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nightblade cloak is absolutely ridiculous
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Sharee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The only thing i dont like about cloak, its reset the aggro from adds in IC.
You fight vs a NB, it doesnt og well for the NB, pull some Adds or even the horrors, cloak and you die cause of adds...
Cloak does not reset aggro. The only thing that resets aggro is pulling the mobs far enough from their spawnpoint. Unless you hit the mobs yourself, they will stay aggroed on him forever.
And the horrors ignore cloak completely.5 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »lol I love how all the NB say "No more nerfs, we need to start buffing things!" as soon as almost every other mitigation tool in the game was nerfed hard (block, roll dodge, streak, shields, healing...). Almost everything except cloak, which is now the strongest get-away skill in the game.
Enjoy it while it lasts NB
Your turn next.
Yeah... so, about that... cloak isn't mitigation. No, it's not. It doesn't reduce incoming damage. It doesn't avoid incoming damage. It does confuse players who don't understand how to play the game. But, that's not really mitigation, more culling.
Forcing up to 4 incoming projectiles miss, plus being immune to single target skills unless the invisibility is broken, plus the passive when you use any shadow magic skill you get the armor buff.
Then you should have used an AoE.
At least the armor buff no longer clanks when turning on.0 -
ObsidianMichi✭✭✭lol I love how all the NB say "No more nerfs, we need to start buffing things!" as soon as almost every other mitigation tool in the game was nerfed hard (block, roll dodge, streak, shields, healing...). Almost everything except cloak, which is now the strongest get-away skill in the game.
Enjoy it while it lasts NB Your turn next.
Only one of the Cloak morphs remove DOTs. The other is an instant crit. Basic Cloak does nothing. It mitigates nothing. The actual mitigation it gets is being from the Shadow Tree if the player is making use of the shadow armor passive. It works much in the same way that the Ransack morph on the One Hand and Shield tree does. All shadow abilities get this and they do not stack, so it is a limited amount of armor. Any one of them you activate will give you a buff short period of time. There are other classes in the game that make use of a similar armor type ability such as Thundering Presence in the Storm Calling tree which gives much, much, much more armor and spell resist. It can be stacked with Ransack (I think) for the armor up and you can slide any shield you want beneath it, including Hardened Ward. Boundless Storm also gives you a movement speed up.
You want more survivability and armor as a Sorc? Boundless Storm is for you. Over 1k up for both armor and spell resist, plus it comes with a lovely, persistent AoE that increases in outgoing damage the lower enemy health goes. You can even use that movement speed buff to make a quick get away. Go you.
Besides that? You still move very slowly in Cloak like you do in normal stealth (with 4 seconds max) unless you're chewing up a significant amount of slots to make that get away happen. You have to put Concealed Weapon (the magicka morph) on your bar or use your five piece set slot (Night's Silence) to be able to move quickly in stealth, even as a Nightblade. It's not a replacement for Streak or Ball of Lightning. NBs do have a lesser seen escape, however, that takes more micromanagement. It's one of the morphs for Shades (the ranged one) which will let you teleport to your shade in the middle of the fight. It will also grant access to the shadow armor passive. It, again, is not a replacement for Streak.
I suppose with the sharpened fix/nerf, armor will become a lot more dangerous. Many classes have powers that give them extra armor though in their tanking trees, this includes the DKs. I'm not sure about Templars. But Sorcs? Oh yes. They have an incredible capacity to mitigate, even without Hardened Ward.Edited by ObsidianMichi on September 7, 2015 4:42PM0 -
Masuimi✭✭✭Edited by Masuimi on September 7, 2015 4:49PM0 -
ObsidianMichi✭✭✭ObsidianMichi wrote: »
Since when does it do this?
Disintegrate. One of the passives in the Storm Calling tree. It affects all the Storm Calling abilities. The damage is negligible for Boundless Storm compared to say Liquid Lightning but every bit helps. It used to be even better than it is now.2 -
Masuimi✭✭✭ObsidianMichi wrote: »ObsidianMichi wrote: »
Since when does it do this?
