IT'S DRAGONKNIGHT not poisonknight @ZOS

STEVIL

poisonknight

i dont plan to use one of my four new slots for a DK. i tossed 2 vet level Dk a while back.

But who knows, things can change.

Still pondering the all khajit quartet to join my khajit stan vamp nb.

Hmmmm.... maybe all vamp khajit pride nb-stam, nb-mag, sorc-sta, temp-sta

Nah gotta throw in a second argonian somewhere.

Lots to ponder.

Ampnode

poisonknight

It's to balance magicka vs. stamina. Whether you like it or not, it's a balance change that was needed. If you like to breathe fire, feel free to switch magicka. If not, then get used to the brotherhood of SNAKEKNIGHTS.

Vangy

poisonknight

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

NO MATE just no
It's DRAGONKNIGHT not poisonknight. You are doing a major change to my class, one of your only 4 classes. Did you asked your community before you went ahead with spending energy on this for one DLC? I LIKE FIRE not poison. Poison is a cowards weapon.
I don't care how competitive poisonknight will be with those characteristics and I don't care how much WORSE would DRAGONKNIGHT remain without them, but I'll tell you this decision of yours will have an impact this time. We still got till DB launch. Get the communities feedback.

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

NO MATE just no
It's DRAGONKNIGHT not poisonknight. You are doing a major change to my class, one of your only 4 classes. Did you asked your community before you went ahead with spending energy on this for one DLC? I LIKE FIRE not poison. Poison is a cowards weapon.
I don't care how competitive poisonknight will be with those characteristics and I don't care how much WORSE would DRAGONKNIGHT remain without them, but I'll tell you this decision of yours will have an impact this time. We still got till DB launch. Get the communities feedback.

And I dont care about what you have to say? See how that dosent really apply to an argument for not having poison morphs?

Literally no downside to this. Even dumner DKs will get stronger with this change. 25% from mighty >> 6-7% from racial passive. The only thing is some people arent happy with the current animations. That can always be changed. How it works tho, can't be compromised especially with every other class double dipping in CP via elemental expert and tham. No reason to not allow DKs to double dip too.

Jade1986

DRAGONKNIGHT

I hate the change for one reason. I chose a dark elf for my stamknight for the extra flame damage and now this change completely makes my choice obsolete. I hope we have race changes with this update, because I am not happy about this. They did exactly what I feared they would start doing this update, balancing the game AROUND CPs instead of balancing CPs around the base game. Absolute nonsense.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

Mr.Hmm wrote: »

There are poison dragons too...

Dragon-knight does not necessary mean Fire dmg. Just because it has Dragon in front of the name it doesnt necessary mean its Fire based dmg

There are:

Fire Dragons
Frost Dragons
Poison Dragons
Air Dragons
Death Dragons
Earth Dragons

There might be more I dont know, but that's it.

Well if you consult the Bulbapedia there are 18+ types of dragons. ZOS could have done way worse than poison.



FairyKnight anyone?

Vangy

poisonknight

laced wrote: »

I hate the change for one reason. I chose a dark elf for my stamknight for the extra flame damage and now this change completely makes my choice obsolete. I hope we have race changes with this update, because I am not happy about this. They did exactly what I feared they would start doing this update, balancing the game AROUND CPs instead of balancing CPs around the base game. Absolute nonsense.

@laced
I dont get it. So you are turning down a 25% damage increase in favor of your 7% damage increase just because you are a dunmer?? Isnt 25% greater than 7%? Wont this change buff your damage overall? Or am I mistaking something?

UltimaJoe777

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Mr.Hmm wrote: »

There are poison dragons too...

Dragon-knight does not necessary mean Fire dmg. Just because it has Dragon in front of the name it doesnt necessary mean its Fire based dmg

There are:

Fire Dragons
Frost Dragons
Poison Dragons
Air Dragons
Death Dragons
Earth Dragons

There might be more I dont know, but that's it.

Well if you consult the Bulbapedia there are 18+ types of dragons. ZOS could have done way worse than poison.



FairyKnight anyone?

I commend you for knowing so little about Pokemon. And yet, I can't help but facepalm lol

Vangy

poisonknight

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Mr.Hmm wrote: »

There are poison dragons too...

Dragon-knight does not necessary mean Fire dmg. Just because it has Dragon in front of the name it doesnt necessary mean its Fire based dmg

There are:

Fire Dragons
Frost Dragons
Poison Dragons
Air Dragons
Death Dragons
Earth Dragons

There might be more I dont know, but that's it.

Well if you consult the Bulbapedia there are 18+ types of dragons. ZOS could have done way worse than poison.



FairyKnight anyone?

I commend you for knowing so little about Pokemon. And yet, I can't help but facepalm lol

I want my dk to be the ???? type LOL.

UltimaJoe777

Vangy wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Mr.Hmm wrote: »

There are poison dragons too...

