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Cloak Needs A Nerf
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eventide03b14a_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
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You are so WRONG. Both morphs give the crit bonus. So right there you are showing your ignorance. You have absolutely no clue dude. You are also calculating the 7% as though you don't get the 2% from magicka controller using the other morph, which you absolutely do. That means you are really only down 3% if you want to be technical. On top of that for all damage calculations it uses you max magicka and doesn't factor in the magicka that you don't have access to. I know math must be hard for you but it's not that complicated. You need to slot the ability and look at the numbers and stop embarrassing yourself.eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
No I'm not. Read again. I am including it. It's only 5% you get the other 2% from slotting it since it's a Mage's Guild ability, and guess what... So is Radiant Magelight! You're losing very little, unless like I said, you're build is so terrible you can't afford to lose 5% magicka.eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
No you don't. You're showing your ignorance regarding this skill. Radiant Magelight doesn't actually reduce your magicka in a practical sense. You lose access to 5% of your magicka but it still counts towards your stats. So essentially you are "losing out" on 5% magicka which unless you have a really crappy build shouldn't make or break you. What you gain instead is far more of a benefit than what you lose.Septimus_Magna wrote: »It would be nice if there was a morph for Reveling Flare that would make the caster the center for x seconds, similar to Proximity Detonation. Right now no one slots Reveling Flare because its way too slow, cast > target circle > place > throw flare animation > detection area. While the flare hits the ground the sneaky guy is 30m further around the corner.
Radiant Mage light is a less desirable option for 3 reasons:- Most magicka builds use Inner Light for pve dps/healing.
- It takes up 2 slots on your bar without having an active use.
- The detection range is fairly small.
4) You have 12% less magicka and 10% less crit chance with magelight compared to inner light.
It's an absurd DPS loss.- You gain immunity from stealth stuns.
- You and your allies take 50% less damage from stealth attacks.
- You can see invisible enemies.
I know that.
What you're not including is the +7% magicka you get from Inner Light and the mages guild passives which is significant, not to mention 10% crit.
I personally don't care too much about Cloak. I kill NB all day erryday, but for a NB to suggest magelight as a viable counter is laughable. The radius is garbage, giving up two slots just to MAYBE see a NB for a second is garbage, and cloak spamming NBs are garbage.
A ) With magelight you are still down 7% magicka for the damage calculation. I know this is hard for you to understand so I'll ELI5 for you.
You have 100 max magicka.
You slot Inner light. Your max magicka becomes 107.
You slot magelight. Your max magicka is still 100.
Got that? Good.
B ) You are down 10% crit.
C ) With magelight your magicka bar will only actually hold 97% of your max magicka.
D ) The radius on magelight is garbage. IT DOESNT WORK.
E ) I don't need Magelight.
Nobody uses magelight. There is a reason for that. You are delusional.
There are far, FAR better options. That does not, however, justify Cloak as a spammable game mechanic.
Edited by eventide03b14a_ESO on September 23, 2015 3:32PM:trollin:0 -
Xeven✭✭✭✭✭
✭eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
You are so WRONG. Both morphs give the crit bonus. So right there you are showing your ignorance. You have absolutely no clue dude.eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
No I'm not. Read again. I am including it. It's only 5% you get the other 2% from slotting it since it's a Mage's Guild ability, and guess what... So is Radiant Magelight! You're losing very little, unless like I said, you're build is so terrible you can't afford to lose 5% magicka.eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
No you don't. You're showing your ignorance regarding this skill. Radiant Magelight doesn't actually reduce your magicka in a practical sense. You lose access to 5% of your magicka but it still counts towards your stats. So essentially you are "losing out" on 5% magicka which unless you have a really crappy build shouldn't make or break you. What you gain instead is far more of a benefit than what you lose.Septimus_Magna wrote: »It would be nice if there was a morph for Reveling Flare that would make the caster the center for x seconds, similar to Proximity Detonation. Right now no one slots Reveling Flare because its way too slow, cast > target circle > place > throw flare animation > detection area. While the flare hits the ground the sneaky guy is 30m further around the corner.
Radiant Mage light is a less desirable option for 3 reasons:- Most magicka builds use Inner Light for pve dps/healing.
- It takes up 2 slots on your bar without having an active use.
- The detection range is fairly small.
4) You have 12% less magicka and 10% less crit chance with magelight compared to inner light.
It's an absurd DPS loss.- You gain immunity from stealth stuns.
- You and your allies take 50% less damage from stealth attacks.
- You can see invisible enemies.
I know that.
What you're not including is the +7% magicka you get from Inner Light and the mages guild passives which is significant, not to mention 10% crit.
I personally don't care too much about Cloak. I kill NB all day erryday, but for a NB to suggest magelight as a viable counter is laughable. The radius is garbage, giving up two slots just to MAYBE see a NB for a second is garbage, and cloak spamming NBs are garbage.
A ) With magelight you are still down 7% magicka for the damage calculation. I know this is hard for you to understand so I'll ELI5 for you.
You have 100 max magicka.
You slot Inner light. Your max magicka becomes 107.
You slot magelight. Your max magicka is still 100.
Got that? Good.
B ) You are down 10% crit.
C ) With magelight your magicka bar will only actually hold 97% of your max magicka.
D ) The radius on magelight is garbage. IT DOESNT WORK.
E ) I don't need Magelight.
Nobody uses magelight. There is a reason for that. You are delusional.
There are far, FAR better options. That does not, however, justify Cloak as a spammable game mechanic.
You're right about that, Radiant does give you crit, apparently.
Edited by Xeven on September 23, 2015 3:32PM0 -
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I edited my post. I'm right about all of it. I know you choose not to believe me, but I use the damn spell and it works REALLY well. Just try it instead of griping about things you clearly don't understand.eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
You are so WRONG. Both morphs give the crit bonus. So right there you are showing your ignorance. You have absolutely no clue dude.eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
No I'm not. Read again. I am including it. It's only 5% you get the other 2% from slotting it since it's a Mage's Guild ability, and guess what... So is Radiant Magelight! You're losing very little, unless like I said, you're build is so terrible you can't afford to lose 5% magicka.eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
No you don't. You're showing your ignorance regarding this skill. Radiant Magelight doesn't actually reduce your magicka in a practical sense. You lose access to 5% of your magicka but it still counts towards your stats. So essentially you are "losing out" on 5% magicka which unless you have a really crappy build shouldn't make or break you. What you gain instead is far more of a benefit than what you lose.Septimus_Magna wrote: »It would be nice if there was a morph for Reveling Flare that would make the caster the center for x seconds, similar to Proximity Detonation. Right now no one slots Reveling Flare because its way too slow, cast > target circle > place > throw flare animation > detection area. While the flare hits the ground the sneaky guy is 30m further around the corner.
Radiant Mage light is a less desirable option for 3 reasons:- Most magicka builds use Inner Light for pve dps/healing.
- It takes up 2 slots on your bar without having an active use.
- The detection range is fairly small.
4) You have 12% less magicka and 10% less crit chance with magelight compared to inner light.
It's an absurd DPS loss.- You gain immunity from stealth stuns.
- You and your allies take 50% less damage from stealth attacks.
- You can see invisible enemies.
I know that.
What you're not including is the +7% magicka you get from Inner Light and the mages guild passives which is significant, not to mention 10% crit.
I personally don't care too much about Cloak. I kill NB all day erryday, but for a NB to suggest magelight as a viable counter is laughable. The radius is garbage, giving up two slots just to MAYBE see a NB for a second is garbage, and cloak spamming NBs are garbage.
A ) With magelight you are still down 7% magicka for the damage calculation. I know this is hard for you to understand so I'll ELI5 for you.
You have 100 max magicka.
You slot Inner light. Your max magicka becomes 107.
You slot magelight. Your max magicka is still 100.
Got that? Good.
B ) You are down 10% crit.
C ) With magelight your magicka bar will only actually hold 97% of your max magicka.
D ) The radius on magelight is garbage. IT DOESNT WORK.
E ) I don't need Magelight.
Nobody uses magelight. There is a reason for that. You are delusional.
There are far, FAR better options. That does not, however, justify Cloak as a spammable game mechanic.
You're right about that, Radiant does give you crit, apparently.
