Cloak Needs A Nerf

CP5

HungryHobo wrote: »

Lol, AoE is a great counter to cloak. I get away farm more times using rapid+Sprinting around corners than cloaking away. I love to kill cloakers who think they can get away and I keep AoE'ing them until they are dead.

If they were just spamming cloak hoping they would somehow avoid that damage... Most nightblades would likely use a speed buff, then cloak and rush in a random direction away from the aoes, yet so many I mark just slowly crawl in one direction spamming cloak with all their heart (likely thinking wtf cloak isn't working?!?!).

HungryHobo

CP5 wrote: »

HungryHobo wrote: »

Lol, AoE is a great counter to cloak. I get away farm more times using rapid+Sprinting around corners than cloaking away. I love to kill cloakers who think they can get away and I keep AoE'ing them until they are dead.

If they were just spamming cloak hoping they would somehow avoid that damage... Most nightblades would likely use a speed buff, then cloak and rush in a random direction away from the aoes, yet so many I mark just slowly crawl in one direction spamming cloak with all their heart (likely thinking wtf cloak isn't working?!?!).

Yea. I don't catch everyone, but you shouldn't be able to always catch everyone, otherwise what is the point of the skill? If you know how to use it it is helpful. I use it to get rid of the tab targeted status in group vs group, or I use it to purge dots, or use it for a quick rally+Vigor heal. its so easy to find. Just go around the closest corner and you generally have the slippery NB's in your hands again

CP5

HungryHobo wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

HungryHobo wrote: »

Lol, AoE is a great counter to cloak. I get away farm more times using rapid+Sprinting around corners than cloaking away. I love to kill cloakers who think they can get away and I keep AoE'ing them until they are dead.

If they were just spamming cloak hoping they would somehow avoid that damage... Most nightblades would likely use a speed buff, then cloak and rush in a random direction away from the aoes, yet so many I mark just slowly crawl in one direction spamming cloak with all their heart (likely thinking wtf cloak isn't working?!?!).

Yea. I don't catch everyone, but you shouldn't be able to always catch everyone, otherwise what is the point of the skill? If you know how to use it it is helpful. I use it to get rid of the tab targeted status in group vs group, or I use it to purge dots, or use it for a quick rally+Vigor heal. its so easy to find. Just go around the closest corner and you generally have the slippery NB's in your hands again

Wouldn't call those ones the slippery nb's. I did once however evade a zerg by heading toward a group of trees, then jumping beside a small rock to block aoes as they ran past. A bad nightblade is predictable, and the class has many tools you can use to muck with people, but the above reasons you listed are also very powerful parts of the skill that don't need the skill spammed to be useful.

killingspreeb16_ESO

BalticBlues wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

unlike Bolt Escape, there are multiple ways of countering Shadow Cloak so we want to be very careful with any change we ultimately make

Sorcs were double nerfed by limiting Bold Escape PLUS the Shield Breaker set.
Will we now see a similar treatment for NBs by limiting Cloaks PLUS a Cloak Breaker set?

What did NBs always recommed to Sorcs? "L2P"?
I rather would vote to get rid of all the "Breaker" sets and just stick to regular limits.

Look this kind of player they will never be happy,after the nerf to cloak let's say magika regen capped at 1k while cloaked they will still claim that cloak is OP etc,and comparing 2 different thing,shieldbreaker is for counter shield and the penality to bolt is for prevent the abuse,after the penality cloak will be fine(for me is alredy fine but im NB so) MAYBE even slight weak since in the game there are MANY counter to cloak,but np you will cry anyways even after the nerf.
cloak breaker set lol then add a set that negate you from bolt away,let's add many set for counter every skill in the game

Maulkin

Lava_Croft wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

As mainly a PvE player who has now been trying to PvP since IC came out.. I find those constant stealthing Nightblade's super annoying.

Although, I'm not sure about a nerf, but buffing detect potions would certainly help. I know they were nerfed at the end of PTS, but maybe bring them to the middle of what they were, and what they are now?

I rather have a nerf related to Magicka regeneration while Cloaked than buffing a potion which is so ridiculous that quaffing one nullifies your Cloak to everybody in the vicinity.

Please nerf Cloak hard and make it so Detection Potions don't nullify Cloak.

Next!

I sort of agree, not fully but sort off. Yes detect pots should not work. It's too easy.

