nightblade cloak is absolutely ridiculous

starkerealm

Personofsecrets wrote: »

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO wrote: »

And why didn't you just spam curses on the nb or use aoe attacks or use radiant mageligt or maybe an anti stealth potion?

Sound like you were completely unprepared for pvp and went crying when you were unable to do anything effective.

>Cloak
>Talons
>Cloak
>Detect Pot
>Runs away to eventually cloak
>Eruption
>Cloak
>Eruption
>Cloak away for good

Yea, that really happened. You don't get to say that the counters are good enough. They day will come when cloak will be nerfed and I will cheer it on.

Well, I see your problem.

That should have been...

>Cloak
>Talons
>Cloak
>Detect Pot
>Tries to Run Away
>Fiery Grip

You're a freakin' Dragon Knight. If you let them run away, that's on you.

Saddiq

I'm a templar. The vast majority of my deaths are 1v40s to zergs. The few remaining percentage of my deaths are to Nightblades from cloak. I love it. There are 2 options.

One, their cc follow up to the original cc attack is skillfully timed and I'm artfully killed by a master, my brain engaged, trying to glean some info on how to survive next time while admiring what can only be described as a perfect fulfilment of the entire point of being a NB.

Two, their cc follow up is not skillfully timed, I shield up, and the fight usually ends up a stalemate until a zerg shows up for either side. (Yes, I would defend shield stacking too--getting the timing right when they all end at different times while also keeping up dps is engaging--unlike falling to a zerg which is the opposite of engaging).

I'm happy for NBs that players attracted to striking and assassinating from the shadows have a zone that's a genuine, amazing playground for them. I would love a Templar zone in the future with enemies that challenge me to time my shields, buffs, and heals in order to win in a PVP/PVE zone--for example a lava zone where the environment is constantly erupting around you, and you have to contend with environmental damage and debuffing.

Have fun NBs, it looks fun as hell and I can't help but be jealous of the satisfaction you must feel going in the for kill. I'll roll a NB in a couple months to try it out.

Personofsecrets

starkerealm wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO wrote: »

And why didn't you just spam curses on the nb or use aoe attacks or use radiant mageligt or maybe an anti stealth potion?

Sound like you were completely unprepared for pvp and went crying when you were unable to do anything effective.

>Cloak
>Talons
>Cloak
>Detect Pot
>Runs away to eventually cloak
>Eruption
>Cloak
>Eruption
>Cloak away for good

Yea, that really happened. You don't get to say that the counters are good enough. They day will come when cloak will be nerfed and I will cheer it on.

Well, I see your problem.

That should have been...

>Cloak
>Talons
>Cloak
>Detect Pot
>Tries to Run Away
>Fiery Grip

You're a freakin' Dragon Knight. If you let them run away, that's on you.

I actually was using extended chains.

jkemmery

starkerealm wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO wrote: »

And why didn't you just spam curses on the nb or use aoe attacks or use radiant mageligt or maybe an anti stealth potion?

Sound like you were completely unprepared for pvp and went crying when you were unable to do anything effective.

>Cloak
>Talons
>Cloak
>Detect Pot
>Runs away to eventually cloak
>Eruption
>Cloak
>Eruption
>Cloak away for good

Yea, that really happened. You don't get to say that the counters are good enough. They day will come when cloak will be nerfed and I will cheer it on.

Well, I see your problem.

That should have been...

>Cloak
>Talons
>Cloak
>Detect Pot
>Tries to Run Away
>Fiery Grip

You're a freakin' Dragon Knight. If you let them run away, that's on you.

Except you can't have every ability slotted, and no one uses Firey Grip because it literally is nothing more than a gap closer. The damage it does is nothing, and you are better off using a weapon gap closer that includes more damage plus a stun. Any DK running FG in PVP is really gimping himself.

starkerealm

jkemmery wrote: »

Except you can't have every ability slotted, and no one uses Firey Grip because it literally is nothing more than a gap closer.

Really Jkem? No one?

Personofsecrets wrote: »

I actually was using extended chains.

._.

