The Death of the Dragonknight- updated 3/15/16

Lord_Hev

JDar wrote: »

WarlordGrievous wrote: »

100% Support DKs need some love I feel like my dk I've had since beta launch has been kicked in the nuts every patch to the point that he has no balls.

You mained the "Hero" class, so you have to deal with the repercussions.

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Jules wrote: »

JDar wrote: »

WarlordGrievous wrote: »

100% Support DKs need some love I feel like my dk I've had since beta launch has been kicked in the nuts every patch to the point that he has no balls.

You mained the "Hero" class, so you have to deal with the repercussions.

The exact bitter attitude of every other class who relishes in the weakness of the DK. It is people like you that pushed and pushed and pushed until the class I love was absolutely destroyed.

There are some logical and reasonable people who desire a 4-class game with some semblance of balance between all four. The choices we all made at launch are not the choices we make today. So until you can say something constructive please just sit down.

And listen, I know you probably got roflstomped by DK's in previous patches until you cried so much your mother was concerned, and your whole family had a long chat about how to reach out to you, but that doesn't mean the current meta of the game needs to be dictated by your SALT.

REKT

Hydrocodone

As a DK, I say your point is moot however true as the game is dead.

Muizer

I have 2 Stam DK and out of 12 slots, only 3 have class abilities and considering giving up one more (GDB). It would be interesting to have a poll on this for all classes.

PainfulFAFA

I've noticed a drop in Dk's i come across.

Its mostly templar jabspammys and NBs with their op fear spam -_-

Xsorus

the problem with DKs right now is we are suppose to be a tanky class via our gdb, problem is virtually every other heal in the game is better now.

If you are stamina based, vigor and rally heal for vastly more.. If you're magicka based.. Pretty much every restro heal is better.. Hell absorb magicka 1hd shield skill heals for more

Etaniel

Tbh I think magicka dk is in a better spot than it was in 1.6... although compared to other classes it's far behind.
The worst part atm is GDB, completely useless skill

hammayolettuce

Nailed it, Jules.

I miss my DKs

Sheezabeast

I'm glad I always play with my hubby, he's a templar and he helps with my stamina recovery as a stam DK I love stam DK, you're right about abilities being mostly from weapon trees, but it is possible, we're not dead, but we need some life breathed back into the class.

Draxys

+1000 agree, although buffing DKs back to usefulness probably won't be enough to make me start logging in again

Wollust

Much love for this well-thought out post.

And really hope ZOS takes a look at this and considers what they've been doing to the class instead of just listening to those whiny QQers that are about to ruin every other class now as well.

But yeah, I got not much hope to be honest. The combat team is way too incompetent.

Ghostbane

I've hung up my magic wands for my DK the past 2 weeks and gave stam a go again ( I've done this in the beginning of the game and got lawled at, also at the start of 1.6, and didn't like it )

Whilst still getting used to 'being' all about the green stuff, I'm noticing that I am considerably tankier. This may be due to a drop from Vamp ( which I should retry M-DK without ) but it is refreshing. This is all well and good, but I have two, or arguably, one, class skill on my bars. This is just plain stupidly, unacceptable. I'm dipping into other non-class trees in build areas that my class should provide, that other classes provide.

The whole resource management thing I am not convinced on, you need to stack your CPs and put a basis on your gear/drinks. The ultimate return on pools is only damningly beneficial on large ultimate cost. Personally, I would rather have the carebear passives (+10% regen on trolling or slot stone fist and get +20% IQ recovery) that other classes lovingly provide.

Within itself, the DK is a damned class because it needs a crap ton of CP to be moderately acceptable ( more so for Hogwarts mode )

My class doesn't just need fixed ZoS, parts of it need rethought, to keep in align with the meta you've entrapped us in.

DisgracefulMind

Mythk wrote: »

As for ultimates, standard got relatively gutted for PvP, being a 250 cost, and in PvE most players will use meteor because it is cheaper and gives ultimate back on hits.

No. Just no. Standard of Might is what a PvEr will use. Period. The only reason to have Meteor slotted would be for the extra magicka on the bar it's on.