Dragon-knight does not necessary mean Fire dmg. Just because it has Dragon in front of the name it doesnt necessary mean its Fire based dmg

There are:

Fire Dragons
Frost Dragons
Poison Dragons
Air Dragons
Death Dragons
Earth Dragons

There might be more I dont know, but that's it.

Well if you consult the Bulbapedia there are 18+ types of dragons. ZOS could have done way worse than poison.



FairyKnight anyone?

I commend you for knowing so little about Pokemon. And yet, I can't help but facepalm lol

I want my dk to be the ???? type LOL.

Then you must seek out the great glitch, missingno!

Recremen

DRAGONKNIGHT

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Mr.Hmm wrote: »

There are poison dragons too...

Dragon-knight does not necessary mean Fire dmg. Just because it has Dragon in front of the name it doesnt necessary mean its Fire based dmg

There are:

Fire Dragons
Frost Dragons
Poison Dragons
Air Dragons
Death Dragons
Earth Dragons

There might be more I dont know, but that's it.

Well if you consult the Bulbapedia there are 18+ types of dragons. ZOS could have done way worse than poison.



FairyKnight anyone?

Incorrect!! Dragon is one of the 18 types, but it is not itself paired with all 18, and in fact could only be paired with 17 of the other 18 types. There are currently no Dragon/Fighting, Dragon/Bug, or Dragon/Normal types, so that's only 14/17! As for why it could only be 17... you can't have a Dragon/Dragon type. That would be...



And we can't be having any of that!!

nordsavage

You are wrong on this OP. Dragons have in many instances across many lines of fiction have included venom, poison and disease. In addition if you are a magicka user this does not effect you at all if you are stam user be quiet and enjoy the CP passives.

UltimaJoe777

Recremen wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Mr.Hmm wrote: »

There are poison dragons too...

Dragon-knight does not necessary mean Fire dmg. Just because it has Dragon in front of the name it doesnt necessary mean its Fire based dmg

There are:

Fire Dragons
Frost Dragons
Poison Dragons
Air Dragons
Death Dragons
Earth Dragons

There might be more I dont know, but that's it.

Well if you consult the Bulbapedia there are 18+ types of dragons. ZOS could have done way worse than poison.



FairyKnight anyone?

Incorrect!! Dragon is one of the 18 types, but it is not itself paired with all 18, and in fact could only be-

Jade1986

DRAGONKNIGHT

Vangy wrote: »

laced wrote: »

I hate the change for one reason. I chose a dark elf for my stamknight for the extra flame damage and now this change completely makes my choice obsolete. I hope we have race changes with this update, because I am not happy about this. They did exactly what I feared they would start doing this update, balancing the game AROUND CPs instead of balancing CPs around the base game. Absolute nonsense.

@laced
I dont get it. So you are turning down a 25% damage increase in favor of your 7% damage increase just because you are a dunmer?? Isnt 25% greater than 7%? Wont this change buff your damage overall? Or am I mistaking something?

25% damage increase if you play the CP pvp campaigns, not if you play the non cp campaigns. For us, the race choices are irrelevant now, because not a single race benefits from poison damage. CP system should compliment the base game , not the other way around.

Rosveen

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Mr.Hmm wrote: »

There are poison dragons too...

Dragon-knight does not necessary mean Fire dmg. Just because it has Dragon in front of the name it doesnt necessary mean its Fire based dmg

There are:

Fire Dragons
Frost Dragons
Poison Dragons
Air Dragons
Death Dragons
Earth Dragons

There might be more I dont know, but that's it.

Well if you consult the Bulbapedia there are 18+ types of dragons. ZOS could have done way worse than poison.



FairyKnight anyone?

The Pokemon fan in me is cringing.

I don't really mind poison attack all that much, but I think completely changing the elemental focus of a class two years after launch looks a little flaky. There's no thematic reason to do it right now, they're just bending the core game to fit a new system they didn't know how to balance without it. It is still, even now, a result of their initial lack of vision (or misguided vision). I know it's going to benefit me damage-wise, but I can't help but feel uncomfortable knowing that my little dragon is going to turn into a toxic lizard. That not what I imagined for her when I created her two years ago.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

Rosveen wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Mr.Hmm wrote: »

There are poison dragons too...

Dragon-knight does not necessary mean Fire dmg. Just because it has Dragon in front of the name it doesnt necessary mean its Fire based dmg

There are:

Fire Dragons
Frost Dragons
Poison Dragons
Air Dragons
Death Dragons
Earth Dragons

There might be more I dont know, but that's it.

Well if you consult the Bulbapedia there are 18+ types of dragons. ZOS could have done way worse than poison.



FairyKnight anyone?

The Pokemon fan in me is cringing.