But, seriously, talons breaks cloaks. So the instant they dodge roll and cloak, you can talons again. It may be dull, but they'll probably run out of resources for cloak before you run out of talons. With the added bonuses that they're going to be burning stamina along side their magicka, you can hit them while rooted, and there's no CC immunity against roots. Letting one run away is probably a mistake. And it's exactly why you put a gap closer on your bar. If you let up the pressure, a NB can retreat to safety and gear up for a second attack. If you keep the pressure on them, you can burn them down fast.

timidobserver

It is tough to fit it into a build, but magelight is great at foiling cloak. Just charge spam with it on

Troneon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOPV3jq2cA0

eventide03b14a_ESO

bubbajones wrote: »

my self, being lvl VR15 and another higher lvl vet were attacking a lvl 17 nightblade and the fight just wouldn't end with no one killing anyone. the nightblade would just keep cloaking and remove all damage and it was just well....stupid.

bolt escape has been nerfed to all oblivion but the nightblade has an even better escape method and I think by all rights the cloak ability should scale up in mag usage with each cast otherwise the playfield is just not even

RADIANT MAGELIGHT.

That is all.

CP5

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

bubbajones wrote: »

my self, being lvl VR15 and another higher lvl vet were attacking a lvl 17 nightblade and the fight just wouldn't end with no one killing anyone. the nightblade would just keep cloaking and remove all damage and it was just well....stupid.

bolt escape has been nerfed to all oblivion but the nightblade has an even better escape method and I think by all rights the cloak ability should scale up in mag usage with each cast otherwise the playfield is just not even

RADIANT MAGELIGHT.

That is all.

I've found most cloak happy nightblades are very shy and don't want to be hugged :'( .

OdinForge

Lava_Croft wrote: »

People like OP are the reason why the game's combat is so ridiculously boring right now.

I agree.

While cloak can be strong, mobility and evasion truly are the NBs only great defensive strengths. Magicka NB (and maybe stamblade too) has a lot of utility for crafty survival. But it's really their only option, so many counters that can outright negate those tools.

But two high level vets, unable to counter cloak on a lvl 17. Come on man, just delete the NB class for these people.

jkemmery

starkerealm wrote: »

jkemmery wrote: »

Except you can't have every ability slotted, and no one uses Firey Grip because it literally is nothing more than a gap closer.

Really Jkem? No one?

Personofsecrets wrote: »

I actually was using extended chains.

._.

But, seriously, talons breaks cloaks. So the instant they dodge roll and cloak, you can talons again. It may be dull, but they'll probably run out of resources for cloak before you run out of talons. With the added bonuses that they're going to be burning stamina along side their magicka, you can hit them while rooted, and there's no CC immunity against roots. Letting one run away is probably a mistake. And it's exactly why you put a gap closer on your bar. If you let up the pressure, a NB can retreat to safety and gear up for a second attack. If you keep the pressure on them, you can burn them down fast.

Obviously OP is experiencing issues. I would not recommend using Firey Grip or its morphs in pvp, but hey, if it works for you then great.

Also, talons has a 6 meter range, which is easily dodge rolled out of. Also, once the player is cloaked, it doesn't effect them, so you have to spam it to hold them. If they are already cloaked, talons does not grab them and reveal them. If you have enough armor and magica resources, the only way a magica DK can beat a NB is to talon them, then dot them, spamming talons before it ends every time to make sure they stay locked up. If you can time it out and have more resources than the other player, then you can win. Otherwise, they will cloak up and stealth attack you down.

starkerealm

jkemmery wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

jkemmery wrote: »

Except you can't have every ability slotted, and no one uses Firey Grip because it literally is nothing more than a gap closer.

Really Jkem? No one?

Personofsecrets wrote: »

I actually was using extended chains.

._.

But, seriously, talons breaks cloaks. So the instant they dodge roll and cloak, you can talons again. It may be dull, but they'll probably run out of resources for cloak before you run out of talons. With the added bonuses that they're going to be burning stamina along side their magicka, you can hit them while rooted, and there's no CC immunity against roots. Letting one run away is probably a mistake. And it's exactly why you put a gap closer on your bar. If you let up the pressure, a NB can retreat to safety and gear up for a second attack. If you keep the pressure on them, you can burn them down fast.

