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Fasalla's Guile
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Cinbri✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »...it looks good on paper but when i met it in duel i didn't have any problem to counter it with my magicka templar.....
Mate, come on now. Seriously.
You're a magicka Templar. You have Purify and BoL. You don't really use DoTs in PvP either.
If you need a heal you just Purify the Fasalla and/or Reverb Bash, heal your self for a 12k BoL crit, go back on the attack. Of course it's not a problem for you.
Magicka DoT builds like DKs, or stamina builds that have no purge, will get completely annihilated by stam builds that run this combo.
I tested it also in duel vs my friend Legendary Omar, he is magicka dk and he had zero problems to counter it at lest in duel. I am not dk, but if my friend dk saying that he didn't even noticed healing debuff, i believe him. And for group play - well, we have Vicious set that hit hard, but it is light armor, heavy armor magicka users don't have any benefits from new sets and Wrobel said they won't have it till Update 10, so again, only suggestion i see for it - remove jewel part to give tanks at least something instead of just laughing at them.Edited by Cinbri on February 18, 2016 11:49AM1 -
Maulkin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I tested it also in duel vs my friend Legendary Omar, he is magicka dk and he had zero problems to counter it at lest in duel. I am not dk, but if my friend dk saying that he didn't even noticed healing debuff, i believe him
Was he running Efficient Purge by any chance?
I find it hard to believe a DK would not feel it, but I trust what you say. If he was running Razor Armor (and morphs) that would mean the set is proc'ing not only when he attacks you, but also when you attack him with melee attacks like jabs. Which is also something the DK can't control like DoTs. So it should be up 100% of the time.
Also like I said, with you being a magicka build, you weren't stacking it with Reverb Bash. I'd love to see what Omar thinks going against a stam DK with Fasalla and Reverb in a 500 CP campaign.
The problem for me is not the heal cut of Fasalla alone. It's the fact it's outside the Major/Minor system which makes it stackable with everything else.EU | PC | AD0 -
Cinbri✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »I tested it also in duel vs my friend Legendary Omar, he is magicka dk and he had zero problems to counter it at lest in duel. I am not dk, but if my friend dk saying that he didn't even noticed healing debuff, i believe him
Was he running Efficient Purge by any chance?
I find it hard to believe a DK would not feel it, but I trust what you say. If he was running Razor Armor (and morphs) that would mean the set is proc'ing not only when he attacks you, but also when you attack him with melee attacks like jabs. Which is also something the DK can't control like DoTs. So it should be up 100% of the time.
Also like I said, with you being a magicka build, you weren't stacking it with Reverb Bash. I'd love to see what Omar thinks going against a stam DK with Fasalla and Reverb in a 500 CP campaign.
The problem for me is not the heal cut of Fasalla alone. It's the fact it's outside the Major/Minor system which makes it stackable with everything else.
No, he didn't use Purge, but set not proccing on damage shields(or wasn't at least before 2.3.2 patch), so if you casted or recastred damage shield(harness magicka for example) 2sec just before heal, debuff will end and you will be healed for full duration like Burning Embers for example and that is also why this set bad in duel vs magicka users (and maybe bad vs Barrier spamming blobs) at least - most of them apply Healing Ward+Harness sometimes on low hp and while it on them they are immune to this set and can heal for full numbers; stamina users - well at least they may stop to spam Caltrops on left and right
. And sadly new campaign has disabled CP system, it is impossible to test lot of builds. Why ZOS did it 
Edited by Cinbri on February 18, 2016 12:24PM0 -
kkampaseb17_ESO✭✭✭mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »I tested it also in duel vs my friend Legendary Omar, he is magicka dk and he had zero problems to counter it at lest in duel. I am not dk, but if my friend dk saying that he didn't even noticed healing debuff, i believe him
Was he running Efficient Purge by any chance?
I find it hard to believe a DK would not feel it, but I trust what you say. If he was running Razor Armor (and morphs) that would mean the set is proc'ing not only when he attacks you, but also when you attack him with melee attacks like jabs. Which is also something the DK can't control like DoTs. So it should be up 100% of the time.
Also like I said, with you being a magicka build, you weren't stacking it with Reverb Bash. I'd love to see what Omar thinks going against a stam DK with Fasalla and Reverb in a 500 CP campaign.