Disintegrate. One of the passives in the Storm Calling tree. It affects all the Storm Calling abilities. The damage is negligible for Boundless Storm compared to say Liquid Lightning but every bit helps. It used to be even better than it is now.
Oh gotcha. Thanks for the clarification. I thought you were talking specifically about the Boundless Storm skill0 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ObsidianMichi wrote: »ObsidianMichi wrote: »
Since when does it do this?
Disintegrate. One of the passives in the Storm Calling tree. It affects all the Storm Calling abilities. The damage is negligible for Boundless Storm compared to say Liquid Lightning but every bit helps. It used to be even better than it is now.
Thats for low hp targets with a 6% proc rate e.g. <25% which is what endless fury is for ^^
Don't spread misleading information.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...0 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »Don't spread misleading information.
People in glass houses...2 -
Reeko✭✭✭✭lol I love how all the NB say "No more nerfs, we need to start buffing things!" as soon as almost every other mitigation tool in the game was nerfed hard (block, roll dodge, streak, shields, healing...). Almost everything except cloak, which is now the strongest get-away skill in the game.
Enjoy it while it lasts NB Your turn next.
I have read all the comments up to yours and did not see one time somone say nb needed a buff. Whatcoo talkin bout?1 -
BuggeX✭✭✭✭✭
✭The only thing i dont like about cloak, its reset the aggro from adds in IC.
You fight vs a NB, it doesnt og well for the NB, pull some Adds or even the horrors, cloak and you die cause of adds...
Cloak does not reset aggro. The only thing that resets aggro is pulling the mobs far enough from their spawnpoint. Unless you hit the mobs yourself, they will stay aggroed on him forever.
And the horrors ignore cloak completely.
are you sure? allways when i fight vs a nb he cloaks and i get aggro from all adds
#makemagickadkgreataigan
#givemeaexecute
#ineedheal
#betterhotfixgrindspots0 -
ObsidianMichi✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »ObsidianMichi wrote: »ObsidianMichi wrote: »
Since when does it do this?
Disintegrate. One of the passives in the Storm Calling tree. It affects all the Storm Calling abilities. The damage is negligible for Boundless Storm compared to say Liquid Lightning but every bit helps. It used to be even better than it is now.
Thats for low hp targets with a 6% proc rate e.g. <25% which is what endless fury is for ^^
Don't spread misleading information.
It actually still works and you would know that if you ever used any ability in the tree other than Overload and Mages Fury/Endless Fury.0 -
Sharee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The only thing i dont like about cloak, its reset the aggro from adds in IC.
You fight vs a NB, it doesnt og well for the NB, pull some Adds or even the horrors, cloak and you die cause of adds...
Cloak does not reset aggro. The only thing that resets aggro is pulling the mobs far enough from their spawnpoint. Unless you hit the mobs yourself, they will stay aggroed on him forever.
And the horrors ignore cloak completely.
are you sure? allways when i fight vs a nb he cloaks and i get aggro from all adds
If activating cloak de-aggroed mobs, no nightblade could ever use cloak while soloing, because it would cause the mobs to lose aggro and reset to full health.1 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The only thing i dont like about cloak, its reset the aggro from adds in IC.
You fight vs a NB, it doesnt og well for the NB, pull some Adds or even the horrors, cloak and you die cause of adds...
Cloak does not reset aggro. The only thing that resets aggro is pulling the mobs far enough from their spawnpoint. Unless you hit the mobs yourself, they will stay aggroed on him forever.
And the horrors ignore cloak completely.
are you sure? allways when i fight vs a nb he cloaks and i get aggro from all adds
If activating cloak de-aggroed mobs, no nightblade could ever use cloak while soloing, because it would cause the mobs to lose aggro and reset to full health.
