Do you agree with the new Shadow Cloak nerf in terms of not being ABLE to cloak?

Strider_Roshin · February 2016

No

MormondPayne_EP wrote: »

I think that NB's need to stop crying so much...

I think ZOS needs to stop nerfing so much.

NeilBongStrong · February 2016

No

WAIT! so.. if im marked or hit by mage light i cant even use the ability!? That needs to be fixed, I honestly DONT CARE if you can see me but removing the option to hit cloak will bone you out of your armor and resist buffs, also as being a magicka nightblade i get my speed from being to cast cloak, wether or not they can see me... shhould be treated as if player is using detect pot or something.

This is fubar. good thing im a beast w/o cloak. lame AF tho

Essiaga · February 2016

No

EatUrNumNumz wrote: »

Do you agree with the new Shadow Cloak nerf in terms of not being able to cast the ability if marked, or revealed by Mage Light?

Mage Light- The amount of time your stuck out of cloak is silly. 2 second should be enough to ruin your fun. 5 is a LONG time.
I do like that Mage Light has more viability but it's only going to make ALL classes stronger verse stealth which means nothing was done to balance weak classes.

I doubt it will stay as powerful as it is.

EatUrNumNumz · February 2016

No

Xsorus wrote: »

EatUrNumNumz wrote: »

Mark Target has a 60m range and last for 30 seconds Mark should be able to bypass shields if it can stop cloak from being casted all together.

Mark target is a nb skill, both can run it and fight on even grounds. Your complaing about your class skill defeating your class skill.

Run it or don't, if you don't then don't complain when people do.

You're talking about in a 1v1 aspect, which in a way is okay. But in an open world setting this is insanely unbalanced and unfair. You get marked by one person, suddenly 100 can see you and theres nothing you can do about it for ATLEAST 30 seconds because you can't cast the ability.
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Umm..there is something you can do about it

Its called Purge..its what every NB does about it.

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Yeah you say that, but go ahead and find space on your bar for a Purge as a stamina build. Oh, better yet find enough magicka to cast it viably.

Farorin · February 2016

No

As someone who finds it fun hunting NBs on my Templar, I don't agree with it, because it will force NBs to wisen up, so instead of just running away and freaking out, wondering why shadow cloak isn't working after they have been with hit a flare or whatever, they will instead realise that they are revealed and be more likely to fight back.

As a NB who uses cloak, I don't care though, it makes no difference to me, if I am revelaed I am revealed regardless of if the ability is locked, or just not working.

Solariken · February 2016

No

I prefer to let the nightblade waste magicka trying to cloak while I ram my spears and javelins in every possible orifice.

Edziu · February 2016

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Mark Target has a 60m range and last for 30 seconds Mark should be able to bypass shields if it can stop cloak from being casted all together.

awesome! so because NB's are assasins! so they must doing most sucessful gangs etc, for this moment this poiercing mark without cast it on other nb to see him and dont let him run out in hide...without this work against nb this skill is useless for me, armor/speel resist reduction doesint stack with other reductions...so its useless in 1vs1, in zer vs zerg itso only to try selfheal...just cast it on random and then waith idk how much time for dead this targed to selfheal if needed or for purge on him lol, odl mark target was been perrfect! 75% armor reductuin to targeg so very good start to gang but also for you is this armor reduction, so like to normal assasination! kill him or die!!