As for the ultimate cost. Banner should be brought back to 200. There was still no reason to have upped its cost with the change to ult gain.

themdogesbite

I just decided to retire my DK yesterday, i kept on playing it even though i got AvA rank 50 cus it was always the funniest class for me to play but now i cant justify playing it anymore. Its nothing but frustrating.

Goodjob OP for creating this thread which i think shows what the majority of DKs feel like. Im just not expecting anything to really change for DKs. We arent NBs after all.

Rylana

OP pretty much nailed it.

Daymond

Not denying dk lacks in some areas but i really enjoy my stam dk. I do not know about other dk's but I havve 5 class skills counting ultimate as well that I use in my build. I can take hits, dish them out too, and sustain my stam and magic to last in long fights. I just lack mobility and an escape so if I see a zerg I have to stand my ground and fight till I get back up or die while taking some with me.

Lord_Hev

Etaniel wrote: »

Tbh I think magicka dk is in a better spot than it was in 1.6... although compared to other classes it's far behind.
The worst part atm is GDB, completely useless skill

I'm curious how you have come to this conclusion. The only true buff I can see and feel is the change to flame lash, but it's pretty much off-set by the blanket damage nerf.


I would much rather have my 1.6 DK again then this crap. I'd rather play my magic DK on 1.6, and deal with sorc shield-stacking and NBs with sharpened maces, then 1.7 overall garbage. At least there I could actually strictly solo, and not have to rely on a Templar to keep my stamina up. Or when my Dragon blood could actually heal me.



My 1.6 Coagulating Blood gave a slightly better heal... then my 1.7 DK with active Emperorship.... Absolutely absurd.

Winterpsy

I have no probs with my DK tbh. Only have a moderate ammount of CPs, 109 exactly.

Most of the time in IC unless outnumbered 1 to 3 enemy players pretty much realize its not good tackling with a DK and turn tails.
Even have a decent win/lose ration in PvP

I use a couple DK abilities mixed in with shield, weapon skills.

Dragon bloods are indeed very useless in IC with the healing nerf. Not in PvE though, it's still useful.
Escape? Never had problem with that neither. The name of the game is invisibility pot.
Also. A DK never runs form battle.

In full heavy, tons of annoying CCs and magician busting skillz, in-your-face tactics are pretty fearsome on the battlefield.
The expression on the face of your foe, when his meteor bounces back from your draconic aura. Mhmmm.

OrphanHelgen

Daymond wrote: »

Not denying dk lacks in some areas but i really enjoy my stam dk. I do not know about other dk's but I havve 5 class skills counting ultimate as well that I use in my build. I can take hits, dish them out too, and sustain my stam and magic to last in long fights. I just lack mobility and an escape so if I see a zerg I have to stand my ground and fight till I get back up or die while taking some with me.

Sounds like you are a tanky build. Its the stamina dps they are lacking skills for.

I also would like a healing debuf skill from DK other then standard of might

Lord_Hev

Winterpsy wrote: »

I have no probs with my DK tbh. Only have a moderate ammount of CPs, 109 exactly.

Most of the time in IC unless outnumbered 1 to 3 enemy players pretty much realize its not good tackling with a DK and turn tails.
Even have a decent win/lose ration in PvP

I use a couple DK abilities mixed in with shield, weapon skills.

Dragon bloods are indeed very useless in IC with the healing nerf. Not in PvE though, it's still useful.
Escape? Never had problem with that neither. The name of the game is invisibility pot.
Also. A DK never runs form battle.

In full heavy, tons of annoying CCs and magician busting skillz, in-your-face tactics are pretty fearsome on the battlefield.
The expression on the face of your foe, when his meteor bounces back from your draconic aura. Mhmmm.

Let me guess... you play on consoles?

Draxys

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Winterpsy wrote: »

I have no probs with my DK tbh. Only have a moderate ammount of CPs, 109 exactly.

Most of the time in IC unless outnumbered 1 to 3 enemy players pretty much realize its not good tackling with a DK and turn tails.
Even have a decent win/lose ration in PvP

I use a couple DK abilities mixed in with shield, weapon skills.

