to enjoy the nerfs while you guys can do more damage, yet you still complain?

Except what this thread is talking about has nothing to do with mechanics, but aesthetics. Try harder next time.

lol they are still complaining about a change that increases their damage output, and complaining? how is this not mechanics, the poison has increased dmg, via champ points its a class being buffed, while sorcs get a nerf on shields from 20 sec to six sec.....how is this not mechanics? please explain....

They are talking about the way the it looks, the animations, etc. Not the damage aspect. How hard is that to understand?

its hard to understand how one can complain about something that helps them in the long run ^^ while other classes truly get messed with ^^ ide rather spit poison then have no defence^^

Except you don't have no defense, your wards are just slightly less overpowered now. It's called balance. You don't have to agree with it but that's exactly what it is. And why do you feel the need to come into a thread just to talk about something that you have no stake in?

BTW I play every single class, every build. I'm not partial to one over the other and the sorc shields absolutely are too much at this point, so this is a welcome change.

lol no stake in? I have a vr16 of every class aswell as the rest of my slots filled with vr lvl toons, and I totally understand how a sorcs shields were OP, but that's a really bad nerf, from 20sec to 6 sec? makes shields useless, sorcs are pretty much required to have shields up 24/7 in pvp or we get on hits from stamblades, how is this fair? especially now that stam dk's and stam blades can actually do sustained dps with their new poison morphs?

dimensional

How is it fair that my stam blade can't spam cloak and I have literally no other damage mitigation yet I don't complain at all? I still do just fine. I will do just fine on my sorc without a 20 second shield, as well. If you can't, sucks to be you I guess.

willklippsteinb14_ESO

poisonknight

willklippsteinb14_ESO wrote: »

dimensional wrote: »

willklippsteinb14_ESO wrote: »

dimensional wrote: »

willklippsteinb14_ESO wrote: »

dimensional wrote: »

willklippsteinb14_ESO wrote: »

LOL the Dragon knights don't like it when their class skills get changed ^^, welcome to the world of the sorcs, unfortunetly we get to enjoy the nerfs while you guys can do more damage, yet you still complain?

Except what this thread is talking about has nothing to do with mechanics, but aesthetics. Try harder next time.

lol they are still complaining about a change that increases their damage output, and complaining? how is this not mechanics, the poison has increased dmg, via champ points its a class being buffed, while sorcs get a nerf on shields from 20 sec to six sec.....how is this not mechanics? please explain....

They are talking about the way the it looks, the animations, etc. Not the damage aspect. How hard is that to understand?

its hard to understand how one can complain about something that helps them in the long run ^^ while other classes truly get messed with ^^ ide rather spit poison then have no defence^^

Except you don't have no defense, your wards are just slightly less overpowered now. It's called balance. You don't have to agree with it but that's exactly what it is. And why do you feel the need to come into a thread just to talk about something that you have no stake in?

BTW I play every single class, every build. I'm not partial to one over the other and the sorc shields absolutely are too much at this point, so this is a welcome change.

lol no stake in? I have a vr16 of every class aswell as the rest of my slots filled with vr lvl toons, and I totally understand how a sorcs shields were OP, but that's a really bad nerf, from 20sec to 6 sec? makes shields useless, sorcs are pretty much required to have shields up 24/7 in pvp or we get on hits from stamblades, how is this fair? especially now that stam dk's and stam blades can actually do sustained dps with their new poison morphs?

that are being complained about already ^^, we got nerfed because ppl complaining about not having the dmg to kill sorcs, so now yall get buffed while we take a nerf hammer, and yet theres still complaining....this sir is my point,,,,it could be a lot worse ^^, anyways, ive lost interest, ive stated my opinion, ill bid you good day

dimensional

You have nothing useful to add to this conversation, yet you invited yourself into it with a weak opinion and zero justification. I will have a good day, thanks.

willklippsteinb14_ESO

poisonknight

willklippsteinb14_ESO wrote: »

willklippsteinb14_ESO wrote: »

dimensional wrote: »

willklippsteinb14_ESO wrote: »

dimensional wrote: »

willklippsteinb14_ESO wrote: »

dimensional wrote: »

willklippsteinb14_ESO wrote: »

LOL the Dragon knights don't like it when their class skills get changed ^^, welcome to the world of the sorcs, unfortunetly we get to enjoy the nerfs while you guys can do more damage, yet you still complain?

