ESO should allow for cross faction PVE/Dungeons?

Korah_Eaglecry

No

Shunravi wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Xender wrote: »

Do you think ESO should offer cross faction dungeon access? It shouldn't have impact on pvp so I don't see any obstacles.

Zenimax if you wish you can sell it as DLC I will pay for it :P

No. Infact I cant stand the fact that theres cross Faction Guilds. At first it sounded good but when you start to think about going into Cyrodiil to fight for your faction it kind of becomes senseless when you realize another Guildie could be on the other side. It loses that immersion.

The Tamriel is at war. And it doesnt matter if youre delve and dungeon diving or toeing the line in Cyrodiil. Simple as that. Faction to faction youre at war.

Prime example for the argument 'separation of pve and pvp'.

Thats your opinion.

PvE is set in the same time-period as the War that is PvP. Or did you forget that you fight each factions NPCs as you go from Region to Region? PvE and PvP are tightly tied together.

If you dont like PvP thats fine. But Ive seen this sort of arguement from PvEers in other games where they didnt like PvP and argued 'the war doesnt make sense! i want to play with someone from another faction just becuzzzz'. The game is set during a war. To fight a guy in PvP one day and team up with him for a Dungeon the next is immersion breaking on more then one level.

You have more then enough players playing on your Factions side to tap for these Dungeons.

Shunravi

Yes

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Xender wrote: »

Do you think ESO should offer cross faction dungeon access? It shouldn't have impact on pvp so I don't see any obstacles.

Zenimax if you wish you can sell it as DLC I will pay for it :P

No. Infact I cant stand the fact that theres cross Faction Guilds. At first it sounded good but when you start to think about going into Cyrodiil to fight for your faction it kind of becomes senseless when you realize another Guildie could be on the other side. It loses that immersion.

The Tamriel is at war. And it doesnt matter if youre delve and dungeon diving or toeing the line in Cyrodiil. Simple as that. Faction to faction youre at war.

Prime example for the argument 'separation of pve and pvp'.

Thats your opinion.

PvE is set in the same time-period as the War that is PvP. Or did you forget that you fight each factions NPCs as you go from Region to Region? PvE and PvP are tightly tied together.

If you dont like PvP thats fine. But Ive seen this sort of arguement from PvEers in other games where they didnt like PvP and argued 'the war doesnt make sense! i want to play with someone from another faction just becuzzzz'. The game is set during a war. To fight a guy in PvP one day and team up with him for a Dungeon the next is immersion breaking on more then one level.

You have more then enough players playing on your Factions side to tap for these Dungeons.

And that's your opinion.

The other faction's npcs are more often than not splinter groups and rougue elements.

In this game there are multiple premises where inter-faction relations of this sort are more than lore friendly. The squabiling of 'petty warlords' (look up interregnum) has no bearing on the rest of the world. For the record, I do like PvP. And fighting a guy and than fighting with him has no immersion breaking effect for me ' the enemy of my enemy is my friend.' Besides, the faction generals do little more than send you in a general direction and leave you be. It's not like we have actual npc armies facing off, just keep guards.

And the 'immersion' argument is getting worn.

Psychobunni

Yes

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Xender wrote: »

Do you think ESO should offer cross faction dungeon access? It shouldn't have impact on pvp so I don't see any obstacles.

Zenimax if you wish you can sell it as DLC I will pay for it :P

No. Infact I cant stand the fact that theres cross Faction Guilds. At first it sounded good but when you start to think about going into Cyrodiil to fight for your faction it kind of becomes senseless when you realize another Guildie could be on the other side. It loses that immersion.

The Tamriel is at war. And it doesnt matter if youre delve and dungeon diving or toeing the line in Cyrodiil. Simple as that. Faction to faction youre at war.

Prime example for the argument 'separation of pve and pvp'.

Thats your opinion.

