Console text chat discussion

amatic

Iv got a chatpad..also one of those mini wireless keyboard pads...would be epic for this game.

xMegaJohn wrote: »

I would love a text chat box. Especially if Microsoft and Sony make Chatpad's for these consoles like they did with the last Gen consoles. I can't believe that these still aren't available yet. I always used both my 360, and PS3 with the Chatpad attached. The Smartglass functions wouldn't really be good, and neither would Controller text entry, since both would use an on screen display that would block 75% of the screen.

Varicite

defcon.dealer1b14_ESO wrote: »

If u haven't been able to understand by now, there is no reason to keep going round and round with u. Typing the same thing over and over hasn't helped, so feel free to assume/guess watever u like man. my stance and reasons haven't changed and they will not. Apparently neither will urs...which I am not trying to sway urs as u are mine.

It's very hard to understand something that doesn't actually exist.

I don't care what you wrote in some other thread that has since been locked that I never saw. If you want to continue discussing the matter here, in this thread, you'll need to actually state your reasons for believing that it would be a hindrance to have optional text chat.

I'm not going to look for these obscure posts and polls that have been locked that you keep alluding to, that's completely asinine.

I'm not trying to "sway you" at all. I'm discussing a topic on an internet forum, which is exactly what we are supposed to be doing.

But you aren't bringing anything to the table, unfortunately, except for just "No, I don't like it". Plenty of others have also pointed out your lack of any real point, and I've asked you to clarify why you feel so passionately that it would be a detriment to the game itself.

...but you won't. You say you care about the game, but apparently not enough to actually make a coherent argument.

I've been very clear about why I feel that the inclusion of BOTH text and voice chat would better the ESO gaming environment, as have others. I've only asked that you do the same, which you feel is somehow unfair.

/shrug

Zusia211

^Word of advice stop even bothering him or quoting him. He hasn't really given reasons why it shouldn't be. It is obvious he is either trolling or has that "i am right you are wrong attitude." Only reason I seen from anyone against is just be hard to type while sitting back in a chair....at least better then saying, i don't want it cause I don't....

Ace_of_Destiny

OPTIONAL Text Chat Please.

wazzaroo

This was an issue debated to great lengths by those of us who participated in the console beta and the general consensus was that those in favor of text chat vastly outnumbered those against it. I've yet to see a valid argument as to why such a fundamental feature like text chat shouldn't be added.

That being said, if you're curious as to what ZOS' current stance on the matter is:

ZOS_Sage ZeniMax - Creative Director

Text chat wasn’t added to the consoles because of a number of factors. First, many of our early tests demonstrated what we already knew: it can be cumbersome to type in a text chat with a controller, especially when time counts. This is why we decided to make sure VOIP was integrated into the game from the beginning and why we added our quick chat feature. Second, displaying text for an environment such as couch and TV requires larger fonts. Having small, almost unreadable text is very problematic. A chat window, typical on a PC, just doesn’t translate as well to a living room environment. Having a chat window that was useful, as in legible, meant it was so big it was covering up lots of other elements. These and a few other factors meant we concentrated more on VOIP and Quick Chat. They were the most reliable and best means of communication in the living room environment.
Is it possible we could have a text chat? Yes. Will we? I don’t think we can safely say one way or another. It probably is safe to say if we add a more text centric way to chat it won’t be a straight chat window.
Also, please make sure you mute your Kinect when you don't want to be heard by everyone.

WelshAssassin1987

No text chat is my only issue with this game. I really don't see any reason for not having it with a toggle off option. I can see this causing players to quit in the future. Especially when certain players are abusing the only way of communication by screaming, burping and farting in area chat. Don't think ZoS took into account how many idiots own a mic these days.

Varicite

@wazzaroo I've read that statement as well, but he does plainly say that text chat in some form is still a possibility for the future.

Thus, I think it's important for those of us who are interested in seeing such a feature implemented to make our opinions heard so that they know that interest exists.

Many other games have solved these seemingly negligible problems such as font sizes and are currently enjoying success on the very same platforms that ESO exists on, so I feel that saying that text chat doesn't translate to the living room to be somewhat of a cop-out when it's been employed to great success elsewhere.

The quick-chat wheel is a nice idea and comes in handy for some things, but is simply inadequate for many others. VOIP is also in the same boat where it just falls short for certain activities.

I still wholeheartedly believe the key is proper integration and inclusion of BOTH of these systems so that players can use them in tandem, switching to either whichever method they feel most comfortable w/ or using whichever method is more suitable for the required task.

Rika_shinozaki

I'll throw in my 2 cents here.

