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  • Xendyn
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    Speaking of hungry, where is @UrQuan and our Tamriel Feast?
    That still needs to happen.
    Lag is ruinin' my 'mershun!
    A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in.
    There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance - Socrates
    Member of the Old Guard, keepers of the game's history

    PC/NA
  • WldKarde
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    Xendyn wrote: »

    Guess we can say he's a bit spoiled?

    That would be an understatement...As you can see...the little brat knows how to be the center of attention! ;)

    It's just a theory...but I think ZOS has added "hidden" XP boosts for paying attention to your pets.


    Or it "could be" that people outside my door with the butterfly nets...just might be real :(

    Who knows
    PC NA
    Characters formally known as Veteran 16:
    Wldkarde, Sir WldKarde , Lil-Miss WldKarde,
    Dame WldKarde Stamplar "Master Angler" "Main" ,
    Shady WldKarde, WldKarde"s Bacon, Jaded WldKarde,
    River Wldkarde
    18 Master Anglers so far
    "Dames and Sirs, take my advice, pull down your pants...and slide on the ice!" Slightly adjusted quote of Dr. Sidney Friedman from M*A*S*H
  • Xendyn
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    wldkarde wrote: »
    Xendyn wrote: »

    Guess we can say he's a bit spoiled?

    That would be an understatement...As you can see...the little brat knows how to be the center of attention! ;)

    It's just a theory...but I think ZOS has added "hidden" XP boosts for paying attention to your pets.


    Or it "could be" that people outside my door with the butterfly nets...just might be real :(

    Who knows

    I'd say they're real.
    But I don't think the men with nets are there for the butterflies...
    Lag is ruinin' my 'mershun!
    A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in.
    There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance - Socrates
    Member of the Old Guard, keepers of the game's history

    PC/NA
  • WldKarde
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    Bo0137 wrote: »
    Guys... I don't understand the meaning of this topic... Can someone please explain me? What happened to consoles or pc?

    @Bo0137 it's really quite simple ;)

    This is our "safe haven" from the crazy world that sometimes is the ESO forums.

    We laugh, share pictures of puppies (or anything cute), indulge in fine foods from around the world, and (of course) eat popcorn!

    This is the ultimate drama free zone in which friends can hang out...both PC and console...and share a laugh or two.

    Edit: Now if this magical thread could just teach me to type and or spell ;)
    Edited by WldKarde on November 22, 2015 6:35AM
    PC NA
    Characters formally known as Veteran 16:
    Wldkarde, Sir WldKarde , Lil-Miss WldKarde,
    Dame WldKarde Stamplar "Master Angler" "Main" ,
    Shady WldKarde, WldKarde"s Bacon, Jaded WldKarde,
    River Wldkarde
    18 Master Anglers so far
    "Dames and Sirs, take my advice, pull down your pants...and slide on the ice!" Slightly adjusted quote of Dr. Sidney Friedman from M*A*S*H
  • newtinmpls
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    Bo0137 wrote: »
    Guys... I don't understand the meaning of this topic... Can someone please explain me? What happened to consoles or pc?

    They got together and created a popcorn-filled truce area....

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    Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
    Hisa Ni Caemaire - Altmer Sorceress, member of the Order Draconis and Adept of the House of Dibella.
    Broken Branch Toothmaul - goblin (for my goblin characters, I use either orsimer or bosmer templates) Templar, member of the Order Draconis and persistently unskilled pickpocket
    Mol gro Durga - Orsimer Socerer/Battlemage who died the first time when the Nibenay Valley chapterhouse of the Order Draconis was destroyed, then went back to Cold Harbor to rescue his second/partner who was still captive. He overestimated his resistance to the hopelessness of Oblivion, about to give up, and looked up to see the golden glow of atherius surrounding a beautiful young woman who extended her hand to him and said "I can help you". He carried Fianna Kingsley out of Cold Harbor on his shoulder. He carried Alvard Stower under one arm. He also irritated the Prophet who had intended the portal for only Mol and Lyris.
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    Order Draconis - well c'mon there has to be some explanation for all those dragon tattoos.
    House of Dibella - If you have ever seen or read "Memoirs of a Geisha" that's just the beginning...
    Nibenay Valley Chapterhouse - Where now stands only desolate ground and a dolmen there once was a thriving community supporting one of the major chapterhouses of the Order Draconis
  • WldKarde
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    Xendyn wrote: »

    I'd say they're real.
    But I don't think the men with nets are there for the butterflies...

    Ah crap! I knew it!