But I do hope they don't "nerf it hard" like you suggest. They need to reduce the ability of people to stay perma cloaked that's about it. Stamina NBs will be hit more, but I certainly don't understand the QQ with that, less sustain on magicka skills is the price you pay for a stamina build. Stamblades will still be the top stamina build with the best stamina morphs and the most useful magic skills.

I'm personally hoping for more usable counters. Make Flare have another use, so it's not the most situational skill in the game. They even made changes to Fighter's Guild skills to give them a chance to proc against non-vamps because htey thought they were too situational and half the bloody population are vampires

Lava_Croft

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

As mainly a PvE player who has now been trying to PvP since IC came out.. I find those constant stealthing Nightblade's super annoying.

Although, I'm not sure about a nerf, but buffing detect potions would certainly help. I know they were nerfed at the end of PTS, but maybe bring them to the middle of what they were, and what they are now?

I rather have a nerf related to Magicka regeneration while Cloaked than buffing a potion which is so ridiculous that quaffing one nullifies your Cloak to everybody in the vicinity.

Please nerf Cloak hard and make it so Detection Potions don't nullify Cloak.

Next!

I sort of agree, not fully but sort off. Yes detect pots should not work. It's too easy.

But I do hope they don't "nerf it hard" like you suggest. They need to reduce the ability of people to stay perma cloaked that's about it. Stamina NBs will be hit more, but I certainly don't understand the QQ with that, less sustain on magicka skills is the price you pay for a stamina build. Stamblades will still be the top stamina build with the best stamina morphs and the most useful magic skills.

I'm personally hoping for more usable counters. Make Flare have another use, so it's not the most situational skill in the game. They even made changes to Fighter's Guild skills to give them a chance to proc against non-vamps because htey thought they were too situational and half the bloody population are vampires

I just want the very good Magicka skills that are available to Stamina users at really no risk at all to be much harder for them to use. A Stamina builds with an empty Magicka pool can still be very effective, while a Magicka build with an empty Stamina pool is a dead man CC'd.

And eh, more counters? Be careful what you wish for with ZOS. Inb4 Cloak Breaker gear.

MissBizz

Lava_Croft wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

As mainly a PvE player who has now been trying to PvP since IC came out.. I find those constant stealthing Nightblade's super annoying.

Although, I'm not sure about a nerf, but buffing detect potions would certainly help. I know they were nerfed at the end of PTS, but maybe bring them to the middle of what they were, and what they are now?

I rather have a nerf related to Magicka regeneration while Cloaked than buffing a potion which is so ridiculous that quaffing one nullifies your Cloak to everybody in the vicinity.

Please nerf Cloak hard and make it so Detection Potions only nullify Cloak for the one who quaffed it.

Next! Looking at you, Breath of Life bots.

Ack. I always forget about that. I do also agree detect pots should ONLY work for the person who drank it. It working on anyone else is just dumb I think. @Lava_Croft

Lava_Croft

MissBizz wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

As mainly a PvE player who has now been trying to PvP since IC came out.. I find those constant stealthing Nightblade's super annoying.

Although, I'm not sure about a nerf, but buffing detect potions would certainly help. I know they were nerfed at the end of PTS, but maybe bring them to the middle of what they were, and what they are now?

I rather have a nerf related to Magicka regeneration while Cloaked than buffing a potion which is so ridiculous that quaffing one nullifies your Cloak to everybody in the vicinity.

Please nerf Cloak hard and make it so Detection Potions only nullify Cloak for the one who quaffed it.

Next! Looking at you, Breath of Life bots.

Ack. I always forget about that. I do also agree detect pots should ONLY work for the person who drank it. It working on anyone else is just dumb I think. @Lava_Croft

Fight 24 people, one drinks a potion and you cannot use Cloak against any of them for the coming 15 seconds. I really hope a nerf to Cloak is combined with a nerf to Detection Potions.

MissBizz

Lava_Croft wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

As mainly a PvE player who has now been trying to PvP since IC came out.. I find those constant stealthing Nightblade's super annoying.

Although, I'm not sure about a nerf, but buffing detect potions would certainly help. I know they were nerfed at the end of PTS, but maybe bring them to the middle of what they were, and what they are now?

I rather have a nerf related to Magicka regeneration while Cloaked than buffing a potion which is so ridiculous that quaffing one nullifies your Cloak to everybody in the vicinity.