I don't really mind poison attack all that much, but I think completely changing the elemental focus of a class two years after launch looks a little flaky. There's no thematic reason to do it right now, they're just bending the core game to fit a new system they didn't know how to balance without it. It is still, even now, a result of their initial lack of vision (or misguided vision). I know it's going to benefit me damage-wise, but I can't help to feel uncomfortable knowing that my little dragon is going to turn into a toxic lizard. That not what I imagined for her when I created her two years ago.

plus it doesn't help that they recycled the zombie puke animation for the poison breath.

Vangy

poisonknight

laced wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

laced wrote: »

I hate the change for one reason. I chose a dark elf for my stamknight for the extra flame damage and now this change completely makes my choice obsolete. I hope we have race changes with this update, because I am not happy about this. They did exactly what I feared they would start doing this update, balancing the game AROUND CPs instead of balancing CPs around the base game. Absolute nonsense.

@laced
I dont get it. So you are turning down a 25% damage increase in favor of your 7% damage increase just because you are a dunmer?? Isnt 25% greater than 7%? Wont this change buff your damage overall? Or am I mistaking something?

25% damage increase if you play the CP pvp campaigns, not if you play the non cp campaigns. For us, the race choices are irrelevant now, because not a single race benefits from poison damage. CP system should compliment the base game , not the other way around.

AHhhh. That makes sense... There's no way around this without punishing the other 90% of the DKs who run stamina though... Also I remember bosmer having something to do with poison. Maybe poison resist or something. So im guessing they get a minor buff against DKs with this change lol.

Recremen

DRAGONKNIGHT

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Rosveen wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Mr.Hmm wrote: »

There are poison dragons too...

Dragon-knight does not necessary mean Fire dmg. Just because it has Dragon in front of the name it doesnt necessary mean its Fire based dmg

There are:

Fire Dragons
Frost Dragons
Poison Dragons
Air Dragons
Death Dragons
Earth Dragons

There might be more I dont know, but that's it.

Well if you consult the Bulbapedia there are 18+ types of dragons. ZOS could have done way worse than poison.



FairyKnight anyone?

The Pokemon fan in me is cringing.

I don't really mind poison attack all that much, but I think completely changing the elemental focus of a class two years after launch looks a little flaky. There's no thematic reason to do it right now, they're just bending the core game to fit a new system they didn't know how to balance without it. It is still, even now, a result of their initial lack of vision (or misguided vision). I know it's going to benefit me damage-wise, but I can't help to feel uncomfortable knowing that my little dragon is going to turn into a toxic lizard. That not what I imagined for her when I created her two years ago.

plus it doesn't help that they recycled the zombie puke animation for the poison breath.

I'm dying an actual death over here due to the animation change. Keep the poison damage, that's dandy, but Burning Breath and Unstable Flame look fine as they are on Live, and nobody is complaining that they can't tell when a Stam DK is attacking them! Pretty plox with infinite moonsugar, just don't make me be gross. ;_;

Acrolas

STEVIL wrote: »

Would that be black dragon knight or green?
Too long since d&d.

Still red. You have to think of it like a synergy instead of an either/or...

KochDerDamonen

I wish templars would get this treatment, either in the sense of bringing disease to stam morphs and/or frost to the magicka versions. it's pretty snooze how much generic "magic" and "physical" damage type there is in the class spells. I think having nightblades use these is plenty enough. Sorcerer is pretty dope with the lightning, and dk is even cooler now that they have fire and poison!

Rosveen

Recremen wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Rosveen wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Mr.Hmm wrote: »

There are poison dragons too...

Dragon-knight does not necessary mean Fire dmg. Just because it has Dragon in front of the name it doesnt necessary mean its Fire based dmg

There are:

Fire Dragons
Frost Dragons
Poison Dragons
Air Dragons
Death Dragons
Earth Dragons

There might be more I dont know, but that's it.

Well if you consult the Bulbapedia there are 18+ types of dragons. ZOS could have done way worse than poison.



FairyKnight anyone?

The Pokemon fan in me is cringing.

I don't really mind poison attack all that much, but I think completely changing the elemental focus of a class two years after launch looks a little flaky. There's no thematic reason to do it right now, they're just bending the core game to fit a new system they didn't know how to balance without it. It is still, even now, a result of their initial lack of vision (or misguided vision). I know it's going to benefit me damage-wise, but I can't help to feel uncomfortable knowing that my little dragon is going to turn into a toxic lizard. That not what I imagined for her when I created her two years ago.

plus it doesn't help that they recycled the zombie puke animation for the poison breath.

I'm dying an actual death over here due to the animation change. Keep the poison damage, that's dandy, but Burning Breath and Unstable Flame look fine as they are on Live, and nobody is complaining that they can't tell when a Stam DK is attacking them! Pretty plox with infinite moonsugar, just don't make me be gross. ;_;

I'm complaining. *raises hand* If it's poison now, it should look like poison, not pretend to be something else. That said, all they needed to do was to modify their existing animation a little and give us a green cloud of toxic fumes.

