IT'S DRAGONKNIGHT not poisonknight @ZOS
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✭✭DRAGONKNIGHTI voted against because it doesn't make sense, NB should get the poison.
What I wonder is how the Dunmer DK players feel about this?0 -
Birdovic✭✭✭✭✭DRAGONKNIGHTOmg did vote wrong...
So no, Poison DK is absolutely ok for me.
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✭✭✭poisonknightWould that be black dragon knight or green?
Too long since d&d.
@STEVIL
Black Dragons do acid damage
Green Dragons had poison
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Van_0S✭✭✭✭✭poisonknightThe Green dragon- The Venom!
Edit:
Dragon doesn't mean fire breathing dragon. It means a large lizard that can fly and destroy cities, towns,etc with its breath.
So, dragon knight can use any form of element that is light,dark,etc. Its similar to dragon born in skyrim.
Edited by Van_0S on April 26, 2016 3:06PM0 -
MaxTM✭✭✭DRAGONKNIGHTGenerally i agree with OP...
I mean you need to have quite the imagination to get from "fire... firedragon... Dragonknight... knight..." to "hmm... POISON!"
Technically i think that this is an opportunity for StamDK to shine even more than he does already but im not pleased with the Change to poison cause i prefer the fire too0 -
EsoRecon✭✭✭✭✭poisonknightGeorgeBlack wrote: »NO MATE just no
It's DRAGONKNIGHT not poisonknight. You are doing a major change to my class, one of your only 4 classes. Did you asked your community before you went ahead with spending energy on this for one DLC? I LIKE FIRE not poison. Poison is a cowards weapon.
I don't care how competitive poisonknight will be with those characteristics and I don't care how much WORSE would DRAGONKNIGHT remain without them, but I'll tell you this decision of yours will have an impact this time. We still got till DB launch. Get the communities feedback.
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Abeille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If you think it must be fire "because dragons", play Skyrim again.Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭poisonknightIf you think it must be fire "because dragons", play Skyrim again.
Fun fact: the dragons in Skyrim aren't dragons
Normally, a dragon has 4 legs and wings on its back. Skyrim dragons are wyverns technically"Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
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Somewhat true but Fun fact: Skyrim isn't set on Earth so earthly definitions don't apply...those "wyverns" are dragons in Nirn
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✭✭✭✭✭DRAGONKNIGHTThere are venom based dragons in Elder Scrolls lore i believe
There are none, no. The poison damage type is hardly a concern, though, it's actually a nice buff to stam DK. The killer is the new animations, in which you puke all over your opponent or run what looks like a greasy hand across their face. It is totally out of line with traditional DK aesthetics.Men'Do PC NA AD Khajiit
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That's how it is in our world, not in Tamriel. They are called Dragons despite having two legs only Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.1 -
Svalinn✭✭✭GeorgeBlack wrote: »NO MATE just no
It's DRAGONKNIGHT not poisonknight. You are doing a major change to my class, one of your only 4 classes. Did you asked your community before you went ahead with spending energy on this for one DLC? I LIKE FIRE not poison. Poison is a cowards weapon.
Anyway,, even if i don't agree entirely with the OP since green dragons and poison dragons exist.. i want to use this tread to point out the limits that ZOS did put on themselves and the players deciding to switch the "usual" Elder Scroll Skill System" with this very "bland" class system.
If we had an usual ES system then every player could just create the class they wanted, in this case they'd probably mix:
- heavy armor
- shield
- 1h weapons / 2h weapons
- destruction magic fire
just an example of course... while other people could just make poison builds and wathever.
This would even encourage the creation of more "hybrid" builds mixing weapons and magick..
As the class system is now well.. people are forced to pick fire or forced to pick poison... hell even if you train in magic you don't really get to pick different kinds of magick.. everything relates either to the weapon you hold or you're lightning.
ANd well.. when you force people to take a skill in a "game serie" (after all ESO is part of the Elder Scroll serie) that's renewed all around the world for giving freedom to players... posts like this are the result0 -
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✭✭Whatever. Just don't be a retardknight.Profanity filter is a crime against the freedom of speech. Also gags.1 -
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I asked about poison dragons in Skyrim before, nobody answered. Care to share some insight?If you think it must be fire "because dragons", play Skyrim again.
(I'd pay for a frost-based class, though)
Fun fact: dragons aren't real, folklore isn't set in stone, there isn't one unquestionable definition of a dragon. In my opinion wyverns are a subtype of dragons, so I have no problem with Skyrim.Edited by Rosveen on April 26, 2016 3:41PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Trying to figure out why so many people assume that because of the name 'Dragonknight' that it means the class has to be associated with DRAGONS... instead of accepting that it is just a name for people with specialized skills... not meaning they are in any way associated with actual dragons.CP: 2078 ** ESO+ 2025 Content Pass ** ~~ ***** Strictly a solo PvE quester *****
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Sure! And I would also pay for a frost-based class to be honest.
