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Tyrusaran

Pallmor wrote: »

AnAngryGinger wrote: »

What PVP fans don't understand is they've added this mechanic and put new PVE content in a PVP area. If PVE players had new content solely for them, none of this would be an issue.

MMO =/= PVP

PVP is just one aspect.

There is some PvE content in there, but you can only earn stones in the PvP areas. :-(

NO the stones are EARNED in pve and can be STOLEN in pvp wich you must cross to get to safety, eventhough said pvp nabs that steal have not EARNED said stones.

King Bozo

AnAngryGinger wrote: »

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

Witcher 3 here I come...

Cool campaigns are already pop locked

King Bozo

mrskinskull wrote: »

King Bozo wrote: »

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

I have just seen and oddly jolly broadcast from ZOS in which they confirm that IC is basically a w... gankfest for griefers over PvE and proper PvP players... so good luck subscribers or crown paying PvE players ZOS are giggly like loons about you being ganked by griefers... not only that but if groups zerg individuals the group shares the stones... 20 vs 1 is their new sad meta...

This is so frelling sad I am shocked to watch them drool over it..

I had really hoped this would be player friendly but it isn't - this is all about feeding sad trolls...

There is no player friendly options in pvp. All blues and reds must die when I am in pvp and vice versa. Build a pvp build and fight back or else don't come to cyrodill if your afraid of getting owned.

Owned isn't the word for what is about to happen. You may be back here in a while posting about being killed every time you spawn. I think that's what he meant.

Not true I will complete the content and gank my way to the desired armor sets while others farm for them. I think it will be fun for me but maybe not you. Some people don't want the challenge of pvp. They can do dungeons and feel successful because the mechanics never change. In pvp you don't know what to expect which is what gives it lively hood. I think once people learn to pvp it will be a blast. You will earn your stone if you make it out alive.

Pirhana7_ESO

Tyrusaran wrote: »

Freeman wrote: »

Tyrusaran wrote: »

Freeman wrote: »

Psychobunni wrote: »

MCMancub wrote: »

I will never understand this community.

1. Community complains the game is too easy and there's no punishment for dying.
2. ZOS implements Tel Var stones.
3. Community gets upset because there is now punishment for dying...in PvP.

*throws arms in the air and storms off*

Content starved WHOLE community, ZOS adds content for "all" to the side of the game the least amount of players play. Not that hard to grasp why people are upset.

There would be O complaint from PVE'ers if the new gear they were asked to achieve were given to them in a PVE manner. How long have we seen complaints about PVP'ers forced to PVE? (how long has the game been out?) PVE'ers have a year+ of complaining to catch up to

All of the dungeons are scaling to V16 so there will be plenty of V16 gear to get.

http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2015/07/17/the-imperial-city-guide-the-basics

The dungeon difficulty will be scaled to vr16 the loot WILL NOT BE. VR15 and 16 loot is only obtainable through pvp.

FALSE. You can get V16 loot from running the PVE dungeons.

http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2015/07/17/the-imperial-city-guide-the-basics

•Get powerful new Veteran Rank 16 weapons and armor by completing the White-Gold Tower and Imperial City Prison dungeons (and the Undaunted Pledges for them), and Veteran Rank 16 armor sets by trading in your Tel Var Stones.

•Run through the White-Gold Tower or Imperial City Prison dungeons with three friends. (You can also queue for these dungeons outside of the Imperial City, but you must have the DLC game pack.)

HONK, WRONG! you have to enter a pvp zone,. then travel through the pvp zone to get to the IC pvp zone, then travel through IC PVP zone to get to pve dungeons, then you have to either get to an exit through pvp zone or get to your guarded pvp zone to exit.

In short: your ass is toasted by pvp all around you, ganked into oblivion in pvp and you'll lose all your damn stones = no gear for pve players eventhough the stones can ONLY be gathered in pve instances.

The info on the home eso home pahe that came out today says you can port to the IC pve entance from naywhere as long as you have been there to uncover it

King Bozo

Tyrusaran wrote: »

Pallmor wrote: »

AnAngryGinger wrote: »

What PVP fans don't understand is they've added this mechanic and put new PVE content in a PVP area. If PVE players had new content solely for them, none of this would be an issue.

MMO =/= PVP

PVP is just one aspect.

There is some PvE content in there, but you can only earn stones in the PvP areas. :-(

NO the stones are EARNED in pve and can be STOLEN in pvp wich you must cross to get to safety, eventhough said pvp nabs that steal have not EARNED said stones.

There not STOLEN. Look at it this way it's part of the process to make it to safety so you will have to fight back.