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✭eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
I edited my post. I'm right about all of it. I know you choose not to believe me, but I use the damn spell and it works REALLY well. Just try it instead of griping about things you clearly don't understand.eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
You are so WRONG. Both morphs give the crit bonus. So right there you are showing your ignorance. You have absolutely no clue dude.eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
No I'm not. Read again. I am including it. It's only 5% you get the other 2% from slotting it since it's a Mage's Guild ability, and guess what... So is Radiant Magelight! You're losing very little, unless like I said, you're build is so terrible you can't afford to lose 5% magicka.eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
No you don't. You're showing your ignorance regarding this skill. Radiant Magelight doesn't actually reduce your magicka in a practical sense. You lose access to 5% of your magicka but it still counts towards your stats. So essentially you are "losing out" on 5% magicka which unless you have a really crappy build shouldn't make or break you. What you gain instead is far more of a benefit than what you lose.Septimus_Magna wrote: »It would be nice if there was a morph for Reveling Flare that would make the caster the center for x seconds, similar to Proximity Detonation. Right now no one slots Reveling Flare because its way too slow, cast > target circle > place > throw flare animation > detection area. While the flare hits the ground the sneaky guy is 30m further around the corner.
Radiant Mage light is a less desirable option for 3 reasons:- Most magicka builds use Inner Light for pve dps/healing.
- It takes up 2 slots on your bar without having an active use.
- The detection range is fairly small.
4) You have 12% less magicka and 10% less crit chance with magelight compared to inner light.
It's an absurd DPS loss.- You gain immunity from stealth stuns.
- You and your allies take 50% less damage from stealth attacks.
- You can see invisible enemies.
I know that.
What you're not including is the +7% magicka you get from Inner Light and the mages guild passives which is significant, not to mention 10% crit.
I personally don't care too much about Cloak. I kill NB all day erryday, but for a NB to suggest magelight as a viable counter is laughable. The radius is garbage, giving up two slots just to MAYBE see a NB for a second is garbage, and cloak spamming NBs are garbage.
A ) With magelight you are still down 7% magicka for the damage calculation. I know this is hard for you to understand so I'll ELI5 for you.
You have 100 max magicka.
You slot Inner light. Your max magicka becomes 107.
You slot magelight. Your max magicka is still 100.
Got that? Good.
B ) You are down 10% crit.
C ) With magelight your magicka bar will only actually hold 97% of your max magicka.
D ) The radius on magelight is garbage. IT DOESNT WORK.
E ) I don't need Magelight.
Nobody uses magelight. There is a reason for that. You are delusional.
There are far, FAR better options. That does not, however, justify Cloak as a spammable game mechanic.
You're right about that, Radiant does give you crit, apparently.
I tested it, unless they changed it since PTS, you never actually got the 2% from radiant, It only reduced the magicka penalty.0 -
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✭✭eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
I edited my post. I'm right about all of it. I know you choose not to believe me, but I use the damn spell and it works REALLY well. Just try it instead of griping about things you clearly don't understand.eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
You are so WRONG. Both morphs give the crit bonus. So right there you are showing your ignorance. You have absolutely no clue dude.eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
No I'm not. Read again. I am including it. It's only 5% you get the other 2% from slotting it since it's a Mage's Guild ability, and guess what... So is Radiant Magelight! You're losing very little, unless like I said, you're build is so terrible you can't afford to lose 5% magicka.eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
No you don't. You're showing your ignorance regarding this skill. Radiant Magelight doesn't actually reduce your magicka in a practical sense. You lose access to 5% of your magicka but it still counts towards your stats. So essentially you are "losing out" on 5% magicka which unless you have a really crappy build shouldn't make or break you. What you gain instead is far more of a benefit than what you lose.Septimus_Magna wrote: »It would be nice if there was a morph for Reveling Flare that would make the caster the center for x seconds, similar to Proximity Detonation. Right now no one slots Reveling Flare because its way too slow, cast > target circle > place > throw flare animation > detection area. While the flare hits the ground the sneaky guy is 30m further around the corner.
Radiant Mage light is a less desirable option for 3 reasons:- Most magicka builds use Inner Light for pve dps/healing.
- It takes up 2 slots on your bar without having an active use.
- The detection range is fairly small.
4) You have 12% less magicka and 10% less crit chance with magelight compared to inner light.
It's an absurd DPS loss.- You gain immunity from stealth stuns.
- You and your allies take 50% less damage from stealth attacks.
- You can see invisible enemies.
I know that.
What you're not including is the +7% magicka you get from Inner Light and the mages guild passives which is significant, not to mention 10% crit.
I personally don't care too much about Cloak. I kill NB all day erryday, but for a NB to suggest magelight as a viable counter is laughable. The radius is garbage, giving up two slots just to MAYBE see a NB for a second is garbage, and cloak spamming NBs are garbage.
A ) With magelight you are still down 7% magicka for the damage calculation. I know this is hard for you to understand so I'll ELI5 for you.
You have 100 max magicka.
You slot Inner light. Your max magicka becomes 107.
You slot magelight. Your max magicka is still 100.
Got that? Good.
B ) You are down 10% crit.
C ) With magelight your magicka bar will only actually hold 97% of your max magicka.
D ) The radius on magelight is garbage. IT DOESNT WORK.
E ) I don't need Magelight.
Nobody uses magelight. There is a reason for that. You are delusional.
There are far, FAR better options. That does not, however, justify Cloak as a spammable game mechanic.
You're right about that, Radiant does give you crit, apparently.
I tested it, unless they changed it since PTS, you never actually got the 2% from radiant, It only reduced the magicka penalty.
Well then it's broken, because it's a mages guild ability and it should count. But let's say that it doesn't. Is losing ACCESS to 5% magicka going to seriously hurt you that much? Honestly think about it. I think having 50% reduced damage from stealth attacks is pretty sweet. My friend just yesterday got hit with snipe and evil hunter for 20k. With RM it would have been 10k and he would have survived. Get my point? The benefits far outweigh the cost. This isnt' just a counter to NB since this is something any class could do.Edited by eventide03b14a_ESO on September 23, 2015 3:42PM:trollin:0 -
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✭eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
I edited my post. I'm right about all of it. I know you choose not to believe me, but I use the damn spell and it works REALLY well. Just try it instead of griping about things you clearly don't understand.eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
You are so WRONG. Both morphs give the crit bonus. So right there you are showing your ignorance. You have absolutely no clue dude.eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
No I'm not. Read again. I am including it. It's only 5% you get the other 2% from slotting it since it's a Mage's Guild ability, and guess what... So is Radiant Magelight! You're losing very little, unless like I said, you're build is so terrible you can't afford to lose 5% magicka.eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
No you don't. You're showing your ignorance regarding this skill. Radiant Magelight doesn't actually reduce your magicka in a practical sense. You lose access to 5% of your magicka but it still counts towards your stats. So essentially you are "losing out" on 5% magicka which unless you have a really crappy build shouldn't make or break you. What you gain instead is far more of a benefit than what you lose.Septimus_Magna wrote: »It would be nice if there was a morph for Reveling Flare that would make the caster the center for x seconds, similar to Proximity Detonation. Right now no one slots Reveling Flare because its way too slow, cast > target circle > place > throw flare animation > detection area. While the flare hits the ground the sneaky guy is 30m further around the corner.
Radiant Mage light is a less desirable option for 3 reasons:- Most magicka builds use Inner Light for pve dps/healing.
- It takes up 2 slots on your bar without having an active use.
- The detection range is fairly small.
4) You have 12% less magicka and 10% less crit chance with magelight compared to inner light.
It's an absurd DPS loss.- You gain immunity from stealth stuns.
- You and your allies take 50% less damage from stealth attacks.
- You can see invisible enemies.
I know that.
What you're not including is the +7% magicka you get from Inner Light and the mages guild passives which is significant, not to mention 10% crit.
I personally don't care too much about Cloak. I kill NB all day erryday, but for a NB to suggest magelight as a viable counter is laughable. The radius is garbage, giving up two slots just to MAYBE see a NB for a second is garbage, and cloak spamming NBs are garbage.
A ) With magelight you are still down 7% magicka for the damage calculation. I know this is hard for you to understand so I'll ELI5 for you.
You have 100 max magicka.
You slot Inner light. Your max magicka becomes 107.
You slot magelight. Your max magicka is still 100.
Got that? Good.
B ) You are down 10% crit.
C ) With magelight your magicka bar will only actually hold 97% of your max magicka.
D ) The radius on magelight is garbage. IT DOESNT WORK.
E ) I don't need Magelight.
Nobody uses magelight. There is a reason for that. You are delusional.
There are far, FAR better options. That does not, however, justify Cloak as a spammable game mechanic.
You're right about that, Radiant does give you crit, apparently.
I tested it, unless they changed it since PTS, you never actually got the 2% from radiant, It only reduced the magicka penalty.