Dragon bloods are indeed very useless in IC with the healing nerf. Not in PvE though, it's still useful.
Escape? Never had problem with that neither. The name of the game is invisibility pot.
Also. A DK never runs form battle.

In full heavy, tons of annoying CCs and magician busting skillz, in-your-face tactics are pretty fearsome on the battlefield.
The expression on the face of your foe, when his meteor bounces back from your draconic aura. Mhmmm.

Let me guess... you play on consoles?

Was about to say... I spy a console player

Daymond

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

Daymond wrote: »

Not denying dk lacks in some areas but i really enjoy my stam dk. I do not know about other dk's but I havve 5 class skills counting ultimate as well that I use in my build. I can take hits, dish them out too, and sustain my stam and magic to last in long fights. I just lack mobility and an escape so if I see a zerg I have to stand my ground and fight till I get back up or die while taking some with me.

Sounds like you are a tanky build. Its the stamina dps they are lacking skills for.

I also would like a healing debuf skill from DK other then standard of might

Im not to tanky or all out dps I like to have a balance between dps,tank,sustain. I wear 5 medium 2 heavy.

Just to add even though i I keep a balance Ido really good stamina dps. Just not a 1 or 2 shot dps but still well to kill th person fast.

OrphanHelgen

Daymond wrote: »

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

Daymond wrote: »

Not denying dk lacks in some areas but i really enjoy my stam dk. I do not know about other dk's but I havve 5 class skills counting ultimate as well that I use in my build. I can take hits, dish them out too, and sustain my stam and magic to last in long fights. I just lack mobility and an escape so if I see a zerg I have to stand my ground and fight till I get back up or die while taking some with me.

Sounds like you are a tanky build. Its the stamina dps they are lacking skills for.

I also would like a healing debuf skill from DK other then standard of might

Im not to tanky or all out dps I like to have a balance between dps,tank,sustain. I wear 5 medium 2 heavy.

Just to add even though i I keep a balance Ido really good stamina dps. Just not a 1 or 2 shot dps but still well to kill th person fast.

Thats nice May I ask how much stam recovery and weapon dmg you have? I have 6 med and 1 heavy, feel I need the medium passives, 900 recovery unbuffed and 4,2 weapon dmg with major brutality. I like oneshot hehe

Winterpsy

Yes I do play on console. The game's the same tho.
Why you think it matters?

Yuke

Etaniel wrote: »

Tbh I think magicka dk is in a better spot than it was in 1.6... although compared to other classes it's far behind.
The worst part atm is GDB, completely useless skill

Wow, the only one here who can see things objectively. After 3 pages.

With talons back to unblockable, dk will be in a good spot again imho. Missing class gapcloser isnt much of an issue anymore, because you cant waste your stamina on perma blocking anymore.

One thing that is bothering me, is that reflective scales is broken. Its the most important defensive skill for the dk out there besides choking talons and GDB.

Daymond

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

Daymond wrote: »

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

Daymond wrote: »

Not denying dk lacks in some areas but i really enjoy my stam dk. I do not know about other dk's but I havve 5 class skills counting ultimate as well that I use in my build. I can take hits, dish them out too, and sustain my stam and magic to last in long fights. I just lack mobility and an escape so if I see a zerg I have to stand my ground and fight till I get back up or die while taking some with me.

Sounds like you are a tanky build. Its the stamina dps they are lacking skills for.

I also would like a healing debuf skill from DK other then standard of might

Im not to tanky or all out dps I like to have a balance between dps,tank,sustain. I wear 5 medium 2 heavy.

Just to add even though i I keep a balance Ido really good stamina dps. Just not a 1 or 2 shot dps but still well to kill th person fast.

Thats nice May I ask how much stam recovery and weapon dmg you have? I have 6 med and 1 heavy, feel I need the medium passives, 900 recovery unbuffed and 4,2 weapon dmg with major brutality. I like oneshot hehe

Lets see in pvp right now a noob v7(not battle lvl its bad) bout 1300 stam recovery unbuffed,1697 weap dmg buffed with major brutality.19.2k spell resist and 16.5k physical resist with unstoppable skill.Also 18500 hp and 18000 stam.

hammayolettuce

Winterpsy wrote: »

Yes I do play on console. The game's the same tho.
Why you think it matters?