The problem for me is not the heal cut of Fasalla alone. It's the fact it's outside the Major/Minor system which makes it stackable with everything else.
No, he didn't use Purge, but set not proccing on damage shields(or wasn't at least before 2.3.2 patch), so if you casted or recastred damage shield(harness magicka for example) 2sec just before heal, debuff will end and you will be healed for full duration like Burning Embers for example and that is also why this set bad in duel vs magicka users (and maybe bad vs Barrier spamming blobs) at least - most of them apply Healing Ward+Harness sometimes on low hp and while it on them they are immune to this set and can heal for full numbers; stamina users - well at least they may stop to spam Caltrops on left and right . And sadly new campaign has disabled CP system, it is impossible to test lot of builds. Why ZOS did it
This is such a good strategy for stamina characters....(not only DKs play stamina...just so you know)Edited by kkampaseb17_ESO on February 18, 2016 1:48PM0 -
DeanTheCat✭✭✭✭✭mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »I tested it also in duel vs my friend Legendary Omar, he is magicka dk and he had zero problems to counter it at lest in duel. I am not dk, but if my friend dk saying that he didn't even noticed healing debuff, i believe him
Was he running Efficient Purge by any chance?
I find it hard to believe a DK would not feel it, but I trust what you say. If he was running Razor Armor (and morphs) that would mean the set is proc'ing not only when he attacks you, but also when you attack him with melee attacks like jabs. Which is also something the DK can't control like DoTs. So it should be up 100% of the time.
Also like I said, with you being a magicka build, you weren't stacking it with Reverb Bash. I'd love to see what Omar thinks going against a stam DK with Fasalla and Reverb in a 500 CP campaign.
The problem for me is not the heal cut of Fasalla alone. It's the fact it's outside the Major/Minor system which makes it stackable with everything else.
No, he didn't use Purge, but set not proccing on damage shields(or wasn't at least before 2.3.2 patch), so if you casted or recastred damage shield(harness magicka for example) 2sec just before heal, debuff will end and you will be healed for full duration like Burning Embers for example and that is also why this set bad in duel vs magicka users (and maybe bad vs Barrier spamming blobs) at least - most of them apply Healing Ward+Harness sometimes on low hp and while it on them they are immune to this set and can heal for full numbers; stamina users - well at least they may stop to spam Caltrops on left and right . And sadly new campaign has disabled CP system, it is impossible to test lot of builds. Why ZOS did it
Sounds more like a bug with Fasalla's Guile to me rather then an intended feature.
@Wrobel, can we get this bug fixed before it goes live?Dean the Cat
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Maulkin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭No, he didn't use Purge, but set not proccing on damage shields....
Yeah, like Dean said that sounds like a bug.
If it didn't proc on Omar because of shields then of course that is a very bad test of how strong that set is. Have him try against a stam DK and we'll see how long he's left standing.EU | PC | AD0 -
Lord_Hev✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭The set is very anti-stam. And I'm going to love running this on my magic DK so all the FOTM stam builds cry me tears of QQ when they can't just yolo DPS my 35k health pool then die to my 1500 spell dmg whips.
If magic sorcs have to deal with shield-breaker, only fair that Stam NBs and DKs have to deal with Fasalla Guile. Stamplars can just run purify. Lucky them.
As far as Guile stacking with other heal debuffs. From what I could tell in my fights with guile and disease enchant on my weapon... no they do not stack. I even dumped 100 into defile and ran reverb against templars. Magic Templars with experience running the class had zero issues healing to full health. I also could barely even get most of them below 40% health.1 -
kkampaseb17_ESO✭✭✭The set is very anti-stam. And I'm going to love running this on my magic DK so all the FOTM stam builds cry me tears of QQ when they can't just yolo DPS my 35k health pool then die to my 1500 spell dmg whips.
If magic sorcs have to deal with shield-breaker, only fair that Stam NBs and DKs have to deal with Fasalla Guile. Stamplars can just run purify. Lucky them.
As far as Guile stacking with other heal debuffs. From what I could tell in my fights with guile and disease enchant on my weapon... no they do not stack. I even dumped 100 into defile and ran reverb against templars. Magic Templars with experience running the class had zero issues healing to full health. I also could barely even get most of them below 40% health.
Because that's all the stamina classes available. Obviously stamina sorc are OP and so deserve this....
