...And I'm feeling more fine, because I know they will never install TextChat in this game...
All the negatives you listed wouldn't really affect you if you just disabled it because it would be an optional feature.
I can't see the benefit of the other feature improvements you listed when I genuinely feel text chat could provide soo much more social benefits in one package.
Again these are just my opinions, and I feel the game lacks basic MMO vibes due to lack of text chat.
Hope ZOS adds it in the near future. Peace out peeps.
...And I'm feeling more fine, because I know they will never install TextChat in this game...
My lua is rusty but the UI error which occurs on PS4 with the next login, after a player closes down the App without logging out in game first. Points to Text Chat actually being installed in game already, just hidden. The error reads as if the values were removed, and the window is minimized.
In the history of ESO many players have said X will never happen. Sometimes it did, sometimes it didn't. However we as players cannot know with absolute certainty either way. Particularly when ZOS has not recently addressed the issue.
You saying "...they will never...", I translate as you really saying "I don't want it to happen, stop talking about it."
Instead of creating just another 'We want TextChat' post, why are you not using a third-party chat client today?
Theres a reason my friends have gone back to the mmos they were playing before trying ESO, and that's purely lack of text chat. Damn shame really.
UltimaJoe777 wrote: »
UltimaJoe777 wrote: »
Really, cause the years they've spent and enjoyed DCUO, a console mmo btw, means they shouldn't expect ESO to appeal to them in a similar fashion?
UltimaJoe777 wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »
Really, cause the years they've spent and enjoyed DCUO, a console mmo btw, means they shouldn't expect ESO to appeal to them in a similar fashion?
If text chat is the only thing tieing them to any MMO then they are playing with fire playing them on consoles... Would be easier if they just played on PC.
anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
Pino, really, don't play dumb, please :-)
You know very well that 3rd party apps can only be used ONCE your group (guild, contacts, whatever) is formed, and that text chat is needed for communicating with strangers / the entire zone or area, in order to find those people in the first place.
anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
This is why voice chat is NOT needed on PC where groups / guilds / contacts are formed via text chat and we use TeamSpeak or Mumble then, while text hat is VERY MUCH NEEDED in consoles IN ORDER TO form these groups in the first place. Without text chat, how are you going to get people on to your 3rd party text chat system in the first place ?
anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
Nobody asks for text chat for group communication, people are asking for it for area/zone communication, and whispers.
I play on PC thus I'm not primarily concerned but I wonder why hardly anyone mentions that the lack of text chat hinders everyone who doesn't speak english, or don't speak it well. Everyone can learn to type "LFG gold pledge", it's more difficult to get on a mic and shout "I'm looking for a group for the gold pledge, please" if you don't actually speak english. How are you guys dealing with languages on consoles, especially in Europe ?
UltimaJoe777 wrote: »
Really, cause the years they've spent and enjoyed DCUO, a console mmo btw, means they shouldn't expect ESO to appeal to them in a similar fashion?
UltimaJoe777 wrote: »
Really, cause the years they've spent and enjoyed DCUO, a console mmo btw, means they shouldn't expect ESO to appeal to them in a similar fashion?
No. Why do you assume all the DCUO players used TextChat? They really don't.
anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
Pino, really, don't play dumb, please :-)
You know very well that 3rd party apps can only be used ONCE your group (guild, contacts, whatever) is formed, and that text chat is needed for communicating with strangers / the entire zone or area, in order to find those people in the first place.
It doesn't have to be like that. I'm a bit amused about the lack of creativity and imagination of the ESO community.
Most of us expect solutions from ZOS for everything, while you can solve many things on your own.
If I would think for 1 second that TextChat is a nice idea, I would setup a website with a chat functionality, accessible for all.
I could divide it in as many private (for guilds) or non-private channels as I want.
Dude I take you for an intelligent guy, so you must realise I'm talking about my friends experiences.
Everyone I played DCUO with, again my experience, used text chat.
Please don't try and speak about my experiences or those of my friends, thankyou.
Dude I take you for an intelligent guy, so you must realise I'm talking about my friends experiences.
Everyone I played DCUO with, again my experience, used text chat.
Please don't try and speak about my experiences or those of my friends, thankyou.
So you used anecdotal evidence? Ok. Nothing to add.
Dude I take you for an intelligent guy, so you must realise I'm talking about my friends experiences.
Everyone I played DCUO with, again my experience, used text chat.
Please don't try and speak about my experiences or those of my friends, thankyou.
So you used anecdotal evidence? Ok. Nothing to add.
I take it back, I no longer think you're an intelligent guy.
Dude I take you for an intelligent guy, so you must realise I'm talking about my friends experiences.
