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nightblade cloak is absolutely ridiculous
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Xeven✭✭✭✭✭
✭In the UFC, kicking your opponent in the nuts is illegal.
In the UFC, turning invisible, then kicking your opponent in the nuts is automatic disqualification.
Seriously though, Shadow Cloak is not sportsman like. It's a really stupid mechanic and I think NB should get a shield or a heal or something else instead.
Edited by Xeven on September 8, 2015 4:41AM2 -
Mitchblue✭✭✭✭If it's nerfed then also get rid of mage light, mark, invisible potions etc. Allow it to be a true cloak, where no one knows where you are.Anyone else rooting for Molag Bal?2 -
templesus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Forumer-in-Prison wrote: »Malpherian wrote: »As a nightblade, I can say that the cloak is actually under powered. You simply aren't useing the 50 million skills in the game to counter it.
IE - Equip magelight - Problem solved.
-Stun / CC night blade
- Kill nightblade.
Nightblade is one of the weakest classes in the game, yea we have good burst DPS and escape skills, because were so squishy and easy to kill it's pathetic.
If 2 of you were not able to kill a night-blade of close to the same level and gear, it's not the night blade, it's you, your gear, and your skills.
Magicka NB can shield stack and cloak 24/7
All classes who equip a resto staff and light armor can shield stack.
You cannot cloak 24/7 if you are right in the middle of a perfectly placed caltrop, or you get tagged by piercing mark, or get hit by spammed AOE, or get hammered by a zerg, or stunned cuz magicka nb 24/7 cloak build ran out of stam, and so on and so forth.
Seriously, play the class before you all ask* for nerfs.
Actually i do play the class, you must be doing something wrong because zergas cant kill me and my stamina is A Ok, and i just remove mark target bud, caltrop doesnt do anything just MOVE OUT OF IT0 -
LegacyDM✭✭✭✭✭
✭bubbajones wrote: »my self, being lvl VR15 and another higher lvl vet were attacking a lvl 17 nightblade and the fight just wouldn't end with no one killing anyone. the nightblade would just keep cloaking and remove all damage and it was just well....stupid.
bolt escape has been nerfed to all oblivion but the nightblade has an even better escape method and I think by all rights the cloak ability should scale up in mag usage with each cast otherwise the playfield is just not even
Yawn.
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Farorin✭✭✭✭✭Nerf this, nerf that, nerf nerf nerfety nerf....
When will the crying stop? Oh my god... IS IT ENDLESS!?!?
On a serious note.
If you have trouble beating a NB because "Cloak OP", then that truly is an issue of needing to learn a bit more about the game and class as many have already said.
Basically, if literally EVERY class has many many players that can beat a NB, but you are having trouble, then NBs are clearly not OP, you just need to learn what to do with them.1 -
Sithisvoid✭✭✭✭✭A two second skill that just lets you hide is overpowered nerf plz omg. Also while were at it devs my horse moves up and down too much when i ride and it makes me sea sick nerf that too plzEdited by Sithisvoid on September 8, 2015 5:32AM1 -
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I agree, you should. But keep trying to play cloak and dagger vs a sorc, see how it plays out next time.
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Forumer-in-Prison wrote: »Malpherian wrote: »As a nightblade, I can say that the cloak is actually under powered. You simply aren't useing the 50 million skills in the game to counter it.
IE - Equip magelight - Problem solved.
-Stun / CC night blade
- Kill nightblade.
Nightblade is one of the weakest classes in the game, yea we have good burst DPS and escape skills, because were so squishy and easy to kill it's pathetic.
If 2 of you were not able to kill a night-blade of close to the same level and gear, it's not the night blade, it's you, your gear, and your skills.
Magicka NB can shield stack and cloak 24/7
All classes who equip a resto staff and light armor can shield stack.
You cannot cloak 24/7 if you are right in the middle of a perfectly placed caltrop, or you get tagged by piercing mark, or get hit by spammed AOE, or get hammered by a zerg, or stunned cuz magicka nb 24/7 cloak build ran out of stam, and so on and so forth.
Seriously, play the class before you all ask* for nerfs.
Actually i do play the class, you must be doing something wrong because zergas cant kill me and my stamina is A Ok, and i just remove mark target bud, caltrop doesnt do anything just MOVE OUT OF IT
Sure bro. Ur awesome.Edited by Forumer-in-Prison on September 8, 2015 5:44AMSiblings-in-Prison
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Amisdt the events surrounding the formation of the Ebonheart Pact, a brave few has escaped their captors and ran off as far away as they can, eventually landing on the shores of khenarthi's roost.