Obviously OP is experiencing issues. I would not recommend using Firey Grip or its morphs in pvp, but hey, if it works for you then great.

Also, talons has a 6 meter range, which is easily dodge rolled out of. Also, once the player is cloaked, it doesn't effect them, so you have to spam it to hold them. If they are already cloaked, talons does not grab them and reveal them. If you have enough armor and magica resources, the only way a magica DK can beat a NB is to talon them, then dot them, spamming talons before it ends every time to make sure they stay locked up. If you can time it out and have more resources than the other player, then you can win. Otherwise, they will cloak up and stealth attack you down.

Okay, I get what you think you're saying, but, seriously, if you're entire bar is nothing but DPS you will lose out to players who are packing the utility skills that let them get the upperhand. You know, case in point. Cloak is strictly utility. So, you need to be ready to counter that.

Again, you're talking about walking up to someone, saying unkind things about their mother, to their face, letting them punch you in the face, and then crying about it, instead of just slotting Radiant Magelight. Or get the Sentry set. Or get an AoE. Or a hard CC. Or, literally, anything that can help you deal with this. Hell, spam the magicka refunding morph of Inhale, and look at the pretty colors, if it helps. But, you can deal with Nightblades if you want to. If you don't want to, then coming onto the forums and crying about how the game is unfair because you're getting mangled by players who are spamming one of the most finicky abilities in the game? Yeah, that is the definition of Learn to Play. There are so many ways you can mutilate a cloak based NB, it's not even funny. Try to find a few.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

Xeven wrote: »

In the UFC, kicking your opponent in the nuts is illegal.

In the UFC, turning invisible, then kicking your opponent in the nuts is automatic disqualification.

Seriously though, Shadow Cloak is not sportsman like. It's a really stupid mechanic and I think NB should get a shield or a heal or something else instead.

So a 5 medium 2 light Dragon Knight Archer with points in magic cost reductions with the CP system, firing off Arrows with no worries about range projectiles like the ones he is firing is completely fine right. A ranger you can't range with heals and a shield is fair. Now a guy that can do something with 13 counters no no that's just for poor foresight.

jkemmery

starkerealm wrote: »

jkemmery wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

jkemmery wrote: »

Except you can't have every ability slotted, and no one uses Firey Grip because it literally is nothing more than a gap closer.

Really Jkem? No one?

Personofsecrets wrote: »

I actually was using extended chains.

._.

But, seriously, talons breaks cloaks. So the instant they dodge roll and cloak, you can talons again. It may be dull, but they'll probably run out of resources for cloak before you run out of talons. With the added bonuses that they're going to be burning stamina along side their magicka, you can hit them while rooted, and there's no CC immunity against roots. Letting one run away is probably a mistake. And it's exactly why you put a gap closer on your bar. If you let up the pressure, a NB can retreat to safety and gear up for a second attack. If you keep the pressure on them, you can burn them down fast.

Obviously OP is experiencing issues. I would not recommend using Firey Grip or its morphs in pvp, but hey, if it works for you then great.

Also, talons has a 6 meter range, which is easily dodge rolled out of. Also, once the player is cloaked, it doesn't effect them, so you have to spam it to hold them. If they are already cloaked, talons does not grab them and reveal them. If you have enough armor and magica resources, the only way a magica DK can beat a NB is to talon them, then dot them, spamming talons before it ends every time to make sure they stay locked up. If you can time it out and have more resources than the other player, then you can win. Otherwise, they will cloak up and stealth attack you down.

Okay, I get what you think you're saying, but, seriously, if you're entire bar is nothing but DPS you will lose out to players who are packing the utility skills that let them get the upperhand. You know, case in point. Cloak is strictly utility. So, you need to be ready to counter that.