Because console is not the same as PC.. For starters on console you generate ultimate faster which in return yields more battle roar usage which again in return yields better resource management.

Winterpsy

hammayolettuce wrote: »

Winterpsy wrote: »

Yes I do play on console. The game's the same tho.
Why you think it matters?

Because console is not the same as PC.. For starters on console you generate ultimate faster which in return yields more battle roar usage which again in return yields better resource management.

I wonder what are those big differences that makes console DKs so significantly different from PC DKs.
2 secs here and there?
Last I checked the stats, mechanics etc are the same. Except we have no addons.

OrphanHelgen

Daymond wrote: »

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

Daymond wrote: »

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

Daymond wrote: »

Not denying dk lacks in some areas but i really enjoy my stam dk. I do not know about other dk's but I havve 5 class skills counting ultimate as well that I use in my build. I can take hits, dish them out too, and sustain my stam and magic to last in long fights. I just lack mobility and an escape so if I see a zerg I have to stand my ground and fight till I get back up or die while taking some with me.

Sounds like you are a tanky build. Its the stamina dps they are lacking skills for.

I also would like a healing debuf skill from DK other then standard of might

Im not to tanky or all out dps I like to have a balance between dps,tank,sustain. I wear 5 medium 2 heavy.

Just to add even though i I keep a balance Ido really good stamina dps. Just not a 1 or 2 shot dps but still well to kill th person fast.

Thats nice May I ask how much stam recovery and weapon dmg you have? I have 6 med and 1 heavy, feel I need the medium passives, 900 recovery unbuffed and 4,2 weapon dmg with major brutality. I like oneshot hehe

Lets see in pvp right now a noob v7(not battle lvl its bad) bout 1300 stam recovery unbuffed,1697 weap dmg buffed with major brutality.19.2k spell resist and 16.5k physical resist with unstoppable skill.Also 18500 hp and 18000 stam.

yeah so I have more then twice the weapon dmg of yours. I sacrifice some recovery for that.
I dont know who you fighting but I never lose a 1v1 and can almost everytime win a 1v2 if I have ultimate up.
The thing this thread is about, as for my understanding, is that DK lack of good skills. I have highly experienced as a high weapon dmg stamina DK, that Dk skills are lower dmg value then the weapon and fighters guild skills. This is not even a discussion. But ofcourse other builds will work. Like putting a dot and go 1h shield shield and debuf the enemies. I dont say there is builds our there that work, but as a damage dealer (above 4k weapon dmg witch is normal), DK lack skills there is no doubt about that. Vigor for heal instead of dragon blood. Wrecking blow instead of a DK skill. No execute. Fighters guild ultimate, not even worth using the crit buff DK have because fighters guild offers more. Its a plain passive crit chance, so you dont have to slot it on both bars and activate manually after you are ressed or loading.

Daymond

Hmm i usually always win 1v1s 1v2 bout 70% depending on what class they are. Even if I do not have the weap dmg of an all or nothing dps I still do good dmg unless they are really tanky or good healer the fight will end quick usually with me as the winner. Im also only v7 dont have v16 gear so all my stat will increase.

OrphanHelgen

Daymond wrote: »

Hmm i usually always win 1v1s 1v2 bout 70% depending on what class they are. Even if I do not have the weap dmg of an all or nothing dps I still do good dmg unless they are really tanky or good healer the fight will end quick usually with me as the winner. Im also only v7 dont have v16 gear so all my stat will increase.

Yes thats right, it depends on what class you meet. If there is a full healer, I cant outdamage him, I could if I used 1h and shield and applied the healing debuf, but again, what this thread is about, is that you have to use other skills then DK skills to be effective. Standard of might have a healing debuf, but it costs too much and to easy to just roll dodge away from.
I also struggle with NB, who have in their skills, Gapcloser, stealth, reduce armor, empower buff, major brutality, high chain CC even stamina based.. etc..