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Lava_Croft✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Nerfing Cloak won't change anything about the fact that there are so many bad players in this game.5 -
killingspreeb16_ESO✭✭✭✭Nerf this, nerf that, nerf nerf nerfety nerf....
When will the crying stop? Oh my god... IS IT ENDLESS!?!?
On a serious note.
If you have trouble beating a NB because "Cloak OP", then that truly is an issue of needing to learn a bit more about the game and class as many have already said.
Basically, if literally EVERY class has many many players that can beat a NB, but you are having trouble, then NBs are clearly not OP, you just need to learn what to do with them.
The problem is they don't want to slot a counter in their precious bar,even if they buff flare/magelight they would cry anyways.
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Mitchblue✭✭✭✭killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »Nerf this, nerf that, nerf nerf nerfety nerf....
When will the crying stop? Oh my god... IS IT ENDLESS!?!?
On a serious note.
If you have trouble beating a NB because "Cloak OP", then that truly is an issue of needing to learn a bit more about the game and class as many have already said.
Basically, if literally EVERY class has many many players that can beat a NB, but you are having trouble, then NBs are clearly not OP, you just need to learn what to do with them.
The problem is they don't want to slot a counter in their precious bar,even if they buff flare/magelight they would cry anyways.
Yep. If you don't want to slot an ability to counter it, don't cry about it.Anyone else rooting for Molag Bal?4 -
Frozstee✭✭✭If you don't know how to counter an attack, how about trying to learn instead of yelling for more and more and more and more and more and more and more nerfs...
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revonine✭✭✭✭Tbh I don't know what the issue is, the NB wasn't killing anyone with the cloak. This is the same as a tanky DK, sure they can block all day and they are irritating to fight but they can't kill you with block.1 -
SeptimusDova✭✭✭✭✭
✭yes cloak has a problem it should not be sub 5 second duration. Make it 55 seconds and call it good. This post has
CANZ I HAZ KLEEENEX written all over it. To this ones fellow Khajiits ..
General Memorandum to all Khajiit (applies to earth as well) Knock everything off of mantles ,shelves and counters. Shred sofas, curtains and scratch paints. Rise up and take back not just Elsweyr but Everywhere. Watch the smoothskins while they sleep. Count their breaths and look for a way to smother them. Trip them whilst they go down stairs. Hide their housekeys.Scratch their ankles. Above all Make it LOOK LIKE AN ACCIDENT !!! or Blame the dog.
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Ch4mpTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Stop crying and l2p.
Hm... Is that so...? Yet, I can tell already that you yourself are a Nightblade. And upon the exact moment ZOS adjusts a skill of your class in a nerf, you will be right in 1 of those Nightblade threads talking about how unfair the nerf was. And how useless you feel your class is. Just as many Dragonknights have began doing.
Oh, and by the way. I have a Nightblade character as well, and truth be told. Cloak IS in fact a bit stronger than anticipated, in my opinion. And needs to be looked at again by the development team at ZOS.Edited by Ch4mpTW on September 8, 2015 6:49PM1 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Malpherian wrote: »As a nightblade, I can say that the cloak is actually under powered. You simply aren't useing the 50 million skills in the game to counter it.
IE - Equip magelight - Problem solved.
-Stun / CC night blade
- Kill nightblade.
Nightblade is one of the weakest classes in the game, yea we have good burst DPS and escape skills, because were so squishy and easy to kill it's pathetic.
If 2 of you were not able to kill a night-blade of close to the same level and gear, it's not the night blade, it's you, your gear, and your skills.
Magicka NB can shield stack and cloak 24/7
They can also fly, hide under your bed at night, and cross running water.5 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yet, I can tell already that you yourself are a Nightblade.
How could you...I have a Nightblade character as well...
Ooooh, you can sense others of your own kind.
But, seriously, Cloak is only good if you commit a major portion of your build to it. Without that, the whole thing starts to fall apart.1 -
Master_Kas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Stop crying and l2p.
Hm... Is that so...? Yet, I can tell already that you yourself are a Nightblade. And upon the exact moment ZOS adjusts a skill of your class in a nerf, you will be right in 1 of those Nightblade threads talking about how unfair the nerf was. And how useless you feel your class is. Just as many Dragonknights have began doing.