Again, you're talking about walking up to someone, saying unkind things about their mother, to their face, letting them punch you in the face, and then crying about it, instead of just slotting Radiant Magelight. Or get the Sentry set. Or get an AoE. Or a hard CC. Or, literally, anything that can help you deal with this. Hell, spam the magicka refunding morph of Inhale, and look at the pretty colors, if it helps. But, you can deal with Nightblades if you want to. If you don't want to, then coming onto the forums and crying about how the game is unfair because you're getting mangled by players who are spamming one of the most finicky abilities in the game? Yeah, that is the definition of Learn to Play. There are so many ways you can mutilate a cloak based NB, it's not even funny. Try to find a few.

@starkerealm

Well I'm not the OP, I was just making some statements. So let's take a look at what a DK tank needs on his bar. Gap closer, obviously. Dragon blood for survive ability. Talons or some other CC. Some kind of damage skill, normally whip. And most like to carry a shield, like Igneous Shield or Scales. Where's the counter to cloak? Not there. OK, so what do we give up to put Radiant Magelight on the bar? Take off the gap closer, and you no longer have any kind of mobility. Are you going to sprint to battle? Need Dragon Blood because you are going to get beaten on, so, can't take that off. Really can't tank without a CC, so that stays. Give up damage and, well, what's the point of even being there? I might as well just level up resto staff and heal, I'd be more help to the team. Give up my shield? I could but I run Igneous Shield because it gets applied to my whole team, and that helps tremendously when it comes to winning fights. I don't run scales for that reason. So basically to counter one class ability, which is complete BS to begin with, I have to gimp myself and my team. Personally, the few times I get ganked, I accept that for the good of my team.

It's a screwed up mechanic. Sure, you CAN counter it, but to do so, you have to give up an essential skill to perform your primary function, which is to control the enemy and absorb damage for your team. Moreover, RM has a short range, much shorter than bow attacks or rush attacks, and you are broadcasting that you have is slotted by the mote floating around you, which is basically saying to your attackers "I have gimped myself in an attempt to counter you, please snipe me first."

There is no really effective counter to cloak. All counters come with a cost to you, and your team.

But you know that already, you just don't want your fun taken away.

starkerealm

jkemmery wrote: »

@starkerealm

Well I'm not the OP, I was just making some statements. So let's take a look at what a DK tank needs on his bar. Gap closer, obviously. Dragon blood for survive ability. Talons or some other CC. Some kind of damage skill, normally whip.

I... wait... what?

Now, granted, I don't spend much time on DKs, and mine is only level 16. But... unless things have changed drastically, whip is not a go to power for damage.

It's good for setting the off balance, but you're not going to want to use that for DPS.

jkemmery wrote: »

And most like to carry a shield, like Igneous Shield or Scales. Where's the counter to cloak?

Inhale.

Just like I joked three days ago.

You... did include Inhale, right?

Swindy

Saddiq wrote: »

I'm a templar. The vast majority of my deaths are 1v40s to zergs. The few remaining percentage of my deaths are to Nightblades from cloak. I love it. There are 2 options.

One, their cc follow up to the original cc attack is skillfully timed and I'm artfully killed by a master, my brain engaged, trying to glean some info on how to survive next time while admiring what can only be described as a perfect fulfilment of the entire point of being a NB.

Two, their cc follow up is not skillfully timed, I shield up, and the fight usually ends up a stalemate until a zerg shows up for either side. (Yes, I would defend shield stacking too--getting the timing right when they all end at different times while also keeping up dps is engaging--unlike falling to a zerg which is the opposite of engaging).

I'm happy for NBs that players attracted to striking and assassinating from the shadows have a zone that's a genuine, amazing playground for them. I would love a Templar zone in the future with enemies that challenge me to time my shields, buffs, and heals in order to win in a PVP/PVE zone--for example a lava zone where the environment is constantly erupting around you, and you have to contend with environmental damage and debuffing.

Have fun NBs, it looks fun as hell and I can't help but be jealous of the satisfaction you must feel going in the for kill. I'll roll a NB in a couple months to try it out.