Please nerf Cloak hard and make it so Detection Potions only nullify Cloak for the one who quaffed it.

Next! Looking at you, Breath of Life bots.

Ack. I always forget about that. I do also agree detect pots should ONLY work for the person who drank it. It working on anyone else is just dumb I think. @Lava_Croft

Fight 24 people, one drinks a potion and you cannot use Cloak against any of them for the coming 15 seconds. I really hope a nerf to Cloak is combined with a nerf to Detection Potions.

Yeah, the detect pot nerf (in that way - that only the person who drank it can see them) I think should happen. As for my troubles, Nightblades never seem to EVER pick on me when I'm with a group. I guess I know why now.

Eejit1331

Lava_Croft wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

As mainly a PvE player who has now been trying to PvP since IC came out.. I find those constant stealthing Nightblade's super annoying.

Although, I'm not sure about a nerf, but buffing detect potions would certainly help. I know they were nerfed at the end of PTS, but maybe bring them to the middle of what they were, and what they are now?

I rather have a nerf related to Magicka regeneration while Cloaked than buffing a potion which is so ridiculous that quaffing one nullifies your Cloak to everybody in the vicinity.

Please nerf Cloak hard and make it so Detection Potions only nullify Cloak for the one who quaffed it.

Next! Looking at you, Breath of Life bots.

Or put mark target in the assult or support tree? Lol.. just a thought.

CP5

Lava_Croft wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

As mainly a PvE player who has now been trying to PvP since IC came out.. I find those constant stealthing Nightblade's super annoying.

Although, I'm not sure about a nerf, but buffing detect potions would certainly help. I know they were nerfed at the end of PTS, but maybe bring them to the middle of what they were, and what they are now?

I rather have a nerf related to Magicka regeneration while Cloaked than buffing a potion which is so ridiculous that quaffing one nullifies your Cloak to everybody in the vicinity.

Please nerf Cloak hard and make it so Detection Potions only nullify Cloak for the one who quaffed it.

Next! Looking at you, Breath of Life bots.

Ack. I always forget about that. I do also agree detect pots should ONLY work for the person who drank it. It working on anyone else is just dumb I think. @Lava_Croft

Fight 24 people, one drinks a potion and you cannot use Cloak against any of them for the coming 15 seconds. I really hope a nerf to Cloak is combined with a nerf to Detection Potions.

I wouldn't even call that a nerf. If I drank something, how would others be able to see what I see? They should have had it that way to begin with, and likely added some sort of visual like the detect eye that floats above npc's heads when they can spot you when you are wearing a disguise. Do both of those and detect pots are no longer a hard shutdown out of nowhere.

Lava_Croft

CP5 wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

As mainly a PvE player who has now been trying to PvP since IC came out.. I find those constant stealthing Nightblade's super annoying.

Although, I'm not sure about a nerf, but buffing detect potions would certainly help. I know they were nerfed at the end of PTS, but maybe bring them to the middle of what they were, and what they are now?

I rather have a nerf related to Magicka regeneration while Cloaked than buffing a potion which is so ridiculous that quaffing one nullifies your Cloak to everybody in the vicinity.

Please nerf Cloak hard and make it so Detection Potions only nullify Cloak for the one who quaffed it.

Next! Looking at you, Breath of Life bots.

Ack. I always forget about that. I do also agree detect pots should ONLY work for the person who drank it. It working on anyone else is just dumb I think. @Lava_Croft

Fight 24 people, one drinks a potion and you cannot use Cloak against any of them for the coming 15 seconds. I really hope a nerf to Cloak is combined with a nerf to Detection Potions.

I wouldn't even call that a nerf. If I drank something, how would others be able to see what I see? They should have had it that way to begin with, and likely added some sort of visual like the detect eye that floats above npc's heads when they can spot you when you are wearing a disguise. Do both of those and detect pots are no longer a hard shutdown out of nowhere.

'Realism logic' has absolutely no place in a game where I can turn invisible at will.

CP5

Lava_Croft wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

As mainly a PvE player who has now been trying to PvP since IC came out.. I find those constant stealthing Nightblade's super annoying.

Although, I'm not sure about a nerf, but buffing detect potions would certainly help. I know they were nerfed at the end of PTS, but maybe bring them to the middle of what they were, and what they are now?