Get your *** facts straight and stop supporting blanket nerfs cause that's what this set is to stamina gameplay.Edited by kkampaseb17_ESO on February 18, 2016 5:14PM0 -
Maulkin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭The set is very anti-stam. And I'm going to love running this on my magic DK so all the FOTM stam builds cry me tears of QQ when they can't just yolo DPS my 35k health pool then die to my 1500 spell dmg whips.
If magic sorcs have to deal with shield-breaker, only fair that Stam NBs and DKs have to deal with Fasalla Guile. Stamplars can just run purify. Lucky them.
As far as Guile stacking with other heal debuffs. From what I could tell in my fights with guile and disease enchant on my weapon... no they do not stack. I even dumped 100 into defile and ran reverb against templars. Magic Templars with experience running the class had zero issues healing to full health. I also could barely even get most of them below 40% health.
Reverb and Fasalla stacks absolutely fine. Our Stam DK got 90% healing reduction against targets that couldn't purge. Testing against magicka templars seems the most pointless test if a) it doesn't proc on shields and b) they can purify before every heal.EU | PC | AD0 -
Lord_Hev✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭kkampaseb17_ESO wrote: »The set is very anti-stam. And I'm going to love running this on my magic DK so all the FOTM stam builds cry me tears of QQ when they can't just yolo DPS my 35k health pool then die to my 1500 spell dmg whips.
If magic sorcs have to deal with shield-breaker, only fair that Stam NBs and DKs have to deal with Fasalla Guile. Stamplars can just run purify. Lucky them.
As far as Guile stacking with other heal debuffs. From what I could tell in my fights with guile and disease enchant on my weapon... no they do not stack. I even dumped 100 into defile and ran reverb against templars. Magic Templars with experience running the class had zero issues healing to full health. I also could barely even get most of them below 40% health.
Because that's all the stamina classes available. Obviously stamina sorc are OP and so deserve this....
Get your *** facts straight and stop supporting blanket nerfs cause that's what this set is to stamina gameplay.
My magic DK had to deal with 5 months of being neutered. I give zero ****s if Stam builds get a nice hard-counter from fasalla guile.
Cry me a river.0 -
kkampaseb17_ESO✭✭✭kkampaseb17_ESO wrote: »The set is very anti-stam. And I'm going to love running this on my magic DK so all the FOTM stam builds cry me tears of QQ when they can't just yolo DPS my 35k health pool then die to my 1500 spell dmg whips.
If magic sorcs have to deal with shield-breaker, only fair that Stam NBs and DKs have to deal with Fasalla Guile. Stamplars can just run purify. Lucky them.
As far as Guile stacking with other heal debuffs. From what I could tell in my fights with guile and disease enchant on my weapon... no they do not stack. I even dumped 100 into defile and ran reverb against templars. Magic Templars with experience running the class had zero issues healing to full health. I also could barely even get most of them below 40% health.
Because that's all the stamina classes available. Obviously stamina sorc are OP and so deserve this....
Get your *** facts straight and stop supporting blanket nerfs cause that's what this set is to stamina gameplay.
My magic DK had to deal with 5 months of being neutered. I give zero ****s if Stam builds get a nice hard-counter from fasalla guile.
Cry me a river.
Should I remind you what people had to put up with as stamina users since the start of the game for straight 14 months? So cry me a river for your 5 months of mediocrity compared to 14 months of total dominance.
They should balance magica/stamina not punish and overnerf what have been on the top. Balance....Edited by kkampaseb17_ESO on February 19, 2016 7:51AM1 -
Bashev✭✭✭✭✭
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@mike.gaziotisb16_ESOmike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »The set is very anti-stam. And I'm going to love running this on my magic DK so all the FOTM stam builds cry me tears of QQ when they can't just yolo DPS my 35k health pool then die to my 1500 spell dmg whips.
If magic sorcs have to deal with shield-breaker, only fair that Stam NBs and DKs have to deal with Fasalla Guile. Stamplars can just run purify. Lucky them.
As far as Guile stacking with other heal debuffs. From what I could tell in my fights with guile and disease enchant on my weapon... no they do not stack. I even dumped 100 into defile and ran reverb against templars. Magic Templars with experience running the class had zero issues healing to full health. I also could barely even get most of them below 40% health.