Well then it's broken, because it's a mages guild ability and it should count. But let's say that it doesn't. Is losing ACCESS to 5% magicka going to seriously hurt you that much? Honestly think about it. I think having 50% reduced damage from stealth attacks is pretty sweet. My friend just yesterday got hit with snipe and evil hunter for 20k. With RM it would have been 10k and he would have survived. Get my point? The benefits far outweigh the cost.
There is no benefit. The radius is way too small.
This is about cloak. NBs are extremely tanky when played right. You shouldnt need to nuthug your cloak button.
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✭✭eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
I edited my post. I'm right about all of it. I know you choose not to believe me, but I use the damn spell and it works REALLY well. Just try it instead of griping about things you clearly don't understand.eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
You are so WRONG. Both morphs give the crit bonus. So right there you are showing your ignorance. You have absolutely no clue dude.eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
No I'm not. Read again. I am including it. It's only 5% you get the other 2% from slotting it since it's a Mage's Guild ability, and guess what... So is Radiant Magelight! You're losing very little, unless like I said, you're build is so terrible you can't afford to lose 5% magicka.eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
No you don't. You're showing your ignorance regarding this skill. Radiant Magelight doesn't actually reduce your magicka in a practical sense. You lose access to 5% of your magicka but it still counts towards your stats. So essentially you are "losing out" on 5% magicka which unless you have a really crappy build shouldn't make or break you. What you gain instead is far more of a benefit than what you lose.Septimus_Magna wrote: »It would be nice if there was a morph for Reveling Flare that would make the caster the center for x seconds, similar to Proximity Detonation. Right now no one slots Reveling Flare because its way too slow, cast > target circle > place > throw flare animation > detection area. While the flare hits the ground the sneaky guy is 30m further around the corner.
Radiant Mage light is a less desirable option for 3 reasons:- Most magicka builds use Inner Light for pve dps/healing.
- It takes up 2 slots on your bar without having an active use.
- The detection range is fairly small.
4) You have 12% less magicka and 10% less crit chance with magelight compared to inner light.
It's an absurd DPS loss.- You gain immunity from stealth stuns.
- You and your allies take 50% less damage from stealth attacks.
- You can see invisible enemies.
I know that.
What you're not including is the +7% magicka you get from Inner Light and the mages guild passives which is significant, not to mention 10% crit.
I personally don't care too much about Cloak. I kill NB all day erryday, but for a NB to suggest magelight as a viable counter is laughable. The radius is garbage, giving up two slots just to MAYBE see a NB for a second is garbage, and cloak spamming NBs are garbage.
A ) With magelight you are still down 7% magicka for the damage calculation. I know this is hard for you to understand so I'll ELI5 for you.
You have 100 max magicka.
You slot Inner light. Your max magicka becomes 107.
You slot magelight. Your max magicka is still 100.
Got that? Good.
B ) You are down 10% crit.
C ) With magelight your magicka bar will only actually hold 97% of your max magicka.
D ) The radius on magelight is garbage. IT DOESNT WORK.
E ) I don't need Magelight.
Nobody uses magelight. There is a reason for that. You are delusional.
There are far, FAR better options. That does not, however, justify Cloak as a spammable game mechanic.
You're right about that, Radiant does give you crit, apparently.
I tested it, unless they changed it since PTS, you never actually got the 2% from radiant, It only reduced the magicka penalty.
Well then it's broken, because it's a mages guild ability and it should count. But let's say that it doesn't. Is losing ACCESS to 5% magicka going to seriously hurt you that much? Honestly think about it. I think having 50% reduced damage from stealth attacks is pretty sweet. My friend just yesterday got hit with snipe and evil hunter for 20k. With RM it would have been 10k and he would have survived. Get my point? The benefits far outweigh the cost.
It's really not though. Especially in the sewers. I see people way before they see me, and a cloaked NB in melee range is not invisible when you're using it. Trust me on this, I actually use the morph.eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
I edited my post. I'm right about all of it. I know you choose not to believe me, but I use the damn spell and it works REALLY well. Just try it instead of griping about things you clearly don't understand.eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
You are so WRONG. Both morphs give the crit bonus. So right there you are showing your ignorance. You have absolutely no clue dude.eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
No I'm not. Read again. I am including it. It's only 5% you get the other 2% from slotting it since it's a Mage's Guild ability, and guess what... So is Radiant Magelight! You're losing very little, unless like I said, you're build is so terrible you can't afford to lose 5% magicka.eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
No you don't. You're showing your ignorance regarding this skill. Radiant Magelight doesn't actually reduce your magicka in a practical sense. You lose access to 5% of your magicka but it still counts towards your stats. So essentially you are "losing out" on 5% magicka which unless you have a really crappy build shouldn't make or break you. What you gain instead is far more of a benefit than what you lose.Septimus_Magna wrote: »It would be nice if there was a morph for Reveling Flare that would make the caster the center for x seconds, similar to Proximity Detonation. Right now no one slots Reveling Flare because its way too slow, cast > target circle > place > throw flare animation > detection area. While the flare hits the ground the sneaky guy is 30m further around the corner.
Radiant Mage light is a less desirable option for 3 reasons:- Most magicka builds use Inner Light for pve dps/healing.
- It takes up 2 slots on your bar without having an active use.
- The detection range is fairly small.
4) You have 12% less magicka and 10% less crit chance with magelight compared to inner light.
It's an absurd DPS loss.- You gain immunity from stealth stuns.
- You and your allies take 50% less damage from stealth attacks.
- You can see invisible enemies.
I know that.
What you're not including is the +7% magicka you get from Inner Light and the mages guild passives which is significant, not to mention 10% crit.
I personally don't care too much about Cloak. I kill NB all day erryday, but for a NB to suggest magelight as a viable counter is laughable. The radius is garbage, giving up two slots just to MAYBE see a NB for a second is garbage, and cloak spamming NBs are garbage.
A ) With magelight you are still down 7% magicka for the damage calculation. I know this is hard for you to understand so I'll ELI5 for you.
You have 100 max magicka.
You slot Inner light. Your max magicka becomes 107.
You slot magelight. Your max magicka is still 100.
Got that? Good.
B ) You are down 10% crit.
C ) With magelight your magicka bar will only actually hold 97% of your max magicka.
D ) The radius on magelight is garbage. IT DOESNT WORK.
E ) I don't need Magelight.
Nobody uses magelight. There is a reason for that. You are delusional.
There are far, FAR better options. That does not, however, justify Cloak as a spammable game mechanic.
You're right about that, Radiant does give you crit, apparently.
I tested it, unless they changed it since PTS, you never actually got the 2% from radiant, It only reduced the magicka penalty.
Well then it's broken, because it's a mages guild ability and it should count. But let's say that it doesn't. Is losing ACCESS to 5% magicka going to seriously hurt you that much? Honestly think about it. I think having 50% reduced damage from stealth attacks is pretty sweet. My friend just yesterday got hit with snipe and evil hunter for 20k. With RM it would have been 10k and he would have survived. Get my point? The benefits far outweigh the cost.
There is no benefit. The radius is way too small.
This is about cloak. NBs are extremely tanky when played right. You shouldnt need to nuthug your cloak button.
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✭eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
I edited my post. I'm right about all of it. I know you choose not to believe me, but I use the damn spell and it works REALLY well. Just try it instead of griping about things you clearly don't understand.eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
You are so WRONG. Both morphs give the crit bonus. So right there you are showing your ignorance. You have absolutely no clue dude.eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
No I'm not. Read again. I am including it. It's only 5% you get the other 2% from slotting it since it's a Mage's Guild ability, and guess what... So is Radiant Magelight! You're losing very little, unless like I said, you're build is so terrible you can't afford to lose 5% magicka.eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
No you don't. You're showing your ignorance regarding this skill. Radiant Magelight doesn't actually reduce your magicka in a practical sense. You lose access to 5% of your magicka but it still counts towards your stats. So essentially you are "losing out" on 5% magicka which unless you have a really crappy build shouldn't make or break you. What you gain instead is far more of a benefit than what you lose.Septimus_Magna wrote: »It would be nice if there was a morph for Reveling Flare that would make the caster the center for x seconds, similar to Proximity Detonation. Right now no one slots Reveling Flare because its way too slow, cast > target circle > place > throw flare animation > detection area. While the flare hits the ground the sneaky guy is 30m further around the corner.
Radiant Mage light is a less desirable option for 3 reasons:- Most magicka builds use Inner Light for pve dps/healing.
