Spy Addon Group Damage

MikeB

People are seriously wining about a raid DPS addon?! What have mmo's come to... As has already been stated, experienced players don't need hard numbers to know how good or bad you are doing in a dungeon. All they need is to look at what you're wearing an what you're casting. I know how good or bad a dungeon is going to go with PuGs on the first trash pull of any dungeon, if I don't already know by their gear and buffs, or lack there of.

DschiPeunt

I love the add-on and I would love if ZOS would modify the API so that it becomes more reliable and easier to use.
In trials with progress groups it is fun to compare the DPS and to see how well you are doing. And it is also good if the leader can see who needs to improve, so nobody is slowing down the progress of the group.

And if somebody kicks you because you have bad DPS, then that guy is probably a person that you don't want to run with anyway. I know nobody, who expects 20k+ DPS from a random.

But to be honest, I think this addon would be a good thing for not so experienced players as well. Compare your DPS and get better. Maybe group with someone else and see their high DPS and ask them for advice. Don't be afraid to ask.
And don't get angry if someone tells you that you could do something better. They might actually be right.

MrDerrikk

NateAssassin wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

NateAssassin wrote: »

Yay now more elitists will kick me from their pledge group because I don't have 45k dps

this is disturbing.
very frustrating that eso allows these types of things, i hate it.

I'm sorry, but its not possible to hide low dps from experienced teammates.
Even when I'm tanking, I see how long the fight lasts and I can tell if dds are above or below average.

P.S. I've never seen anyone being kicked from a random pug for not having 45k. People are not getting kicked for posting 8-12 (well, usually).

Attempt to do anything that's not Wayrest Sewers or Spindeclutch and people will complain if you don't have 15k and if you go into CoA, if you have below 30-40k prepare to get called a noob and kicked.

Well...I and another DD with 14k dps pugged CoA for gold the other day, got the speed run easily without skipping much and got told that was some of the best dps they'd seen in the dungeon because we survived. The only two deaths were the healer and other DD right at the end of the Ash Titan because they got caught by the add on the last 2% of boss health.

The only time you really need that dps is for the burn strategies in ICP and perhaps WGT (but I find that one easier).

Asmodean

DschiPeunt wrote: »

I love the add-on and I would love if ZOS would modify the API so that it becomes more reliable and easier to use.
In trials with progress groups it is fun to compare the DPS and to see how well you are doing. And it is also good if the leader can see who needs to improve, so nobody is slowing down the progress of the group.

And if somebody kicks you because you have bad DPS, then that guy is probably a person that you don't want to run with anyway. I know nobody, who expects 20k+ DPS from a random.

But to be honest, I think this addon would be a good thing for not so experienced players as well. Compare your DPS and get better. Maybe group with someone else and see their high DPS and ask them for advice. Don't be afraid to ask.
And don't get angry if someone tells you that you could do something better. They might actually be right.

I agree with this (even though, I currently don't use this addon). The problem doesn't lie with the dps meters. It's the players who abuse this information. This can be the case with anything else really.

I actually find the lack of (optional) info presented in the game, a bit frustrating sometimes. For instance - the fact that you need a 3rd-party addon just to see how much your abilities hit for lol.. and so on.

tangy.citrus

Best add on in the game besides FTC. Lets me see when i pug a group for hrc and I do 40% of the total damage.

NateAssassin

MrDerrikk wrote: »

NateAssassin wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

NateAssassin wrote: »

Yay now more elitists will kick me from their pledge group because I don't have 45k dps

this is disturbing.
very frustrating that eso allows these types of things, i hate it.

I'm sorry, but its not possible to hide low dps from experienced teammates.
Even when I'm tanking, I see how long the fight lasts and I can tell if dds are above or below average.

P.S. I've never seen anyone being kicked from a random pug for not having 45k. People are not getting kicked for posting 8-12 (well, usually).

Attempt to do anything that's not Wayrest Sewers or Spindeclutch and people will complain if you don't have 15k and if you go into CoA, if you have below 30-40k prepare to get called a noob and kicked.

Well...I and another DD with 14k dps pugged CoA for gold the other day, got the speed run easily without skipping much and got told that was some of the best dps they'd seen in the dungeon because we survived. The only two deaths were the healer and other DD right at the end of the Ash Titan because they got caught by the add on the last 2% of boss health.

The only time you really need that dps is for the burn strategies in ICP and perhaps WGT (but I find that one easier).