like for now it may be to bypass dmg shield or minim 50% of these shield to good work this skill if may be not ovepowered.
you can use this skill only for 1 target so its will not be owerpowered, just use it on this sorc, you have still debuffing his armor using SA so armor reduction is useless from this skill for now, but if you can dealing 50% dmg to health bypassing shield it will be so good if then you can crit on health with nonstrit 50% dmg on shield

so normally 8k hit with crit, going to noncritabble 15k shield hitting be 4k normally but with piercing mark 2k and next 2k or 4k with crit to health, so low dmg so its not overpowered, and now you can dealing this not high dmg into health and slowly killing him and he now need to use normal heal, not only this 6k+ shield from resto and wait these few secs to heal..without shieldbreaker I think you finally chave chance to win agains shieldstactking sorc

because normally he just butting this 15k sorc shild for what you nheed to hit minimum 3 times to deastroy it and they 6k+ shield from resto....so sorc just stacking sorc shield to wait when resto shield heal him after few secs
now thanks this piercing mark sorc will need insta heal ability to selfheal without nonstop shieldstacking + crystal frag proc

olsborg · February 2016

No

If you are marked tho, you cant even execute the skill, its like the slot is wasted for the entire duration you are marked, or otherwise revealed.

EatUrNumNumz · February 2016

No

olsborg wrote: »

If you are marked tho, you cant even execute the skill, its like the slot is wasted for the entire duration you are marked, or otherwise revealed.

That's exactly my point. People are way too stubborn and tunnel vision on the fact that they think cloak is just "OP".

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · February 2016

No

leepalmer95 wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Sure, the range isn't that large so as long as you get out of range just before the effect stops you can cloak again.

It effectively stops nb's from cloaking next to someone which when i'm literally about to hit you, you shouldn't hit a button and force me to miss.

Mark Target has a 60m range and last for 30 seconds Mark should be able to bypass shields if it can stop cloak from being casted all together.

Mark target is a nb skill, both can run it and fight on even grounds. Your complaing about your class skill defeating your class skill.

Run it or don't, if you don't then don't complain when people do.

So as long as we both have Mark neither should be able to counter DoTs should you can't use the power at all making the secondary affects unless cause you can't use it.

Also one guy having mark all enemies on both sides should benefit from both the debuff and the inability to use class powers to combat DoTs?

Edziu wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Mark Target has a 60m range and last for 30 seconds Mark should be able to bypass shields if it can stop cloak from being casted all together.

awesome! so because NB's are assasins! so they must doing most sucessful gangs etc, for this moment this poiercing mark without cast it on other nb to see him and dont let him run out in hide...without this work against nb this skill is useless for me, armor/speel resist reduction doesint stack with other reductions...so its useless in 1vs1, in zer vs zerg itso only to try selfheal...just cast it on random and then waith idk how much time for dead this targed to selfheal if needed or for purge on him lol, odl mark target was been perrfect! 75% armor reductuin to targeg so very good start to gang but also for you is this armor reduction, so like to normal assasination! kill him or die!! like for now it may be to bypass dmg shield or minim 50% of these shield to good work this skill if may be not ovepowered.
you can use this skill only for 1 target so its will not be owerpowered, just use it on this sorc, you have still debuffing his armor using SA so armor reduction is useless from this skill for now, but if you can dealing 50% dmg to health bypassing shield it will be so good if then you can crit on health with nonstrit 50% dmg on shield

so normally 8k hit with crit, going to noncritabble 15k shield hitting be 4k normally but with piercing mark 2k and next 2k or 4k with crit to health, so low dmg so its not overpowered, and now you can dealing this not high dmg into health and slowly killing him and he now need to use normal heal, not only this 6k+ shield from resto and wait these few secs to heal..without shieldbreaker I think you finally chave chance to win agains shieldstactking sorc

because normally he just butting this 15k sorc shild for what you nheed to hit minimum 3 times to deastroy it and they 6k+ shield from resto....so sorc just stacking sorc shield to wait when resto shield heal him after few secs
now thanks this piercing mark sorc will need insta heal ability to selfheal without nonstop shieldstacking + crystal frag proc

Yes Nightblades should be able to kill fast cause we are assassins, Sorcerers use magic to defend themselves cause we use our classes to the maximum effect.

Both my Templar and Dragon Knight are near unkillable.
Templar having 100 points in both heals taken and healing received. The rest are in crit damage buffing both damage and heals and we'll all my guys are Argonian so more heals taken that's just CP.

