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Everything you feared about stones is true... from their live broadcast...
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k2blader✭✭✭✭✭traigusb14_ESO2 wrote: »traigusb14_ESO2 wrote: »traigusb14_ESO2 wrote: »
The stones are divided between all players who killed you, which is supposed to disincentivize zerging because individual returns will be very small in such a large group.So is this correct....?
- People PvE for Tel Var stones (which can be traded in for probably the best VR16 sets in the game)
- If a player who has a stone, or multiple stones, in his bag gets killed by another player, the killer gets the stone(s)?
How does it work if more than one person gets a hit on him? Who gets the stone(s)?
If nothing changes, I will not be buying the Imperial City. I well and truly suck at PvP and I'm not keen on paying for the opportunity to be ganked and robbed. I'm tempted by the two new dungeons, but...
Oh thank you for that info. But what if the poor guy only had one stone? So if 3 people killed him they each get 0.33 of a stone?
Just trying to understand.. >_<
They said if it doesn't divide evenly the extras are given randomly.
Wow, ok, more RNG. Just what I love most about MMOs..... not. >_<
Well it is just for leftovers.. considering a one use teleport stone is 500. Worrying about who gets 1 extra stone randomly because you group overkill someone in PVP seems kinda petty.
It looks like they are trying to encourage groups of 4 (base mobs are 4 stones each). With maybe small teams working together on bosses.
The hope is that bigger PVP fight will be between people with more than 4 stones total.
Uhh, not being petty. Just trying to comprehend this bizarre system. If it's not even possible for someone to only have 1 stone, shoot me, I guess. :-P
Yeah, anyone can hope certain things will happen. But it's not like people are gonna be like, "Oh that dude probably doesn't have much-- I won't attack him." lol
Yeah someone could technically have 1 stone, but it seems unlikely.
Also have to remember engagement distance.
Anyone that is not at their gate to their craft/safe area, or next to a graveyard, will probably have something. If they get far enough from their safe spot (and the other friendly players also fighting away from their safe spot) to a point where you can safely kill them, they will probably have some stones, just from getting to the location where you are fighting.
Doesn't look really solo friendly. Someone soling for 4 stones a pop will probably be right next to the gate to safe area. People you are likely to fight will have come out in a small group (at least) mowing down a lot of stuff on the way... so they will have stones.
Hmm interesting, yes, I can see it playing out that way.. the new meta may be small groups of virtually unkillable sustain/tank builds with a healer or two for good measure.. not going to make PvP much fun IMO.
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Tyrusaran✭✭Psychobunni wrote: »I will never understand this community.- Community complains the game is too easy and there's no punishment for dying.
- ZOS implements Tel Var stones.
- Community gets upset because there is now punishment for dying...in PvP.
*throws arms in the air and storms off*
Content starved WHOLE community, ZOS adds content for "all" to the side of the game the least amount of players play. Not that hard to grasp why people are upset.
There would be O complaint from PVE'ers if the new gear they were asked to achieve were given to them in a PVE manner. How long have we seen complaints about PVP'ers forced to PVE? (how long has the game been out?) PVE'ers have a year+ of complaining to catch up to
All of the dungeons are scaling to V16 so there will be plenty of V16 gear to get.
http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2015/07/17/the-imperial-city-guide-the-basics
The dungeon difficulty will be scaled to vr16 the loot WILL NOT BE. VR15 and 16 loot is only obtainable through pvp.4 -
AnAngryGinger✭✭✭You can still easily get V16 weapons and armor by just running the IC dungeons. No pvp required. And guess what? You can get the materials to craft V16 armor from deconstructing V16 items! Not that hard to understand. You don't NEED the stones to get V16 gear. My god. The stones are just *another* way to get V16 gear and mats.
THEN WHY THE FRICK IS EVERYONE CRYING THEN? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
Ignore all my posts on the matter. Apparently I got sucked into a whiny tornado of misinformation.
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✭✭That is just one way to get high end gear you can do the dungeons as well and the PvPers won't do them as much as a PvEr.Xbox GT: Rex Umbrah
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Actually, they already said that it would. They are going to try different ideas in different campaigns regarding entry criteria. They already said they would be monitoring TV acquisition during PTS and tweaking.
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✭✭✭✭✭Yeah.. and they require money for this ganking aswell?
let's first start by removing the champion system.. untill then this is a very very very very very bad idea.
The champion system is fine. It rewards work and effort. The VR system and the champion system together is the issue.
