Waffennacht wrote: »Check out my OP innerlight brah, it like takes up two slots and I get 5% more magicka! Can you feel the burn???
You go invisible your argument is invalid, sorcs have had shields cut in half in PVP and streak can cost a crazy amount of magicka, nerf the cloak I say !
leepalmer95 wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Check out my OP innerlight brah, it like takes up two slots and I get 5% more magicka! Can you feel the burn???
1 slot. It takes 1 slot, you get a reveal, 7% max magicka, 2% regen and 10% spell crit.
Waffennacht wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Check out my OP innerlight brah, it like takes up two slots and I get 5% more magicka! Can you feel the burn???
1 slot. It takes 1 slot, you get a reveal, 7% max magicka, 2% regen and 10% spell crit.
@leepalmer95 you talkin bout Radiant Or Innerlight?
Because im talkin about innerlight (your 7% is only 5% more than Radiant) to keep the max magicka when you switch weapons you need it on both bars, cuz if you don't you lose that magicka.
Here are the notes, which describes no changes to innerlight, making it suck oh so hard compared to Radiant light.
So did they added the reveal to innerlight? Cuz they didn't say they did.
"Magelight can now be activated to summon a mote of magelight which exposes hidden or invisible enemies in an 8 meter radius for 5 seconds, and prevents revealed enemies from returning to stealth for 5 seconds.
This ability and the Radiant Magelight morph no longer decrease your maximum Magicka, due to the toggle changes noted above.
The Radiant Magelight morph will continue to prevent you from being stunned by stealth attacks, and will reduce damage from stealth attacks while slotted as a morph effect. Activating it also increases the radius of the activated reveal to 12 meters, and reduces the cost.
The Inner Light morph will continue to increase your maximum Magicka while slotted."
I'm playing nb since beta....nom I'm stamina
so for this moment I getting most deaths by nb, why? because is here 50% players playing as nb.
I dont have with this problem, about 25% these kills are from just gang from morre than only 1 ganger lol, I dont have any problems to defend gang by NB and more of these deaths by NB are from zergs...because in zergs are more NB hahaha but nvm ;p
now lest see on kills....also most of kills are on NB...
do you see?
NB...has good burst to kill...and he himself is very easy to kill if he cant use cloak...yeees more of these NB kills are because i have marked him and they dont have any chance to win fight and thats is it.
when I fighting with nb I deprive him cloak aaaand? and he is just on way to fast death if istn on magica build with resto to heal more, for shield(uncritable)
this fight agains nb who cant use cloak will be like fight agains sorc WHO CANT USE SHIELDS, he is then nothing specially hard to kill
but on normal pvp however sorc shield wins against nb cloak..why? because shield is so huga, can be staced more, uncritabble and this is sure defense in open fight and you can attacks with this when cloak ist...if you arent vampire to spam this ulti or using magica deto...cloak isnt that great as shield, with shield you have the best possible defense without blocking when with cloak...need just lag to bad work with it, spme aoe etc, det potion and then closk is pretty useless, you can only some wait with regens, buff in cloak if you can be cloaked when with shielkd you can nonstop fight with buffing, healing.
I saw some moments... few peoples trying to kill 1 nb(no vampire, no deto, he is just running out) they has problem to kill him, I just used piercing mark and then what? just 1-2 second of nuke and NB died
when I saw when sorc is trying to run out they he you using teleport with shields aand? still problem to kill him in 10 people when he is nonsatop visible, when some players got him....he can without problems kill them, just agains stack shields, curse on someone and then crystal frag proc, sorc when running can in same time attacks the chasing peoples and just kill them with good combo and keeping shields and run again.