- It takes up 2 slots on your bar without having an active use.
- The detection range is fairly small.
4) You have 12% less magicka and 10% less crit chance with magelight compared to inner light.
It's an absurd DPS loss.- You gain immunity from stealth stuns.
- You and your allies take 50% less damage from stealth attacks.
- You can see invisible enemies.
I know that.
What you're not including is the +7% magicka you get from Inner Light and the mages guild passives which is significant, not to mention 10% crit.
I personally don't care too much about Cloak. I kill NB all day erryday, but for a NB to suggest magelight as a viable counter is laughable. The radius is garbage, giving up two slots just to MAYBE see a NB for a second is garbage, and cloak spamming NBs are garbage.
A ) With magelight you are still down 7% magicka for the damage calculation. I know this is hard for you to understand so I'll ELI5 for you.
You have 100 max magicka.
You slot Inner light. Your max magicka becomes 107.
You slot magelight. Your max magicka is still 100.
Got that? Good.
B ) You are down 10% crit.
C ) With magelight your magicka bar will only actually hold 97% of your max magicka.
D ) The radius on magelight is garbage. IT DOESNT WORK.
E ) I don't need Magelight.
Nobody uses magelight. There is a reason for that. You are delusional.
There are far, FAR better options. That does not, however, justify Cloak as a spammable game mechanic.
You're right about that, Radiant does give you crit, apparently.
I tested it, unless they changed it since PTS, you never actually got the 2% from radiant, It only reduced the magicka penalty.
Well then it's broken, because it's a mages guild ability and it should count. But let's say that it doesn't. Is losing ACCESS to 5% magicka going to seriously hurt you that much? Honestly think about it. I think having 50% reduced damage from stealth attacks is pretty sweet. My friend just yesterday got hit with snipe and evil hunter for 20k. With RM it would have been 10k and he would have survived. Get my point? The benefits far outweigh the cost.
It's really not though. Especially in the sewers. I see people way before they see me, and a cloaked NB in melee range is not invisible when you're using it. Trust me on this, I actually use the morph.eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
I edited my post. I'm right about all of it. I know you choose not to believe me, but I use the damn spell and it works REALLY well. Just try it instead of griping about things you clearly don't understand.eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
You are so WRONG. Both morphs give the crit bonus. So right there you are showing your ignorance. You have absolutely no clue dude.eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
No I'm not. Read again. I am including it. It's only 5% you get the other 2% from slotting it since it's a Mage's Guild ability, and guess what... So is Radiant Magelight! You're losing very little, unless like I said, you're build is so terrible you can't afford to lose 5% magicka.eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
No you don't. You're showing your ignorance regarding this skill. Radiant Magelight doesn't actually reduce your magicka in a practical sense. You lose access to 5% of your magicka but it still counts towards your stats. So essentially you are "losing out" on 5% magicka which unless you have a really crappy build shouldn't make or break you. What you gain instead is far more of a benefit than what you lose.Septimus_Magna wrote: »It would be nice if there was a morph for Reveling Flare that would make the caster the center for x seconds, similar to Proximity Detonation. Right now no one slots Reveling Flare because its way too slow, cast > target circle > place > throw flare animation > detection area. While the flare hits the ground the sneaky guy is 30m further around the corner.
Radiant Mage light is a less desirable option for 3 reasons:- Most magicka builds use Inner Light for pve dps/healing.
- It takes up 2 slots on your bar without having an active use.
- The detection range is fairly small.
4) You have 12% less magicka and 10% less crit chance with magelight compared to inner light.
It's an absurd DPS loss.- You gain immunity from stealth stuns.
- You and your allies take 50% less damage from stealth attacks.
- You can see invisible enemies.
I know that.
What you're not including is the +7% magicka you get from Inner Light and the mages guild passives which is significant, not to mention 10% crit.
I personally don't care too much about Cloak. I kill NB all day erryday, but for a NB to suggest magelight as a viable counter is laughable. The radius is garbage, giving up two slots just to MAYBE see a NB for a second is garbage, and cloak spamming NBs are garbage.
A ) With magelight you are still down 7% magicka for the damage calculation. I know this is hard for you to understand so I'll ELI5 for you.
You have 100 max magicka.
You slot Inner light. Your max magicka becomes 107.
You slot magelight. Your max magicka is still 100.
Got that? Good.
B ) You are down 10% crit.
C ) With magelight your magicka bar will only actually hold 97% of your max magicka.
D ) The radius on magelight is garbage. IT DOESNT WORK.
E ) I don't need Magelight.
Nobody uses magelight. There is a reason for that. You are delusional.
There are far, FAR better options. That does not, however, justify Cloak as a spammable game mechanic.
You're right about that, Radiant does give you crit, apparently.
I tested it, unless they changed it since PTS, you never actually got the 2% from radiant, It only reduced the magicka penalty.
Well then it's broken, because it's a mages guild ability and it should count. But let's say that it doesn't. Is losing ACCESS to 5% magicka going to seriously hurt you that much? Honestly think about it. I think having 50% reduced damage from stealth attacks is pretty sweet. My friend just yesterday got hit with snipe and evil hunter for 20k. With RM it would have been 10k and he would have survived. Get my point? The benefits far outweigh the cost.
There is no benefit. The radius is way too small.
This is about cloak. NBs are extremely tanky when played right. You shouldnt need to nuthug your cloak button.
I believe you when you say they're visible in melee range. If theyre meleeing theyre visible anyway. I dont need to see a nb that is only using cloak for a crit bonus or stuns. I need to see the NB that is trying to get away or heal up. Magelight doesnt work for that.0 -
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You have 100 max magicka.
You slot Inner light. Your max magicka becomes 107.
You slot magelight. Your max magicka is still 100.
Got that? Good.
Magelight is a guild ability, you get 2% to max magicka from magicka controller. So the bolded part should read 102, not 100.
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I tested it, unless they changed it since PTS, you never actually got the 2% from radiant, It only reduced the magicka penalty.
In that case it's a bug. Magicka controller is supposed to increase max magicka by 2% for every mage's guild ability slotted, and radiant is a mage's guild ability.Edited by Sharee on September 23, 2015 4:19PM1 -
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✭✭eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
I edited my post. I'm right about all of it. I know you choose not to believe me, but I use the damn spell and it works REALLY well. Just try it instead of griping about things you clearly don't understand.eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
You are so WRONG. Both morphs give the crit bonus. So right there you are showing your ignorance. You have absolutely no clue dude.eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
No I'm not. Read again. I am including it. It's only 5% you get the other 2% from slotting it since it's a Mage's Guild ability, and guess what... So is Radiant Magelight! You're losing very little, unless like I said, you're build is so terrible you can't afford to lose 5% magicka.eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
No you don't. You're showing your ignorance regarding this skill. Radiant Magelight doesn't actually reduce your magicka in a practical sense. You lose access to 5% of your magicka but it still counts towards your stats. So essentially you are "losing out" on 5% magicka which unless you have a really crappy build shouldn't make or break you. What you gain instead is far more of a benefit than what you lose.Septimus_Magna wrote: »It would be nice if there was a morph for Reveling Flare that would make the caster the center for x seconds, similar to Proximity Detonation. Right now no one slots Reveling Flare because its way too slow, cast > target circle > place > throw flare animation > detection area. While the flare hits the ground the sneaky guy is 30m further around the corner.
Radiant Mage light is a less desirable option for 3 reasons:- Most magicka builds use Inner Light for pve dps/healing.
- It takes up 2 slots on your bar without having an active use.
- The detection range is fairly small.
4) You have 12% less magicka and 10% less crit chance with magelight compared to inner light.
It's an absurd DPS loss.- You gain immunity from stealth stuns.
- You and your allies take 50% less damage from stealth attacks.
- You can see invisible enemies.
I know that.
What you're not including is the +7% magicka you get from Inner Light and the mages guild passives which is significant, not to mention 10% crit.
I personally don't care too much about Cloak. I kill NB all day erryday, but for a NB to suggest magelight as a viable counter is laughable. The radius is garbage, giving up two slots just to MAYBE see a NB for a second is garbage, and cloak spamming NBs are garbage.
A ) With magelight you are still down 7% magicka for the damage calculation. I know this is hard for you to understand so I'll ELI5 for you.
You have 100 max magicka.
You slot Inner light. Your max magicka becomes 107.
You slot magelight. Your max magicka is still 100.
Got that? Good.
B ) You are down 10% crit.
C ) With magelight your magicka bar will only actually hold 97% of your max magicka.
D ) The radius on magelight is garbage. IT DOESNT WORK.