I'm a stam NB (Pvp noob) VR14, & I marvel every time I get assassinated on the outskirts of a battle by a master.
Even in cloak they find me while I'm raining arrows on their team mates.
Full props for skilled play.

starkerealm

Xeven wrote: »

Seriously though, Shadow Cloak is not sportsman like. It's a really stupid mechanic and I think NB should get a shield or a heal or something else instead.

Of course it's not sportsman like. That's the entire point of the class. These are the guys that sneak around and assassinate people.

Not, bounce around, like a derp in a white hoodie. They're there to kill people and be gone before anyone knows something's amiss.

These are assassins, not really angry parkour duelists of derp.

And, seriously, if you replaced Cloak with a self heal... that would be it. The game would be over. There would be no stopping nightblades.

The only way the class is balanced is that they are fragile as hell. You connect with one and they will become chunky salsa on the walls. You don't come prepared to deal with them, and they will add you to the body count.

Knights go out there to fight in honorable combat.

Templars go out there to purge the world of wickeness, or whatever.

Assassins do not go out there to announce their presence and get murdered. They go out there to kill people who are far tougher than they are, and slip away in one piece.

Violynne

Malpherian wrote: »

Nightblade is one of the weakest classes in the game...

I can't even begin to tell you how experience has proven this statement true. Now playing a sorc and I often say to myself, "I can kick my own NB's ass with this character!"

I don't regret playing a NB, but it sure does make me appreciate the game because of it. I definitely feel OP playing sorc, but I also feel I deserve it after playing NB to VR10.

jkemmery

starkerealm wrote: »

jkemmery wrote: »

@starkerealm

Well I'm not the OP, I was just making some statements. So let's take a look at what a DK tank needs on his bar. Gap closer, obviously. Dragon blood for survive ability. Talons or some other CC. Some kind of damage skill, normally whip.

I... wait... what?

Now, granted, I don't spend much time on DKs, and mine is only level 16. But... unless things have changed drastically, whip is not a go to power for damage.

It's good for setting the off balance, but you're not going to want to use that for DPS.

jkemmery wrote: »

And most like to carry a shield, like Igneous Shield or Scales. Where's the counter to cloak?

Inhale.

Just like I joked three days ago.

You... did include Inhale, right?

With high magica, whip does tons of damage. Inhale has a short range and does squat for damage, it's really more of a heal, and dragon blood is much, much better. How do you even have inhale at lvl 16?

starkerealm

Swindy wrote: »

Saddiq wrote: »

I'm a templar. The vast majority of my deaths are 1v40s to zergs. The few remaining percentage of my deaths are to Nightblades from cloak. I love it. There are 2 options.

One, their cc follow up to the original cc attack is skillfully timed and I'm artfully killed by a master, my brain engaged, trying to glean some info on how to survive next time while admiring what can only be described as a perfect fulfilment of the entire point of being a NB.

Two, their cc follow up is not skillfully timed, I shield up, and the fight usually ends up a stalemate until a zerg shows up for either side. (Yes, I would defend shield stacking too--getting the timing right when they all end at different times while also keeping up dps is engaging--unlike falling to a zerg which is the opposite of engaging).

I'm happy for NBs that players attracted to striking and assassinating from the shadows have a zone that's a genuine, amazing playground for them. I would love a Templar zone in the future with enemies that challenge me to time my shields, buffs, and heals in order to win in a PVP/PVE zone--for example a lava zone where the environment is constantly erupting around you, and you have to contend with environmental damage and debuffing.

Have fun NBs, it looks fun as hell and I can't help but be jealous of the satisfaction you must feel going in the for kill. I'll roll a NB in a couple months to try it out.

I'm a stam NB (Pvp noob) VR14, & I marvel every time I get assassinated on the outskirts of a battle by a master.
Even in cloak they find me while I'm raining arrows on their team mates.
Full props for skilled play.

Stay mobile. Use Concealed Weapon, use Night's Silence. Crouch, then fire off cloak, and immediately start moving. By the time cloak wears off you should be out of line of sight, and can set up for your next shot.