Reverb and Fasalla stacks absolutely fine. Our Stam DK got 90% healing reduction against targets that couldn't purge. Testing against magicka templars seems the most pointless test if a) it doesn't proc on shields and b) they can purify before every heal.
Just for curiosity how do you get 90% healing debuff, because when I tested it, with 100 points in CP the max that I can have is 80,2%. 40% from major and 66% from the set. They are multiplicative and at the end the debuff is 80.2%.Because I can!0 -
DeanTheCat✭✭✭✭✭
@mike.gaziotisb16_ESOmike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »The set is very anti-stam. And I'm going to love running this on my magic DK so all the FOTM stam builds cry me tears of QQ when they can't just yolo DPS my 35k health pool then die to my 1500 spell dmg whips.
If magic sorcs have to deal with shield-breaker, only fair that Stam NBs and DKs have to deal with Fasalla Guile. Stamplars can just run purify. Lucky them.
As far as Guile stacking with other heal debuffs. From what I could tell in my fights with guile and disease enchant on my weapon... no they do not stack. I even dumped 100 into defile and ran reverb against templars. Magic Templars with experience running the class had zero issues healing to full health. I also could barely even get most of them below 40% health.
Reverb and Fasalla stacks absolutely fine. Our Stam DK got 90% healing reduction against targets that couldn't purge. Testing against magicka templars seems the most pointless test if a) it doesn't proc on shields and b) they can purify before every heal.
Just for curiosity how do you get 90% healing debuff, because when I tested it, with 100 points in CP the max that I can have is 80,2%. 40% from major and 66% from the set. They are multiplicative and at the end the debuff is 80.2%.
You need to also factor in Minor Defile from disease damage. It's the status effect side effect of "Befouled".
Also, from observations based off Skoria proccing off Fasalla's Guile, one can surmise that it is a Disease DoT that deals 0 damage, as it has the greenish effect that appears when being inflicted by disease effects.Dean the Cat
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Insanity is the price of Knowledge. Herma-Mora and Sheogorath, this one bows before thee.
This one does not advocate for any class to be nerfed. There are far deeper underlying issues then a simple "Class Imbalance". The Champion System is the problem. Not classes.
Please read this before creating yet another nerf thread.
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✭✭✭✭✭It needs some kinda nerf, shouldnt stack with major defile is the obvious one, another one is removing the rings from this set so you have to wear heavy armor and so you cant wear 5 medium armor with this set.
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Bashev✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭DeanTheCat wrote: »
@mike.gaziotisb16_ESOmike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »The set is very anti-stam. And I'm going to love running this on my magic DK so all the FOTM stam builds cry me tears of QQ when they can't just yolo DPS my 35k health pool then die to my 1500 spell dmg whips.
If magic sorcs have to deal with shield-breaker, only fair that Stam NBs and DKs have to deal with Fasalla Guile. Stamplars can just run purify. Lucky them.
As far as Guile stacking with other heal debuffs. From what I could tell in my fights with guile and disease enchant on my weapon... no they do not stack. I even dumped 100 into defile and ran reverb against templars. Magic Templars with experience running the class had zero issues healing to full health. I also could barely even get most of them below 40% health.
Reverb and Fasalla stacks absolutely fine. Our Stam DK got 90% healing reduction against targets that couldn't purge. Testing against magicka templars seems the most pointless test if a) it doesn't proc on shields and b) they can purify before every heal.
Just for curiosity how do you get 90% healing debuff, because when I tested it, with 100 points in CP the max that I can have is 80,2%. 40% from major and 66% from the set. They are multiplicative and at the end the debuff is 80.2%.
You need to also factor in Minor Defile from disease damage. It's the status effect side effect of "Befouled".
Also, from observations based off Skoria proccing off Fasalla's Guile, one can surmise that it is a Disease DoT that deals 0 damage, as it has the greenish effect that appears when being inflicted by disease effects.
But still minor healing debuf is not on demand. It is really random and you cannot control it. On top of that if you want to reach these numbers you have to put 100 CP in the passive. The main issue with the set is that it procs on damage shields, it procs on every DoT and as you mentioned it proc Scoria. If the set is nerfed as bonuses or CD, probably nobody will use it. I still think that all the issues that @wrobel wants to fixe using sets is ridiculous. He probably should add this set bonus to the heavy armour passive. But hey who am I to give advices to @wrobel.Because I can!0 -
DeanTheCat✭✭✭✭✭DeanTheCat wrote: »
@mike.gaziotisb16_ESOmike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »The set is very anti-stam. And I'm going to love running this on my magic DK so all the FOTM stam builds cry me tears of QQ when they can't just yolo DPS my 35k health pool then die to my 1500 spell dmg whips.