We were lead to believe that the champion system would replace VR. Now it seems that was not a true statement so here lies that issue
VR needed to be removed with Imperial City release.
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WebBull✭✭✭✭✭
✭SOOO much whining and complaining.... it's ridiculous.
Why won't anyone actually read this?: http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2015/07/17/the-imperial-city-guide-the-basics
Really people. Stop complaining. There are plenty of ways for you to safeguard your stones. Just be intelligent about it.
The whining comes from a shocked PvE community. I wish a had a Tel Var stone for every time I read someone tell PvPer's that this was a PvE game. Guess what, It's not.0 -
Freeman✭✭✭Psychobunni wrote: »I will never understand this community.- Community complains the game is too easy and there's no punishment for dying.
- ZOS implements Tel Var stones.
- Community gets upset because there is now punishment for dying...in PvP.
*throws arms in the air and storms off*
Content starved WHOLE community, ZOS adds content for "all" to the side of the game the least amount of players play. Not that hard to grasp why people are upset.
There would be O complaint from PVE'ers if the new gear they were asked to achieve were given to them in a PVE manner. How long have we seen complaints about PVP'ers forced to PVE? (how long has the game been out?) PVE'ers have a year+ of complaining to catch up to
All of the dungeons are scaling to V16 so there will be plenty of V16 gear to get.
http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2015/07/17/the-imperial-city-guide-the-basics
The dungeon difficulty will be scaled to vr16 the loot WILL NOT BE. VR15 and 16 loot is only obtainable through pvp.
FALSE. You can get V16 loot from running the PVE dungeons.
http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2015/07/17/the-imperial-city-guide-the-basics
•Get powerful new Veteran Rank 16 weapons and armor by completing the White-Gold Tower and Imperial City Prison dungeons (and the Undaunted Pledges for them), and Veteran Rank 16 armor sets by trading in your Tel Var Stones.
•Run through the White-Gold Tower or Imperial City Prison dungeons with three friends. (You can also queue for these dungeons outside of the Imperial City, but you must have the DLC game pack.)0 -
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✭They really, really, really want this game to be the ultimate PvP experience.
Good luck with that. You haven't succeeded so far.5 -
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✭SuraklinPrime wrote: »I have just seen and oddly jolly broadcast from ZOS in which they confirm that IC is basically a w... gankfest for griefers over PvE and proper PvP players... so good luck subscribers or crown paying PvE players ZOS are giggly like loons about you being ganked by griefers... not only that but if groups zerg individuals the group shares the stones... 20 vs 1 is their new sad meta...
This is so frelling sad I am shocked to watch them drool over it..
I had really hoped this would be player friendly but it isn't - this is all about feeding sad trolls...
They even CALLED IT GANKING. Wow, just wow.8 -
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✭✭AnAngryGinger wrote: »AnAngryGinger wrote: »What PVP fans don't understand is they've added this mechanic and put new PVE content in a PVP area. If PVE players had new content solely for them, none of this would be an issue.
MMO =/= PVP
PVP is just one aspect.
Umm, PvE players get 2 brand new 4 player dungeons.
Umm, they are in a PVP zone.
Don't quote me.
Once you discover them, you will be able to access them from outside, just like any other group dungeon.Lag is ruinin' my 'mershun!
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✭AnAngryGinger wrote: »What PVP fans don't understand is they've added this mechanic and put new PVE content in a PVP area. If PVE players had new content solely for them, none of this would be an issue.
MMO =/= PVP
PVP is just one aspect.
There is some PvE content in there, but you can only earn stones in the PvP areas. :-(3 -
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✭✭SuraklinPrime wrote: »AnAngryGinger wrote: »What PVP fans don't understand is they've added this mechanic and put new PVE content in a PVP area. If PVE players had new content solely for them, none of this would be an issue.
MMO =/= PVP
PVP is just one aspect.
Umm, PvE players get 2 brand new 4 player dungeons.
And 3 of 6 IC areas if anyone bothers to do basic comprehension - thus the query about why PvE players are being forced to run through the ZOS devs weird personal sex-dungeon simply to get gear?
Many people have been looking for a sense of danger & consequence in PvP.
It currently isn't there: you just zerg zerg zerg the same keeps over & over for little to no reward.
This DLC is finally going to bring that. I don't see why that would be a bad thing, considering the "PvE only" folks are getting pure PvE content as well in form of those two group dungeons and can still do the other content without risk via dailies.
Everyone gets something with this DLC.