And, yes, trust me, slot Concealed Weapon on a Stamina blade. Ignore Surprise Attack, it's straight up trash in comparison to Wrecking Blow.

JDar

B..b..but...I wanna kill him to death with my sword! Not fair!

Seriously the reason you people have problems with nightblades is because you have a stand-and-fight, slug-it-out mentality. And that's not the only valid play style in this game. You're going to have to deal with the fact that some people prefer a more tactical, movement-based fight, not just "stand next to them and make them die".

starkerealm

jkemmery wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

jkemmery wrote: »

@starkerealm

Well I'm not the OP, I was just making some statements. So let's take a look at what a DK tank needs on his bar. Gap closer, obviously. Dragon blood for survive ability. Talons or some other CC. Some kind of damage skill, normally whip.

I... wait... what?

Now, granted, I don't spend much time on DKs, and mine is only level 16. But... unless things have changed drastically, whip is not a go to power for damage.

It's good for setting the off balance, but you're not going to want to use that for DPS.

jkemmery wrote: »

And most like to carry a shield, like Igneous Shield or Scales. Where's the counter to cloak?

Inhale.

Just like I joked three days ago.

You... did include Inhale, right?

With high magica, whip does tons of damage. Inhale has a short range and does squat for damage, it's really more of a heal, and dragon blood is much, much better. How do you even have inhale at lvl 16?

I've used it on PTS template builds. Specifically Draw Essence + Green Dragon Blood makes it really hard to pass up. So it seems strange that you don't have it on your bar.

Farorin

Violynne wrote: »

Malpherian wrote: »

Nightblade is one of the weakest classes in the game...

I can't even begin to tell you how experience has proven this statement true. Now playing a sorc and I often say to myself, "I can kick my own NB's ass with this character!"

I don't regret playing a NB, but it sure does make me appreciate the game because of it. I definitely feel OP playing sorc, but I also feel I deserve it after playing NB to VR10.

I feel you bro.

My main is a NB, now that I am playing a Templar I am constantly surprised at how much easier it is, and how much better I do while playing my templar, despite him being v8 and having crappy gear, compared to my main NB who is v16 and has full legendary.

It baffles me, because I know templars aren't even that good, so then why the heck does my templar do way better and why is it that my templar is so much easier to do well with than my NB?

starkerealm

Farorin wrote: »

Violynne wrote: »

Malpherian wrote: »

Nightblade is one of the weakest classes in the game...

I can't even begin to tell you how experience has proven this statement true. Now playing a sorc and I often say to myself, "I can kick my own NB's ass with this character!"

I don't regret playing a NB, but it sure does make me appreciate the game because of it. I definitely feel OP playing sorc, but I also feel I deserve it after playing NB to VR10.

I feel you bro.

My main is a NB, now that I am playing a Templar I am constantly surprised at how much easier it is, and how much better I do while playing my templar, despite him being v8 and having crappy gear, compared to my main NB who is v16 and has full legendary.

It baffles me, because I know templars aren't even that good, so then why the heck does my templar do way better and why is it that my templar is so much easier to do well with than my NB?

NBs are a very intensive class to play. I mean, really it boils down to that. If I'm screwing around on my Templar or DK, and I make a mistake, it doesn't kill me on the spot. My Nightblades... Yeah, I have to stay on task and focused. That's less true in PvE, but in PvP, I've got no margin for error.

DrunkenGryffinInn

If you can't beat it, nerf it... :-D

Emperor_Will

Malpherian wrote: »

As a nightblade, I can say that the cloak is actually under powered. You simply aren't useing the 50 million skills in the game to counter it.

IE - Equip magelight - Problem solved.
-Stun / CC night blade
- Kill nightblade.

Nightblade is one of the weakest classes in the game, yea we have good burst DPS and escape skills, because were so squishy and easy to kill it's pathetic.

If 2 of you were not able to kill a night-blade of close to the same level and gear, it's not the night blade, it's you, your gear, and your skills.

So every other class should use magelight on their limited skill bar? what room is there after a heal, a damage, a retreat, purge, a killing blow, prox det, a speed buff?