FadedJeans

I'm intrigued.

I'm not going to form an opinion until I've tried it all out.

It sounds like they've really worked hard on it.

When I was young I remember going to a Thai restaurant for the first time and thinking that everything sounded disgusting. Chili and peanuts? You're kidding, right?

Man, was I wrong.

Xendyn

Tyrusaran wrote: »

HONK, WRONG! you have to enter a pvp zone,. then travel through the pvp zone to get to the IC pvp zone, then travel through IC PVP zone to get to pve dungeons, then you have to either get to an exit through pvp zone or get to your guarded pvp zone to exit.

In short: your ass is toasted by pvp all around you, ganked into oblivion in pvp and you'll lose all your damn stones = no gear for pve players eventhough the stones can ONLY be gathered in pve instances.

Honk yourself.
All you have to do is discover them the first time, then you can port to them from outside Cyro just as any other group dungeon.
Also there is a questline and dailies that give you stones in unlootable boxes you can safely open when you get to the bank.

MisterBigglesworth

I'm pretty sure:

1) You can zone into the instanced 4-player dungeons without setting foot in Cyrodiil (let alone Imperial City, as long as you discover the entrance at least once, or someone in your party has done so)

2) V16 gear should drop from these instanced non-PvP group dungeons (can anyone confirm this? i'm pretty sure that's correct, it stands to reason the new dungeons would have V16 loot)

3) You can deconstruct V16 gear in order to get special crafting materials in order to craft V16 version of our existing sets.

So there you go. That's your 100% PVE alternative to grinding Tel Var stones.

Rosveen

MisterBigglesworth wrote: »

I'm pretty sure:

1) You can zone into the instanced 4-player dungeons without setting foot in Cyrodiil (let alone Imperial City, as long as you discover the entrance at least once, or someone in your party has done so)

2) V16 gear should drop from these instanced non-PvP group dungeons (can anyone confirm this? i'm pretty sure that's correct, it stands to reason the new dungeons would have V16 loot)

3) You can deconstruct V16 gear in order to get special crafting materials in order to craft V16 version of our existing sets.

So there you go. That's your 100% PVE alternative to grinding Tel Var stones.

It's an alternative to obtaining v16 sets, but not the specific v16 sets bought with Tel Var stones. That said, these sets will be BoE, so you can buy them from other players. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Xendyn

Rosveen wrote: »

It's an alternative to obtaining v16 sets, but not the specific v16 sets bought with Tel Var stones. That said, these sets will be BoE, so you can buy them from other players. Correct me if I'm wrong.

For sure the crafted ones will be, as for the others I don't think they've said yet. Eric did say they are going more into the sets at Quakecon. They are kind of parceling out the info as we go here.

SahrotRein

They justify this idea by saying that you can gank somebody back and get your stones or even more back. So basically you can be both robbed of your stones and also rob somebody of off their stones.
I can totally see myself getting in there and getting manhandled by zergs.
bye

ZOS_GinaBruno

Xendyn wrote: »

Tyrusaran wrote: »

HONK, WRONG! you have to enter a pvp zone,. then travel through the pvp zone to get to the IC pvp zone, then travel through IC PVP zone to get to pve dungeons, then you have to either get to an exit through pvp zone or get to your guarded pvp zone to exit.

In short: your ass is toasted by pvp all around you, ganked into oblivion in pvp and you'll lose all your damn stones = no gear for pve players eventhough the stones can ONLY be gathered in pve instances.

Honk yourself.
All you have to do is discover them the first time, then you can port to them from outside Cyro just as any other group dungeon.
Also there is a questline and dailies that give you stones in unlootable boxes you can safely open when you get to the bank.

You are correct - you do have to discover the dungeons first, but after that, you can queue up for them outside of Cyrodiil or the Imperial City.

RazzPitazz

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Xendyn wrote: »

Tyrusaran wrote: »

HONK, WRONG! you have to enter a pvp zone,. then travel through the pvp zone to get to the IC pvp zone, then travel through IC PVP zone to get to pve dungeons, then you have to either get to an exit through pvp zone or get to your guarded pvp zone to exit.

In short: your ass is toasted by pvp all around you, ganked into oblivion in pvp and you'll lose all your damn stones = no gear for pve players eventhough the stones can ONLY be gathered in pve instances.

Honk yourself.
All you have to do is discover them the first time, then you can port to them from outside Cyro just as any other group dungeon.
Also there is a questline and dailies that give you stones in unlootable boxes you can safely open when you get to the bank.

You are correct - you do have to discover the dungeons first, but after that, you can queue up for them outside of Cyrodiil or the Imperial City.