    Well it's been fun everyone...I'll just be grabbing my tinfoil hat and going on "vacation" for awhile ;)

    Edit: Come on Cubby, that means you too, they won't get us if you'll quit mugging for the camera!
    Edited by WldKarde on November 22, 2015 7:03AM
    PC NA
    Characters formally known as Veteran 16:
    Wldkarde, Sir WldKarde , Lil-Miss WldKarde,
    Dame WldKarde Stamplar "Master Angler" "Main" ,
    Shady WldKarde, WldKarde"s Bacon, Jaded WldKarde,
    River Wldkarde
    18 Master Anglers so far
    "Dames and Sirs, take my advice, pull down your pants...and slide on the ice!" Slightly adjusted quote of Dr. Sidney Friedman from M*A*S*H
  • JD2013
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    Hello lovelies!

    Favourite thread of the day:

    http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/232277/turn-off-people#latest

    Popcorn? :smiley:
    Edited by JD2013 on November 22, 2015 6:33PM
    Sweetrolls for all!

    Christophe Mottierre - Breton Templar with his own whole darn estate! Templar Houses are so 2015. EU DC

    PC Beta Tester January 2014

    Elder of The Black
    Order of Sithis
    The Runners

    @TamrielTraverse - For Tamriel related Twitter shenanigans!
    https://tamrieltraveller.wordpress.com/

    Crafting bag OP! ZOS nerf pls!
  • Xendyn
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    JD2013 wrote: »
    Hello lovelies!

    Favourite thread of the day:

    http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/232277/turn-off-people#latest

    Popcorn? :smiley:

    I'd like the RL version of that option, pls and ty.

    Lag is ruinin' my 'mershun!
    A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in.
    There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance - Socrates
    Member of the Old Guard, keepers of the game's history

    PC/NA
  • JD2013
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    Xendyn wrote: »
    JD2013 wrote: »
    Hello lovelies!

    Favourite thread of the day:

    http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/232277/turn-off-people#latest

    Popcorn? :smiley:

    I'd like the RL version of that option, pls and ty.

    Haha you and me both!
    Sweetrolls for all!

    Christophe Mottierre - Breton Templar with his own whole darn estate! Templar Houses are so 2015. EU DC

    PC Beta Tester January 2014

    Elder of The Black
    Order of Sithis
    The Runners

    @TamrielTraverse - For Tamriel related Twitter shenanigans!
    https://tamrieltraveller.wordpress.com/

    Crafting bag OP! ZOS nerf pls!
  • Xendyn
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    Lag is ruinin' my 'mershun!
    A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in.
    There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance - Socrates
    Member of the Old Guard, keepers of the game's history

    PC/NA
  • kendellking_chaosb14_ESO
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    Ummm just putting this out their but it's a an MMO with 6 powers five normal and one super. This game was made for console we just ironed out the kinks, for the most part.
    Chaos Shadow-Scale: Shadow Archer
    Chaos Death-Scale: Shadow Knight
    Tanks-With-Sap-Essence: Dark Mage
    Dark Brotherhood Listener: Blade of Argonia
    Chaos Dragon-Scale: Draconic Shield Master
    Chaos Light-Scale: Marsh Paladin
    Chaos Lightning-Scale: Daedric Master
    Hurricane Chaos: Storm Archer
    Bask-In-My-Light: Warrior of The Light
    Forged-In-Dragon-Fire: Pyro Mage
    Guardian of The Hist: Light Mender
    Chaos of Black Marsh: Master of The Burning Sword
    Star of Chaos: Frost Blade Champion
    Chaos-Lightning-Tower: Lightning Shield Master

    For the King of Argonia
    May Sithis hold back his Void
  • Xendyn
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    Ummm just putting this out their but it's a an MMO with 6 powers five normal and one super. This game was made for console we just ironed out the kinks, for the most part.

    Wrong thread?
    Lag is ruinin' my 'mershun!
    A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in.
    There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance - Socrates
    Member of the Old Guard, keepers of the game's history

    PC/NA
  • kendellking_chaosb14_ESO
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    Xendyn wrote: »
    Ummm just putting this out their but it's a an MMO with 6 powers five normal and one super. This game was made for console we just ironed out the kinks, for the most part.

    Wrong thread?