when nb need for this very high burst to kills someone because he cant cast shields for 20k and be hitting then for 4-5k..its easily to tank 2, 3, 4 people and slowlny killing someone when nb need from hide ffast burst someone to kill..because no shield and he also can be very very fast bursted by these 2-4 people, he can take 3-5max hits without shields when sorc can with shield take 4-5 hits and then again use shield and live when nb just die in this moment if dont run into hide
so for end...nb have hight burst..but if he have this hight burst he can be also very easily killed
on this new patch if we see its now more for sorc to be new FOTM
just se on him, in cp he getting better burst in dmg, elemental with magic dmg in 1 skill tree, + psyhical resist + useles kills in cp agains damage shield (useless for today cp cap)
so sorc as sorc new FOTM...he will have burst like nb...ahh better than nb because all getting psyhical resist agains stamina build(so more NB's) and no any nerfs to dmg shields
Sorc will hit very hard and will be VERY HARD TO KILL with these shieldspam
EDIT: so with this patch...stamina NB can kill someone only with gang! ooh sorry, it was joke, nobody than some stam build can be now ganged thanks this new inner light, asasination class going to trash...because now it will be impossible to gank someone with this inner light, psyhical resist, buff to dmg for magica builds when stamina builds still has f*****g magic dmg dealing stamina skills
and now NB can fight only in open fight when they cant do any assasination from hide then..new era for magic build and pvp an only heavy armored stamina builds to more survivability because medium armor for max dps for gang will be now useless.
The English is pretty bad in this, but it doesn't stop a decent person from trying to understand the points made. I agree 100%. Sorc shield spammers are going to be FOTM. A decent Sorc that relies on shields is a headache. I've seen good sorcs take on 5-10 players and prior to death kills most. If NBs lose cloak, sorcs need to have those shields nerfed.
EatUrNumNumz wrote: »But in an open world setting this is insanely unbalanced and unfair. You get marked by one person, suddenly 100 can see you and theres nothing you can do about it for ATLEAST 30 seconds because you can't cast the ability.
Laughing because... for months players have been complaining about NB's being OP, so any Nightblades (myself included) KNEW that some form of nerf was coming. This nerf IMO is not as severe as it could have been, and it really does prevent people from constantly spamming Cloak in order to stealth attack. If it were me, I'd make it a timed change... so that you cannot stealth for 5/s after initiating an attack.
Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »Hmm let's see stop NB from cloak spamming and forces them to fight instead of resetting if their gank attempt fails. So yes.
And really why are players crying RML only helps magicka builds still be able to do gank run cloak repeat tactic on stamina users cause hey ZOS hates tanks and stamina users now.
leepalmer95 wrote: »Sure, the range isn't that large so as long as you get out of range just before the effect stops you can cloak again.
It effectively stops nb's from cloaking next to someone which when i'm literally about to hit you, you shouldn't hit a button and force me to miss.
EatUrNumNumz wrote: »Mark Target has a 60m range and last for 30 seconds Mark should be able to bypass shields if it can stop cloak from being casted all together.
Mark target is a nb skill, both can run it and fight on even grounds. Your complaing about your class skill defeating your class skill.
Run it or don't, if you don't then don't complain when people do.
You're talking about in a 1v1 aspect, which in a way is okay. But in an open world setting this is insanely unbalanced and unfair. You get marked by one person, suddenly 100 can see you and theres nothing you can do about it for ATLEAST 30 seconds because you can't cast the ability.
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EatUrNumNumz wrote: »Mark Target has a 60m range and last for 30 seconds Mark should be able to bypass shields if it can stop cloak from being casted all together.
Mark target is a nb skill, both can run it and fight on even grounds. Your complaing about your class skill defeating your class skill.
Run it or don't, if you don't then don't complain when people do.
You're talking about in a 1v1 aspect, which in a way is okay. But in an open world setting this is insanely unbalanced and unfair. You get marked by one person, suddenly 100 can see you and theres nothing you can do about it for ATLEAST 30 seconds because you can't cast the ability.
No. That is completely balanced. For reasons including:
-A group of a hundred people should have a fair way to track & kill you (especially if it requires another night blade.)
-Classes that are not Night blades deal with it.
-Stamina Night blades have the stamina to evade attacks & run for that duration.
-Magic Night blades have the magica to purge.
-All night blades have the 'ability' to kill the tracking Night blade.
-Teleport strike well n ell counts as a secondary escape.
-It requires you to be caught out of stealth, in the presence/ situational awareness of another Nightblade, meaning you've fairly bucked up.
-If you have a good build you can assassinate & restealth like a blink. (taking into account your cheaply insta-killing someone.)
-As Mostly Medium armor users, you have the resistance & literal evasion to survive that group better then that of a light armored Sorc (who could never go invisible.)
-What makes you think you have the right to jump into hundred people & get out alive with one move.
Pretty much every 'no' seems to have been a nightblade spoiled in the luxury of maintaing life. For me every time I jump into a matched battle I know there's a 99% chance I'm going to get mowed over if we loose. So I fight hard to avoid.