I assume you will be able to port to the dungeons through the transistus shrine from within Cyrodiil, and normal means outside of Cyrodiil, yes?

Rescorla_ESO

Losing TV stones at death won't be a big deal unless you are below average at PVP. If you are average and win 50% of your encounters and lose 50% of your encounters, you break even and still have roughly the same amount you started with.

PVP needs to be meaningful with repercussions so this could be a step in the right direction. If you are a bad PVPer, should you get the same rewards as good PVPers?

MisterBigglesworth

RustedValor wrote: »

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For some reason I was suddenly reminded of this:
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fallensbane_ESO

RustedValor wrote: »

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I am a PVP player, I am now complaining. Your comment is now invalid lol..Also carebear...lol thanks for that, been awhile since I was around MMO-tards that thought that term was cool back in the early 2,000 era

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Personofsecrets

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

I have just seen and oddly jolly broadcast from ZOS in which they confirm that IC is basically a w... gankfest for griefers over PvE and proper PvP players... so good luck subscribers or crown paying PvE players ZOS are giggly like loons about you being ganked by griefers... not only that but if groups zerg individuals the group shares the stones... 20 vs 1 is their new sad meta...

This is so frelling sad I am shocked to watch them drool over it..

I had really hoped this would be player friendly but it isn't - this is all about feeding sad trolls...

The way that the zos panel chortles and sarcastically gasps over topics that players care about has disgusted me as well. Anyone who mocked players like that under my watch would get the boot.

Alphashado

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Xendyn wrote: »

Tyrusaran wrote: »

HONK, WRONG! you have to enter a pvp zone,. then travel through the pvp zone to get to the IC pvp zone, then travel through IC PVP zone to get to pve dungeons, then you have to either get to an exit through pvp zone or get to your guarded pvp zone to exit.

In short: your ass is toasted by pvp all around you, ganked into oblivion in pvp and you'll lose all your damn stones = no gear for pve players eventhough the stones can ONLY be gathered in pve instances.

Honk yourself.
All you have to do is discover them the first time, then you can port to them from outside Cyro just as any other group dungeon.
Also there is a questline and dailies that give you stones in unlootable boxes you can safely open when you get to the bank.

You are correct - you do have to discover the dungeons first, but after that, you can queue up for them outside of Cyrodiil or the Imperial City.

Will you be able to port to a party member that is inside even if you haven't discovered it yourself? Similar to existing dungeons?

Farorin

So many babies.

this is the nature of PVP. If you don't like it, don't do it, and if you want the gear, either do it properly, or buy it from someone else.

Don't try and wreck what will be awesome fun for those of us that actually do enjoy PVP, considering this is literally our first PVP update since.... Since ever.

Acrolas

At this rate, you're going to get free VR 20 gear if you convince people to come back to the game and play for at least a month without quitting again.

Now that takes skill.

Now excuse me while I trade in these Ref Err Al Stones for CP...

Zershar_Vemod

Farorin wrote: »

So many babies.

this is the nature of PVP. If you don't like it, don't do it, and if you want the gear, either do it properly, or buy it from someone else.

Don't try and wreck what will be awesome fun for those of us that actually do enjoy PVP, considering this is literally our first PVP update since.... Since ever.

Except, you know, this entire thing is the first DLC for the game. You're might as well tell people to just uninstall the game all together with that attitude.

Yattaq

Worried about losing your stones? Bank them. They got 50 stones in no time on the live stream, so the minimum is negligible.

Problem solved. Time to start thinking of the next complaint thread

Lunerdog

Forced PVP for gear progression ?

Forced PVP to experience new content that I've waited months and months for ?

Plus a Zenipants created gankfest thrown in to boot ?




Sub cancelled, stick your new content and your Tel Var stone nonsense where the sun don't shine.


Nobody forces me to do anything, thanks for all the fish.

MissBizz

Lunerdog wrote: »

Forced PVP for gear progression ?

Forced PVP to experience new content that I've waited months and months for ?

Plus a Zenipants created gankfest thrown in to boot ?




Sub cancelled, stick your new content and your Tel Var stone nonsense where the sun don't shine.


Nobody forces me to do anything, thanks for all the fish.

@Lunerdog I had the thought of being forced as well, but have they said hoow many sets will be tel var vs how many sets will be in dungeons? Maybe we will have a good selection of new sets too

MissBizz

Yattaq wrote: »

Worried about losing your stones? Bank them. They got 50 stones in no time on the live stream, so the minimum is negligible.

Problem solved. Time to start thinking of the next complaint thread

They also didn't have anyone trying to kill them. You know, player wise.