    Right thread PC don't matter outside testing for console that's where they focused that's where all the updates and fixes are going they update Console a lot.
    Chaos Shadow-Scale: Shadow Archer
    Chaos Death-Scale: Shadow Knight
    Tanks-With-Sap-Essence: Dark Mage
    Dark Brotherhood Listener: Blade of Argonia
    Chaos Dragon-Scale: Draconic Shield Master
    Chaos Light-Scale: Marsh Paladin
    Chaos Lightning-Scale: Daedric Master
    Hurricane Chaos: Storm Archer
    Bask-In-My-Light: Warrior of The Light
    Forged-In-Dragon-Fire: Pyro Mage
    Guardian of The Hist: Light Mender
    Chaos of Black Marsh: Master of The Burning Sword
    Star of Chaos: Frost Blade Champion
    Chaos-Lightning-Tower: Lightning Shield Master

    For the King of Argonia
    May Sithis hold back his Void
  • SHADOW2KK
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    Ummm just putting this out their but it's a an MMO with 6 powers five normal and one super. This game was made for console we just ironed out the kinks, for the most part.

    This thread is for PC users, away with ya!:}

    And consoles have inferior tech compared to high end rigs
    Once I was a lamb, playing in a green field. Then the wolves came. Now I am an eagle and I fly in a different universe.

    Been taking heads since TeS 3 Morrowind..

    Been enjoying PvP tears since 2014

    LvL 50 - Dragon Knight EP [PC-EU] = Illuvutar = Ex The Wabbajack = (Stam DK)
    LvL 50 - Night Blade DC [PC-EU] = Legendary Blades = Evil Ninja/Dueller = (StamBlade)
    LvL 50 - Sorcerer DC [PC-EU] = Daemon Lord = (Mag Sorc)
    LvL 50 - Dragon Knight DC [PC-EU] = Khal-Bladez = (Mag DK)
    LvL 50 - Dragon Knight DC [PC-EU] = Tenakha Khan = (Stam DK)
    LvL 50 - Templar DC [PC-EU]] = Blades The Disgruntled = (Stamplar)
    LvL 50 - Night Blade DC [PC-EU] = Ghost Blades = (Assassin)
    LvL 50 - Night Blade DC [PC-EU] = Malekith The Shadow = (Mag NB)
    LvL 50 - Warden DC [PC-EU] = Crimson Blades = (Stamden)

    Guild Master of The Bringers Of The Storm.
    Harrods


    Member Of The Old Guard
    PC Closed Betas 2013

    PC Mastah Race

    Anook Page anook.com/shadow2kk

    Been playing since Beta and Early Access

  • kendellking_chaosb14_ESO
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    SHADOW2KK wrote: »
    Ummm just putting this out their but it's a an MMO with 6 powers five normal and one super. This game was made for console we just ironed out the kinks, for the most part.

    This thread is for PC users, away with ya!:}

    And consoles have inferior tech compared to high end rigs

    How dare you think I'm a filthy console potato!! For shame my good sir for shame.
    Chaos Shadow-Scale: Shadow Archer
    Chaos Death-Scale: Shadow Knight
    Tanks-With-Sap-Essence: Dark Mage
    Dark Brotherhood Listener: Blade of Argonia
    Chaos Dragon-Scale: Draconic Shield Master
    Chaos Light-Scale: Marsh Paladin
    Chaos Lightning-Scale: Daedric Master
    Hurricane Chaos: Storm Archer
    Bask-In-My-Light: Warrior of The Light
    Forged-In-Dragon-Fire: Pyro Mage
    Guardian of The Hist: Light Mender
    Chaos of Black Marsh: Master of The Burning Sword
    Star of Chaos: Frost Blade Champion
    Chaos-Lightning-Tower: Lightning Shield Master

    For the King of Argonia
    May Sithis hold back his Void
  • SHADOW2KK
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    SHADOW2KK wrote: »
    Ummm just putting this out their but it's a an MMO with 6 powers five normal and one super. This game was made for console we just ironed out the kinks, for the most part.

    This thread is for PC users, away with ya!:}

    And consoles have inferior tech compared to high end rigs

    How dare you think I'm a filthy console potato!! For shame my good sir for shame.

    Hahah, sorry matey, my mistake,...

    But..........ominous silence...........

    It did seem like you were sticking up for consoles there.....

    /sharpensblades.....

    Hehe
    Once I was a lamb, playing in a green field. Then the wolves came. Now I am an eagle and I fly in a different universe.

    Been taking heads since TeS 3 Morrowind..