I rather have a nerf related to Magicka regeneration while Cloaked than buffing a potion which is so ridiculous that quaffing one nullifies your Cloak to everybody in the vicinity.

Please nerf Cloak hard and make it so Detection Potions only nullify Cloak for the one who quaffed it.

Next! Looking at you, Breath of Life bots.

Ack. I always forget about that. I do also agree detect pots should ONLY work for the person who drank it. It working on anyone else is just dumb I think. @Lava_Croft

Fight 24 people, one drinks a potion and you cannot use Cloak against any of them for the coming 15 seconds. I really hope a nerf to Cloak is combined with a nerf to Detection Potions.

I wouldn't even call that a nerf. If I drank something, how would others be able to see what I see? They should have had it that way to begin with, and likely added some sort of visual like the detect eye that floats above npc's heads when they can spot you when you are wearing a disguise. Do both of those and detect pots are no longer a hard shutdown out of nowhere.

'Realism logic' has absolutely no place in a game where I can turn invisible at will.

Not realism, I mean I guess.. But if I drink a health potion everyone around me isn't healed. Are all of our characters wired together in on hive mind then?

Eejit1331

CP5 wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

As mainly a PvE player who has now been trying to PvP since IC came out.. I find those constant stealthing Nightblade's super annoying.

Although, I'm not sure about a nerf, but buffing detect potions would certainly help. I know they were nerfed at the end of PTS, but maybe bring them to the middle of what they were, and what they are now?

I rather have a nerf related to Magicka regeneration while Cloaked than buffing a potion which is so ridiculous that quaffing one nullifies your Cloak to everybody in the vicinity.

Please nerf Cloak hard and make it so Detection Potions only nullify Cloak for the one who quaffed it.

Next! Looking at you, Breath of Life bots.

Ack. I always forget about that. I do also agree detect pots should ONLY work for the person who drank it. It working on anyone else is just dumb I think. @Lava_Croft

Fight 24 people, one drinks a potion and you cannot use Cloak against any of them for the coming 15 seconds. I really hope a nerf to Cloak is combined with a nerf to Detection Potions.

I wouldn't even call that a nerf. If I drank something, how would others be able to see what I see? They should have had it that way to begin with, and likely added some sort of visual like the detect eye that floats above npc's heads when they can spot you when you are wearing a disguise. Do both of those and detect pots are no longer a hard shutdown out of nowhere.

'Realism logic' has absolutely no place in a game where I can turn invisible at will.

Not realism, I mean I guess.. But if I drink a health potion everyone around me isn't healed. Are all of our characters wired together in on hive mind then?

Or an invisible, speed, whatever pot. I do agree. I always thought mark target should be for everyone to see, at least the morph to see during cloak/stealth.

CP5

Eejit1331 wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

MissBizz wrote: »

As mainly a PvE player who has now been trying to PvP since IC came out.. I find those constant stealthing Nightblade's super annoying.

Although, I'm not sure about a nerf, but buffing detect potions would certainly help. I know they were nerfed at the end of PTS, but maybe bring them to the middle of what they were, and what they are now?

I rather have a nerf related to Magicka regeneration while Cloaked than buffing a potion which is so ridiculous that quaffing one nullifies your Cloak to everybody in the vicinity.

Please nerf Cloak hard and make it so Detection Potions only nullify Cloak for the one who quaffed it.

Next! Looking at you, Breath of Life bots.

Ack. I always forget about that. I do also agree detect pots should ONLY work for the person who drank it. It working on anyone else is just dumb I think. @Lava_Croft

Fight 24 people, one drinks a potion and you cannot use Cloak against any of them for the coming 15 seconds. I really hope a nerf to Cloak is combined with a nerf to Detection Potions.

I wouldn't even call that a nerf. If I drank something, how would others be able to see what I see? They should have had it that way to begin with, and likely added some sort of visual like the detect eye that floats above npc's heads when they can spot you when you are wearing a disguise. Do both of those and detect pots are no longer a hard shutdown out of nowhere.

'Realism logic' has absolutely no place in a game where I can turn invisible at will.

Not realism, I mean I guess.. But if I drink a health potion everyone around me isn't healed. Are all of our characters wired together in on hive mind then?

Or an invisible, speed, whatever pot. I do agree. I always thought mark target should be for everyone to see, at least the morph to see during cloak/stealth.