Actually, it is more like "they can do things that poisons do in the game", which is the Drain Vitality shout that they can use. At least two kinds of dragons can do that, off the top of my head, the Revered Dragon and Durnehviir the undead dragon.
Also, just out of curiosity since people mentioned the difference between dragons and wyverns, Peryite is depicted as a dragon (an actual dragon, in our sense of the word, with four legs and a pair of wings), though then disease damage would make more sense than poison. But Peryite is the absolute worst Daedric Prince, like objectively the worst, like the "being-picked-last-on-the-Daedric-dodgeball-games" worst, so everybody ignores that.Edited by Abeille on April 26, 2016 4:00PMJust so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.0 -
Recremen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭DRAGONKNIGHTTrying to figure out why so many people assume that because of the name 'Dragonknight' that it means the class has to be associated with DRAGONS... instead of accepting that it is just a name for people with specialized skills... not meaning they are in any way associated with actual dragons.
It might have to do with this lorebook where dragonknights are found chanting "We are dragon knights, we are dragons".
Excerpt:
We are dragon knights. We are dragons.
If you attack us, you will meet talons.
If you strike us, you will eat spikes.
If you injure us, our wounds will close.
If you anger us, you will burn.
If you run from us, we will pounce upon you.
You cannot win. We cannot lose.
We are dragon knights. We are dragons.Men'Do PC NA AD Khajiit
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✭✭✭✭✭I didn't not roll a Khajiit DK last night. Haha!
"Softkitty Poisonkitty"
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Sure! And I would also pay for a frost-based class to be honest.
Actually, it is more like "they can do things that poisons do in the game", which is the Drain Vitality shout that they can use. At least two kinds of dragons can do that, off the top of my head, the Revered Dragon and Durnehviir the undead dragon.
Also, just out of curiosity since people mentioned the difference between dragons and wyverns, Peryite is depicted as a dragon (an actual dragon, in our sense of the word, with four legs and a pair of wings), though then disease damage would make more sense than poison. But Peryite is the absolute worst Daedric Prince, like objectively the worst, like the "being-picked-last-on-the-Daedric-dodgeball-games" worst, so everybody ignores that.
Well technically, DK doing Poison and NB doing Disease fits a bit better than the other way around:
- Certain dragons have the ability to not only breathe fire but spit poison/attack with poison spines as well. Lorewise it fits and gamewise it fits too considering the DK is DoT-based. Poison is a DoT, Disease isn't
- NB and Assassins usually catch ppl off-guard, meaning their victims can't react as fast as possible. With Disease reducing the effectiveness of healing, it's the best fit for a NB"Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
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Sure! And I would also pay for a frost-based class to be honest.
Actually, it is more like "they can do things that poisons do in the game", which is the Drain Vitality shout that they can use. At least two kinds of dragons can do that, off the top of my head, the Revered Dragon and Durnehviir the undead dragon.
Also, just out of curiosity since people mentioned the difference between dragons and wyverns, Peryite is depicted as a dragon (an actual dragon, in our sense of the word, with four legs and a pair of wings), though then disease damage would make more sense than poison. But Peryite is the absolute worst Daedric Prince, like objectively the worst, like the "being-picked-last-on-the-Daedric-dodgeball-games" worst, so everybody ignores that.
Well technically, DK doing Poison and NB doing Disease fits a bit better than the other way around:
- Certain dragons have the ability to not only breathe fire but spit poison/attack with poison spines as well. Lorewise it fits and gamewise it fits too considering the DK is DoT-based. Poison is a DoT, Disease isn't
- NB and Assassins usually catch ppl off-guard, meaning their victims can't react as fast as possible. With Disease reducing the effectiveness of healing, it's the best fit for a NB
Yeah it makes sense, I was just pointing out Peryite's depiction as a dragon despite him being the "Daedric Lord of Pestilence" (colds and sore feet or something).Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.0 -
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Sure! And I would also pay for a frost-based class to be honest.
Actually, it is more like "they can do things that poisons do in the game", which is the Drain Vitality shout that they can use. At least two kinds of dragons can do that, off the top of my head, the Revered Dragon and Durnehviir the undead dragon.