While I'm entertained by the idea of having someone sleek off half way threw the battle with their damage table & res us. I also know this can be an annoying time for both me & my enemy as we sit their & watch my body.
So why not let them fairly die with the rest off us... If they get caught.
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Welp if ya didn't know there are sandy, there are plenty of those skills. Nightblades have the best actually, Aspect of terror is probably the best out of a long line of stamina seizing ability's such as Wrecking blow, Crit rush, two handed heavy attacks, or more so for you guys "any stealth attack from the rear" that will completely inhibit a Sorcs ability to stack shields or do any of those moves.Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »Hmm let's see stop NB from cloak spamming and forces them to fight instead of resetting if their gank attempt fails. So yes.
And really why are players crying RML only helps magicka builds still be able to do gank run cloak repeat tactic on stamina users cause hey ZOS hates tanks and stamina users now.
Perhaps if there was a skill that prevented a target from casting ward, BoL, razor armor, lightning form, rune focus then it might be easier for others to understand. It's not having an effective counter that's the problem. The problem is that it skill-locks an entire class, which I believe is the opposite of balance.
And to address the points you made:
1. All non ground targeting systems are based on visibility, AoE's waste resources past the first guess as good Nightblades know stealthed rapids will avoid a zergs entire search screen. If you get caught roll Run & repeat to play rock games all day. In addition to you having the stamina to out run heavy armor or magic sorcs, saying you've haven't gone stealth by then if the search of 30 guys wasn't to serious.
So you want me to be reliant on spending thousands in potions before I enter pvp.
& radiant is a one 1-2 slot dedication that you can casually walk out of after you freely choose to enter that area to get in dagger range, because how am I going to sneak up on a night blade with a giant blue light...
With Spreading out being the blatant foil to all zerg fights.
2. That wasn't even my point I was saying you have armor you have a weapon you can fight like the rest of us. Those 'class detections' don't track the target & only provide a short instance for standard targeting that the new cloak will negate by itself.
3. Seen it done, their sets to help noobs (ie:crusaders, way of air, ect.) get it done, & I've done it. What I did wasn't pure roll dodging, though take a provision & drink a pot & I'm sure a full stamina night blade can do it strait roll spam.
4. You can't reapply it once they turn invisible...
5. Ya this one takes some skill sorry you don't know about it.
6. This move works better then streak with enough training, directional control is based of camera positions rather than charter directions allowing you to target/travel in any direction. With its range being well beyond that of steak its way harder to track a teleporting target then it is to say he went that far in that direction, with no definitive trail or animation to trace their direction. In addition to the multitude of environmental conditions that can be exploited with this move. Unlike critical rush this move is not path reliant, which is how it allows players to teleport to relative safety behind, up mountains in towers & even teleport back from falling off bridges with correct camera angling...
7. Well that's way they took the time to get that pot to **** you right & proper.
8. The key word is blink, they can burst a guy down but in order to do it & not be seen or detected when sniping members of a group requires range & cover not an open field surrounded by enemies. Being fair its in a nightblades job description, but that is why that high burst gank build is a good nighblade build role wise, to get in & to get out fast before detection; before you get marked. That's an assassin. Not to get in & prance around before you get scared & leave whenever you want.
9. Covered this... Also Well fitted stamblade non-stop from ash gate to Chalman towards the blue road side, Granted part of the chase went by horse back but you get point. Also there's a delay between each teleportation so the distance of the sprit might be the same as teleportation. Reminding me also that sprint is getting a buff so it might be way faster & efficient to run especially being there's a cost debuff currently active when spamming streak. So in the next up date Sorcs who can't go invisible, like your magic NB, practically wont be able to run at all from a night blade or non heavy armor user with stamina.
10. Maybe depending on how you built. Its an ultimate get over it. They do then the die without back up, depending on the strength of their allies, barley being able to decide their fate them selves if they can contribute more then a standing wall influence. (If you comment back won't add something about sorcerers & what magnificent feats they cover while they cling to life with their shield staking.)
the sorcerer will be next in line; maybe once 3 out of the 4 classes have undergone requested nerfs people will start talking about some real issues besides an easily breakable cloak.
You go invisible your argument is invalid, sorcs have had shields cut in half in PVP and streak can cost a crazy amount of magicka, nerf the cloak I say !