Even though I'm a console gamer, I couldn't imagine playing without a keyboard. Sure, vc is great, in dungeons and raids, but not really anywhere else. Final fantasy 14 is a great example of how well text chat can work on console, since both pc and console players are on the same servers,and there's no separation between the 2. There is also no voice chat in the game, and they will never add it. Text chat on console is still a great thing, and I am terribly confused why it wasn't added.

Pure voice chat is like communism, good on paper, terrible in practice

wazzaroo

Varicite wrote: »

@wazzaroo I've read that statement as well, but he does plainly say that text chat in some form is still a possibility for the future.

Thus, I think it's important for those of us who are interested in seeing such a feature implemented to make our opinions heard so that they know that interest exists.

Many other games have solved these seemingly negligible problems such as font sizes and are currently enjoying success on the very same platforms that ESO exists on, so I feel that saying that text chat is somewhat of a cop-out when it's been employed to great success elsewhere.

The quick-chat wheel is a nice idea and comes in handy for some things, but is simply inadequate for many others. VOIP is also in the same boat where it just falls short for certain activities.

I still wholeheartedly believe the key is proper integration and inclusion of BOTH of these systems so that players can use them in tandem, switching to either whichever method they feel most comfortable w/ or using whichever method is more suitable for the required task.

I completely agree.

Dahkoht

Again , Zenimax thinks console players are not as smart as PC players. Their reasoning on repeated issues like text chat , controller button remapping , etc has been

" We thought it would be too confusing for players"

They don't trust console players to choose their own controls, or have the OPTION of using text chat.


Apparently FFXIV ARR PS4 players are all Mensa members and the exception , because you can do all of these things in that on the,gasp, console.

Seriously , I'm surprised more aren't irritated that Zenimax pulls out the " we didn't want to confuse you" card for all these things that other games on the console have been doing for years.

Gidorick

We just need an updated version of....

nastuug

Gidorick wrote: »

We just need an updated version of....

@Gidorick

Sallington

Dahkoht wrote: »

Again , Zenimax thinks console players are not as smart as PC players. Their reasoning on repeated issues like text chat , controller button remapping , etc has been

" We thought it would be too confusing for players"

They don't trust console players to choose their own controls, or have the OPTION of using text chat.


Apparently FFXIV ARR PS4 players are all Mensa members and the exception , because you can do all of these things in that on the,gasp, console.

Seriously , I'm surprised more aren't irritated that Zenimax pulls out the " we didn't want to confuse you" card for all these things that other games on the console have been doing for years.

Seriously. Why people are against an addition OPTIONAL way to communicate is some of the most backwards logic I've seen on these forums?

Do the consoles HAVE to be different or something? Do you need to feel unique by not having text chat?

Peekachu99

Why is this still a "discussion"? Even White Knight Chronicles (which was oddly enjoyable) for the PS3 had text chat. Why are people still acting as if this isn't an issue when there are clearly known and accepted issues regarding trade, guild-forming, and grouping (newsflash, the party finder STILL doesn't work) when voice chat is our only option?

ZoS just need to fix the mess they've created. Even though no one will care in a month, so maybe they're just cashing in on console purchases and waiting for the furor to die down and the interest to go elsewhere.

Amiculi

Dahkoht wrote: »

Again , Zenimax thinks console players are not as smart as PC players. Their reasoning on repeated issues like text chat , controller button remapping , etc has been

" We thought it would be too confusing for players"

They don't trust console players to choose their own controls, or have the OPTION of using text chat.


Apparently FFXIV ARR PS4 players are all Mensa members and the exception , because you can do all of these things in that on the,gasp, console.

Seriously , I'm surprised more aren't irritated that Zenimax pulls out the " we didn't want to confuse you" card for all these things that other games on the console have been doing for years.

Slow down man, you're using far too many big words for us stupid console players. "Irritated"? Is that even a word? You've forced me into an existential quandary over the nature of communication and I'm afraid I'll be overwhelmed by lugubriousness e'erlong, much too forlorn to participate in any further detraction from the Zenimax overlords.

Now pretend that I ate chips into the mic for 15 minutes before disparaging your mother.

nastuug

Amiculi wrote: »

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Dahkoht wrote: »

Again , Zenimax thinks console players are not as smart as PC players. Their reasoning on repeated issues like text chat , controller button remapping , etc has been

" We thought it would be too confusing for players"

They don't trust console players to choose their own controls, or have the OPTION of using text chat.


Apparently FFXIV ARR PS4 players are all Mensa members and the exception , because you can do all of these things in that on the,gasp, console.

Seriously , I'm surprised more aren't irritated that Zenimax pulls out the " we didn't want to confuse you" card for all these things that other games on the console have been doing for years.