E ) I don't need Magelight.
Nobody uses magelight. There is a reason for that. You are delusional.
There are far, FAR better options. That does not, however, justify Cloak as a spammable game mechanic.
You're right about that, Radiant does give you crit, apparently.
I tested it, unless they changed it since PTS, you never actually got the 2% from radiant, It only reduced the magicka penalty.
Well then it's broken, because it's a mages guild ability and it should count. But let's say that it doesn't. Is losing ACCESS to 5% magicka going to seriously hurt you that much? Honestly think about it. I think having 50% reduced damage from stealth attacks is pretty sweet. My friend just yesterday got hit with snipe and evil hunter for 20k. With RM it would have been 10k and he would have survived. Get my point? The benefits far outweigh the cost.
It's really not though. Especially in the sewers. I see people way before they see me, and a cloaked NB in melee range is not invisible when you're using it. Trust me on this, I actually use the morph.eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
I edited my post. I'm right about all of it. I know you choose not to believe me, but I use the damn spell and it works REALLY well. Just try it instead of griping about things you clearly don't understand.eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
You are so WRONG. Both morphs give the crit bonus. So right there you are showing your ignorance. You have absolutely no clue dude.eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
No I'm not. Read again. I am including it. It's only 5% you get the other 2% from slotting it since it's a Mage's Guild ability, and guess what... So is Radiant Magelight! You're losing very little, unless like I said, you're build is so terrible you can't afford to lose 5% magicka.eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
No you don't. You're showing your ignorance regarding this skill. Radiant Magelight doesn't actually reduce your magicka in a practical sense. You lose access to 5% of your magicka but it still counts towards your stats. So essentially you are "losing out" on 5% magicka which unless you have a really crappy build shouldn't make or break you. What you gain instead is far more of a benefit than what you lose.Septimus_Magna wrote: »It would be nice if there was a morph for Reveling Flare that would make the caster the center for x seconds, similar to Proximity Detonation. Right now no one slots Reveling Flare because its way too slow, cast > target circle > place > throw flare animation > detection area. While the flare hits the ground the sneaky guy is 30m further around the corner.
Radiant Mage light is a less desirable option for 3 reasons:- Most magicka builds use Inner Light for pve dps/healing.
- It takes up 2 slots on your bar without having an active use.
- The detection range is fairly small.
4) You have 12% less magicka and 10% less crit chance with magelight compared to inner light.
It's an absurd DPS loss.- You gain immunity from stealth stuns.
- You and your allies take 50% less damage from stealth attacks.
- You can see invisible enemies.
I know that.
What you're not including is the +7% magicka you get from Inner Light and the mages guild passives which is significant, not to mention 10% crit.
I personally don't care too much about Cloak. I kill NB all day erryday, but for a NB to suggest magelight as a viable counter is laughable. The radius is garbage, giving up two slots just to MAYBE see a NB for a second is garbage, and cloak spamming NBs are garbage.
A ) With magelight you are still down 7% magicka for the damage calculation. I know this is hard for you to understand so I'll ELI5 for you.
You have 100 max magicka.
You slot Inner light. Your max magicka becomes 107.
You slot magelight. Your max magicka is still 100.
Got that? Good.
B ) You are down 10% crit.
C ) With magelight your magicka bar will only actually hold 97% of your max magicka.
D ) The radius on magelight is garbage. IT DOESNT WORK.
E ) I don't need Magelight.
Nobody uses magelight. There is a reason for that. You are delusional.
There are far, FAR better options. That does not, however, justify Cloak as a spammable game mechanic.
You're right about that, Radiant does give you crit, apparently.
I tested it, unless they changed it since PTS, you never actually got the 2% from radiant, It only reduced the magicka penalty.
Well then it's broken, because it's a mages guild ability and it should count. But let's say that it doesn't. Is losing ACCESS to 5% magicka going to seriously hurt you that much? Honestly think about it. I think having 50% reduced damage from stealth attacks is pretty sweet. My friend just yesterday got hit with snipe and evil hunter for 20k. With RM it would have been 10k and he would have survived. Get my point? The benefits far outweigh the cost.
There is no benefit. The radius is way too small.
This is about cloak. NBs are extremely tanky when played right. You shouldnt need to nuthug your cloak button.
I believe you when you say they're visible in melee range. If theyre meleeing theyre visible anyway. I dont need to see a nb that is only using cloak for a crit bonus or stuns. I need to see the NB that is trying to get away or heal up. Magelight doesnt work for that.
You honestly cannot keep up with a fleeing NB? Are you serious? Also I can't help but feel a sense of irony that a sorc is complaining someone else's escape spell.:trollin:0 -
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You honestly cannot keep up with a fleeing NB? Are you serious? Also I can't help but feel a sense of irony that a sorc is complaining someone else's escape spell.
Someone who is invisible, moving at or above sprint speed, who knows what they are doing, can easily outrun cloaks "counters". AOE's have a delay between casting and dealing damage (you can try this easily with volley), radiant magelight has a very small aoe, I need to spam invasion on my dk to keep my target in its aoe else they can just roll out of the way. The only real reliable counter is pircing mark and that's a nightblade skill.0 -
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✭eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
I edited my post. I'm right about all of it. I know you choose not to believe me, but I use the damn spell and it works REALLY well. Just try it instead of griping about things you clearly don't understand.eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
You are so WRONG. Both morphs give the crit bonus. So right there you are showing your ignorance. You have absolutely no clue dude.eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
No I'm not. Read again. I am including it. It's only 5% you get the other 2% from slotting it since it's a Mage's Guild ability, and guess what... So is Radiant Magelight! You're losing very little, unless like I said, you're build is so terrible you can't afford to lose 5% magicka.eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
No you don't. You're showing your ignorance regarding this skill. Radiant Magelight doesn't actually reduce your magicka in a practical sense. You lose access to 5% of your magicka but it still counts towards your stats. So essentially you are "losing out" on 5% magicka which unless you have a really crappy build shouldn't make or break you. What you gain instead is far more of a benefit than what you lose.Septimus_Magna wrote: »It would be nice if there was a morph for Reveling Flare that would make the caster the center for x seconds, similar to Proximity Detonation. Right now no one slots Reveling Flare because its way too slow, cast > target circle > place > throw flare animation > detection area. While the flare hits the ground the sneaky guy is 30m further around the corner.
Radiant Mage light is a less desirable option for 3 reasons:- Most magicka builds use Inner Light for pve dps/healing.
- It takes up 2 slots on your bar without having an active use.
- The detection range is fairly small.
4) You have 12% less magicka and 10% less crit chance with magelight compared to inner light.
It's an absurd DPS loss.- You gain immunity from stealth stuns.
- You and your allies take 50% less damage from stealth attacks.
- You can see invisible enemies.
I know that.
What you're not including is the +7% magicka you get from Inner Light and the mages guild passives which is significant, not to mention 10% crit.
I personally don't care too much about Cloak. I kill NB all day erryday, but for a NB to suggest magelight as a viable counter is laughable. The radius is garbage, giving up two slots just to MAYBE see a NB for a second is garbage, and cloak spamming NBs are garbage.
A ) With magelight you are still down 7% magicka for the damage calculation. I know this is hard for you to understand so I'll ELI5 for you.
You have 100 max magicka.
You slot Inner light. Your max magicka becomes 107.
You slot magelight. Your max magicka is still 100.
Got that? Good.
B ) You are down 10% crit.
C ) With magelight your magicka bar will only actually hold 97% of your max magicka.
D ) The radius on magelight is garbage. IT DOESNT WORK.
E ) I don't need Magelight.
Nobody uses magelight. There is a reason for that. You are delusional.
There are far, FAR better options. That does not, however, justify Cloak as a spammable game mechanic.
You're right about that, Radiant does give you crit, apparently.
I tested it, unless they changed it since PTS, you never actually got the 2% from radiant, It only reduced the magicka penalty.
Well then it's broken, because it's a mages guild ability and it should count. But let's say that it doesn't. Is losing ACCESS to 5% magicka going to seriously hurt you that much? Honestly think about it. I think having 50% reduced damage from stealth attacks is pretty sweet. My friend just yesterday got hit with snipe and evil hunter for 20k. With RM it would have been 10k and he would have survived. Get my point? The benefits far outweigh the cost.