Decimus: Basically 'cos while I know what you are saying most people playing are NOT looking for 'consequence' - because for them consequence equals players like us taking advantage of our PvP experience to own them.
This is not a 'consequence' game - and frankly if it is then most players will leave and we'll be left 'playing' on our own....GM - Malazan
Raid Leader - Hungry Wolves
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Pallmor✭✭✭✭✭
✭traigusb14_ESO2 wrote: »traigusb14_ESO2 wrote: »traigusb14_ESO2 wrote: »
The stones are divided between all players who killed you, which is supposed to disincentivize zerging because individual returns will be very small in such a large group.So is this correct....?
- People PvE for Tel Var stones (which can be traded in for probably the best VR16 sets in the game)
- If a player who has a stone, or multiple stones, in his bag gets killed by another player, the killer gets the stone(s)?
How does it work if more than one person gets a hit on him? Who gets the stone(s)?
If nothing changes, I will not be buying the Imperial City. I well and truly suck at PvP and I'm not keen on paying for the opportunity to be ganked and robbed. I'm tempted by the two new dungeons, but...
Oh thank you for that info. But what if the poor guy only had one stone? So if 3 people killed him they each get 0.33 of a stone?
Just trying to understand.. >_<
They said if it doesn't divide evenly the extras are given randomly.
Wow, ok, more RNG. Just what I love most about MMOs..... not. >_<
Well it is just for leftovers.. considering a one use teleport stone is 500. Worrying about who gets 1 extra stone randomly because you group overkill someone in PVP seems kinda petty.
It looks like they are trying to encourage groups of 4 (base mobs are 4 stones each). With maybe small teams working together on bosses.
The hope is that bigger PVP fight will be between people with more than 4 stones total.
Uhh, not being petty. Just trying to comprehend this bizarre system. If it's not even possible for someone to only have 1 stone, shoot me, I guess. :-P
Yeah, anyone can hope certain things will happen. But it's not like people are gonna be like, "Oh that dude probably doesn't have much-- I won't attack him." lol
Yeah someone could technically have 1 stone, but it seems unlikely.
Another bad thing is that since players won't be able to see how many (if any) stones you have, the incentive will be to gank EVERYONE who comes through IC.
There goes any hope of a nice neutral area for players in different factions to have a pleasant meet and greet. ;-)
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NDwarf✭✭✭AnAngryGinger wrote: »You can still easily get V16 weapons and armor by just running the IC dungeons. No pvp required. And guess what? You can get the materials to craft V16 armor from deconstructing V16 items! Not that hard to understand. You don't NEED the stones to get V16 gear. My god. The stones are just *another* way to get V16 gear and mats.
THEN WHY THE FRICK IS EVERYONE CRYING THEN? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
Ignore all my posts on the matter. Apparently I got sucked into a whiny tornado of misinformation.
So, it looks like there are 2 avenues to getting stones, one for pvp'ers, one for pve'ers and one for the rest of us that do a little of both. No wait, that's three avenues!
...unless there's a ganker at the end of every avenue, NOOOOOOOO! *faints like a Southern Belle*
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✭✭SuraklinPrime wrote: »I have just seen and oddly jolly broadcast from ZOS in which they confirm that IC is basically a w... gankfest for griefers over PvE and proper PvP players... so good luck subscribers or crown paying PvE players ZOS are giggly like loons about you being ganked by griefers... not only that but if groups zerg individuals the group shares the stones... 20 vs 1 is their new sad meta...
This is so frelling sad I am shocked to watch them drool over it..
I had really hoped this would be player friendly but it isn't - this is all about feeding sad trolls...
They even CALLED IT GANKING. Wow, just wow.
Go start a poll titled -'Do you want to pay $20 and get ganked without seeing any rewards'?
My guess is - welcome to solo play...GM - Malazan
Raid Leader - Hungry Wolves
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✭✭✭✭SuraklinPrime wrote: »SuraklinPrime wrote: »AnAngryGinger wrote: »What PVP fans don't understand is they've added this mechanic and put new PVE content in a PVP area. If PVE players had new content solely for them, none of this would be an issue.
MMO =/= PVP
PVP is just one aspect.
Umm, PvE players get 2 brand new 4 player dungeons.
And 3 of 6 IC areas if anyone bothers to do basic comprehension - thus the query about why PvE players are being forced to run through the ZOS devs weird personal sex-dungeon simply to get gear?
Many people have been looking for a sense of danger & consequence in PvP.
It currently isn't there: you just zerg zerg zerg the same keeps over & over for little to no reward.