Now, AoEing mobs that are chasing a cloaked Nightblade... But, that's a PEBKAC error.0 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
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No, it was the original function of, I think energize or disintegrate. It was supposed to be purged back around the 1.5 or 1.6 rebalances. But, I've seen enough weirdness in the storm calling trees on my sorcs to say it's fairly plausible this is actually still part of one of those passives.0 -
Tholian1✭✭✭✭✭
✭The only thing i dont like about cloak, its reset the aggro from adds in IC.
You fight vs a NB, it doesnt og well for the NB, pull some Adds or even the horrors, cloak and you die cause of adds...
Cloak does not reset aggro. The only thing that resets aggro is pulling the mobs far enough from their spawnpoint. Unless you hit the mobs yourself, they will stay aggroed on him forever.
And the horrors ignore cloak completely.
are you sure? allways when i fight vs a nb he cloaks and i get aggro from all adds
If activating cloak de-aggroed mobs, no nightblade could ever use cloak while soloing, because it would cause the mobs to lose aggro and reset to full health.
I think people confuse cloak with stealth. I do lose aggro if I successfully stealth. Never when I only cloak.PS4 Pro NA1 -
Sharee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The only thing i dont like about cloak, its reset the aggro from adds in IC.
You fight vs a NB, it doesnt og well for the NB, pull some Adds or even the horrors, cloak and you die cause of adds...
Cloak does not reset aggro. The only thing that resets aggro is pulling the mobs far enough from their spawnpoint. Unless you hit the mobs yourself, they will stay aggroed on him forever.
And the horrors ignore cloak completely.
are you sure? allways when i fight vs a nb he cloaks and i get aggro from all adds
If activating cloak de-aggroed mobs, no nightblade could ever use cloak while soloing, because it would cause the mobs to lose aggro and reset to full health.
I think people confuse cloak with stealth. I do lose aggro if I successfully stealth. Never when I only cloak.
It's the other way around. You can only stealth once you lose aggro.1 -
Tholian1✭✭✭✭✭
✭The only thing i dont like about cloak, its reset the aggro from adds in IC.
You fight vs a NB, it doesnt og well for the NB, pull some Adds or even the horrors, cloak and you die cause of adds...
Cloak does not reset aggro. The only thing that resets aggro is pulling the mobs far enough from their spawnpoint. Unless you hit the mobs yourself, they will stay aggroed on him forever.
And the horrors ignore cloak completely.
are you sure? allways when i fight vs a nb he cloaks and i get aggro from all adds
If activating cloak de-aggroed mobs, no nightblade could ever use cloak while soloing, because it would cause the mobs to lose aggro and reset to full health.
I think people confuse cloak with stealth. I do lose aggro if I successfully stealth. Never when I only cloak.
It's the other way around. You can only stealth once you lose aggro.
I have had many bosses reset on me because I was able to enter stealth. Cloak helped, of course. So I try not to stealth anymore because the resets are annoying.PS4 Pro NA1 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ObsidianMichi wrote: »ObsidianMichi wrote: »
Since when does it do this?
Disintegrate. One of the passives in the Storm Calling tree. It affects all the Storm Calling abilities. The damage is negligible for Boundless Storm compared to say Liquid Lightning but every bit helps. It used to be even better than it is now.
Oh gotcha. Thanks for the clarification. I thought you were talking specifically about the Boundless Storm skill
In general, ignoring the relevant passives is a bad mistake. It's an understandable one, because figuring out when they apply can be a pain, but a lot of the game's balance is governed by the passives.
I mean, I'm guilty of making that mistake in this thread, but, it's something to remember.0 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The only thing i dont like about cloak, its reset the aggro from adds in IC.
You fight vs a NB, it doesnt og well for the NB, pull some Adds or even the horrors, cloak and you die cause of adds...
Cloak does not reset aggro. The only thing that resets aggro is pulling the mobs far enough from their spawnpoint. Unless you hit the mobs yourself, they will stay aggroed on him forever.