Funny because I do get kicked from PUGs because I got 15k dps without Overload, and 30k with it and I still get kicked because apparently that's not meta and bad.

Actually I quit doing CoA pledge simply because the PUGs are *** and the elitists kick you if your health is 1 point below their meta number.

Valrien

NateAssassin wrote: »

MrDerrikk wrote: »

NateAssassin wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

NateAssassin wrote: »

Yay now more elitists will kick me from their pledge group because I don't have 45k dps

this is disturbing.
very frustrating that eso allows these types of things, i hate it.

I'm sorry, but its not possible to hide low dps from experienced teammates.
Even when I'm tanking, I see how long the fight lasts and I can tell if dds are above or below average.

P.S. I've never seen anyone being kicked from a random pug for not having 45k. People are not getting kicked for posting 8-12 (well, usually).

Attempt to do anything that's not Wayrest Sewers or Spindeclutch and people will complain if you don't have 15k and if you go into CoA, if you have below 30-40k prepare to get called a noob and kicked.

Well...I and another DD with 14k dps pugged CoA for gold the other day, got the speed run easily without skipping much and got told that was some of the best dps they'd seen in the dungeon because we survived. The only two deaths were the healer and other DD right at the end of the Ash Titan because they got caught by the add on the last 2% of boss health.

The only time you really need that dps is for the burn strategies in ICP and perhaps WGT (but I find that one easier).

Funny because I do get kicked from PUGs because I got 15k dps without Overload, and 30k with it and I still get kicked because apparently that's not meta and bad.

Actually I quit doing CoA pledge simply because the PUGs are *** and the elitists kick you if your health is 1 point below their meta number.

I'm a vampire Sorcerer with 16k health and 32k Overload DPS (22k without it)...can't remember the last time I died in a vCoA

Waseem

only pledge i focus on having my most dps is when ICP is gold pledge, sometimes WGT.. oh and CoH .. otherwise i play to enjoy mostly

Zorrashi

The add on would be fine if it was still applicable to player consent. But it seems that it guages DPS from other players without their say-so.
If this is indeed the case, then at the very least it needs to be edited.

NateAssassin

Valrien wrote: »

NateAssassin wrote: »

MrDerrikk wrote: »

NateAssassin wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

NateAssassin wrote: »

Yay now more elitists will kick me from their pledge group because I don't have 45k dps

this is disturbing.
very frustrating that eso allows these types of things, i hate it.

I'm sorry, but its not possible to hide low dps from experienced teammates.
Even when I'm tanking, I see how long the fight lasts and I can tell if dds are above or below average.

P.S. I've never seen anyone being kicked from a random pug for not having 45k. People are not getting kicked for posting 8-12 (well, usually).

Attempt to do anything that's not Wayrest Sewers or Spindeclutch and people will complain if you don't have 15k and if you go into CoA, if you have below 30-40k prepare to get called a noob and kicked.

Well...I and another DD with 14k dps pugged CoA for gold the other day, got the speed run easily without skipping much and got told that was some of the best dps they'd seen in the dungeon because we survived. The only two deaths were the healer and other DD right at the end of the Ash Titan because they got caught by the add on the last 2% of boss health.

The only time you really need that dps is for the burn strategies in ICP and perhaps WGT (but I find that one easier).

Funny because I do get kicked from PUGs because I got 15k dps without Overload, and 30k with it and I still get kicked because apparently that's not meta and bad.

Actually I quit doing CoA pledge simply because the PUGs are *** and the elitists kick you if your health is 1 point below their meta number.

I'm a vampire Sorcerer with 16k health and 32k Overload DPS (22k without it)...can't remember the last time I died in a vCoA

Based on in game conversations, my 19k health 30k overload dps sorc that's not a vamp is not enough, one guy even said you need 25k health or you get kicked.

lolo_01b16_ESO

NateAssassin wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

NateAssassin wrote: »

MrDerrikk wrote: »

NateAssassin wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

NateAssassin wrote: »

Yay now more elitists will kick me from their pledge group because I don't have 45k dps

this is disturbing.
very frustrating that eso allows these types of things, i hate it.

I'm sorry, but its not possible to hide low dps from experienced teammates.
Even when I'm tanking, I see how long the fight lasts and I can tell if dds are above or below average.

P.S. I've never seen anyone being kicked from a random pug for not having 45k. People are not getting kicked for posting 8-12 (well, usually).