Except what this thread is talking about has nothing to do with mechanics, but aesthetics. Try harder next time.

lol they are still complaining about a change that increases their damage output, and complaining? how is this not mechanics, the poison has increased dmg, via champ points its a class being buffed, while sorcs get a nerf on shields from 20 sec to six sec.....how is this not mechanics? please explain....

They are talking about the way the it looks, the animations, etc. Not the damage aspect. How hard is that to understand?

its hard to understand how one can complain about something that helps them in the long run ^^ while other classes truly get messed with ^^ ide rather spit poison then have no defence^^

Except you don't have no defense, your wards are just slightly less overpowered now. It's called balance. You don't have to agree with it but that's exactly what it is. And why do you feel the need to come into a thread just to talk about something that you have no stake in?

BTW I play every single class, every build. I'm not partial to one over the other and the sorc shields absolutely are too much at this point, so this is a welcome change.

lol no stake in? I have a vr16 of every class aswell as the rest of my slots filled with vr lvl toons, and I totally understand how a sorcs shields were OP, but that's a really bad nerf, from 20sec to 6 sec? makes shields useless, sorcs are pretty much required to have shields up 24/7 in pvp or we get on hits from stamblades, how is this fair? especially now that stam dk's and stam blades can actually do sustained dps with their new poison morphs?

that are being complained about already ^^, we got nerfed because ppl complaining about not having the dmg to kill sorcs, so now yall get buffed while we take a nerf hammer, and yet theres still complaining....this sir is my point,,,,it could be a lot worse ^^, anyways, ive lost interest, ive stated my opinion, ill bid you good day

SIr or madam^^

Junkogen

DRAGONKNIGHT

I don't understand why they didn't use ice damage. That seems better than poison. Poison damage seems more Nightblade. Then again, I don't agree with many decisions they're making.

dimensional

Junkogen wrote: »

I don't understand why they didn't use ice damage. That seems better than poison. Poison damage seems more Nightblade. Then again, I don't agree with many decisions they're making.

It's because all the elemental damage nodes are grouped with magick damage, poison and disease are with physical. It's stat economy.

Recremen

DRAGONKNIGHT

Tryxus wrote: »

willklippsteinb14_ESO wrote: »

LOL the Dragon knights don't like it when their class skills get changed ^^, welcome to the world of the sorcs, unfortunetly we get to enjoy the nerfs while you guys can do more damage, yet you still complain?

Ppl don't want to be only functional, they want to be fashionable as well

I WILL BE AS BEAUTIFUL AND TERRIBLE AS THE DAWN

Eirikir

DRAGONKNIGHT

Recremen wrote: »

Eirikir wrote: »

In real life you can have a "toxic fire" under the right conditions, such as burning methane, and guess what... it doesn't look like vomit.

Most useful comment in the thread, to be honest. Thanks! Heck, I could go for that orange OR that orange-purple, that would fit quite nicely.

I would prefer blue-purple on red. And for those who say dragons aren't real, this isn't about that for me. The puke is gross. I don't work as a nurse all day to have my time off be filled with more puke lol.

CreepySpydre

Poison for the stam builds and Fire for Magic Builds.... if my very tired mind understood this, interesting. So.... you can be a descendant of Faerun's Green Dragon. After all we do have Green Dragons blood... just saying
D&D is every where.......

Yolokin_Swagonborn

Green fire would be awesome. Just like the cold stone trebs with the blue fire. Just saying. I don't think any DK would complain about green fire.

Recremen

DRAGONKNIGHT

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Green fire would be awesome. Just like the cold stone trebs with the blue fire. Just saying. I don't think any DK would complain about green fire.

I mean, I would prefer orange, or if they reaaaaally need to change color, then purple, but at this point, combined with all the other changes to stamina abilities this round, idk if it's worth holding on to stam DK to begin with. They have no good stamina CC options, their PvE DPS looks like it's taking a hit from multiple angles, the in-class abilities are ugly as sin, it's honestly one of the worst patches for Stam DK since launch.

Junkogen

DRAGONKNIGHT

dimensional wrote: »

Junkogen wrote: »

I don't understand why they didn't use ice damage. That seems better than poison. Poison damage seems more Nightblade. Then again, I don't agree with many decisions they're making.

It's because all the elemental damage nodes are grouped with magick damage, poison and disease are with physical. It's stat economy.