My Dragon Knight has 100 points in Heavy Attack damage and the heavy attack resource return star I do crazy damage while using no resources and get a lot back with full heavy attacks play to your classes strength and you will stand a chance everyone running a max damage build will always die to the guy with more damage.

Templard and Dragon Knights are defensive classes.

ButtersEP · February 2016

Yes

You go invisible your argument is invalid, sorcs have had shields cut in half in PVP and streak can cost a crazy amount of magicka, nerf the cloak I say !

Waffennacht · February 2016

Yes

So ummm... wtf does innerlight do now? Just sit there and provide 5% max magicka and takes up two slots to keep said magicka?

Why whould anyone run innerlight now? When radiant doesn't reduce, provides an effect, can be used on only one slot and give the crit rating?

Cody · February 2016

Yes

Xsorus wrote: »

EatUrNumNumz wrote: »

Mark Target has a 60m range and last for 30 seconds Mark should be able to bypass shields if it can stop cloak from being casted all together.

Mark target is a nb skill, both can run it and fight on even grounds. Your complaing about your class skill defeating your class skill.

Run it or don't, if you don't then don't complain when people do.

You're talking about in a 1v1 aspect, which in a way is okay. But in an open world setting this is insanely unbalanced and unfair. You get marked by one person, suddenly 100 can see you and theres nothing you can do about it for ATLEAST 30 seconds because you can't cast the ability.
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Umm..there is something you can do about it

Its called Purge..its what every NB does about it.

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purge? not every NB is a mana build, this is no longer 1.5, where most people ran mana builds:) A stam blade is not going to be able to use purge effectively, certainly not enough to keep throwing off piercing marks that even for a stam blade are cheap

Alorier · February 2016

Yes

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itscompton · February 2016

Yes

Cody wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

EatUrNumNumz wrote: »

Mark Target has a 60m range and last for 30 seconds Mark should be able to bypass shields if it can stop cloak from being casted all together.

Mark target is a nb skill, both can run it and fight on even grounds. Your complaing about your class skill defeating your class skill.

Run it or don't, if you don't then don't complain when people do.

You're talking about in a 1v1 aspect, which in a way is okay. But in an open world setting this is insanely unbalanced and unfair. You get marked by one person, suddenly 100 can see you and theres nothing you can do about it for ATLEAST 30 seconds because you can't cast the ability.

Umm..there is something you can do about it

Its called Purge..its what every NB does about it.

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purge? not every NB is a mana build, this is no longer 1.5, where most people ran mana builds:) A stam blade is not going to be able to use purge effectively, certainly not enough to keep throwing off piercing marks that even for a stam blade are cheap[/quote]

Sounds like a L2P issue, lol. Isn't that what NB's love to say?

NativeJoe · February 2016

Yes

well I never see any other class get 6 of themselves together and go on a ganking spree. NB's are the only ones that can do this, and disengage whenever they feel like it. They get super damage on thier first strike, and get auto crits. what more do u want in a class? if they fail the first gank attempt should their not be a CD? I mean they can literally troll groups doing the hit and run tactics right now infinitly. No other class has this...which is okay. but them being able basically avoid all damage for 10+ seconds dodge rolling and LOSing and then going invisable whenever they want doesn't seem to bad of a nerf. I mean, u just are losing the ability to disappear right infront of me and walking behind me for another WB. which I don't think is to bad. if ur worried, next patch just slot lotus fan and mash the button down till everyone around u dies. problem solved.

Cody · February 2016

Yes

itscompton wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

EatUrNumNumz wrote: »

Mark Target has a 60m range and last for 30 seconds Mark should be able to bypass shields if it can stop cloak from being casted all together.

Mark target is a nb skill, both can run it and fight on even grounds. Your complaing about your class skill defeating your class skill.

Run it or don't, if you don't then don't complain when people do.