Attempt to do anything that's not Wayrest Sewers or Spindeclutch and people will complain if you don't have 15k and if you go into CoA, if you have below 30-40k prepare to get called a noob and kicked.

Well...I and another DD with 14k dps pugged CoA for gold the other day, got the speed run easily without skipping much and got told that was some of the best dps they'd seen in the dungeon because we survived. The only two deaths were the healer and other DD right at the end of the Ash Titan because they got caught by the add on the last 2% of boss health.

The only time you really need that dps is for the burn strategies in ICP and perhaps WGT (but I find that one easier).

Funny because I do get kicked from PUGs because I got 15k dps without Overload, and 30k with it and I still get kicked because apparently that's not meta and bad.

Actually I quit doing CoA pledge simply because the PUGs are *** and the elitists kick you if your health is 1 point below their meta number.

I'm a vampire Sorcerer with 16k health and 32k Overload DPS (22k without it)...can't remember the last time I died in a vCoA

Based on in game conversations, my 19k health 30k overload dps sorc that's not a vamp is not enough, one guy even said you need 25k health or you get kicked.

Lol, 25k hp is so much wasted dps. Even both of my tanks have less than that

For vet dungeons you'll be fine with ~10k dps, more is only needed if you want to ignore mechanics (like on icp 2nd boss). So if someone kickes you for your dps, it's either because you lied about your experience (when someone looks for a group to do a nodeath run and doesn't have a clue what he's doing, I will kick him aswell) or the person who kicks you doesn't have much experience and feels uncomfortable if the other dd (you in this case) can't carry him through the dungeon.

Function

I have been waiting for an addon like this to come out since the launch of the game so of course I want it to stay. What is wrong with other people seeing your numbers?

Ackwalan

MisterBigglesworth wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

I don't think it is a problem for other people to know my dps and hps. The game is much better when the elitists good players wall themselves off from the people who are having fun baddies who waste their time.

Fixed.

You just proved my point.

Vangy

Got this 2 days ago and I'm loving it. Makes me realise all those trash talking pricks can barely even pull their own weight. Like there was this sorc running 15k health and it made me uneasy to roll coa as a healer with him. He was like no worries bro I've done vet wgt and vet icp no probs. then in coa, die die die die and barely pulled 8-10k dps. Done vet icp/wgt.... No frigging way. Kicked that noob and got a guildie. Coa cleared in the next 15 mins.

No one cares if your build is not meta. I'm not going to complain in a pug group if ur dps is not 209288290182920k. But if ur pulling under 10 and constantly dying your wasting the time of 3 other people. You deserve the boot and no one should be required to carry you. They can if they want to heck I do it all the time. But the basics such as staying alive need to be met lol.

If you're a half decent player you shouldn't be worried about this add on. If you get kicked cos you only pulled 14k dps but you weren't dying cos of stupid then you should be Glad. The pricks who kicked you aren't the kind of friends you want to have. I have no problems with people not pulling top tier dps. The problems come in when they don't pull enough Dps, don't know mechanics and keep dying thereby wasting the whole party's time.

Overbowed

I love this addon, welcome to mmo's. You missed the rpg section by a longshot.

M_TeK_9

Ok...I play on the PS4 so I dont get the luxury of this kind of stuff....but why the hell wouldn't you be ok with people seeing your DPS? If you're that ashamed of a number you really need better things to do with your life. This type of info is included in most mmo's and it MEANS NOTHING AS TO WHO YOU ARE. It's a game. Let people see. If you let a digital number with 0 meaning in the real world impact you like I've seen here you have more issues going than your DPS.

Slayyer-AUS

This add on shows me that im doing 90% on the damage in vet pledges lol. Group damage is the best add on.

maxjapank

Asmodean wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

But allowing an addon to see others dps and healing information without their permission is the wrong path for ESO. And if this is the case, it will also soon become a required addon on the pvp battlefield, especially if it allows you to see other factions dps and heals.

While I'm not arguing with any of your points / opinions. I wanted to point out, that the way the current ESO API handles the 'visibility' of this info, and the hacky way this mod is circumventing those limitations. I can't ever see this being used in Cyrodiil. Unless you wanted about 6 fps, and 900 latency, from all of the crunching the addon would be doing xD

Actually, I believe it is already is being used in Cyrodiil.