If magic sorcs have to deal with shield-breaker, only fair that Stam NBs and DKs have to deal with Fasalla Guile. Stamplars can just run purify. Lucky them.
As far as Guile stacking with other heal debuffs. From what I could tell in my fights with guile and disease enchant on my weapon... no they do not stack. I even dumped 100 into defile and ran reverb against templars. Magic Templars with experience running the class had zero issues healing to full health. I also could barely even get most of them below 40% health.
Reverb and Fasalla stacks absolutely fine. Our Stam DK got 90% healing reduction against targets that couldn't purge. Testing against magicka templars seems the most pointless test if a) it doesn't proc on shields and b) they can purify before every heal.
Just for curiosity how do you get 90% healing debuff, because when I tested it, with 100 points in CP the max that I can have is 80,2%. 40% from major and 66% from the set. They are multiplicative and at the end the debuff is 80.2%.
You need to also factor in Minor Defile from disease damage. It's the status effect side effect of "Befouled".
Also, from observations based off Skoria proccing off Fasalla's Guile, one can surmise that it is a Disease DoT that deals 0 damage, as it has the greenish effect that appears when being inflicted by disease effects.
But still minor healing debuf is not on demand. It is really random and you cannot control it. On top of that if you want to reach these numbers you have to put 100 CP in the passive. The main issue with the set is that it procs on damage shields, it procs on every DoT and as you mentioned it proc Scoria. If the set is nerfed as bonuses or CD, probably nobody will use it. I still think that all the issues that @wrobel wants to fixe using sets is ridiculous. He probably should add this set bonus to the heavy armour passive. But hey who am I to give advices to @wrobel.
Minor Defile has a 20% chance to proc off weapon enchantments, and a 10% chance to proc off every tick of a Single Target DoT. Also, once applied, Minor Defile "sticks" to a target for 10 seconds. In a case of an enemy constantly attacking a Fasalla's user, in 10 seconds it will be 10 ticks of the 0 damage DoT. This means that Minor Defile is almost confirmed to proc, by the simple fact that a 10% chance means that on average, 1 in 10 ticks should proc the status.
Also, Minor and Major buffs stack addictive rather then multiplicative, which means that you will get 90+% to healing reduction.Dean the Cat
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This one hails from far Singapore, excuse this one for his high pings. He also apologizes for any formatting/spelling errors, as he tends to answer using a mobile device.
Insanity is the price of Knowledge. Herma-Mora and Sheogorath, this one bows before thee.
This one does not advocate for any class to be nerfed. There are far deeper underlying issues then a simple "Class Imbalance". The Champion System is the problem. Not classes.
Please read this before creating yet another nerf thread.
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Lord_Hev✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭kkampaseb17_ESO wrote: »kkampaseb17_ESO wrote: »The set is very anti-stam. And I'm going to love running this on my magic DK so all the FOTM stam builds cry me tears of QQ when they can't just yolo DPS my 35k health pool then die to my 1500 spell dmg whips.
If magic sorcs have to deal with shield-breaker, only fair that Stam NBs and DKs have to deal with Fasalla Guile. Stamplars can just run purify. Lucky them.
As far as Guile stacking with other heal debuffs. From what I could tell in my fights with guile and disease enchant on my weapon... no they do not stack. I even dumped 100 into defile and ran reverb against templars. Magic Templars with experience running the class had zero issues healing to full health. I also could barely even get most of them below 40% health.
Because that's all the stamina classes available. Obviously stamina sorc are OP and so deserve this....
Get your *** facts straight and stop supporting blanket nerfs cause that's what this set is to stamina gameplay.
My magic DK had to deal with 5 months of being neutered. I give zero ****s if Stam builds get a nice hard-counter from fasalla guile.
Cry me a river.
Should I remind you what people had to put up with as stamina users since the start of the game for straight 14 months? So cry me a river for your 5 months of mediocrity compared to 14 months of total dominance.
They should balance magica/stamina not punish and overnerf what have been on the top. Balance....