It's really not though. Especially in the sewers. I see people way before they see me, and a cloaked NB in melee range is not invisible when you're using it. Trust me on this, I actually use the morph.eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
I edited my post. I'm right about all of it. I know you choose not to believe me, but I use the damn spell and it works REALLY well. Just try it instead of griping about things you clearly don't understand.eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
You are so WRONG. Both morphs give the crit bonus. So right there you are showing your ignorance. You have absolutely no clue dude.eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
No I'm not. Read again. I am including it. It's only 5% you get the other 2% from slotting it since it's a Mage's Guild ability, and guess what... So is Radiant Magelight! You're losing very little, unless like I said, you're build is so terrible you can't afford to lose 5% magicka.eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
No you don't. You're showing your ignorance regarding this skill. Radiant Magelight doesn't actually reduce your magicka in a practical sense. You lose access to 5% of your magicka but it still counts towards your stats. So essentially you are "losing out" on 5% magicka which unless you have a really crappy build shouldn't make or break you. What you gain instead is far more of a benefit than what you lose.Septimus_Magna wrote: »It would be nice if there was a morph for Reveling Flare that would make the caster the center for x seconds, similar to Proximity Detonation. Right now no one slots Reveling Flare because its way too slow, cast > target circle > place > throw flare animation > detection area. While the flare hits the ground the sneaky guy is 30m further around the corner.
Radiant Mage light is a less desirable option for 3 reasons:- Most magicka builds use Inner Light for pve dps/healing.
- It takes up 2 slots on your bar without having an active use.
- The detection range is fairly small.
4) You have 12% less magicka and 10% less crit chance with magelight compared to inner light.
It's an absurd DPS loss.- You gain immunity from stealth stuns.
- You and your allies take 50% less damage from stealth attacks.
- You can see invisible enemies.
I know that.
What you're not including is the +7% magicka you get from Inner Light and the mages guild passives which is significant, not to mention 10% crit.
I personally don't care too much about Cloak. I kill NB all day erryday, but for a NB to suggest magelight as a viable counter is laughable. The radius is garbage, giving up two slots just to MAYBE see a NB for a second is garbage, and cloak spamming NBs are garbage.
A ) With magelight you are still down 7% magicka for the damage calculation. I know this is hard for you to understand so I'll ELI5 for you.
You have 100 max magicka.
You slot Inner light. Your max magicka becomes 107.
You slot magelight. Your max magicka is still 100.
Got that? Good.
B ) You are down 10% crit.
C ) With magelight your magicka bar will only actually hold 97% of your max magicka.
D ) The radius on magelight is garbage. IT DOESNT WORK.
E ) I don't need Magelight.
Nobody uses magelight. There is a reason for that. You are delusional.
There are far, FAR better options. That does not, however, justify Cloak as a spammable game mechanic.
You're right about that, Radiant does give you crit, apparently.
I tested it, unless they changed it since PTS, you never actually got the 2% from radiant, It only reduced the magicka penalty.
Well then it's broken, because it's a mages guild ability and it should count. But let's say that it doesn't. Is losing ACCESS to 5% magicka going to seriously hurt you that much? Honestly think about it. I think having 50% reduced damage from stealth attacks is pretty sweet. My friend just yesterday got hit with snipe and evil hunter for 20k. With RM it would have been 10k and he would have survived. Get my point? The benefits far outweigh the cost.
There is no benefit. The radius is way too small.
This is about cloak. NBs are extremely tanky when played right. You shouldnt need to nuthug your cloak button.
I believe you when you say they're visible in melee range. If theyre meleeing theyre visible anyway. I dont need to see a nb that is only using cloak for a crit bonus or stuns. I need to see the NB that is trying to get away or heal up. Magelight doesnt work for that.
You honestly cannot keep up with a fleeing NB? Are you serious? Also I can't help but feel a sense of irony that a sorc is complaining someone else's escape spell.
Dude... Do not put words into my mouth. I catch 99% of all fleeing NB and I dont need magelight to do it. The argument was about magelight being viable, not about any problems that I am having.
In fact I dont think cloak really needs to be nerfed. I do think it can breed some pretty unsportsman-like gameplay however.0 -
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✭✭✭You NB only have yourselves to blame since you all scream nerf on any class you can't sneak attack and kill, and if you can't win the fight you press your "I win" button. Where was all the L2P when the NB community screams nerf at everyone else... Hypocrites... Cloak is getting the hammer because you all abused your abilities, lied about how OP it is and cried about all the other classes. If it is simply a lack of regen during cloak, cloak will still be OP as NB can just stack cost reduction and increase the magicka pool. Please balance cloak and increase the penalty for use as they only need it a few times.
Oh, so it's all NB's? And just NB's? Come on, be for real, now. Why can't we come together as a community, instead of each class tearing the others down?
I agree. I read a few active posters profiles of this thread and they are clearly a different class ( Sorc ) that have something against NBs.
I don't understand what the problem is.. what is it?
- you were fighting someone and they got away?
- you don't like that I enjoy using the same skill over and over?
- you think the game should be played your way?
- Your class got nerfed and now you want another class to get nerfed?
Be careful what you wish for because if they do nerf NBs cloaking it could affect all classes like the Stam nerf.
I agree with people on here; some players, including myself, just don't know how to use the skills they have.
Just for the record:
I voted no for bolt escape nerf
I voted no for perma blocking nerf
I voted no for dodge roll nerf
I voted yes to text chat for console and i don't play console
Edited by vamp_emily on September 23, 2015 4:48PM
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✭✭Dude... Do not put words into my mouth. I catch 99% of all fleeing NB and I dont need magelight to do it. The argument was about magelight being viable, not about any problems that I am having.
In fact I dont think cloak really needs to be nerfed. I do think it can breed some pretty unsportsman-like gameplay however.
Your words:I dont need to see a nb that is only using cloak for a crit bonus or stuns. I need to see the NB that is trying to get away or heal up.
It's either a problem for you, or it isn't. I'm going to come out and say it. You're a liar. You have never actually used the spell and you barely remember what the tooltip said.:trollin:3 -
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You honestly cannot keep up with a fleeing NB? Are you serious? Also I can't help but feel a sense of irony that a sorc is complaining someone else's escape spell.
Someone who is invisible, moving at or above sprint speed, who knows what they are doing, can easily outrun cloaks "counters". AOE's have a delay between casting and dealing damage (you can try this easily with volley), radiant magelight has a very small aoe, I need to spam invasion on my dk to keep my target in its aoe else they can just roll out of the way. The only real reliable counter is pircing mark and that's a nightblade skill.
im not moving at sprint speed while cloaked so please,some player know how to counter cloak other don't,NB mark is an hard counter mark a nb and make the skill USELESS,so just say it i want a skill like detect pot spammable,people in this thread want just that,you have the counter but refuse to slot because they are "unreliable"they work for many player so,maybe flare is not reliable so we can buff that skill,but stop trying to make excuse like but cloak is not the onyl thing NB have,well Shield are not the only thing sorc have and look how sorc are crying about that useless setEdited by killingspreeb16_ESO on September 23, 2015 5:17PM1 -
Eejit1331✭✭✭eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
Abused because you're a terrible player that can't manage to counter a rather harmless utility? ROTFLMFAOSneaky-Snurr wrote: »
@CP5I'm sorry, but if you are unable to see all the other skills that nightblades can use to not only set themselves apart from the other classes, but also do things no other class can, that is not on me. Cloak is one skill, and if you feel that is the only thing the class is good with, if it's the thing the class needs. The nightblade as a class has a lot going for it, and a lot of choice. I myself am trying to cut cloak out of all my bars because I feel like I use to too much, I find myself frequently avoiding death in most situations and its utility is almost unmatched by most everything else in game. I can't do anything more to tell some people that nightblades aren't only cloak, but I guess everything else the class offers isn't enough.
If that's the case, then you'd be surprised as to how every single NBs consider Cloak as their core skill because, again, NBs are stealth specialists. We depend a lot on stealth in tandem to trickery. Of course we have a lot of other abilities but do you honestly think a lot of NBs use the less popular skills? Indeed, they don't. There's a reason why NBs don't use the so-called less popular abilities. Why? Because they're extremely useless in any circumstances. The abilities I'm talking about do not provide substantial soft CCs nor heals and the effects are easily breakable. Don't even bother on the damage because it is just extremely weak. As a matter of fact, I'll explain why below.
@CP5Can any nightblades who feel cloak is the only thing they have worth the class please explain how they use it and how that is so?
Cloak is useful for a buttload of reasons.
Health, stam and to a certain extent, magicka regens are one of them.