You're talking about in a 1v1 aspect, which in a way is okay. But in an open world setting this is insanely unbalanced and unfair. You get marked by one person, suddenly 100 can see you and theres nothing you can do about it for ATLEAST 30 seconds because you can't cast the ability.

Umm..there is something you can do about it

Its called Purge..its what every NB does about it.

purge? not every NB is a mana build, this is no longer 1.5, where most people ran mana builds:) A stam blade is not going to be able to use purge effectively, certainly not enough to keep throwing off piercing marks that even for a stam blade are cheap[/quote]

[/quote]Sounds like a L2P issue, lol. Isn't that what NB's love to say?[/quote]

its not what I love to say,in fact I hate saying it, as those kinds of comments almost never offer anything constructive or any actual advice for "learning how to play"

but if you want me to act like that I will, so please tell me how a stamblade that has a max of around 10K mana can effectively use a mana ability that costs almost 5K each use, and how they use that to throw off a mark that another stamblade can cast for only 2.1K mana, with no mana reductions whatsoever? the marking NB can easily have the purge using stamblade still marked after the max use of 2-3 purges are extended, and still even have mana left over for Fear or cloak.

this comment reminds me of people telling stam builds the exact same thing in the days of 1.5 about talons and other abilities,, assuming that everyone played a mana build. Newsflash, not everyone plays a mana build (which I expect to be common knowledge nowadays)

"" L2P, isn't that what NBs love to say"? Funny, I expect the exact same thing to be said of sorcerers in the next two months.

update, purge for me, a stam build, costs 7.2 K, there is no way I could possibly sustain that against mark target, so l2p is invalid.

@itscompton

Jura23 · February 2016

I'm indifferent about this change. But I think it was little bit too easy for NBs to reset the fight before.

Ilterendi · February 2016

No

This is acceptable IF: Rending Slash negates and disables Sorcerers' shields, DKs' Banners have 1hp and a hit box as wide as its AoE, Healing debuffs disables templars' ability to use Aedric abilities.

Kinda sucks to watch your class abilities utterly gutted. Revealed, fine with it. Locked so you can't even take advantage of the secondary uses is ridiculous.

Volkodav · February 2016

I never use it,so I really cant vote,though I run an NB these days.There is no box for other.

Cathexis · February 2016

starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »

They've effectively made Shadow Cloak useless and Mage Light OP all at the same time.

Nightblades have other abilities besides cloak. Its time to move on now.

starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »

They've effectively made Shadow Cloak useless and Mage Light OP all at the same time.

"Check out my op magelight" said no one ever.

Waffennacht · February 2016

Yes

Check out my OP innerlight brah, it like takes up two slots and I get 5% more magicka! Can you feel the burn???

Elara_Northwind · February 2016

No

This is so dumb. If they go through with this change, then they should also implement a change that forces a sorcerer to be rooted to the ground when they attempt to bolt escape? Or a chance for a DK to reflect something back at themselves? or a templar to reverse heal or whatever

And also make them unable to use their skills for a little while after of course... Why not just leave every class able to do exactly what they are supposed to do instead of gimping them all into watered down versions of what they should be? The game would be amazing if all classes stopped being nerfed every five minutes, stamina builds especially, because apart from a couple of class skills, they are all pretty much the same...

leepalmer95 · February 2016

Yes

Waffennacht wrote: »

Check out my OP innerlight brah, it like takes up two slots and I get 5% more magicka! Can you feel the burn???

1 slot. It takes 1 slot, you get a reveal, 7% max magicka, 2% regen and 10% spell crit.

EatUrNumNumz · February 2016

No

I'm seeing a lot of people so set that cloak is OP, and that they shouldn't be allowed to cloak and that Nightblades should "l2p". And from what I've seen as in the signatures, most of them are Sorcerers. LOL

Therium104 · February 2016

Yes

Honestly, the nerf is not near enough.