Fair point. I have yet to see what is "overnerfed for stam" or "unfair" about Fasalla Guile. As a sorc, I gotta put up with shield-breaker completely shutting down my only defense.
And like Shield Breaker, a good sorc or shield user can counter it. Just the same as a Stam user can counter Fasalla Guile.
The set is balanced.0 -
cschwingeb14_ESO✭✭✭✭There is no good counter to Fasallas for a non-templar stam user. Efficient purge got it's cost increased, and is pretty unusable by stam.
But, removing the jewelry for the set is not the way they should buff heavy armor. They should just balance the set, otherwise it will be all clever alchemist proxy burst vs Fasallas survival builds...in group pvp anyway. I don't know or care about duels
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Maulkin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭DeanTheCat wrote: »DeanTheCat wrote: »
@mike.gaziotisb16_ESOmike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »The set is very anti-stam. And I'm going to love running this on my magic DK so all the FOTM stam builds cry me tears of QQ when they can't just yolo DPS my 35k health pool then die to my 1500 spell dmg whips.
If magic sorcs have to deal with shield-breaker, only fair that Stam NBs and DKs have to deal with Fasalla Guile. Stamplars can just run purify. Lucky them.
As far as Guile stacking with other heal debuffs. From what I could tell in my fights with guile and disease enchant on my weapon... no they do not stack. I even dumped 100 into defile and ran reverb against templars. Magic Templars with experience running the class had zero issues healing to full health. I also could barely even get most of them below 40% health.
Reverb and Fasalla stacks absolutely fine. Our Stam DK got 90% healing reduction against targets that couldn't purge. Testing against magicka templars seems the most pointless test if a) it doesn't proc on shields and b) they can purify before every heal.
Just for curiosity how do you get 90% healing debuff, because when I tested it, with 100 points in CP the max that I can have is 80,2%. 40% from major and 66% from the set. They are multiplicative and at the end the debuff is 80.2%.
You need to also factor in Minor Defile from disease damage. It's the status effect side effect of "Befouled".
Also, from observations based off Skoria proccing off Fasalla's Guile, one can surmise that it is a Disease DoT that deals 0 damage, as it has the greenish effect that appears when being inflicted by disease effects.
But still minor healing debuf is not on demand. It is really random and you cannot control it. On top of that if you want to reach these numbers you have to put 100 CP in the passive. The main issue with the set is that it procs on damage shields, it procs on every DoT and as you mentioned it proc Scoria. If the set is nerfed as bonuses or CD, probably nobody will use it. I still think that all the issues that @wrobel wants to fixe using sets is ridiculous. He probably should add this set bonus to the heavy armour passive. But hey who am I to give advices to @wrobel.
Minor Defile has a 20% chance to proc off weapon enchantments, and a 10% chance to proc off every tick of a Single Target DoT. Also, once applied, Minor Defile "sticks" to a target for 10 seconds. In a case of an enemy constantly attacking a Fasalla's user, in 10 seconds it will be 10 ticks of the 0 damage DoT. This means that Minor Defile is almost confirmed to proc, by the simple fact that a 10% chance means that on average, 1 in 10 ticks should proc the status.
Also, Minor and Major buffs stack addictive rather then multiplicative, which means that you will get 90+% to healing reduction.
Bingo.
EDIT: Also the best thing as a stam DK facing a tank is, once you have procced all the debuffs you activate Corrosive Armor and you have 10" where you don't give a poop about your HP (since you take almost 0 damage) but all your damage completely bypasses the enemy's armor aaand he can't heal due to your debuffs.
I personally call this: The WW Killer. For obvious reasonsEdited by Maulkin on February 19, 2016 2:37PMEU | PC | AD0 -
kkampaseb17_ESO✭✭✭kkampaseb17_ESO wrote: »kkampaseb17_ESO wrote: »The set is very anti-stam. And I'm going to love running this on my magic DK so all the FOTM stam builds cry me tears of QQ when they can't just yolo DPS my 35k health pool then die to my 1500 spell dmg whips.
If magic sorcs have to deal with shield-breaker, only fair that Stam NBs and DKs have to deal with Fasalla Guile. Stamplars can just run purify. Lucky them.