That and magelight, given the fact its a visible floating orb that reveals people that way.

Gerardopg

It's all about how the stealth system is designed, you can be just or hidden or revealed, I don't think they gonna take the time to make a new hole system that work for a single player, so there is just that way, cloack need a nerf because people are spamming it and everytime someone spam an ability they nerf it, and I don't think they make their dedisicion based on the forums, they see their data, how many night blades hot Michu time in cloak used etc etc, so it was obvious with some many people rerrolling magicka nightblade and spamming cloack they will gonna nerf it, and surely they gonna nerf it to the ground like bolt escape and the shield braker set, that's the problem when somebody see a video on YouTube and say oh I wanna be op, I gonna use that build because is the best now, well they need that build

coolermh

Gerardopg wrote: »

It's all about how the stealth system is designed, you can be just or hidden or revealed, I don't think they gonna take the time to make a new hole system that work for a single player, so there is just that way, cloack need a nerf because people are spamming it and everytime someone spam an ability they nerf it, and I don't think they make their dedisicion based on the forums, they see their data, how many night blades hot Michu time in cloak used etc etc, so it was obvious with some many people rerrolling magicka nightblade and spamming cloack they will gonna nerf it, and surely they gonna nerf it to the ground like bolt escape and the shield braker set, that's the problem when somebody see a video on YouTube and say oh I wanna be op, I gonna use that build because is the best now, well they need that build

I am pretty sure WB would be nerfed under this logic

Gerardopg

coolermh wrote: »

Gerardopg wrote: »

It's all about how the stealth system is designed, you can be just or hidden or revealed, I don't think they gonna take the time to make a new hole system that work for a single player, so there is just that way, cloack need a nerf because people are spamming it and everytime someone spam an ability they nerf it, and I don't think they make their dedisicion based on the forums, they see their data, how many night blades hot Michu time in cloak used etc etc, so it was obvious with some many people rerrolling magicka nightblade and spamming cloack they will gonna nerf it, and surely they gonna nerf it to the ground like bolt escape and the shield braker set, that's the problem when somebody see a video on YouTube and say oh I wanna be op, I gonna use that build because is the best now, well they need that build

I am pretty sure WB would be nerfed under this logic

I wouldn't be surprise if they do it, because instead of balance a game, they just nerf evertything the people use, next year we will playing with light and heavy attacks

rodderstheangry

If cloak get's nerfed, that's the last straw for me, bye bye ESO, there are so many ways to detect NBs its not even funny, all that ZOS is doing is making it impossible to play solo and causing everyone to run around in groups, a NB that cant cloak is a dead NB ffs, that's all we have, how difficult is it to use a detect pot, or any other ability that any class can use i.e. Magelight, Clatrops, Flare, Daedric Curse (in some instances) plus others?

Lava_Croft

rodderstheangry wrote: »

If cloak get's nerfed, that's the last straw for me, bye bye ESO, there are so many ways to detect NBs its not even funny, all that ZOS is doing is making it impossible to play solo and causing everyone to run around in groups, a NB that cant cloak is a dead NB ffs, that's all we have, how difficult is it to use a detect pot, or any other ability that any class can use i.e. Magelight, Clatrops, Flare, Daedric Curse (in some instances) plus others?

Anything that requires more effort than farming mobs is too much effort.

Devotion

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hi everyone, thanks for all your feedback. We are looking at several options to limit the number of times Shadow Cloak can be cast in a row. However, unlike Bolt Escape, there are multiple ways of countering Shadow Cloak so we want to be very careful with any change we ultimately make. One of the possibilities we're exploring is reducing your Magicka regeneration while Shadow Cloak is active.

Any change we make will be in a future update, though we don't have a solid time frame at this time.

Stop trying to kill classes because people are idiots and don't know how to counter. If u nerf cloak then magicka nightblade is 100% dead. It's our only defence.

I switched from dk after u demolished that class to nb and now you're about to do the same again. I'll be done
with eso if u kill nb

In fact I'm gonna go f2p until this is clarified. What are you planned to do with other skills to compensate cloak?

Wollust

My money is on Breath of Life next.

CP5

Can any nightblades who feel cloak is the only thing they have worth the class please explain how they use it and how that is so?