Elara_Northwind · February 2016

No

EatUrNumNumz wrote: »

I'm seeing a lot of people so set that cloak is OP, and that they shouldn't be allowed to cloak and that Nightblades should "l2p". And from what I've seen as in the signatures, most of them are Sorcerers. LOL

Cloak is not in any way OP. It doesn't even do any damage, and many use it just as an escape tool just as I would spam heals and try to get the hell out of there (albeit slightly less effectively, templar moves like a stoned snail

) All it takes is a little perception to know where a cloaked nb has gone. We don't need to have some OP skill for that, its completely over the top.

Spliffo · February 2016

No

No it shouldn't be removed but the way things are going it is a possibility, if it comes to it then they will need to rework the entire class as it is bassed around stealth gameplay/invisablility and is no where near as effective without it

Edziu · February 2016

I'm playing nb since beta....nom I'm stamina
so for this moment I getting most deaths by nb, why? because is here 50% players playing as nb.
I dont have with this problem, about 25% these kills are from just gang from morre than only 1 ganger lol, I dont have any problems to defend gang by NB

and more of these deaths by NB are from zergs...because in zergs are more NB hahaha but nvm ;p

now lest see on kills....also most of kills are on NB...
do you see?
NB...has good burst to kill...and he himself is very easy to kill if he cant use cloak...yeees more of these NB kills are because i have marked him

and they dont have any chance to win fight and thats is it.
when I fighting with nb I deprive him cloak aaaand? and he is just on way to fast death if istn on magica build with resto to heal more, for shield(uncritable)
this fight agains nb who cant use cloak will be like fight agains sorc WHO CANT USE SHIELDS, he is then nothing specially hard to kill

but on normal pvp however sorc shield wins against nb cloak..why? because shield is so huga, can be staced more, uncritabble and this is sure defense in open fight and you can attacks with this when cloak ist...if you arent vampire to spam this ulti or using magica deto...cloak isnt that great as shield, with shield you have the best possible defense without blocking when with cloak...need just lag to bad work with it, spme aoe etc, det potion and then closk is pretty useless, you can only some wait with regens, buff in cloak if you can be cloaked when with shielkd you can nonstop fight with buffing, healing.

I saw some moments... few peoples trying to kill 1 nb(no vampire, no deto, he is just running out) they has problem to kill him, I just used piercing mark and then what? just 1-2 second of nuke and NB died

when I saw when sorc is trying to run out they he you using teleport with shields aand? still problem to kill him in 10 people when he is nonsatop visible, when some players got him....he can without problems kill them, just agains stack shields, curse on someone and then crystal frag proc, sorc when running can in same time attacks the chasing peoples and just kill them with good combo and keeping shields and run again.

when nb need for this very high burst to kills someone because he cant cast shields for 20k and be hitting then for 4-5k..its easily to tank 2, 3, 4 people and slowlny killing someone when nb need from hide ffast burst someone to kill..because no shield and he also can be very very fast bursted by these 2-4 people, he can take 3-5max hits without shields when sorc can with shield take 4-5 hits and then again use shield and live when nb just die in this moment if dont run into hide

so for end...nb have hight burst..but if he have this hight burst he can be also very easily killed

on this new patch if we see its now more for sorc to be new FOTM

just se on him, in cp he getting better burst in dmg, elemental with magic dmg in 1 skill tree, + psyhical resist + useles kills in cp agains damage shield (useless for today cp cap)
so sorc as sorc new FOTM...he will have burst like nb...ahh better than nb because all getting psyhical resist agains stamina build(so more NB's) and no any nerfs to dmg shields

Sorc will hit very hard and will be VERY HARD TO KILL with these shieldspam

EDIT: so with this patch...stamina NB can kill someone only with gang! ooh sorry, it was joke, nobody than some stam build can be now ganged thanks this new inner light, asasination class going to trash...because now it will be impossible to gank someone with this inner light, psyhical resist, buff to dmg for magica builds when stamina builds still has f*****g magic dmg dealing stamina skills

and now NB can fight only in open fight when they cant do any assasination from hide then..new era for magic build and pvp an only heavy armored stamina builds to more survivability because medium armor for max dps for gang will be now useless.