Everyone I played DCUO with, again my experience, used text chat.
Please don't try and speak about my experiences or those of my friends, thankyou.
So you used anecdotal evidence? Ok. Nothing to add.
I take it back, I no longer think you're an intelligent guy.
anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
I admit I totally fail to understand how you can compare a web-based application probably forcing people to switch windows (if not devices entirely) with an ingame function that would allow people to follow things up while playing.
(I don't quote the rest of your post since it would be too long, but I basically agree with what you said - without leading to the conclusion that text chat is not needed on consoles. Let me just mention that on PC, most language-based-guilds, i.e. non-english, recruit via... text chat.).
...And I'm feeling more fine, because I know they will never install TextChat in this game...
My lua is rusty but the UI error which occurs on PS4 with the next login, after a player closes down the App without logging out in game first. Points to Text Chat actually being installed in game already, just hidden. The error reads as if the values were removed, and the window is minimized.
In the history of ESO many players have said X will never happen. Sometimes it did, sometimes it didn't. However we as players cannot know with absolute certainty either way. Particularly when ZOS has not recently addressed the issue.
You saying "...they will never...", I translate as you really saying "I don't want it to happen, stop talking about it."
They experimented with, tested and evaluated TextChat on the console, maybe this is just some old code? Could be old ported code as well.
In fact ZOS was pretty clear why they didn't implement TextChat. Basically they said it didn't work out in the context of use of a console player: most of them are sitting in a couch. Not the best spot for using a keyboard and the continuously device shifting (keyboard/gamepad) isn't fun as well.
Unless the Console player would change his biotope and thus the context of use, you will never ever have TextChat. But it’s unlikely he would leave his couch soon.
Instead of creating just another 'We want TextChat' post, why are you not using a third-party chat client today?
Using a keyboard on a console is not alien, its something many few of us have done for years.
You make a lot of assumptions for someone who is constantly asking people not to make assumptions. PeopIe are not as dumb as you are making them out to be, we live in a tech savvy worldUsing a keyboard on a console is not alien, its something many few of us have done for years.
I corrected your text.
Many people even don't know you can attach a keyboard to a console.
In a very few games the keyboard has an important role.
Most game companies just ignored the keyboard or supported it very weakly. Hey, you can use a keyboard in the Console version of ESO too. For mailing. But it isn't wow. You can't switch between recipient, subject and message using your keyboard.
And that’s a bit the standard in almost every console game.
We are all trained and somehow forced to use the gamepad and to ignore the keyboard on the console.
The testers who "tested" text chat were likely the same ones who tested the control templates. Let's examine that notion for a moment. Weapon Swap is on the left directional. It's used often (every 10s with some builds) yet it's on an input that requires a player to completely take their thumb off the toggle to use. It's a un-intuitive, and many console players will tell you it's clunky at best. That is IMO a large oversight, and it is likely testers were not as familiar with using a controller vs KBM. Given that, there is the possibility those same testers were simply not very adept at typing with the virtal keyboard.
It is a huge misconception that a physical keyboard is needed to type. It's handy for longer, detailed, and complex typing. However for short and simple messages a digital one functions fine. Console users are able to message one another using virtual keyboards. They are able to input passwords and emails, credit card details and billing addresses. As well as codes for purchases. So it is not unfathomable they could also type: "VR16 Daily LF Heals" or "WTS Gold Upgrade Mats".
Also one can set on their couch and use a keyboard. I personally set mine on the arm rest. There are as well thumb keyboard attachments for both consoles that plug into the controller. Many people know how to text rather acutely with their thumbs thanks to cell phones.
Ultimately third party is outside of the game. Thus, while it might be helpful when once a group is found. It's next to useless for finding said group. It does not overcome the limited broadcast range of proximity voice chat either. If I were looking for a group. Being able to adverse that over the whole zone would allow the message to reach more players. Thereby increaseing the sucess rate.
You make a lot of assumptions for someone who is constantly asking people not to make assumptions. PeopIe are not as dumb as you are making them out to be, we live in a tech savvy worldUsing a keyboard on a console is not alien, its something many few of us have done for years.
I corrected your text.
Many people even don't know you can attach a keyboard to a console.
In a very few games the keyboard has an important role.
Most game companies just ignored the keyboard or supported it very weakly. Hey, you can use a keyboard in the Console version of ESO too. For mailing. But it isn't wow. You can't switch between recipient, subject and message using your keyboard.
And that’s a bit the standard in almost every console game.
We are all trained and somehow forced to use the gamepad and to ignore the keyboard on the console.
I take it back, I no longer think you're an intelligent guy.