Zorrashi

Function wrote: »

I have been waiting for an addon like this to come out since the launch of the game so of course I want it to stay. What is wrong with other people seeing your numbers?

What's wrong with people seeing my numbers? The same reason it's wrong to inspect other people's gear.
It is my information that you are snooping when it is not wanted.

If it was among consensual group or guild members, that's one thing. But this add on spys on people without their say so and (I imagine) their knowledge.

It is fine to have your standards, but it is wrong to force those standards upon others.

LadyNalcarya

NateAssassin wrote: »

MrDerrikk wrote: »

NateAssassin wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

NateAssassin wrote: »

Yay now more elitists will kick me from their pledge group because I don't have 45k dps

this is disturbing.
very frustrating that eso allows these types of things, i hate it.

I'm sorry, but its not possible to hide low dps from experienced teammates.
Even when I'm tanking, I see how long the fight lasts and I can tell if dds are above or below average.

P.S. I've never seen anyone being kicked from a random pug for not having 45k. People are not getting kicked for posting 8-12 (well, usually).

Attempt to do anything that's not Wayrest Sewers or Spindeclutch and people will complain if you don't have 15k and if you go into CoA, if you have below 30-40k prepare to get called a noob and kicked.

Well...I and another DD with 14k dps pugged CoA for gold the other day, got the speed run easily without skipping much and got told that was some of the best dps they'd seen in the dungeon because we survived. The only two deaths were the healer and other DD right at the end of the Ash Titan because they got caught by the add on the last 2% of boss health.

The only time you really need that dps is for the burn strategies in ICP and perhaps WGT (but I find that one easier).

Funny because I do get kicked from PUGs because I got 15k dps without Overload, and 30k with it and I still get kicked because apparently that's not meta and bad.

Actually I quit doing CoA pledge simply because the PUGs are *** and the elitists kick you if your health is 1 point below their meta number.

NateAssassin wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

NateAssassin wrote: »

MrDerrikk wrote: »

NateAssassin wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

NateAssassin wrote: »

Yay now more elitists will kick me from their pledge group because I don't have 45k dps

this is disturbing.
very frustrating that eso allows these types of things, i hate it.

I'm sorry, but its not possible to hide low dps from experienced teammates.
Even when I'm tanking, I see how long the fight lasts and I can tell if dds are above or below average.

P.S. I've never seen anyone being kicked from a random pug for not having 45k. People are not getting kicked for posting 8-12 (well, usually).

Attempt to do anything that's not Wayrest Sewers or Spindeclutch and people will complain if you don't have 15k and if you go into CoA, if you have below 30-40k prepare to get called a noob and kicked.

Well...I and another DD with 14k dps pugged CoA for gold the other day, got the speed run easily without skipping much and got told that was some of the best dps they'd seen in the dungeon because we survived. The only two deaths were the healer and other DD right at the end of the Ash Titan because they got caught by the add on the last 2% of boss health.

The only time you really need that dps is for the burn strategies in ICP and perhaps WGT (but I find that one easier).

Funny because I do get kicked from PUGs because I got 15k dps without Overload, and 30k with it and I still get kicked because apparently that's not meta and bad.

Actually I quit doing CoA pledge simply because the PUGs are *** and the elitists kick you if your health is 1 point below their meta number.

I'm a vampire Sorcerer with 16k health and 32k Overload DPS (22k without it)...can't remember the last time I died in a vCoA

Based on in game conversations, my 19k health 30k overload dps sorc that's not a vamp is not enough, one guy even said you need 25k health or you get kicked.

Wat. I honestly cant believe that.
And people that ask a dd to get 25k hp are not elitists, they just have no idea what they're talking about.
Speaking of meta... Overload sorcs are current meta because they can pull very high numbers. Also your group members cant see your gear so they cant judge, unless you spammed the chat with all the unorthodox gear you have.
And with 30k dps they shouldnt even notice any issues... You should be able to kill the daedroth before he gets a shield, for example, even if the second dd is bad. Considering how low average playr's dps is, I cant imagine that any pug group can blame you for that, and I cant believe that it happens in every single pug group, sorry. Even if that's true, the should be something else, not related to dps.

Slayyer-AUS

CRY CRY CRY CRY CRY LMFAOOOOOO

ralonasan

Nifty2g wrote: »

Good, sick of zos spoonfeeding players so they can lie qbout their dps as it's some kind of insecurity, now it's out there how it really is and you won't be scared to ask to fix it

This.