Slow down man, you're using far too many big words for us stupid console players. "Irritated"? Is that even a word? You've forced me into an existential quandary over the nature of communication and I'm afraid I'll be overwhelmed by lugubriousness e'erlong, much too forlorn to participate in any further detraction from the Zenimax overlords.

Now pretend that I ate chips into the mic for 15 minutes before disparaging your mother.

You missed a comma riiiiiiiight there, buddy.

Gidorick

Many people on this forum don't like the concept of "options" @Sallington. They have the way THEY think this game should be played and they think everyone should play like them.

Of course the reason they give is that whatever feature is "unneeded" and developing that feature would take away from the development of additional content....

you know, because the writers, 3d modelers, the animators, the level designers, and the voice actors would be the people that would design and code text chat.... [/sarcasm]

nastuug

Gidorick wrote: »

Many people on this forum don't like the concept of "options" @Sallington. They have the way THEY think this game should be played and they think everyone should play like them.

Of course the reason they give is that whatever feature is "unneeded" and developing that feature would take away from the development of additional content....

you know, because the writers, 3d modelers, the animators, the level designers, and the voice actors would be the people that would design and code text chat.... [/sarcasm]

Germal

Peekachu99 wrote: »

ZoS just need to fix the mess they've created. Even though no one will care in a month, so maybe they're just cashing in on console purchases and waiting for the furor to die down and the interest to go elsewhere.

+1

played so many MMOs over the years and hope even more will rise on consoles like FF 14, its just perfect balanced for consoles from gameplay to UI. The missing text didnt bothered me to much last 2 days but now i somehow feel angry when i log in and see such an UI mess. I hope for the sake of this game they will adress it, when not R.I.P, cant survive in the mmo market without something that simple in my opinion
At least FF14 does well and when ESO doesnt improve cause devs dont listen,dont care, or the " immersionists" cry, thats the way to go for a console MMO than.

navyspeed

It sounds like people don't care about the argument on either side.

Why it shouldn't be in the game is because it doesn't need it. If you add it you allow people to move away from their primary communication in voice chat. So you would then only have people that used voice chat and people that used text chat. Stop crying and grow a pair and talk to someone that you have never met. I have met new people either helping them or them helping me. Voice chat is an excellent tool that doesn't cause stoppage in game play to try to type out something.

Stop using liberal logic to divide people. Enjoy the game as it is.

nastuug

navyspeed wrote: »

It sounds like people don't care about the argument on either side.

Why it shouldn't be in the game is because it doesn't need it. If you add it you allow people to move away from their primary communication in voice chat. So you would then only have people that used voice chat and people that used text chat. Stop crying and grow a pair and talk to someone that you have never met. I have met new people either helping them or them helping me. Voice chat is an excellent tool that doesn't cause stoppage in game play to try to type out something.

Stop using liberal logic to divide people. Enjoy the game as it is.

Yeah, that dastardly liberal logic... lol

Sallington

navyspeed wrote: »

It sounds like people don't care about the argument on either side.

Why it shouldn't be in the game is because it doesn't need it. If you add it you allow people to move away from their primary communication in voice chat. So you would then only have people that used voice chat and people that used text chat. Stop crying and grow a pair and talk to someone that you have never met. I have met new people either helping them or them helping me. Voice chat is an excellent tool that doesn't cause stoppage in game play to try to type out something.

Stop using liberal logic to divide people. Enjoy the game as it is.

"I bought the game how it is dang nabbit! And I'll be a monkey's uncle if someone is going to convince me it's the not the perfect quality product I was told it is!"

You must really hate the MMO genre if you can't handle updates and improvements to something you bought.

Varicite

navyspeed wrote: »

It sounds like people don't care about the argument on either side.

Why it shouldn't be in the game is because it doesn't need it. If you add it you allow people to move away from their primary communication in voice chat. So you would then only have people that used voice chat and people that used text chat. Stop crying and grow a pair and talk to someone that you have never met. I have met new people either helping them or them helping me. Voice chat is an excellent tool that doesn't cause stoppage in game play to try to type out something.

Stop using liberal logic to divide people. Enjoy the game as it is.

Yeah, I guess I should also stop testing the game and finding / getting them to fix bugs as well, because after all, the game didn't need that either.

Don't bother to thank me when they fix Blade Cloak and morphs or Double-Take in the next content update, as I'm sure you probably wouldn't have noticed or cared that they were broken anyway.

I'm sure you would've just enjoyed the game as it is.

But some of us actually do care and want the game to be enjoyed as it's intended to be, and many of the systems the game depends on were designed 100% w/ text chat in mind and now that it's missing, those systems are clunky and hard to use.