Another reason is that we NBs don't have reliable self-heals. No insta heals or reliable DoTs so we rely a lot on Cloak for regen as our means of sustain. Nerf Cloak and what do we have left? We don't even have shields or reliable damage mitigation buffs (Blur is hardly a mitigation buff with no synergies and you know it's true).
And as I've said before, Cloak has a few useful hard synergies and nerfing Cloak would render them useless.
Also, it is our only effective damage mitigation skills (it is still broken however).
There are more points on this but I'll leave that to other NBs so you'll know how crucial the skill is to us as our means of sustainability.
@Eejit1331This is only a core skill to a L2P NB noob. NB have plenty of good abilities. You just have to think outside the OP Cloak box. Don't worry, you'll adapt as all the other classes have. Cheers!
It's funny that you mentioned L2P. @blur has no problems countering Cloaked NBs so the question really begs to prove who's really having the L2P issue? Him or the ones asking for a Cloak nerf because 'OMG it's too powerful bring out the Nerf Hammer!'? You decide.
Why yell for the nerf when someone else can actually counter Cloak easily? He is even generous enough to point out how to counter Cloak.
Should you need to know why your claims that NBs have plenty of good abilities are rather invalid, refer to my responses above. I mean sure we have good ones but they're among the few.
And it funny that YOU think NB are doomed if regen is removed during cloak. Give me a break. No one is buying the garbage being sold here. Like I said, as a magicka user, with spell gear on, I can still cloak/go invisible for around a full minte. This is nothing in comparison to the nerf to reflect or bol and they still survived. Cloak is being abused and time for the hammer.
Maybe if you used more than one skill. Your abuse and all the other L2P NB abusing the ability is the reason for the nerf. At the end of the thread, your favorite ability is be hammered. ROTFLMFAOEdited by ZOS_Alex on September 23, 2015 7:37PM0 -
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Eejit1331✭✭✭killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »Nightblades seem to be gladly glazing over the fact that yes, at release they were broken but ever since they have received many powerful buffs and a lot of bug fixes. To those saying that only recently (will say past 4ish months) have they became strong, or that they lack survivability outside of cloak spam, would a list of all the changes the class has received since launch or a rundown of all the classes skills and passives be enough to prove otherwise? You build to be a glass cannon expect to be one, and if you willingly disregard skills to help...
Just slot Radiant Magelight or drink potions. Beyond that L2P maybe?
Learn to think outside the box because the hammer is comming
beyond that, L2P maybe?
after the nerf you will still here crying about cloak anyways,some player know how to counter my cloak pretty well other well are here to cry on the forum.
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✭eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »Dude... Do not put words into my mouth. I catch 99% of all fleeing NB and I dont need magelight to do it. The argument was about magelight being viable, not about any problems that I am having.
In fact I dont think cloak really needs to be nerfed. I do think it can breed some pretty unsportsman-like gameplay however.
Your words:I dont need to see a nb that is only using cloak for a crit bonus or stuns. I need to see the NB that is trying to get away or heal up.
It's either a problem for you, or it isn't. I'm going to come out and say it. You're a liar. You have never actually used the spell and you barely remember what the tooltip said.
You clipped my statement and quoted me out of context because it served your Adhominem purposes. Mage light doesnt provide what I need. Pots do.
Nowhere did I say that I had a problem with cloak. I have a problem with people who promote Radiant as the optimal solution.
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✭✭✭✭✭eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
I don't need to L2P, I know how to counter different play styles instead of crying on the forums about what a horrible player I am.eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »Nightblades seem to be gladly glazing over the fact that yes, at release they were broken but ever since they have received many powerful buffs and a lot of bug fixes. To those saying that only recently (will say past 4ish months) have they became strong, or that they lack survivability outside of cloak spam, would a list of all the changes the class has received since launch or a rundown of all the classes skills and passives be enough to prove otherwise? You build to be a glass cannon expect to be one, and if you willingly disregard skills to help...
Just slot Radiant Magelight or drink potions. Beyond that L2P maybe?
Learn to think outside the box because the hammer is comming beyond that, L2P maybe?
That´s the best logic. You can´t fail if you consider yourself superior to everyone else. Since you did the same in some topics regarding shieldbreaker and told sorcs to get better i guess it´s time for the sorcs to tell you to get better and adapt. You´ll eventually get over it
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The problem is cloak, not stealth. This is coming from a person that plays a magicka NB. I know what I can and can't do and Cloak is very strong versus all the nerfed classes. If the other classes weren't nerfed, it would be on par, but as it stands Cloak is top dog and even more so with reduced damage. (For escaping fight, taking stones back without dieing and taunting adds to other players who don't have cloak and cheesing thier stones) I have zero issues fighting a NB. Why fight fight a NB when I can farm sorcs, temps and Dk). The system in IC is perfect for cloak. Honestly, nerf Cloak or buff the other classes. I just want to see more balance. The real problem is the power of purge and Cloak combined into on ability.1 -
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✭eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »You're a liar.
You just proved me right. You wanted to prove me wrong, found out I was right, then made this thread to complain about it.
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✭✭✭✭✭eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
I edited my post. I'm right about all of it. I know you choose not to believe me, but I use the damn spell and it works REALLY well. Just try it instead of griping about things you clearly don't understand.eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
You are so WRONG. Both morphs give the crit bonus. So right there you are showing your ignorance. You have absolutely no clue dude.eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
No I'm not. Read again. I am including it. It's only 5% you get the other 2% from slotting it since it's a Mage's Guild ability, and guess what... So is Radiant Magelight! You're losing very little, unless like I said, you're build is so terrible you can't afford to lose 5% magicka.eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
No you don't. You're showing your ignorance regarding this skill. Radiant Magelight doesn't actually reduce your magicka in a practical sense. You lose access to 5% of your magicka but it still counts towards your stats. So essentially you are "losing out" on 5% magicka which unless you have a really crappy build shouldn't make or break you. What you gain instead is far more of a benefit than what you lose.Septimus_Magna wrote: »It would be nice if there was a morph for Reveling Flare that would make the caster the center for x seconds, similar to Proximity Detonation. Right now no one slots Reveling Flare because its way too slow, cast > target circle > place > throw flare animation > detection area. While the flare hits the ground the sneaky guy is 30m further around the corner.
Radiant Mage light is a less desirable option for 3 reasons:- Most magicka builds use Inner Light for pve dps/healing.
- It takes up 2 slots on your bar without having an active use.
- The detection range is fairly small.
4) You have 12% less magicka and 10% less crit chance with magelight compared to inner light.
It's an absurd DPS loss.- You gain immunity from stealth stuns.
- You and your allies take 50% less damage from stealth attacks.
- You can see invisible enemies.
I know that.
What you're not including is the +7% magicka you get from Inner Light and the mages guild passives which is significant, not to mention 10% crit.
I personally don't care too much about Cloak. I kill NB all day erryday, but for a NB to suggest magelight as a viable counter is laughable. The radius is garbage, giving up two slots just to MAYBE see a NB for a second is garbage, and cloak spamming NBs are garbage.
A ) With magelight you are still down 7% magicka for the damage calculation. I know this is hard for you to understand so I'll ELI5 for you.
You have 100 max magicka.
You slot Inner light. Your max magicka becomes 107.
You slot magelight. Your max magicka is still 100.
Got that? Good.
B ) You are down 10% crit.
C ) With magelight your magicka bar will only actually hold 97% of your max magicka.
D ) The radius on magelight is garbage. IT DOESNT WORK.
E ) I don't need Magelight.
Nobody uses magelight. There is a reason for that. You are delusional.
There are far, FAR better options. That does not, however, justify Cloak as a spammable game mechanic.
You're right about that, Radiant does give you crit, apparently.
Why I use Detect Pots and not Radiant Magelight:- I DPS in a competitive PvE guild. They invite the highest DPS. I would have to respeck every single time I logged into Cyrodiil. Not happening.
- No other class demands that I devote 2 skill slots, that do not do much else, just to counter them. All it does if give me a little extra crit which is of dubious value because of the prevalence of damage shields. It is absolutely worthless for stamina builds.
- The skill is passive/defensive and isn't very good at actually hunting down cloaked NBs. If you are a NB of any skill, you can stay 8 meters away from me with ease (6 if you are a cat). It used to be marginal for finding non-nightblades who were more or less immobile when they tried to stay stealthed when sneaking completely cut off stamina regen, but that is all.
- For every time the skill prevents a stealthed attack, there are five other times when I am put at a disadvantage to another enemy because I did not have blazing shield or crushing shock slotted. That is an unacceptable opportunity cost.
