That's it for Templars?

Akinos

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

They really need to make Sun Shield, Obsidian Shield not effected by the 50% shield reduction from battle spirit, or at the very least reduce that reduction to 25% on damage shields that scale from health.

Both of those shields are tiny unless you invest a ton in health, and investing everything into health has the trade off of not being able to kill anything that has a brain.

furthermore, they took away 50% of the damage Blazing Shield does with this nerf directly nerfing our core class ability and damage and directly nerfing magicka Templar;s who are already subpar to begin with in the DPS department compared to Sorcs, DK's and all other stamina builds.

Blazing shield on PTS is exactly how it is on live now. They unnerfed all the skills that were affected twice as much by the battle spirit thing. Soon as I fixed my fps stuttering issue on PTS today, I realized that templars are in a good spot right now, at least on the PTS. It feels nice

Soris

No they just fixed that double nerf effect on it. Its explosion is non affected from battle spirit anymore but shield is still too tiny.
But I agree templar dps is much better than live.

Anazasi

Bumped. Really guys were on page 2 of the PTS forums. Make more comments keep it critical and make suggestions.

Dear ZOS. Since you made blazing shield and its morphs scale off health and then nerfed it by 50% plus made it a deal damage every time it is re-casted based on the incoming damage. Its only good for AOE type damage. Please adjust the cost of this ability to under 1k magic so we can spam it over and over and over. Yes I am serious reduce the cost of this ability.

With 31k health the shield is roughly 5k pointless unless its dealing 5k AOE damage to everyone around me every second with no cost so it can be spammed against the DK's lava whip and the night blades whatever.

Cinbri

https://youtu.be/qiu6RMMNERs?t=143

AfkNinja

I wish we could get the Mana recovery from Rune focus added to one of our passives instead, why don't we have a passive resource regeneration? Then add stamina and health recovery to Rune focus? I would love for some more stamina morphs too, Blazing shield stamina morph? Luminous shards stamina morph? Pretty please.

Also please remove the animation delay from Toppling charge and make it a stamina morph.

Also enduring rays should not lower dps, and it would be great if Eclipse did not become useless if the target is CC immune, and why can we only use it on 1 person? Why is reflective scales so much better...

Any tweaks are welcome really just stop nerfing us. Balancing should be done with buffs and small nerfs not this huge sweeping 50% nerf stuff. Everyone wants to be STRONGER not weaker every patch.

david.haypreub18_ESO

AfkNinja wrote: »

I wish we could get the Mana recovery from Rune focus added to one of our passives instead, why don't we have a passive resource regeneration?

We used to have the equivalent in beta (Restoring Spirit), then ZOS decided that Templars were too powerful and nerfed it before launch:

https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/1zwa6u/an_in_depth_look_at_the_restoring_spirit_nerf/

You could say that Templars have never recovered. I say you could, but ZOS won't.

SeptimusDova

Blazing shield is junk now. activate 6 seconds of disappointment, reactivate 6 seconds of disappointment and so on. better to run absorb magicka or its sister morph than BS. I seen it used in a tank video but that's about it. I doubt it did any thing from what I seen due to its Decreased radius. I did not see it even connect in the video.

AfkNinja

Also please add spell power to Balanced Warrior passive, it sucks that this passive is useless for Magicka Templars.

And more stamina morphs...for real...2 is like nothing.

Takllin

AfkNinja wrote: »

Also please add spell power to Balanced Warrior passive, it sucks that this passive is useless for Magicka Templars.

And more stamina morphs...for real...2 is like nothing.

3*

Agreed on the spell damage boost, they gave Molag Kena spell damage, Sorc passive weapon damage, why not share the love for Templars?

AfkNinja

Forgot about power of the light cause I never use it...I don't like the no critting part. Also can't it be purged? That's so dumb.

Springt-Über-Zwerge

AfkNinja wrote: »

Forgot about power of the light cause I never use it...I don't like the no critting part. Also can't it be purged? That's so dumb.

as far as I know it can crit and even if it doesnt thats a nice skill for pve boss fights

contact.opiumb16_ESO

[Moderator Note: Edited quote to match moderated version]

Nice troll bro'

BugCollector

Thx alot for the patch notes, Zenimax... Still nothing!