And the horrors ignore cloak completely.
are you sure? allways when i fight vs a nb he cloaks and i get aggro from all adds
If activating cloak de-aggroed mobs, no nightblade could ever use cloak while soloing, because it would cause the mobs to lose aggro and reset to full health.
I think people confuse cloak with stealth. I do lose aggro if I successfully stealth. Never when I only cloak.
It's the other way around. You can only stealth once you lose aggro.
I have had many bosses reset on me because I was able to enter stealth. Cloak helped, of course. So I try not to stealth anymore because the resets are annoying.
I still remember the defend this position quest stages that would flat out break, back in beta, if you were in stealth when the enemy mobs spawned.0 -
CP5✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »lol I love how all the NB say "No more nerfs, we need to start buffing things!" as soon as almost every other mitigation tool in the game was nerfed hard (block, roll dodge, streak, shields, healing...). Almost everything except cloak, which is now the strongest get-away skill in the game.
Enjoy it while it lasts NB Your turn next.
Yeah... so, about that... cloak isn't mitigation. No, it's not. It doesn't reduce incoming damage. It doesn't avoid incoming damage. It does confuse players who don't understand how to play the game. But, that's not really mitigation, more culling.
Forcing up to 4 incoming projectiles miss, plus being immune to single target skills unless the invisibility is broken, plus the passive when you use any shadow magic skill you get the armor buff.
Then you should have used an AoE.
At least the armor buff no longer clanks when turning on.
I hated that sound, did ZOS put a bear trap in our pockets? CA CLANK. But honestly, hitting an invisible sprinting target isn't the end of the world.0 -
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✭I think cloak on Khajiits is broke. The tail sometimes sticks out of the bubble0 -
Sharee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭@Sharee The ability to run straight past mobs without aggro-ing them isn't an advantage??? I beg to differ. I have the option as a cloaked NB to engage on my terms every time in PvE. That is an advantage.
PvE mobs just stand passively around waiting for you to attack them. And you are telling me without cloak the fight is not on your terms?
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starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭@Sharee The ability to run straight past mobs without aggro-ing them isn't an advantage??? I beg to differ. I have the option as a cloaked NB to engage on my terms every time in PvE. That is an advantage.
In PvE? Eh... kinda. I mean, I've run delves where I only ever fight the boss using Cloak... but, I also don't get drops or XP from all the mobs I blitz past.
Even for the IC, that's not really an advantage. If I'm giving up Tel Var stones to bounce around.
And the enemies are still there, so I can't just stop whenever/wherever I want, and I can potentially put myself in a very bad situation if I run out of resources in the middle of enemies I'm not prepared for.
It is faster, but... you give up a lot for that.0 -
Tholian1✭✭✭✭✭
✭@Sharee The ability to run straight past mobs without aggro-ing them isn't an advantage??? I beg to differ. I have the option as a cloaked NB to engage on my terms every time in PvE. That is an advantage.
That's how I started with my NB when I was still figuring out how to use it. I cloaked through countless mobs because I was not confident enough yet to engage them. But like @starkerealm said, it really isn't an advantage because you are missing out by doing so. Now I use cloak in PvE to get myself into a good position to fight a mob rather than sneak through them, which in that case is an advantage.PS4 Pro NA1 -
kendellking_chaosb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Let's be clear here Nightblades not wanting Cloak nerfed is the same as Sorcs not wanting Shields nerfed. Just like Sorcs it's a class defense that we need unlike Sorcs it was a wide list of counters only time and base damage breaks a shield.
You can't treat a power like that with one with a host of counter you have to use them
If you don't find them useful I don't like Mark it only useful against against other Nightblades as I get the same debuff with an attack but I run it for Nightblades, I don't like fear cost to much magic and I have a Knock down with Evasion but for block loving DKs with Black Rose I have to use it use the counter or you have no room to talkChaos Shadow-Scale: Shadow Archer
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deleted. quoted wrong personEdited by Forumer-in-Prison on September 8, 2015 2:18AMSiblings-in-Prison
Lore:At a time of chaos and turmoil, children from all across tamriel have been taken by an evil Argonian Thieves guild. They were raised in captivity, forced to learn their captors evil ways and endured the harsh environment of Black Marsh. The intentions of the evil guild is still unknown till this day.