Jeckll

The issue is not the add on but the attitude of the players. Rather than being afraid someone might notice how low your dps is, embrace it. You want to play heavy armor Magicka with a bow? That's great and if you enjoy the game that way, just play it. What does it change when people know how much dps you do with it? Be proud, tell them that's how you love to play. Period.

You get kicked from pugs? Well either run with friends or get the next group. I can tell low dps without a add on and I bet most people can.

Don't be so insecure. Either play how you love it and defend your playstyle or change your build to improve.

sdtlc

Wait, that Deadroth gets a shield?

So, back to topic, players which care about their performance are willing to share it and take suggestions to optimitze it.

Players experiencend enought recognize bad performance without the Addon.

So, why do we need it again?

Vangy

Zorrashi wrote: »

Function wrote: »

I have been waiting for an addon like this to come out since the launch of the game so of course I want it to stay. What is wrong with other people seeing your numbers?

What's wrong with people seeing my numbers? The same reason it's wrong to inspect other people's gear.
It is my information that you are snooping when it is not wanted.

If it was among consensual group or guild members, that's one thing. But this add on spys on people without their say so and (I imagine) their knowledge.

It is fine to have your standards, but it is wrong to force those standards upon others.

They could have an option to not share this info. Then all the special snowflakes who think their dps and gear in an mmo (especially in a party where everyone's time is on the line) is private can all play together. Every single mmo I've played so far has had a group damage meter. Why do you think it's wrong to inspect someone's gear or Dps? If I'm going to a sword fight with you on my team its my right to want to know if youre going to be swinging a wooden sword cos you're likely going to get me killed. I'd quickly find a New companion who has an iron one or even better... Someone who brings a gun lol. Like it or not when you're looking for a party it's like sitting for an interview. If u failed your exams you ain't gona get the job. You can't just say oh i don't want you to inspect my previous job achievements and exam grades. However I do agree that no one should be able to inspect your gear or see what kind of Dps you are doing if you strictly play solo. In a group everyone should and must know if they are all contributing to the group. Encouraging leeching shouldn't be a thing. Like many have pointed out, most people who pug do not expect crazy numbers from members. Just a minimum competency like let's say 10k+ dps. If your a half decent player you shouldn't be worried about this. If you are a heavy armor wearing, resto staff dd who pulls 5k dps you should get kicked.

Xjcon

That's right, your busted. We now know when players are or aren't pulling their own weight. Fortunately 1 great dps can easily carry a terrible dps through any 4 man content. Better read up on those optimized builds.

LadyNalcarya

sdtlc wrote: »

Wait, that Deadroth gets a shield?

So, back to topic, players which care about their performance are willing to share it and take suggestions to optimitze it.

Players experiencend enought recognize bad performance without the Addon.

So, why do we need it again?

With low dps it does
And if you see that, you know that both dd's werent that good even without any numbers.
Imo those who are afraid that others might see their low dps are very, very naive. Its not like you can do 5k and pretend it was 15, any half-decent player will see that it wasnt good even if they cant see if it was 5k or 6.

lolo_01b16_ESO

Zorrashi wrote: »

Function wrote: »

I have been waiting for an addon like this to come out since the launch of the game so of course I want it to stay. What is wrong with other people seeing your numbers?

What's wrong with people seeing my numbers? The same reason it's wrong to inspect other people's gear.
It is my information that you are snooping when it is not wanted.

If it was among consensual group or guild members, that's one thing. But this add on spys on people without their say so and (I imagine) their knowledge.

It is fine to have your standards, but it is wrong to force those standards upon others.

Even without this addon I can see my damage and the boss total health and use it to calculate how high your dps was if tank and healer did no damage. (If they did significant damage I can ask them and use their numbers to calculate your correct dps value.)
So this addon doesn't provide any additional information, it just makes it easier to work with the information you get.

Ra'Shtar

i don't understand the complaints i love this addon a friend and i are having so much fun comparing our dps in fights (i'm the healer btw and i some times end on top haha we laugh a lot) there is nothing wrong with having less DPS than someone else.

ralonasan

Ra'Shtar wrote: »

i don't understand the complaints i love this addon a friend and i are having so much fun comparing our dps in fights (i'm the healer btw and i some times end on top haha we laugh a lot) there is nothing wrong with having less DPS than someone else.

Of course there is. When you pull crap DPS and your group can't complete the content. That's wrong.