Ilterendi · February 2016

No

Edziu wrote: »

I'm playing nb since beta....nom I'm stamina
so for this moment I getting most deaths by nb, why? because is here 50% players playing as nb.
I dont have with this problem, about 25% these kills are from just gang from morre than only 1 ganger lol, I dont have any problems to defend gang by NB and more of these deaths by NB are from zergs...because in zergs are more NB hahaha but nvm ;p

now lest see on kills....also most of kills are on NB...
do you see?
NB...has good burst to kill...and he himself is very easy to kill if he cant use cloak...yeees more of these NB kills are because i have marked him and they dont have any chance to win fight and thats is it.
when I fighting with nb I deprive him cloak aaaand? and he is just on way to fast death if istn on magica build with resto to heal more, for shield(uncritable)
this fight agains nb who cant use cloak will be like fight agains sorc WHO CANT USE SHIELDS, he is then nothing specially hard to kill

but on normal pvp however sorc shield wins against nb cloak..why? because shield is so huga, can be staced more, uncritabble and this is sure defense in open fight and you can attacks with this when cloak ist...if you arent vampire to spam this ulti or using magica deto...cloak isnt that great as shield, with shield you have the best possible defense without blocking when with cloak...need just lag to bad work with it, spme aoe etc, det potion and then closk is pretty useless, you can only some wait with regens, buff in cloak if you can be cloaked when with shielkd you can nonstop fight with buffing, healing.

I saw some moments... few peoples trying to kill 1 nb(no vampire, no deto, he is just running out) they has problem to kill him, I just used piercing mark and then what? just 1-2 second of nuke and NB died

when I saw when sorc is trying to run out they he you using teleport with shields aand? still problem to kill him in 10 people when he is nonsatop visible, when some players got him....he can without problems kill them, just agains stack shields, curse on someone and then crystal frag proc, sorc when running can in same time attacks the chasing peoples and just kill them with good combo and keeping shields and run again.

when nb need for this very high burst to kills someone because he cant cast shields for 20k and be hitting then for 4-5k..its easily to tank 2, 3, 4 people and slowlny killing someone when nb need from hide ffast burst someone to kill..because no shield and he also can be very very fast bursted by these 2-4 people, he can take 3-5max hits without shields when sorc can with shield take 4-5 hits and then again use shield and live when nb just die in this moment if dont run into hide

so for end...nb have hight burst..but if he have this hight burst he can be also very easily killed

on this new patch if we see its now more for sorc to be new FOTM

just se on him, in cp he getting better burst in dmg, elemental with magic dmg in 1 skill tree, + psyhical resist + useles kills in cp agains damage shield (useless for today cp cap)
so sorc as sorc new FOTM...he will have burst like nb...ahh better than nb because all getting psyhical resist agains stamina build(so more NB's) and no any nerfs to dmg shields

Sorc will hit very hard and will be VERY HARD TO KILL with these shieldspam

EDIT: so with this patch...stamina NB can kill someone only with gang! ooh sorry, it was joke, nobody than some stam build can be now ganged thanks this new inner light, asasination class going to trash...because now it will be impossible to gank someone with this inner light, psyhical resist, buff to dmg for magica builds when stamina builds still has f*****g magic dmg dealing stamina skills

and now NB can fight only in open fight when they cant do any assasination from hide then..new era for magic build and pvp an only heavy armored stamina builds to more survivability because medium armor for max dps for gang will be now useless.

The English is pretty bad in this, but it doesn't stop a decent person from trying to understand the points made. I agree 100%. Sorc shield spammers are going to be FOTM. A decent Sorc that relies on shields is a headache. I've seen good sorcs take on 5-10 players and prior to death kills most. If NBs lose cloak, sorcs need to have those shields nerfed.