Amisdt the events surrounding the formation of the Ebonheart Pact, a brave few has escaped their captors and ran off as far away as they can, eventually landing on the shores of khenarthi's roost.
Armed with the skills and the scars they have endured during their captivity, these brothers and sisters in chains has vowed revenge on their Argonian captors and their allies.
They kept the names branded to them by the evil reptiles as a reminder of all the pain and torment they have suffered, and have joined the Aldmeri Dominion as a means to an end... Paint Tamriel with Argonian blood.
[*] Sliced-in-Prison | Bosmer | Suction Blade
[*] Hunk-in-Prison | Breton | Hunky Blade
[*] Muse-in-Prison | Altmer | Healing Babe
[*] Hot-in-Prison | Breton | HotBod Killer0 -
templesus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Malpherian wrote: »As a nightblade, I can say that the cloak is actually under powered. You simply aren't useing the 50 million skills in the game to counter it.
IE - Equip magelight - Problem solved.
-Stun / CC night blade
- Kill nightblade.
Nightblade is one of the weakest classes in the game, yea we have good burst DPS and escape skills, because were so squishy and easy to kill it's pathetic.
If 2 of you were not able to kill a night-blade of close to the same level and gear, it's not the night blade, it's you, your gear, and your skills.
Magicka NB can shield stack and cloak 24/71 -
Malpherian wrote: »As a nightblade, I can say that the cloak is actually under powered. You simply aren't useing the 50 million skills in the game to counter it.
IE - Equip magelight - Problem solved.
-Stun / CC night blade
- Kill nightblade.
Nightblade is one of the weakest classes in the game, yea we have good burst DPS and escape skills, because were so squishy and easy to kill it's pathetic.
If 2 of you were not able to kill a night-blade of close to the same level and gear, it's not the night blade, it's you, your gear, and your skills.
Magicka NB can shield stack and cloak 24/7
All classes who equip a resto staff and light armor can shield stack.
You cannot cloak 24/7 if you are right in the middle of a perfectly placed caltrop, or you get tagged by piercing mark, or get hit by spammed AOE, or get hammered by a zerg, or stunned cuz magicka nb 24/7 cloak build ran out of stam, and so on and so forth.
Seriously, play the class before you all ask* for nerfs.Edited by Forumer-in-Prison on September 8, 2015 4:30AMSiblings-in-Prison
Lore:At a time of chaos and turmoil, children from all across tamriel have been taken by an evil Argonian Thieves guild. They were raised in captivity, forced to learn their captors evil ways and endured the harsh environment of Black Marsh. The intentions of the evil guild is still unknown till this day.
Amisdt the events surrounding the formation of the Ebonheart Pact, a brave few has escaped their captors and ran off as far away as they can, eventually landing on the shores of khenarthi's roost.
Armed with the skills and the scars they have endured during their captivity, these brothers and sisters in chains has vowed revenge on their Argonian captors and their allies.
They kept the names branded to them by the evil reptiles as a reminder of all the pain and torment they have suffered, and have joined the Aldmeri Dominion as a means to an end... Paint Tamriel with Argonian blood.
[*] Sliced-in-Prison | Bosmer | Suction Blade
[*] Hunk-in-Prison | Breton | Hunky Blade
[*] Muse-in-Prison | Altmer | Healing Babe
[*] Hot-in-Prison | Breton | HotBod Killer0 -
Mitchblue✭✭✭✭This is why many either hate the game or just leave, asking for a nerf. We don't need nerfs. And certainly not cloak.Anyone else rooting for Molag Bal?0