As far as Guile stacking with other heal debuffs. From what I could tell in my fights with guile and disease enchant on my weapon... no they do not stack. I even dumped 100 into defile and ran reverb against templars. Magic Templars with experience running the class had zero issues healing to full health. I also could barely even get most of them below 40% health.
Because that's all the stamina classes available. Obviously stamina sorc are OP and so deserve this....
Get your *** facts straight and stop supporting blanket nerfs cause that's what this set is to stamina gameplay.
My magic DK had to deal with 5 months of being neutered. I give zero ****s if Stam builds get a nice hard-counter from fasalla guile.
Cry me a river.
Should I remind you what people had to put up with as stamina users since the start of the game for straight 14 months? So cry me a river for your 5 months of mediocrity compared to 14 months of total dominance.
They should balance magica/stamina not punish and overnerf what have been on the top. Balance....
Fair point. I have yet to see what is "overnerfed for stam" or "unfair" about Fasalla Guile. As a sorc, I gotta put up with shield-breaker completely shutting down my only defense.
And like Shield Breaker, a good sorc or shield user can counter it. Just the same as a Stam user can counter Fasalla Guile.
The set is balanced.
If Shield breaker set was allowed to be used with Twice Born, Hunding's rage or any other absurd set and be used on every single gear slot and even let you use a Monster set while instead of doing 2.5k flat damage ignoring your shields but rather it was cutting down your shield values by 50% or 66% if Champion point boosted, would you have the same reaction?0 -
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✭✭kkampaseb17_ESO wrote: »kkampaseb17_ESO wrote: »kkampaseb17_ESO wrote: »The set is very anti-stam. And I'm going to love running this on my magic DK so all the FOTM stam builds cry me tears of QQ when they can't just yolo DPS my 35k health pool then die to my 1500 spell dmg whips.
If magic sorcs have to deal with shield-breaker, only fair that Stam NBs and DKs have to deal with Fasalla Guile. Stamplars can just run purify. Lucky them.
As far as Guile stacking with other heal debuffs. From what I could tell in my fights with guile and disease enchant on my weapon... no they do not stack. I even dumped 100 into defile and ran reverb against templars. Magic Templars with experience running the class had zero issues healing to full health. I also could barely even get most of them below 40% health.
Because that's all the stamina classes available. Obviously stamina sorc are OP and so deserve this....
Get your *** facts straight and stop supporting blanket nerfs cause that's what this set is to stamina gameplay.
My magic DK had to deal with 5 months of being neutered. I give zero ****s if Stam builds get a nice hard-counter from fasalla guile.
Cry me a river.
Should I remind you what people had to put up with as stamina users since the start of the game for straight 14 months? So cry me a river for your 5 months of mediocrity compared to 14 months of total dominance.
They should balance magica/stamina not punish and overnerf what have been on the top. Balance....
Fair point. I have yet to see what is "overnerfed for stam" or "unfair" about Fasalla Guile. As a sorc, I gotta put up with shield-breaker completely shutting down my only defense.
And like Shield Breaker, a good sorc or shield user can counter it. Just the same as a Stam user can counter Fasalla Guile.
The set is balanced.
If Shield breaker set was allowed to be used with Twice Born, Hunding's rage or any other absurd set and be used on every single gear slot and even let you use a Monster set while instead of doing 2.5k flat damage ignoring your shields but rather it was cutting down your shield values by 50% or 66% if Champion point boosted, would you have the same reaction?
You can stop attacking a fasalla guile user, and heal up.
You can't ignore a shield breaker spammer.3 -
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✭✭Where will this set drop? I can easily find all the new sets releasing in this update but no info about which ones drop where.You earned the 500 LOLs badge.
You received 500 LOLs. It ain't no fluke, you post great stuff and we're lucky to have you here. +50 points0 -
Lord_Hev✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Where will this set drop? I can easily find all the new sets releasing in this update but no info about which ones drop where.
Reward of the Worthy mail, and the new PvP vendor that might sell one jewelry of one of the new PvP sets on one given day per weekend.
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kkampaseb17_ESO✭✭✭kkampaseb17_ESO wrote: »kkampaseb17_ESO wrote: »kkampaseb17_ESO wrote: »The set is very anti-stam. And I'm going to love running this on my magic DK so all the FOTM stam builds cry me tears of QQ when they can't just yolo DPS my 35k health pool then die to my 1500 spell dmg whips.