Kaliki

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

AfkNinja wrote: »

Forgot about power of the light cause I never use it...I don't like the no critting part. Also can't it be purged? That's so dumb.

as far as I know it can crit and even if it doesnt thats a nice skill for pve boss fights

I dont know why people say that it can crit.
I have never seen it do critical damage above the cap in the tooltip - sometimes FTC does say it is a crit though, but it never does more damage than the cap. Has anyone else got more insight into this?

Although I am using it in my single target rotation, don't really like the skill as it only scales off of magicka. I would prefer if it scaled off of magicka and spell power to make it viable on builds that don't stack magicka (or stamina for the other morph).

Alcast

It can crit, but it can NOT go over the limit, so the crit is 100% useless gg

Kaliki

Alcast wrote: »

It can crit, but it can NOT go over the limit, so the crit is 100% useless gg

Thx for the clarification. Really wish it could truly crit though. Would be an awesome burst skill then.
Its such a thin line between useless and powerful...

Alcast

Kaliki wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

It can crit, but it can NOT go over the limit, so the crit is 100% useless gg

Thx for the clarification. Really wish it could truly crit though. Would be an awesome burst skill then.
Its such a thin line between useless and powerful...

yep, if it could crit then it would be freaking awesomo.

danno8

Alcast wrote: »

It can crit, but it can NOT go over the limit, so the crit is 100% useless gg

And then you look at something like Velocious Curse which has a similar delayed damage mechanic and you wonder why Purifying Light has a damage requirement followed by a cap that can't even be critted over.

Actually we all know why....Templar.

Hey it looks like Sorcerers are going to have Encase fixed to actually be 6 meter width not the crappy 1 meter width it is currently bugged with. So they will have a pretty strong AoE root before Templars get any kind of AoE CC!

Why do we....oh wait yah...Templars.

Cinbri

Alcast wrote: »

It can crit, but it can NOT go over the limit, so the crit is 100% useless gg

You remind me of funny fact that i almost forgot:
On long-forgotten 1.6 PTS crit was able to go over the limit.

Alcast

Cinbri wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

It can crit, but it can NOT go over the limit, so the crit is 100% useless gg

You remind me of funny fact that i almost forgot:
On long-forgotten 1.6 PTS crit was able to go over the limit.

Really? Damn, never noticed that lol. Why did they change that

Springt-Über-Zwerge

Kaliki wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

AfkNinja wrote: »

Forgot about power of the light cause I never use it...I don't like the no critting part. Also can't it be purged? That's so dumb.

as far as I know it can crit and even if it doesnt thats a nice skill for pve boss fights

I dont know why people say that it can crit.
I have never seen it do critical damage above the cap in the tooltip - sometimes FTC does say it is a crit though, but it never does more damage than the cap. Has anyone else got more insight into this?

Although I am using it in my single target rotation, don't really like the skill as it only scales off of magicka. I would prefer if it scaled off of magicka and spell power to make it viable on builds that don't stack magicka (or stamina for the other morph).

Maybe it just cant goover the cap damage so the crit is just usefull for situations where you dont reach the cap like in pvp or solo

Kaliki

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

Maybe it just cant goover the cap damage so the crit is just usefull for situations where you dont reach the cap like in pvp or solo

Well, even solo one reaches the cap easily...
Guess you are right with PvP though, if you can't hit your target well and if the target does not purge it then you might be able to do a bit of damage.
Lots of "ifs".

contact.opiumb16_ESO

Alcast wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

It can crit, but it can NOT go over the limit, so the crit is 100% useless gg

You remind me of funny fact that i almost forgot:
On long-forgotten 1.6 PTS crit was able to go over the limit.

Really? Damn, never noticed that lol. Why did they change that

It's a "fix", as every "fix" for templars it means "ninja nerf". Why ? Because Templar...

Springt-Über-Zwerge

Kaliki wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

Maybe it just cant goover the cap damage so the crit is just usefull for situations where you dont reach the cap like in pvp or solo

Well, even solo one reaches the cap easily...
Guess you are right with PvP though, if you can't hit your target well and if the target does not purge it then you might be able to do a bit of damage.
Lots of "ifs".