    Been enjoying PvP tears since 2014

    LvL 50 - Dragon Knight EP [PC-EU] = Illuvutar = Ex The Wabbajack = (Stam DK)
    LvL 50 - Night Blade DC [PC-EU] = Legendary Blades = Evil Ninja/Dueller = (StamBlade)
    LvL 50 - Sorcerer DC [PC-EU] = Daemon Lord = (Mag Sorc)
    LvL 50 - Dragon Knight DC [PC-EU] = Khal-Bladez = (Mag DK)
    LvL 50 - Dragon Knight DC [PC-EU] = Tenakha Khan = (Stam DK)
    LvL 50 - Templar DC [PC-EU]] = Blades The Disgruntled = (Stamplar)
    LvL 50 - Night Blade DC [PC-EU] = Ghost Blades = (Assassin)
    LvL 50 - Night Blade DC [PC-EU] = Malekith The Shadow = (Mag NB)
    LvL 50 - Warden DC [PC-EU] = Crimson Blades = (Stamden)

    Guild Master of The Bringers Of The Storm.
    Harrods


    Member Of The Old Guard
    PC Closed Betas 2013

    PC Mastah Race

    Anook Page anook.com/shadow2kk

    Been playing since Beta and Early Access

  • Xendyn
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    Xendyn wrote: »
    Ummm just putting this out their but it's a an MMO with 6 powers five normal and one super. This game was made for console we just ironed out the kinks, for the most part.

    Wrong thread?

    Right thread PC don't matter outside testing for console that's where they focused that's where all the updates and fixes are going they update Console a lot.

    Not sure if in 128 pages we've even Had that conversation.

    Altho we've enjoyed much popcorn.
    Here, have some.

    I'll even bust out the gourmet stuff.

    what-popcorn-flavor-are-you-the-popcorn-factory.jpg
    Lag is ruinin' my 'mershun!
    A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in.
    There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance - Socrates
    Member of the Old Guard, keepers of the game's history

    PC/NA
  • kendellking_chaosb14_ESO
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    SHADOW2KK wrote: »
    SHADOW2KK wrote: »
    Ummm just putting this out their but it's a an MMO with 6 powers five normal and one super. This game was made for console we just ironed out the kinks, for the most part.

    This thread is for PC users, away with ya!:}

    And consoles have inferior tech compared to high end rigs

    How dare you think I'm a filthy console potato!! For shame my good sir for shame.

    Hahah, sorry matey, my mistake,...

    But..........ominous silence...........

    It did seem like you were sticking up for consoles there.....

    /sharpensblades.....

    Hehe

    *grabs bow sits in Stealth behind a rock*



    Look in awe at my Bow with max settings and 60fps for five minutes remember why I'm here.

    How many MMOs have bars and lay outs the can so easily be used with one controller we were not the end uses. More like paying beta testers.
    Chaos Shadow-Scale: Shadow Archer
    Chaos Death-Scale: Shadow Knight
    Tanks-With-Sap-Essence: Dark Mage
    Dark Brotherhood Listener: Blade of Argonia
    Chaos Dragon-Scale: Draconic Shield Master
    Chaos Light-Scale: Marsh Paladin
    Chaos Lightning-Scale: Daedric Master
    Hurricane Chaos: Storm Archer
    Bask-In-My-Light: Warrior of The Light
    Forged-In-Dragon-Fire: Pyro Mage
    Guardian of The Hist: Light Mender
    Chaos of Black Marsh: Master of The Burning Sword
    Star of Chaos: Frost Blade Champion
    Chaos-Lightning-Tower: Lightning Shield Master

    For the King of Argonia
    May Sithis hold back his Void
  • DannyLV702
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    ps4 > pc

    *runs*
  • Xendyn
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    DannyLV702 wrote: »
    ps4 > pc

    *runs*

    I shall set my dogs on you!

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    Oh wait, it's naptime.
    nvm
    Lag is ruinin' my 'mershun!
    A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in.
    There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance - Socrates
    Member of the Old Guard, keepers of the game's history

    PC/NA
  • WldKarde
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    *Peaks out from hiding place and whispers*

    Remember folks this is a drama free zone...
    All are welcome...
    Just eat you popcorn...
    And PLEASE...
    Don't wake the puppies :)

    puppies-and-popcorn.jpg

    Come on Cubby...we need to find some more popcorn for this this thread
    PC NA
    Characters formally known as Veteran 16:
    Wldkarde, Sir WldKarde , Lil-Miss WldKarde,
    Dame WldKarde Stamplar "Master Angler" "Main" ,
    Shady WldKarde, WldKarde"s Bacon, Jaded WldKarde,
    River Wldkarde
    18 Master Anglers so far
    "Dames and Sirs, take my advice, pull down your pants...and slide on the ice!" Slightly adjusted quote of Dr. Sidney Friedman from M*A*S*H
  • SHADOW2KK
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    SHADOW2KK wrote: »
    SHADOW2KK wrote: »
    Ummm just putting this out their but it's a an MMO with 6 powers five normal and one super. This game was made for console we just ironed out the kinks, for the most part.