If magic sorcs have to deal with shield-breaker, only fair that Stam NBs and DKs have to deal with Fasalla Guile. Stamplars can just run purify. Lucky them.
As far as Guile stacking with other heal debuffs. From what I could tell in my fights with guile and disease enchant on my weapon... no they do not stack. I even dumped 100 into defile and ran reverb against templars. Magic Templars with experience running the class had zero issues healing to full health. I also could barely even get most of them below 40% health.
Because that's all the stamina classes available. Obviously stamina sorc are OP and so deserve this....
Get your *** facts straight and stop supporting blanket nerfs cause that's what this set is to stamina gameplay.
My magic DK had to deal with 5 months of being neutered. I give zero ****s if Stam builds get a nice hard-counter from fasalla guile.
Cry me a river.
Should I remind you what people had to put up with as stamina users since the start of the game for straight 14 months? So cry me a river for your 5 months of mediocrity compared to 14 months of total dominance.
They should balance magica/stamina not punish and overnerf what have been on the top. Balance....
Fair point. I have yet to see what is "overnerfed for stam" or "unfair" about Fasalla Guile. As a sorc, I gotta put up with shield-breaker completely shutting down my only defense.
And like Shield Breaker, a good sorc or shield user can counter it. Just the same as a Stam user can counter Fasalla Guile.
The set is balanced.
If Shield breaker set was allowed to be used with Twice Born, Hunding's rage or any other absurd set and be used on every single gear slot and even let you use a Monster set while instead of doing 2.5k flat damage ignoring your shields but rather it was cutting down your shield values by 50% or 66% if Champion point boosted, would you have the same reaction?
You can stop attacking a fasalla guile user, and heal up.
You can't ignore a shield breaker spammer.
I would agree if they do something about DoTs. And to also affect the heal on initial application on DoT heals not during whole duration. If you have the debuff your whole heal is cut by 50%.. If not the heal is unaffected.Edited by kkampaseb17_ESO on February 20, 2016 7:40AM1 -
Lord_Hev✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭kkampaseb17_ESO wrote: »kkampaseb17_ESO wrote: »kkampaseb17_ESO wrote: »kkampaseb17_ESO wrote: »The set is very anti-stam. And I'm going to love running this on my magic DK so all the FOTM stam builds cry me tears of QQ when they can't just yolo DPS my 35k health pool then die to my 1500 spell dmg whips.
If magic sorcs have to deal with shield-breaker, only fair that Stam NBs and DKs have to deal with Fasalla Guile. Stamplars can just run purify. Lucky them.
As far as Guile stacking with other heal debuffs. From what I could tell in my fights with guile and disease enchant on my weapon... no they do not stack. I even dumped 100 into defile and ran reverb against templars. Magic Templars with experience running the class had zero issues healing to full health. I also could barely even get most of them below 40% health.
Because that's all the stamina classes available. Obviously stamina sorc are OP and so deserve this....
Get your *** facts straight and stop supporting blanket nerfs cause that's what this set is to stamina gameplay.
My magic DK had to deal with 5 months of being neutered. I give zero ****s if Stam builds get a nice hard-counter from fasalla guile.
Cry me a river.
Should I remind you what people had to put up with as stamina users since the start of the game for straight 14 months? So cry me a river for your 5 months of mediocrity compared to 14 months of total dominance.
They should balance magica/stamina not punish and overnerf what have been on the top. Balance....
Fair point. I have yet to see what is "overnerfed for stam" or "unfair" about Fasalla Guile. As a sorc, I gotta put up with shield-breaker completely shutting down my only defense.
And like Shield Breaker, a good sorc or shield user can counter it. Just the same as a Stam user can counter Fasalla Guile.
The set is balanced.
If Shield breaker set was allowed to be used with Twice Born, Hunding's rage or any other absurd set and be used on every single gear slot and even let you use a Monster set while instead of doing 2.5k flat damage ignoring your shields but rather it was cutting down your shield values by 50% or 66% if Champion point boosted, would you have the same reaction?
You can stop attacking a fasalla guile user, and heal up.
You can't ignore a shield breaker spammer.
I would agree if they do something about DoTs. And to also affect the heal on initial application on DoT heals not during whole duration. If you have the debuff your whole heal is cut by 50%.. If not the heal is unaffected.
Fair enough.1