Woeler

The animations look horrible I must say. Just plain ridiculous. Could also just have made the fire green instead of... well this crap.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

poisonknight

Recremen wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

If you want to keep you Dummer Dragon Knight just go magic what kind of damage was yours stamina build doing with flames mages still have magic and elemental damage.

Just cause you don't like doesn't mean stamina builds should suffer.

Poison damage is great for the CP synergies, but why change the animations just because the damage type is different? Why have disgusting vomit instead of fire? It's not like your opponent is going to react any differently to the magicka morph versus the stamina morph. Especially now that all the shield types block all damage instead of just damage of a certain type. Before, I might understand because Annulment would only block Magicka damage and Bone Shield would only block Stamina damage, but even before the Stamina users didn't have to suffer through gross animations and opponents would have to take their best guess. I'm fine with all of these changes except the revolting new animations.

As stated its to know what your are up against I CC mages more then tanks and Stamina DPS cause mages have less stamina. Where as a stamina build would break heavy attack and stay in the fight.

The animations may not be the best looking to you but that's how disease and poison damage looks it's you can't have physical flames. Stamina class powers were an after thought but this is how it should have been.

Recremen wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

I think we need someone to put up a video or some screenshots of the new animations.

The reason they couldnt leave the animations the same is because you need to be able to identify what build and what abilities your opponent is using at a glance in pvp.

That's literally already the case in PvP, the stamina morphs on Live look like fire and nobody is having an issue. That's one of the reasons I'm so perturbed by this.

That's not a good thing tho not only can't you tell what type of player you're fighting but they are fighting at a huge disadvantage by damaging with an unoptimized damage type.

Mettaricana

poisonknight

I wanna be a poison knight sounds sick as hell with the toxin doctor costume. Add a dw or two hander build with poison glyphs weapons or new nirnhoned we dmg increase stack on poisons which may stack with cp buffs and toss on poison dk skills become walking cesspool of doom

strikeback1247

poisonknight

My wood elf dk is gonna be soooo badass! My only question is: what is ZoS going to do about all the new toxic players? :^)

Tankqull

Lynx7386 wrote: »

Also, you guys arent looking at the stat improvements here.

As a stamina DK, your champion points boost physical, poison, and disease damage. Your measly 7% damage increase to fire as a dunmer wasnt helping all that much. Now you have a potential 20-25% more damage on those abilities via champion points, which will drastically outweigh your racial choice.

only in the short to medium run, with enough CP to cap fire and melee dmg the 7% additional racial dmg are gone in the med-/longrun...

Tryxus

poisonknight

Dragons aren't just fire breathers, some breathe frost, others have poisonous spines,...

It's nice to have a bit of variety

lathbury

arent top stam dk's all ready pulling 40k plus sustained dps in pve? seems with these changes plus scorched earth changes they will be closer to 50k now

GeorgeBlack

DRAGONKNIGHT

It's impressive how much people focus on numbers, disregarding any art concept or any identity traits.

The desperate desire for power increase shows inner weakness.

Is that all you care about? How much more you will get from poison? How much more you may lose from fire?

I picked Imperial cause I liked the helmet. I picked dragonknight because I liked the class. I play with dualswords and heavy armor cause I like the looks. I am Stamina because I am a warrior.
Yet again my stamina will become poison while their magika remains fire... damn

Some of you argued about poison dragons and rainbow dragons. I liked those arguments more than those brought forward by weak in heart people, mentioning CP and stats, telling me that I don't know what I am talking about. Did you even noticed when I said I don't care about the stats?

Vote. Show @Zos what you want for Dragonknights. I vote dragonknight. Your arguments about stats don't talk to me at all. I don't need stats.

lathbury

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

It's impressive how much people focus on numbers, disregarding any art concept or any identity traits.

The desperate desire for power increase shows inner weakness.

Is that all you care about? How much more you will get from poison? How much more you may lose from fire?

I picked Imperial cause I liked the helmet. I picked dragonknight because I liked the class. I play with dualswords and heavy armor cause I like the looks. I am Stamina because I am a warrior.
Yet again my stamina will become poison while their magika remains fire... damn

Some of you argued about poison dragons and rainbow dragons. I liked those arguments more than those brought forward by weak in heart people, mentioning CP and stats, telling me that I don't know what I am talking about. Did you even noticed when I said I don't care about the stats?

Vote. Show @Zos what you want for Dragonknights. I vote dragonknight. Your arguments about stats don't talk to me at all. I don't need stats.

if you dont care about stats use the other morphs problem solved

LorDrek

poisonknight

3 poison morps for stamina, nice, i dont understand this hate. Stamina builds need same as magicka. DB changed very good for stamina builds.