This DLC is finally going to bring that. I don't see why that would be a bad thing, considering the "PvE only" folks are getting pure PvE content as well in form of those two group dungeons and can still do the other content without risk via dailies.
Everyone gets something with this DLC.
Decimus: Basically 'cos while I know what you are saying most people playing are NOT looking for 'consequence' - because for them consequence equals players like us taking advantage of our PvP experience to own them.
This is not a 'consequence' game - and frankly if it is then most players will leave and we'll be left 'playing' on our own....
As long as it doesn't become a "consequence game" only, I don't see the problem. It adds diversity & more ways of playing the game, an option to the zerg zerg zerg that causes many people to quit the game altogether.
If one does not like this "consequence game", he can choose not to participate in it and do something else (like the new group dungeons).
Once the next DLC after this arrives & brings PvE content only, or a new 24-man raid even, I'm sure some people will be upset, especially PvPers.
But in the end, as long as there's something to do for every type of player, it's good for the game's health.1 -
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✭SuraklinPrime wrote: »SuraklinPrime wrote: »I have just seen and oddly jolly broadcast from ZOS in which they confirm that IC is basically a w... gankfest for griefers over PvE and proper PvP players... so good luck subscribers or crown paying PvE players ZOS are giggly like loons about you being ganked by griefers... not only that but if groups zerg individuals the group shares the stones... 20 vs 1 is their new sad meta...
This is so frelling sad I am shocked to watch them drool over it..
I had really hoped this would be player friendly but it isn't - this is all about feeding sad trolls...
They even CALLED IT GANKING. Wow, just wow.
Go start a poll titled -'Do you want to pay $20 and get ganked without seeing any rewards'?
My guess is - welcome to solo play...
There are definitely people out there who would pay $20 to get abused. But I'm not one of them. ;-)4 -
So i short terms, if you are a solo player, a small group you are ***. Its all about runing around i zerg groups again. Anless you are a 2hander/ stealh - one shooter. NIce
FFFRRREEEDDDOOOMMM!!!
- Be Anyone.
- Do Anything.
- Go Anywhere.2 -
Hiero_Glyph✭✭✭✭✭AFAIK, on stream ZoS stated that you do not get Tel Var stones from either IC dungeon.4 -
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✭✭✭✭SuraklinPrime wrote: »SuraklinPrime wrote: »AnAngryGinger wrote: »What PVP fans don't understand is they've added this mechanic and put new PVE content in a PVP area. If PVE players had new content solely for them, none of this would be an issue.
MMO =/= PVP
PVP is just one aspect.
Umm, PvE players get 2 brand new 4 player dungeons.
And 3 of 6 IC areas if anyone bothers to do basic comprehension - thus the query about why PvE players are being forced to run through the ZOS devs weird personal sex-dungeon simply to get gear?
Many people have been looking for a sense of danger & consequence in PvP.
It currently isn't there: you just zerg zerg zerg the same keeps over & over for little to no reward.
This DLC is finally going to bring that. I don't see why that would be a bad thing, considering the "PvE only" folks are getting pure PvE content as well in form of those two group dungeons and can still do the other content without risk via dailies.
Everyone gets something with this DLC.
Decimus: Basically 'cos while I know what you are saying most people playing are NOT looking for 'consequence' - because for them consequence equals players like us taking advantage of our PvP experience to own them.
This is not a 'consequence' game - and frankly if it is then most players will leave and we'll be left 'playing' on our own....
As long as it doesn't become a "consequence game" only, I don't see the problem. It adds diversity & more ways of playing the game, an option to the zerg zerg zerg that causes many people to quit the game altogether.
If one does not like this "consequence game", he can choose not to participate in it and do something else (like the new group dungeons).
Once the next DLC after this arrives & brings PvE content only, or a new 24-man raid even, I'm sure some people will be upset, especially PvPers.
But in the end, as long as there's something to do for every type of player, it's good for the game's health.
Do what the other Dungeons theyve ran for a year now? Everyone knows that the area is both PvE and PvP. Its not PvP only. If its not going to be friendly to PvEers then there doesnt need to be such an emphasis on PvE content in the area. And the Gear should be accessible without having to expose ones self to ganking.Penniless Sellsword CompanyCaptain Paramount - Jorrhaq VhentKorith Eaglecry * Enrerion Aedihle * Laerinel Rhaev * Caius Berilius * Seylina Ithvala * H'Vak the GrimjawlTenarei Rhaev * Dazsh Ro Khar * Yynril Rothvani * Bathes-In-Coin * Anaelle Faerniil * Azjani Ma'LesAban Shahid Bakr * Kheshna gra-Gharbuk * Gallisten Bondurant * Etain Maquier * Atsu Kalame * Faulpia SeverinusWhat is better, to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort? - Paarthurnax2 -
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I subscribe, so I will have access to IC. If I don't like it, I will just wait for the next DLC which is coming.