Compared to templars that have a heal, what do you need to slot to counter this? Any damaging skill. No potion. No armour set.

Balance is poor.


100 v NB. You have the choice to go instantly invisible. 100 v any other class, simply isnt balanced.

You then have 100% crit from being inivisible which in itself is an advantage. Add this with prox det or other high damage skills & it rapidly becomes massively OP compared to all others.

OH, but its ok, i can spent 20k a day using detect potions to balance the constant nightblade battles... sigh.









This is even before you consider the fools who will mark you then not attack. How exactly is this conducive of fun gameplay.

And how is it balance when a class is guaranteed the first hit which is also a crit. Must keep ppl playing this god-aweful game though.

UndeadBlood

Nerfing Cloak would be the death of Nightblades. My first character was a Nightblade which I played up to vr8. After that I switched to Sorc, and I tell ya, I felt like a freakin god! Nightblades are squishy as hell, taking away their only escape ability would kill the whole class.

And you're acting like cloak is an absolute secure way to escape. I had more luck escaping with bolt spam, than with cloak...

starkerealm

Emperor_Will wrote: »

Balance is poor.


100 v NB. You have the choice to go instantly invisible. 100 v any other class, simply isnt balanced.

100 v 1, the 1 will die. Every time.

If that 1 is a Nightblade, they can run away. You don't die because the other guy ran away. You die because someone killed you. If you're there with 99 of your buddies, you've all got to be the epitome of your other thread to die to one player.

Emperor_Will wrote: »

You then have 100% crit from being inivisible which in itself is an advantage.

You get a single automatic crit... or, you get an ability that lets you actually use cloak after you've been hit by a DoT. You can't do both at the same time.

Sort of like how no one claims that Templars get the ability to throw up a shield that gets stronger every time it's attacked and explodes when it expires.

Emperor_Will wrote: »

This is even before you consider the fools who will mark you then not attack. How exactly is this conducive of fun gameplay.

Yeah, that's called "trolling." Say it with me now, "trolling." You just got trolled. They were laughing themselves sick over that. Then you came on here to talk about it, and now they're slurpin' up all the salt.

Emperor_Will wrote: »

And how is it balance when a class is guaranteed the first hit which is also a crit. Must keep ppl playing this god-aweful game though.

Which, again. 100% crit chance for one strike... ooor you can actually use it after being hit by about 40% of the powers in the game. Seriously, if you've got a Dark Disguise nightblade, just hit them with acid spray, or brawler, or searing strike, or sun fire, or freakin entropy, and they cannot cloak until the DoT goes away. Which you could always refresh. Then, poof, no more nightblade.

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Emperor_Will wrote: »

So every other class should use magelight on their limited skill bar?

No, only those who want to counter the cloak a nightblade has to slot on their limited skill bar.

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jkemmery wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

jkemmery wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

jkemmery wrote: »

Except you can't have every ability slotted, and no one uses Firey Grip because it literally is nothing more than a gap closer.

Really Jkem? No one?

Personofsecrets wrote: »

I actually was using extended chains.

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But, seriously, talons breaks cloaks. So the instant they dodge roll and cloak, you can talons again. It may be dull, but they'll probably run out of resources for cloak before you run out of talons. With the added bonuses that they're going to be burning stamina along side their magicka, you can hit them while rooted, and there's no CC immunity against roots. Letting one run away is probably a mistake. And it's exactly why you put a gap closer on your bar. If you let up the pressure, a NB can retreat to safety and gear up for a second attack. If you keep the pressure on them, you can burn them down fast.

Obviously OP is experiencing issues. I would not recommend using Firey Grip or its morphs in pvp, but hey, if it works for you then great.

Also, talons has a 6 meter range, which is easily dodge rolled out of. Also, once the player is cloaked, it doesn't effect them, so you have to spam it to hold them. If they are already cloaked, talons does not grab them and reveal them. If you have enough armor and magica resources, the only way a magica DK can beat a NB is to talon them, then dot them, spamming talons before it ends every time to make sure they stay locked up. If you can time it out and have more resources than the other player, then you can win. Otherwise, they will cloak up and stealth attack you down.