Oh, and by the way. I have a Nightblade character as well, and truth be told. Cloak IS in fact a bit stronger than anticipated, in my opinion. And needs to be looked at again by the development team at ZOS.
I call this BS.
You probably play some other class as main, and doesn't give a flying f*ck about nightblades. Just want them to die faster.
Even if cloak is nerfed, good nb's will still wreck you and you'll start crying "nerf fear/ambush/surpriseattack/soulharvest".
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starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Master_Kas wrote: »Stop crying and l2p.
Hm... Is that so...? Yet, I can tell already that you yourself are a Nightblade. And upon the exact moment ZOS adjusts a skill of your class in a nerf, you will be right in 1 of those Nightblade threads talking about how unfair the nerf was. And how useless you feel your class is. Just as many Dragonknights have began doing.
Oh, and by the way. I have a Nightblade character as well, and truth be told. Cloak IS in fact a bit stronger than anticipated, in my opinion. And needs to be looked at again by the development team at ZOS.
I call this BS.
You probably play some other class as main, and doesn't give a flying f*ck about nightblades. Just want them to die faster.
Even if cloak is nerfed, good nb's will still wreck you and you'll start crying "nerf fear/ambush/surpriseattack/soulharvest".
Pathetic
You get a cookie... or an insightful, since baked goods don't travel these forums safely.I'm just being honest, bruh. And I've been playing as a Sorcerer since day 1. A mage/sorcerer/wizard will always be go-to class, or primary no matter what MMORPG/RPG that it is I play. And from the feel of it, the Nightblade class has so many tools and utilities that it outshines my Sorcerer.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Master_Kas wrote: »Stop crying and l2p.
Hm... Is that so...? Yet, I can tell already that you yourself are a Nightblade. And upon the exact moment ZOS adjusts a skill of your class in a nerf, you will be right in 1 of those Nightblade threads talking about how unfair the nerf was. And how useless you feel your class is. Just as many Dragonknights have began doing.
Oh, and by the way. I have a Nightblade character as well, and truth be told. Cloak IS in fact a bit stronger than anticipated, in my opinion. And needs to be looked at again by the development team at ZOS.
I call this BS.
You probably play some other class as main, and doesn't give a flying f*ck about nightblades. Just want them to die faster.
Even if cloak is nerfed, good nb's will still wreck you and you'll start crying "nerf fear/ambush/surpriseattack/soulharvest".
Pathetic
Yep, you're definitely a Nightblade. Lol. And yes, you're partially correct. I do play as another class as a main. I play as a Sorcerer primarily. As for the second half of your statement, unfortunately -- you're false. I do care about Nightblades, and I want anything that I'm fighting against to die faster when in combat. Even if I'm fighting another Dragonknight with my Dragonknight, I want my opposition as dead as possible. But as for overall class death? No.
Why? Because my goal is to have a maxed out character in every single class, that's capable of dominating. Sure I'll have a primary. But, I truthfully want to be a master of all classes. Something I did in: Skyrim, Morrowind, and Oblivion. I make characters of all classes, and try to gear each 1 out to the very best, and utilize the very best skills for each.
So I'm afraid you have me mistaken, son. Also, I hate to disappoint you... But, 9x out of 10... My deaths don't even come from Nightblades in PVP. I'd say I die from Nightblades in PVP usually once a night? And even then, it's because 3 or 4 of them jumped me. My deaths come from other Sorcerers, or Dragonknights. So no, you're wrong. Although, Mass Hysteria does need to be looked at again by the development team as well as Cloak. Thank you for reminding me to make that known.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Yep, you're definitely a Nightblade. Lol. And yes, you're partially correct. I do play as another class as a main. I play as a Sorcerer primarily.
Yeah, I'll just say this again. If your sorcerer is under performing in comparison to your nightblade, you've either done something very wrong with your sorc's build, you don't know how to play your sorc, or you're going for some hybrid build the Sorc doesn't really support.