I passed on the crystal princess pony, but will gladly pay $20 for an armored bear mount.
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Edited by ZOS_Racheal on July 17, 2015 11:33PMPS4 Pro NA1 -
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✭✭After reading the four pages so far, I am not definitely NOT purchasing Imperial City. I will save my money and wait for Orsinium.Far too many characters to list any more.6 -
Most_Awesome✭✭✭✭✭God help anyone on the same TS server as me if I get ganked and lose everything!3 -
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and dieAkavir_Sentinel wrote: »If that is the case, then those who mainly PvE (such as myself) are simply going to have to go into IC with a large group1 -
Tyrusaran✭✭Psychobunni wrote: »I will never understand this community.
- Community complains the game is too easy and there's no punishment for dying.
- ZOS implements Tel Var stones.
- Community gets upset because there is now punishment for dying...in PvP.
*throws arms in the air and storms off*
Content starved WHOLE community, ZOS adds content for "all" to the side of the game the least amount of players play. Not that hard to grasp why people are upset.
There would be O complaint from PVE'ers if the new gear they were asked to achieve were given to them in a PVE manner. How long have we seen complaints about PVP'ers forced to PVE? (how long has the game been out?) PVE'ers have a year+ of complaining to catch up to
All of the dungeons are scaling to V16 so there will be plenty of V16 gear to get.
http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2015/07/17/the-imperial-city-guide-the-basics
The dungeon difficulty will be scaled to vr16 the loot WILL NOT BE. VR15 and 16 loot is only obtainable through pvp.
FALSE. You can get V16 loot from running the PVE dungeons.
http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2015/07/17/the-imperial-city-guide-the-basics
•Get powerful new Veteran Rank 16 weapons and armor by completing the White-Gold Tower and Imperial City Prison dungeons (and the Undaunted Pledges for them), and Veteran Rank 16 armor sets by trading in your Tel Var Stones.
•Run through the White-Gold Tower or Imperial City Prison dungeons with three friends. (You can also queue for these dungeons outside of the Imperial City, but you must have the DLC game pack.)
HONK, WRONG! you have to enter a pvp zone,. then travel through the pvp zone to get to the IC pvp zone, then travel through IC PVP zone to get to pve dungeons, then you have to either get to an exit through pvp zone or get to your guarded pvp zone to exit.
In short: your ass is toasted by pvp all around you, ganked into oblivion in pvp and you'll lose all your damn stones = no gear for pve players eventhough the stones can ONLY be gathered in pve instances.1 -
King Bozo✭✭✭SuraklinPrime wrote: »SuraklinPrime wrote: »I have just seen and oddly jolly broadcast from ZOS in which they confirm that IC is basically a w... gankfest for griefers over PvE and proper PvP players... so good luck subscribers or crown paying PvE players ZOS are giggly like loons about you being ganked by griefers... not only that but if groups zerg individuals the group shares the stones... 20 vs 1 is their new sad meta...
This is so frelling sad I am shocked to watch them drool over it..
I had really hoped this would be player friendly but it isn't - this is all about feeding sad trolls...
There is no player friendly options in pvp. All blues and reds must die when I am in pvp and vice versa. Build a pvp build and fight back or else don't come to cyrodill if your afraid of getting owned.SuraklinPrime wrote: »I have just seen and oddly jolly broadcast from ZOS in which they confirm that IC is basically a w... gankfest for griefers over PvE and proper PvP players... so good luck subscribers or crown paying PvE players ZOS are giggly like loons about you being ganked by griefers... not only that but if groups zerg individuals the group shares the stones... 20 vs 1 is their new sad meta...
This is so frelling sad I am shocked to watch them drool over it..
I had really hoped this would be player friendly but it isn't - this is all about feeding sad trolls...
There is no player friendly options in pvp. All blues and reds must die when I am in pvp and vice versa. Build a pvp build and fight back or else don't come to cyrodill if your afraid of getting owned.
For sure, but you can't steal my gear - I expect you to try and kill me (and then die trying) but when one of us dies we keep the things we worked for.
You will have to be more cautious instead of having things handed to you
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