So you just go right on ahead enjoying the game "as it is". I'll be busy continuing to fix it for ungrateful players, as I've been doing for the past year+, because I happen to believe in ESO's potential.

ConnorJS

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defcon.dealer1b14_ESO wrote: »

I don't see any little poll demanding the PC version to add VC....maybe there is...idk, but if so, I'm sure it got/gets flamed by the texter chatter box peeps.

What about the ONLY (and I do mean ONLY) sensible option of having both Text Chat and Voice Chat as viable options on all platforms.

All The Best

You sir. Are legend. I don't know how anyone else hasn't thought of that.

Silence1684

If the add it I hope it would be optional. I don't want it on my screen, I hate text boxes.

Varicite

Silence1684 wrote: »

If the add it I hope it would be optional. I don't want it on my screen, I hate text boxes.

They'd be completely remiss if it wasn't optional.

Heck, you can minimize the text chat so it isn't visible on the PC version and that doesn't even have any other methods of communication.

Nobody wants it NOT to be optional. We just want it to exist. : )

nastuug

Varicite wrote: »

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Silence1684 wrote: »

If the add it I hope it would be optional. I don't want it on my screen, I hate text boxes.

They'd be completely remiss if it wasn't optional.

Heck, you can minimize the text chat so it isn't visible on the PC version and that doesn't even have any other methods of communication.

Nobody wants it NOT to be optional. We just want it to exist. : )

'Zactly.

Spottswoode

I'd be willing to bet good money that 80% of console players, at minimum, have a smartphone and wifi access. Smart phone sales now eclipse home computer sales worldwide. (True story.) So it's entirely possible to communicate through phone apps at the current moment. You'd just have to pick a common app to operate off of. IRC apps would be good enough for the time being and the most multi operating system friendly.

Silence1684 wrote: »

If the add it I hope it would be optional. I don't want it on my screen, I hate text boxes.

It's optional on the PC version. I turn off zone chat when I'm in non-vet zones. (For reasons all vet players intimately understand.)

nastuug wrote: »

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navyspeed wrote: »

It sounds like people don't care about the argument on either side.

Why it shouldn't be in the game is because it doesn't need it. If you add it you allow people to move away from their primary communication in voice chat. So you would then only have people that used voice chat and people that used text chat. Stop crying and grow a pair and talk to someone that you have never met. I have met new people either helping them or them helping me. Voice chat is an excellent tool that doesn't cause stoppage in game play to try to type out something.

Stop using liberal logic to divide people. Enjoy the game as it is.

Yeah, that dastardly liberal logic... lol

When did Rush Limbaugh get here?

nastuug

Spottswoode wrote: »

I'd be willing to bet good money that 80% of console players, at minimum, have a smartphone and wifi access. Smart phone sales now eclipse home computer sales worldwide. (True story.) So it's entirely possible to communicate through phone apps at the current moment. You'd just have to pick a common app to operate off of. IRC apps would be good enough for the time being and the most multi operating system friendly.

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Silence1684 wrote: »

If the add it I hope it would be optional. I don't want it on my screen, I hate text boxes.

It's optional on the PC version. I turn off zone chat when I'm in non-vet zones. (For reasons all vet players intimately understand.)

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nastuug wrote: »

navyspeed wrote: »

It sounds like people don't care about the argument on either side.

Why it shouldn't be in the game is because it doesn't need it. If you add it you allow people to move away from their primary communication in voice chat. So you would then only have people that used voice chat and people that used text chat. Stop crying and grow a pair and talk to someone that you have never met. I have met new people either helping them or them helping me. Voice chat is an excellent tool that doesn't cause stoppage in game play to try to type out something.

Stop using liberal logic to divide people. Enjoy the game as it is.

Yeah, that dastardly liberal logic... lol

When did Rush Limbaugh get here?

Varicite

Spottswoode wrote: »

I'd be willing to bet good money that 80% of console players, at minimum, have a smartphone and wifi access. Smart phone sales now eclipse home computer sales worldwide. (True story.) So it's entirely possible to communicate through phone apps at the current moment. You'd just have to pick a common app to operate off of. IRC apps would be good enough for the time being and the most multi operating system friendly.

This would be "okay" as a workaround, but it still feels unacceptable to expect players to go outside of the game to do things inside of the game, especially in this day and age.

I'd much rather have the in-game systems be simple and user-friendly in-game. : )

As an aside, it was asked if ZOS would ever develop an official companion app for the game to do things like this, and while they didn't shoot the idea down, it didn't sound like something that was going to be on the horizon at any point in the near future.