I mean, if you're trying to play a sorc as a medium armor stealth assassin, then, surprise, the Nightblade will do that better. If you're playing your sorc as a "kneel before your god! BZZZZZZAP!!" type build, then there's no way the NB should be able to compete with that.2 -
SeptimusDova✭✭✭✭✭
✭Champ This is not Skyrim or Morrowind or Oblivion. Zos has already made all of the changes they are going to make for cloak. If you placed any input into the PTS it was reviewed and passed on. End of story. Now you can accept the changes and play the game. Or you can cry about it. Thats the choices you have.2 -
Van_0S✭✭✭✭✭WwG_SkuLLz wrote: »VR 15 and a VR 16 vs a lvl 17 nightblade... Nice
CP points, the player (NB) is skilled. So, that is why he could kill VR 15Master_Kas wrote: »Stop crying and l2p.
Hm... Is that so...? Yet, I can tell already that you yourself are a Nightblade. And upon the exact moment ZOS adjusts a skill of your class in a nerf, you will be right in 1 of those Nightblade threads talking about how unfair the nerf was. And how useless you feel your class is. Just as many Dragonknights have began doing.
Oh, and by the way. I have a Nightblade character as well, and truth be told. Cloak IS in fact a bit stronger than anticipated, in my opinion. And needs to be looked at again by the development team at ZOS.
I call this BS.
You probably play some other class as main, and doesn't give a flying f*ck about nightblades. Just want them to die faster.
Even if cloak is nerfed, good nb's will still wreck you and you'll start crying "nerf fear/ambush/surpriseattack/soulharvest".
Pathetic
Yep, you're definitely a Nightblade. Lol. And yes, you're partially correct. I do play as another class as a main. I play as a Sorcerer primarily. As for the second half of your statement, unfortunately -- you're false. I do care about Nightblades, and I want anything that I'm fighting against to die faster when in combat. Even if I'm fighting another Dragonknight with my Dragonknight, I want my opposition as dead as possible. But as for overall class death? No.
Why? Because my goal is to have a maxed out character in every single class, that's capable of dominating. Sure I'll have a primary. But, I truthfully want to be a master of all classes. Something I did in: Skyrim, Morrowind, and Oblivion. I make characters of all classes, and try to gear each 1 out to the very best, and utilize the very best skills for each.
So I'm afraid you have me mistaken, son. Also, I hate to disappoint you... But, 9x out of 10... My deaths don't even come from Nightblades in PVP. I'd say I die from Nightblades in PVP usually once a night? And even then, it's because 3 or 4 of them jumped me. My deaths come from other Sorcerers, or Dragonknights. So no, you're wrong. Although, Mass Hysteria does need to be looked at again by the development team as well as Cloak. Thank you for reminding me to make that known.
Don't support nerfs, it is destroying the game.Edited by Van_0S on September 8, 2015 7:21PM0 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭YurtTheSilentChief wrote: »WwG_SkuLLz wrote: »VR 15 and a VR 16 vs a lvl 17 nightblade... Nice
CP points, the player (NB) is skilled. So, that is why he could kill VR 15
The part that still makes me cackle about this is, I don't care what class you're playing, you have tools for dealing with invisible foes. Pack some AoE on the bar. One well placed Acid Spray and you can pull them back out of stealth, and lock 'em down. The only way a level 17 NB can go toe to toe with Vets is if the vets are incompetent or the NB is very careful about exposing themselves.
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Personofsecrets✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO wrote: »And why didn't you just spam curses on the nb or use aoe attacks or use radiant mageligt or maybe an anti stealth potion?
Sound like you were completely unprepared for pvp and went crying when you were unable to do anything effective.
>Cloak
>Talons
>Cloak
>Detect Pot
>Runs away to eventually cloak
>Eruption
>Cloak
>Eruption
>Cloak away for good
Yea, that really happened. You don't get to say that the counters are good enough. They day will come when cloak will be nerfed and I will cheer it on.0 -
killingspreeb16_ESO✭✭✭✭Personofsecrets wrote: »nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO wrote: »And why didn't you just spam curses on the nb or use aoe attacks or use radiant mageligt or maybe an anti stealth potion?
Sound like you were completely unprepared for pvp and went crying when you were unable to do anything effective.
>Cloak
>Talons
>Cloak
>Detect Pot
>Runs away to eventually cloak
>Eruption
>Cloak
>Eruption
>Cloak away for good
Yea, that really happened. You don't get to say that the counters are good enough. They day will come when cloak will be nerfed and I will cheer it on.
stop pop detect pots when the NB is at full health,put a slow on the NB and he can't run away from you,not that hard.
the counter are good enough,you just want an hard counter
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