This does not mean the skill is a poor defensive counter against cloak. It isn't. It means the price paid for the specific function is 9 times out of 10 too high. The only time I use radiant magelight is on my healer (my raid guild does not require me to DPS) when I am traveling alone on horseback through notorious ganking territory or in my own factions sewer area only because odds are I will be pitted against a NB opponent as opposed to the other three classes. Against the others, Radiant magelight puts me at a disadvantage so it doesn't get used.
What I, and I think most people want, is a skill that uses one slot on our bar that allows for active/offensive counter-play against cloaked NBs. Ideally this skill has some other functionality. Flare is trash. Currently, NBs are the only class that possess such a skill.
You can keep insisting we are nubs who need to L2P and that's your prerogative. Just be aware the OP is one of the best players in the game [Edit: This does *not* mean he is right or I agree with him. Just that his position should not be just be discarded as a inexperienced player who doesn't understand the game] looked what happened to all those sorcerers who also said the PvP community was full of whiny skilless players. Ask them how the bolt escape nerf and shieldbreaker sets are working out.Edited by Joy_Division on September 23, 2015 7:00PM4 -
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✭✭eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »
Abused because you're a terrible player that can't manage to counter a rather harmless utility? ROTFLMFAOSneaky-Snurr wrote: »
@CP5I'm sorry, but if you are unable to see all the other skills that nightblades can use to not only set themselves apart from the other classes, but also do things no other class can, that is not on me. Cloak is one skill, and if you feel that is the only thing the class is good with, if it's the thing the class needs. The nightblade as a class has a lot going for it, and a lot of choice. I myself am trying to cut cloak out of all my bars because I feel like I use to too much, I find myself frequently avoiding death in most situations and its utility is almost unmatched by most everything else in game. I can't do anything more to tell some people that nightblades aren't only cloak, but I guess everything else the class offers isn't enough.
If that's the case, then you'd be surprised as to how every single NBs consider Cloak as their core skill because, again, NBs are stealth specialists. We depend a lot on stealth in tandem to trickery. Of course we have a lot of other abilities but do you honestly think a lot of NBs use the less popular skills? Indeed, they don't. There's a reason why NBs don't use the so-called less popular abilities. Why? Because they're extremely useless in any circumstances. The abilities I'm talking about do not provide substantial soft CCs nor heals and the effects are easily breakable. Don't even bother on the damage because it is just extremely weak. As a matter of fact, I'll explain why below.
@CP5Can any nightblades who feel cloak is the only thing they have worth the class please explain how they use it and how that is so?
Cloak is useful for a buttload of reasons.
Health, stam and to a certain extent, magicka regens are one of them.
Another reason is that we NBs don't have reliable self-heals. No insta heals or reliable DoTs so we rely a lot on Cloak for regen as our means of sustain. Nerf Cloak and what do we have left? We don't even have shields or reliable damage mitigation buffs (Blur is hardly a mitigation buff with no synergies and you know it's true).
And as I've said before, Cloak has a few useful hard synergies and nerfing Cloak would render them useless.
Also, it is our only effective damage mitigation skills (it is still broken however).
There are more points on this but I'll leave that to other NBs so you'll know how crucial the skill is to us as our means of sustainability.
@Eejit1331This is only a core skill to a L2P NB noob. NB have plenty of good abilities. You just have to think outside the OP Cloak box. Don't worry, you'll adapt as all the other classes have. Cheers!
It's funny that you mentioned L2P. @blur has no problems countering Cloaked NBs so the question really begs to prove who's really having the L2P issue? Him or the ones asking for a Cloak nerf because 'OMG it's too powerful bring out the Nerf Hammer!'? You decide.
Why yell for the nerf when someone else can actually counter Cloak easily? He is even generous enough to point out how to counter Cloak.
Should you need to know why your claims that NBs have plenty of good abilities are rather invalid, refer to my responses above. I mean sure we have good ones but they're among the few.
And it funny that YOU think NB are doomed if regen is removed during cloak. Give me a break. No one is buying the garbage being sold here. Like I said, as a magicka user, with spell gear on, I can still cloak/go invisible for around a full minte. This is nothing in comparison to the nerf to reflect or bol and they still survived. Cloak is being abused and time for the hammer.
Maybe if you used more than one skill. Your abuse and all the other L2P NB abusing the ability is the reason for the nerf. At the end of the thread, your favorite ability is be hammered. ROTFLMFAO
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@Eejit1331And it funny that YOU think NB are doomed if regen is removed during cloak. Give me a break. No one is buying the garbage being sold here. Like I said, as a magicka user, with spell gear on, I can still cloak/go invisible for around a full minte. This is nothing in comparison to the nerf to reflect or bol and they still survived. Cloak is being abused and time for the hammer.
See? That's the problem there. I've bolded the words so people can see. Whenever someone is getting the nerf hammer ready, they don't look at the 'problem' (when there's actually none) as a whole, they take it from one side only and you are no different than them. Your scope is extremely narrow, friend.
That being said, what about stam users? I'm starting to believe you don't even play NB completely. You stick on one end only and that's magicka side. That just proves to me and everyone here that you don't main as a NB and you don't know the ins and outs of this class. Have you considered the class as a whole? Please roll a stam NB and then you'll see what I mean. Plus, what you stated is pure exaggeration. No NBs can ever go invisible for almost a minute. Even if it's geared for cloaking only, it might have a chance to get near the minute mark. What you're asking from this nerf is that all NB players will be forced to go magicka build and thus, reviving the dreaded StickBlade.Edited by Sneaky-Snurr on September 23, 2015 6:35PMThe Order of the Shadows: Nightmare-
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blur✭✭✭✭Joy_Division wrote: ». Just be aware the OP is one of the best players in the game and looked what happened to all those sorcerers who also said the PvP community was full of whiny skilless players.
And the other group of "best players" who disagree with your and OPs stance?
What about them?
You guys ARE whining and there are 16 pages of it. Instead of addressing real issues like game mechanics you would rather cherry pick class abilities and further screw up the game. This is a vicious cycle of whining for change further plummeting the game down a broken imbalanced path.
edit: I mean for crying out loud, Gina Bruno already responded to this thread and you are all still bickering back and forth. It's so bad by the time I post this message someone else has already posted once or twice.Edited by blur on September 23, 2015 6:34PM3 -
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✭✭✭Hydrocodone wrote: »I've noticed that Cloak is the only skill in this game that can de agro the sweeper bosses. Try and run past a Boss while using an invisibilty potion. Also I've come to the conclusion that 90% of cloak spamming gankers are parasitic sociopaths. They're not much fun to be around. If people don't play ZOS makes no money on the crown store etc. So it makes fiscal sense to address this ASAP.
And you think that nerfing is the solution to get more people to play?
I think this might be the best solution:
1. Leveling - TAKES TO LONG. You start out at lvl V16
2. Crafting - TAKES TO LONG.. you start out at lvl 50.
3. Vampire/WW - You have the skill line available when you create the account.
4. Classes, you can flip flop between classes any time you want.
5. Skills - no reason to complain. You get them all.
6. CP - you start out at 300CP, and we give you the option to add more if you like.
7. All mounts are free
8. All Clothing is free
9. All Armor is free
10. All Potions are free
11. All food is free
And for all you ESO+ members, if you see a skill that someone is using, you can log in and disable it so that skill can not be used against you.
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✭✭✭✭✭Sneaky-Snurr wrote: »
@Eejit1331And it funny that YOU think NB are doomed if regen is removed during cloak. Give me a break. No one is buying the garbage being sold here. Like I said, as a magicka user, with spell gear on, I can still cloak/go invisible for around a full minte. This is nothing in comparison to the nerf to reflect or bol and they still survived. Cloak is being abused and time for the hammer.
See? That's the problem there. I've bolded the words so people can see. Whenever someone is getting the nerf hammer ready, they don't look the 'problem' as a whole, they take it from one side only and you are no different than them. Your scope is extremely narrow, friend.
That being said, what about stam users? I'm starting to believe you don't even play NB completely. You stick on one end only and that's magicka side. That just proves to me and everyone here that you don't main as a NB and you don't know the ins and outs of this class. Have you considered the class as a whole? Please roll a stam NB and then you'll see what I mean.
Thats the problem. When looking at imbalances you have to look at a build that is optimised to use a skill to it´s fullest potential. This is why shields and bolt escape became a problem in the first place. Nobody would argue streak was to strong on a stamina sorc.
You can´t argue - it´s not a problem on a stam nb using food. That´s like saying stamina sorcs don´t use their shields therefor shieldbreaker has to be patched out of the game.<Noricum>
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