Yeah, I guess. I just like the idea of a frostknight better. But you're right, with how they've grouped damage.

Refuse2GrowUp

poisonknight

Nothing wrong with a poison DoT DK for stam builds

Vipstaakki

DRAGONKNIGHT

Just leave my Dragonknight alone. I wanna complete the rest of my PvE and RP adventures as a Dragonknight in the future as well. Not as Poisonknight. Its like taking part of my characters identity away..

Yes, i would rather have my characters full identity intact than a damage increase.

Recremen

DRAGONKNIGHT

Vipstaakki wrote: »

Just leave my Dragonknight alone. I wanna complete the rest of my PvE and RP adventures as a Dragonknight in the future as well. Not as Poisonknight. Its like taking part of my characters identity away..

Yes, i would rather have my characters full identity intact than a damage increase.

I mean, you could still have your character's identity intact if the animation were the same as before, right? The poison damage itself is just a behind-the-scenes game mechanic, the animations seem to me to be what matters.

ContraTempo

More of a Noxious Knight, a Mephitic Man at Arms, a Poison Paladin, or a Venomous Viscount.

notimetocare

poisonknight

Recremen wrote: »

notimetocare wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Yusuf wrote: »

play magicka if you wanna cast fire-abilities, simple as that.

Don't change the animations, simple as that.

Changing the dmg type without changing the animation would be stupid. "I got hit with fire, why is it not mitigated by fire resistance"

Ah yes, fire resistance, because that's totally relevant in PvP. What would you do when you see a DK suddenly puking on you instead of breathing fire? Run away so you can equip your poison resist rings instead? That's a completely unrealistic scenario. Further, they could just add damage type in the death recap, or players could actually remember with their brain whether or not they're getting hit with the stam morph of an ability versus the magicka morph. I don't see anyone complaining on Live right now that they don't know when to pop Annulment or Bone Shield because they can't figure out if they're getting hit by the stam version or the magicka version.

If you can't see some kid crying to ZoS because of that deathlog, you don't understand the average player lol

notimetocare

poisonknight

AfkNinja wrote: »

They need to fix the animations though, asap.

I can almost guarantee its a placeholder. Even ZoS isn't dumb enough to reuse a bad animation from undead lol

WeerW3ir

DRAGONKNIGHT

Lol make the poison fire to green and everything is solved. Puke is too much.

lathbury

vomknights lol

Recremen

DRAGONKNIGHT

notimetocare wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

notimetocare wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Yusuf wrote: »

play magicka if you wanna cast fire-abilities, simple as that.

Don't change the animations, simple as that.

Changing the dmg type without changing the animation would be stupid. "I got hit with fire, why is it not mitigated by fire resistance"

Ah yes, fire resistance, because that's totally relevant in PvP. What would you do when you see a DK suddenly puking on you instead of breathing fire? Run away so you can equip your poison resist rings instead? That's a completely unrealistic scenario. Further, they could just add damage type in the death recap, or players could actually remember with their brain whether or not they're getting hit with the stam morph of an ability versus the magicka morph. I don't see anyone complaining on Live right now that they don't know when to pop Annulment or Bone Shield because they can't figure out if they're getting hit by the stam version or the magicka version.

If you can't see some kid crying to ZoS because of that deathlog, you don't understand the average player lol

I think you don't give the average player enough credit. :-p We don't have people crying that they can't tell the difference between the Stamina and the Magicka morphs right now (I mean literally nobody, I have searched high and low), I don't know why not being able to tell the damage type would suddenly cause an increase. I'm sure there are several abilities with a similarly obfuscated damage type already.

Niaver

poisonknight

Just fix animations, but i like the idea.

x5ofspadez

I can only laugh.

So much hate for ZOS not buffing stamina builds. Finally they get buffed real nice, and people are complaining. Sometimes you just cant win.

The only group who should be really pissy right now is Sorcs. RIP

rotaugen454

My Dragonknight tank is really happy about this update overall. My Sorcer is fine with going back to crafting until I figure out the new meta.

Sord

poisonknight

They should just make all the flames for the poison DK be green flames. That would be cool looking imho. It would still be distinct yet have the same flare as the fire breathing DK plus it shouldn't be that hard to redo since it is just a color adjustment.
posted this before I read all the comments and noticed other people said this as well.