    This thread is for PC users, away with ya!:}

    And consoles have inferior tech compared to high end rigs

    How dare you think I'm a filthy console potato!! For shame my good sir for shame.

    Hahah, sorry matey, my mistake,...

    But..........ominous silence...........

    It did seem like you were sticking up for consoles there.....

    /sharpensblades.....

    Hehe

    *grabs bow sits in Stealth behind a rock*



    Look in awe at my Bow with max settings and 60fps for five minutes remember why I'm here.

    How many MMOs have bars and lay outs the can so easily be used with one controller we were not the end uses. More like paying beta testers.

    *pops detect pot near rock*

    My main is a NB hehe:P

    True tho matey, and that does continually disgruntle me about us being paid beta testers from day one up to now....

    *roars and goes back to my cave, trailing my paws on ground, with @kendellking_chaosb14_ESO`s head:P
    cos as we all know, home is where we hang our enemies head:D *
    Once I was a lamb, playing in a green field. Then the wolves came. Now I am an eagle and I fly in a different universe.

    Been taking heads since TeS 3 Morrowind..

    Been enjoying PvP tears since 2014

    LvL 50 - Dragon Knight EP [PC-EU] = Illuvutar = Ex The Wabbajack = (Stam DK)
    LvL 50 - Night Blade DC [PC-EU] = Legendary Blades = Evil Ninja/Dueller = (StamBlade)
    LvL 50 - Sorcerer DC [PC-EU] = Daemon Lord = (Mag Sorc)
    LvL 50 - Dragon Knight DC [PC-EU] = Khal-Bladez = (Mag DK)
    LvL 50 - Dragon Knight DC [PC-EU] = Tenakha Khan = (Stam DK)
    LvL 50 - Templar DC [PC-EU]] = Blades The Disgruntled = (Stamplar)
    LvL 50 - Night Blade DC [PC-EU] = Ghost Blades = (Assassin)
    LvL 50 - Night Blade DC [PC-EU] = Malekith The Shadow = (Mag NB)
    LvL 50 - Warden DC [PC-EU] = Crimson Blades = (Stamden)

    Guild Master of The Bringers Of The Storm.
    Harrods


    Member Of The Old Guard
    PC Closed Betas 2013

    PC Mastah Race

    Anook Page anook.com/shadow2kk

    Been playing since Beta and Early Access

  • Shunravi
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    DannyLV702 wrote: »
    ps4 > pc

    *runs*

    Quick! Get @DannyLV702! Smother 'im with puppies! I'll grab the popcorn cannon...
    This one has an eloquent and well thought out response to tha... Ooh sweetroll!
  • P3ZZL3
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    @DannyLV702 The time has come to release the hounds of death! *evil laugh* You're death will be horrifically gruesome!

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    CP561 Redguard | Jabsy Templar | Stamina Build
    CP561 Breton | Jesus Beam Templar | Magicka Build Forever!
    CP561 Naked Nord | Tanky DK | Stamigicka Build

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  • Prabooo
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    I am pleased to share some...

    (I just edited... realized it was gonna get banned... boring...)
    Edited by Prabooo on November 23, 2015 9:21AM
  • JD2013
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    *readies staff*

    What is going on here?? :wink:
    Sweetrolls for all!

    Christophe Mottierre - Breton Templar with his own whole darn estate! Templar Houses are so 2015. EU DC

    PC Beta Tester January 2014

    Elder of The Black
    Order of Sithis
    The Runners

    @TamrielTraverse - For Tamriel related Twitter shenanigans!
    https://tamrieltraveller.wordpress.com/

    Crafting bag OP! ZOS nerf pls!
  • freespirit
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    So I was looking for a ''Happy Monday'' piccie.........

    and couldn't resist this.........

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    Happy Monday All!! :)
    When people say to me........
    "You're going to regret that in the morning"
    I sleep until midday cos I'm a problem solver!
  • MissBizz
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    .... Did you guys see they have a goat avatar now? I want it!
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  • freespirit
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    <<<< @MissBizz because you can't for you. :)
    When people say to me........
    "You're going to regret that in the morning"
    I sleep until midday cos I'm a problem solver!
  • Xendyn
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    P3ZZL3 wrote: »
    @DannyLV702 The time has come to release the hounds of death! *evil laugh* You're death will be horrifically gruesome!

    anigif_enhanced-2038-1408393848-33.gif

    You...where have you been? ;)
    MissBizz wrote: »
    .... Did you guys see they have a goat avatar now? I want it!

    Wait, what? Where!
    Lag is ruinin' my 'mershun!
    A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in.
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