Thats true mine has a cap around 18-19 k even as healer I reach that cap easily
Well is it purgeable? Because shadow mantle does not remove it so it pulls all the nightblades out of stealth which is quite useful

danno8

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

Kaliki wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

Maybe it just cant goover the cap damage so the crit is just usefull for situations where you dont reach the cap like in pvp or solo

Well, even solo one reaches the cap easily...
Guess you are right with PvP though, if you can't hit your target well and if the target does not purge it then you might be able to do a bit of damage.
Lots of "ifs".

Thats true mine has a cap around 18-19 k even as healer I reach that cap easily
Well is it purgeable? Because shadow mantle does not remove it so it pulls all the nightblades out of stealth which is quite useful

Cloak only removes "Damage over time" effects according to it's tooltips, unlike Templar Purge which is stated to remove "any negative effect"

Springt-Über-Zwerge

danno8 wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

Kaliki wrote: »

Springt-Über-Zwerge wrote: »

Maybe it just cant goover the cap damage so the crit is just usefull for situations where you dont reach the cap like in pvp or solo

Well, even solo one reaches the cap easily...
Guess you are right with PvP though, if you can't hit your target well and if the target does not purge it then you might be able to do a bit of damage.
Lots of "ifs".

Thats true mine has a cap around 18-19 k even as healer I reach that cap easily
Well is it purgeable? Because shadow mantle does not remove it so it pulls all the nightblades out of stealth which is quite useful

Cloak only removes "Damage over time" effects according to it's tooltips, unlike Templar Purge which is stated to remove "any negative effect"

True but I think I hears something about skills purifying ritual removes but purge doesnt maybe it is one of these. If thats the case only templars can remove it. Although I dont know if its true never tested it myself.

But if the enemy wants to purge it evrytime he will run out of magicka very soon because purge is expensive and power of light is basically for free

booksmcread

danno8 wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

It can crit, but it can NOT go over the limit, so the crit is 100% useless gg

And then you look at something like Velocious Curse which has a similar delayed damage mechanic and you wonder why Purifying Light has a damage requirement followed by a cap that can't even be critted over.

Actually we all know why....Templar.

Hey it looks like Sorcerers are going to have Encase fixed to actually be 6 meter width not the crappy 1 meter width it is currently bugged with. So they will have a pretty strong AoE root before Templars get any kind of AoE CC!

Why do we....oh wait yah...Templars.

#justtemplarthings

david.haypreub18_ESO

Alcast wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

It can crit, but it can NOT go over the limit, so the crit is 100% useless gg

You remind me of funny fact that i almost forgot:
On long-forgotten 1.6 PTS crit was able to go over the limit.

Really? Damn, never noticed that lol. Why did they change that

Because Templars.

Anazasi

david.haypreub18_ESO wrote: »

AfkNinja wrote: »

I wish we could get the Mana recovery from Rune focus added to one of our passives instead, why don't we have a passive resource regeneration?

We used to have the equivalent in beta (Restoring Spirit), then ZOS decided that Templars were too powerful and nerfed it before launch:

https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/1zwa6u/an_in_depth_look_at_the_restoring_spirit_nerf/

You could say that Templars have never recovered. I say you could, but ZOS won't.

Its really funny too because in the first PTS build they increased High Elf Magic regen passive to 12% then by the next patch to PTS they dropped it back to 9% can anyone explain this move? I'm just saying what was the point.

Anazasi

I hate to post this hear because it will another nerf to Templars. Purifying light can not be purged. It will always hit the target and debuff them. No sorc can avoid it with ball lightning. No DK can flap flap and reflect it. It has a capped damage which is fine and frankly that's probably a good thing right. It is a ticking time bomb. It stacks or at least it appears to stack graphically. I have been on live for a few weeks now testing this and spamming it on targets. if I spam it 6 times on a target 1 second intervals the target will take 6 explosions when the timer runs out. Because the damage is capped you can essentially bomb them to death. It will only place one healing circle on the ground. They will not stack. This works well in group play as long as others are doing the damage. Someone with better math skills than I should actually test this out to make sure what I see graphically is actually causing damage.

This will certainly be nerfed if it is working like this.