Kalebron

Why would it need a nerf? It's the whole reason I play nightblade. Maybe it can be nerfed for Pvp players only. As far as I can tell when I am in a Pvp zone, I am found fairly easy by skilled players. I sense some people are just jeoolous they have to use pots.

killingspreeb16_ESO

CP5 wrote: »

Can any nightblades who feel cloak is the only thing they have worth the class please explain how they use it and how that is so?

is not the only thing,but is the core skill for the class and can be countered by many things,if a nerf is coming i hope atleast detect pot stop work against cloak,maybe instead of nerfing cloak we can buff magelight/flare a bit,but is better nerf Cloak so every lazy player can "counter" cloak doing nothing,example why i need to slot something to counter healing when i can ask for nerf?
let's say magika regen while cloaked is capped at 1k what you think many player in these thread do if a NB escape from them?complain again

ToRelax

killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

Can any nightblades who feel cloak is the only thing they have worth the class please explain how they use it and how that is so?

is not the only thing,but is the core skill for the class and can be countered by many things,if a nerf is coming i hope atleast detect pot stop work against cloak,maybe instead of nerfing cloak we can buff magelight/flare a bit,but is better nerf Cloak so every lazy player can "counter" cloak doing nothing,example why i need to slot something to counter healing when i can ask for nerf?
let's say magika regen while cloaked is capped at 1k what you think many player in these thread do if a NB escape from them?complain again

Wich ones are the core skills for DK and Sorc I wonder.
Only ones coming in mind have been nerfed already, so the argument doesn't really work. Or maybe it does, except it also works for lazy players not slotting counters against scales or bolt escape just as well...

RinaldoGandolphi

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Next! Looking at you, Breath of Life bots.

Please tell me you joking, you have to be......Ahh Templar's get nerfed just for existing, we should just be called Nerfplars....

When your Class defining skill is removed from the game (Blinding Flashes) and replaced with a Garbage Beam skill that is later nerfed...then you can cry about Cloak....you still ahve your Cloak, Templar;s lost their when ZOS removed Blidning Flashes from the game....if any other class had such a skill stolen from them the uproar here would be tremendous, but us Templar's just get told "To shut up and heal" God forbid we have any survivability or do anything else

killingspreeb16_ESO

ToRelax wrote: »

killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

Can any nightblades who feel cloak is the only thing they have worth the class please explain how they use it and how that is so?

is not the only thing,but is the core skill for the class and can be countered by many things,if a nerf is coming i hope atleast detect pot stop work against cloak,maybe instead of nerfing cloak we can buff magelight/flare a bit,but is better nerf Cloak so every lazy player can "counter" cloak doing nothing,example why i need to slot something to counter healing when i can ask for nerf?
let's say magika regen while cloaked is capped at 1k what you think many player in these thread do if a NB escape from them?complain again

Wich ones are the core skills for DK and Sorc I wonder.
Only ones coming in mind have been nerfed already, so the argument doesn't really work. Or maybe it does, except it also works for lazy players not slotting counters against scales or bolt escape just as well...

Well i never ask for nerf scale or bolt,cloak have more counter bolt(let's say bolt since youre a sorc)have only gap closer and if you want root,and work ALWAYs,is not like youre casting bolt and then puff nothing only youre magika is gone,if a nerf to cloak is really needed then some counter need to be removed(like detect pot)since can't be spammed anymore(and i can't spam it anyways as stamina NB)

Rayste

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Also @Araxleon you should not cry but adapt. I think you made a nice topic for sorcs to do so. Try to think outside the box. A good nb does not rely on cloak - that´s cheap anyway!

I don't really like kicking people when they are down, but this is top top trolling! Maybe start a thread: "Why do NBs refuse to think outside the box?"

I almost spit my drink out. Haha.

Farorin

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hi everyone, thanks for all your feedback. We are looking at several options to limit the number of times Shadow Cloak can be cast in a row. However, unlike Bolt Escape, there are multiple ways of countering Shadow Cloak so we want to be very careful with any change we ultimately make. One of the possibilities we're exploring is reducing your Magicka regeneration while Shadow Cloak is active.

Any change we make will be in a future update, though we don't have a solid time frame at this time.

I don't care if shadow cloak is nerfed in some way, so long as NBs are given some kind of compensation by fixing one of the various useless skills, or giving us some other way to increase our ability to survive.