Okay, I get what you think you're saying, but, seriously, if you're entire bar is nothing but DPS you will lose out to players who are packing the utility skills that let them get the upperhand. You know, case in point. Cloak is strictly utility. So, you need to be ready to counter that.

Again, you're talking about walking up to someone, saying unkind things about their mother, to their face, letting them punch you in the face, and then crying about it, instead of just slotting Radiant Magelight. Or get the Sentry set. Or get an AoE. Or a hard CC. Or, literally, anything that can help you deal with this. Hell, spam the magicka refunding morph of Inhale, and look at the pretty colors, if it helps. But, you can deal with Nightblades if you want to. If you don't want to, then coming onto the forums and crying about how the game is unfair because you're getting mangled by players who are spamming one of the most finicky abilities in the game? Yeah, that is the definition of Learn to Play. There are so many ways you can mutilate a cloak based NB, it's not even funny. Try to find a few.

@starkerealm

Well I'm not the OP, I was just making some statements. So let's take a look at what a DK tank needs on his bar. Gap closer, obviously. Dragon blood for survive ability. Talons or some other CC. Some kind of damage skill, normally whip. And most like to carry a shield, like Igneous Shield or Scales. Where's the counter to cloak? Not there. OK, so what do we give up to put Radiant Magelight on the bar? Take off the gap closer, and you no longer have any kind of mobility. Are you going to sprint to battle? Need Dragon Blood because you are going to get beaten on, so, can't take that off. Really can't tank without a CC, so that stays. Give up damage and, well, what's the point of even being there? I might as well just level up resto staff and heal, I'd be more help to the team. Give up my shield? I could but I run Igneous Shield because it gets applied to my whole team, and that helps tremendously when it comes to winning fights. I don't run scales for that reason. So basically to counter one class ability, which is complete BS to begin with, I have to gimp myself and my team. Personally, the few times I get ganked, I accept that for the good of my team.

It's a screwed up mechanic. Sure, you CAN counter it, but to do so, you have to give up an essential skill to perform your primary function, which is to control the enemy and absorb damage for your team. Moreover, RM has a short range, much shorter than bow attacks or rush attacks, and you are broadcasting that you have is slotted by the mote floating around you, which is basically saying to your attackers "I have gimped myself in an attempt to counter you, please snipe me first."

There is no really effective counter to cloak. All counters come with a cost to you, and your team.

But you know that already, you just don't want your fun taken away.

I see your problem after level 15 you get a whole second bar

Main bar Poison Injection (DoT damage) - Vigor (HoT heal) - Dark Cloak (purge DoTs) - Piercing Mark (40%, heal but mainly anti Nightblade) - Focused Aim (burst damage anti running Sorc )

Melee bar Suprise Attack (burst damage and if user from stealth or cloak sets you off balance), Invasion (CC and gap closer with Mark anti casters) Dark Cloak (double barred cause some DoTs hit hard and poor heals so yea), Fear (eats magic but anti Templar and Dragon Knight forcing them to stop blocking) - Vigor (HoT heal)

As you can see smart players have powers that are useful vs most normal fights Nightblades play the game not countering a key Nightblade skill is dumb, Templar and Dragon Knight tanks play the game counter them, Sorcs play the game have counters ready. Mark's debuff is nice but I only really need it to fight other Nightblades. Ambush is a stronger gap closer and get the stealth bonus but no cc so need the anti caster.

Fear takes too much magic but need to counter tanks. If you play this game and you are mad that you have to slot one power out of ten to counter 25% of the games class you cry too much would I love miss chance or damage buff or even Defensive stance yes I would but that wouldn't help no Vs tanks

You have counters and they work but you don't want to use them then die and shut up. Dragon Knight can reflect go Melee non projectile ranged attack, Templar burn their stamina or heal debuff or both, bolting Sorc Gap close, Cloaked Nightblade do nearly anything. It's up to you to run the counter or die cause you don't want to.