SG_Celerrimus

There is always the PTS for feedback.

Paulhewhewria

You know I've done my damnest to stay neutral in this pve vs pvp fight,but for the most part all I see is most of the people who call themselves pvpers basically name calling and insulting people for saying they don't like how Tel Var Stones are being done .I've tried my best to stay neutral and say pvper's are just getting their due since pve got craglorn,but since the lack of content has set in I can't blame either side for wanting more.I'm a PVX player I do a little of everything,but lean towards pve most of the time.All I'm saying is before all you(PVPERs) call people cry babies and other names think about how they feel I mean they invested in this game too and like Elder Scrolls just the same. Like most may have guess I think this new system is a bad idea and would sub-jest another such as armor/weapons needing repair or something if people truly want risk and reward think of a system that doesn't completely screw over your fellow man/player. Let me also add that if the community both pve and pvp weren't content starved at this point I don't think this would be such an issue,but when neither have had anything new in a while and then you chose to mix both pvp and pve together you get this mess.

Farorin

Zershar_Vemod wrote: »

Farorin wrote: »

So many babies.

this is the nature of PVP. If you don't like it, don't do it, and if you want the gear, either do it properly, or buy it from someone else.

Don't try and wreck what will be awesome fun for those of us that actually do enjoy PVP, considering this is literally our first PVP update since.... Since ever.

Except, you know, this entire thing is the first DLC for the game. You're might as well tell people to just uninstall the game all together with that attitude.

It may be the first DLC, but it is not the first major content update, and so far since the very beginning, literally the entirety of content until now has been made for PVE players. This is literally the first thing ever that has been made with PVP in mind since launch, the first bit of attention the PVP players have received, and PVEers are doing everything they can to wreck it, nerf it, and take the risk/reward and excitement out of it, despite the fact that there are purely PVE things in this next content for those that are interested, such as the two new 4 man group dungeons.

BoloBoffin

Tyrusaran wrote: »

Freeman wrote: »

Psychobunni wrote: »

MCMancub wrote: »

I will never understand this community.

1. Community complains the game is too easy and there's no punishment for dying.
2. ZOS implements Tel Var stones.
3. Community gets upset because there is now punishment for dying...in PvP.

*throws arms in the air and storms off*

Content starved WHOLE community, ZOS adds content for "all" to the side of the game the least amount of players play. Not that hard to grasp why people are upset.

There would be O complaint from PVE'ers if the new gear they were asked to achieve were given to them in a PVE manner. How long have we seen complaints about PVP'ers forced to PVE? (how long has the game been out?) PVE'ers have a year+ of complaining to catch up to

All of the dungeons are scaling to V16 so there will be plenty of V16 gear to get.

http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2015/07/17/the-imperial-city-guide-the-basics

The dungeon difficulty will be scaled to vr16 the loot WILL NOT BE. VR15 and 16 loot is only obtainable through pvp.

That's not right.

"Get powerful new Veteran Rank 16 weapons and armor by completing the White-Gold Tower and Imperial City Prison dungeons (and the Undaunted Pledges for them)..."

Farorin

WarlordGrievous wrote: »

You know I've done my damnest to stay neutral in this pve vs pvp fight,but for the most part all I see is most of the people who call themselves pvpers basically name calling and insulting people for saying they don't like how Tel Var Stones are being done .I've tried my best to stay neutral and say pvper's are just getting their due since pve got craglorn,but since the lack of content has set in I can't blame either side for wanting more.I'm a PVX player I do a little of everything,but lean towards pve most of the time.All I'm saying is before all you(PVPERs) call people cry babies and other names think about how they feel I mean they invested in this game too and like Elder Scrolls just the same. Like most may have guess I think this new system is a bad idea and would sub-jest another such as armor/weapons needing repair or something if people truly want risk and reward think of a system that doesn't completely screw over your fellow man/player. Let me also add that if the community both pve and pvp weren't content starved at this point I don't think this would be such an issue,but when neither have had anything new in a while and then you chose to mix both pvp and pve together you get this mess.

You do have a fair point, but of course the PVP players are going to be annoyed when they finally get some content for the first time, and all that happens is others crying for nerfs to the systems and whatnot.

I play both PVE and PVP. I also think it is high time some PVP content was introduced, they did that, and now we get all the PVE players trying to wreck what looks like fun content.

If they don't like it, they don't have to buy it, they can play all the rest of the content that was released for them, which has been a lot, but for now, they could just let the people that want to enjoy some fun PVP enjoy it, and be happy that they weren't the demographic that was being neglected since launch.