Also, just out of curiosity since people mentioned the difference between dragons and wyverns, Peryite is depicted as a dragon (an actual dragon, in our sense of the word, with four legs and a pair of wings), though then disease damage would make more sense than poison. But Peryite is the absolute worst Daedric Prince, like objectively the worst, like the "being-picked-last-on-the-Daedric-dodgeball-games" worst, so everybody ignores that.
Well technically, DK doing Poison and NB doing Disease fits a bit better than the other way around:
- Certain dragons have the ability to not only breathe fire but spit poison/attack with poison spines as well. Lorewise it fits and gamewise it fits too considering the DK is DoT-based. Poison is a DoT, Disease isn't
- NB and Assassins usually catch ppl off-guard, meaning their victims can't react as fast as possible. With Disease reducing the effectiveness of healing, it's the best fit for a NB
Yeah it makes sense, I was just pointing out Peryite's depiction as a dragon despite him being the "Daedric Lord of Pestilence" (colds and sore feet or something).
The plague (think I made a quick mention of him here too) "Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
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Solid_Metal✭✭✭✭poisonknighteh...whats the point?, you want to be dragonknight, go ahead with DK mag, poisonknight for DK stam, the also the poison morph is rteally beneficial for stamina build, rather than fire that scale with magicka CP
personally as a die hard DK fan, i use both mag and stam, this is really awesome change, best of both world
and also like other people mention, theres also dragon that breath poison, at least fictionally on other game lore/ IRL myth, and thats ends it, theres no need for further argument lolEdited by Solid_Metal on April 26, 2016 4:13PM"i will walk through the fog, as i welcome death"0 -
poisonknightget over it, its now magica dragon knight and stamina poison knight. you have a better idea how to change the class to scale with physical cp system? lets hear it. this is great news for stamina builds. if you are so obsessed with making it what you think it needs to be, guess you gonna need to be magia dk0
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I'm dying an actual death over here due to the animation change. Keep the poison damage, that's dandy, but Burning Breath and Unstable Flame look fine as they are on Live, and nobody is complaining that they can't tell when a Stam DK is attacking them! Pretty plox with infinite moonsugar, just don't make me be gross. ;_;
Completely agree with this. As other have stated, the poison damage is a good thing in conjunction with champion points, but there is no reason to make the animation so horrendous. They could just make it green flames if they really want a change.
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poisonknightDaveMoeDee wrote: »Feisty_Khajiit128 wrote: »I think this is a really cool concept, but the dunmer passives need to be changed to increase poison damage to accommodatel the changes.
Does annoy me a bit since I created a Dunmer DK alt a month and a half ago and have bought all the bag upgrades and leveled the horse to like 45 more bag slots. She is like level 27 right now and I usually level her when my enlightenment is depleted. Would be lame to have to reroll to just be the generic Altmer or Breton magicka using DK.
I suppose increasing the value of poison could make Argonians great if they get a poison damage buff.
whats the problem? are you not doing a magica build with dunmer dk? magic wont be affected you obviously choose the fire morphs so your cp buffs the damage0 -
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Sure! And I would also pay for a frost-based class to be honest.
Actually, it is more like "they can do things that poisons do in the game", which is the Drain Vitality shout that they can use. At least two kinds of dragons can do that, off the top of my head, the Revered Dragon and Durnehviir the undead dragon.
Also, just out of curiosity since people mentioned the difference between dragons and wyverns, Peryite is depicted as a dragon (an actual dragon, in our sense of the word, with four legs and a pair of wings), though then disease damage would make more sense than poison. But Peryite is the absolute worst Daedric Prince, like objectively the worst, like the "being-picked-last-on-the-Daedric-dodgeball-games" worst, so everybody ignores that.
Well technically, DK doing Poison and NB doing Disease fits a bit better than the other way around:
- Certain dragons have the ability to not only breathe fire but spit poison/attack with poison spines as well. Lorewise it fits and gamewise it fits too considering the DK is DoT-based. Poison is a DoT, Disease isn't
- NB and Assassins usually catch ppl off-guard, meaning their victims can't react as fast as possible. With Disease reducing the effectiveness of healing, it's the best fit for a NB
Yeah it makes sense, I was just pointing out Peryite's depiction as a dragon despite him being the "Daedric Lord of Pestilence" (colds and sore feet or something).
The plague (think I made a quick mention of him here too)
I do not like Peryite very much (if you didn't notice) :P
Weirdly enough, none of the plagues that actually decimated a significant chunk of the population were attributed to Peryite.Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.0 -
Trikfut✭✭poisonknightA lot of dragons in many dragon myths had poison as well or only poison or fire."Razum-dar is just a simple Khajiit. He seeks the best for all the people of Tamriel. Also, a saddle that won't pinch the tail. One day..." - Razum-dar0