PvE is set in the same time-period as the War that is PvP. Or did you forget that you fight each factions NPCs as you go from Region to Region? PvE and PvP are tightly tied together.

If you dont like PvP thats fine. But Ive seen this sort of arguement from PvEers in other games where they didnt like PvP and argued 'the war doesnt make sense! i want to play with someone from another faction just becuzzzz'. The game is set during a war. To fight a guy in PvP one day and team up with him for a Dungeon the next is immersion breaking on more then one level.

You have more then enough players playing on your Factions side to tap for these Dungeons.

Well if that is the way the devs wanted it then Fighters, Mages, Undaunted should all each be "factional" and the storyline should not have all 3 factions plus Fighters and Mages coming together to fight Molag Bal.

There will never be a PVE and PVP game that PVE players come to and not want to explore it all equally. If they were after a game where players only cared about the stupid war then they should have made an open world PVP game, but they didnt....because it doesnt sell as well.

Enodoc

Yes

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Xender wrote: »

Do you think ESO should offer cross faction dungeon access? It shouldn't have impact on pvp so I don't see any obstacles.

Zenimax if you wish you can sell it as DLC I will pay for it :P

No. Infact I cant stand the fact that theres cross Faction Guilds. At first it sounded good but when you start to think about going into Cyrodiil to fight for your faction it kind of becomes senseless when you realize another Guildie could be on the other side. It loses that immersion.

The Tamriel is at war. And it doesnt matter if youre delve and dungeon diving or toeing the line in Cyrodiil. Simple as that. Faction to faction youre at war.

Faction to faction you're at war.....in Cyrodiil. In Neutral Zones the lore states that factions are working together under the banners of the neutral Guilds. Alliance military command has no control over how members of their alliance operate outside of the warzone.

xarguideb17_ESO

Yes

What's the point of having cross faction guilds anyway if you can't team up for anything with a player from another alliance?

Xender

Yes

I think not allowing to play cross faction with other Mages/Fighter guild members is lore breaker...

Korah_Eaglecry

No

Shunravi wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Xender wrote: »

Do you think ESO should offer cross faction dungeon access? It shouldn't have impact on pvp so I don't see any obstacles.

Zenimax if you wish you can sell it as DLC I will pay for it :P

No. Infact I cant stand the fact that theres cross Faction Guilds. At first it sounded good but when you start to think about going into Cyrodiil to fight for your faction it kind of becomes senseless when you realize another Guildie could be on the other side. It loses that immersion.

The Tamriel is at war. And it doesnt matter if youre delve and dungeon diving or toeing the line in Cyrodiil. Simple as that. Faction to faction youre at war.

Prime example for the argument 'separation of pve and pvp'.

Thats your opinion.

PvE is set in the same time-period as the War that is PvP. Or did you forget that you fight each factions NPCs as you go from Region to Region? PvE and PvP are tightly tied together.

If you dont like PvP thats fine. But Ive seen this sort of arguement from PvEers in other games where they didnt like PvP and argued 'the war doesnt make sense! i want to play with someone from another faction just becuzzzz'. The game is set during a war. To fight a guy in PvP one day and team up with him for a Dungeon the next is immersion breaking on more then one level.

You have more then enough players playing on your Factions side to tap for these Dungeons.

And that's your opinion.

The other faction's npcs are more often than not splinter groups and rougue elements.

In this game there are multiple premises where inter-faction relations of this sort are more than lore friendly. The squabiling of 'petty warlords' (look up interregnum) has no bearing on the rest of the world. For the record, I do like PvP. And fighting a guy and than fighting with him has no immersion breaking effect for me ' the enemy of my enemy is my friend.' Besides, the faction generals do little more than send you in a general direction and leave you be. It's not like we have actual npc armies facing off, just keep guards.

And the 'immersion' argument is getting worn.

So youre claiming the DC Invasion of Stonefalls and the AD infiltration of Shadowfen, and vise versa for similar AD/DC storylines, are 'rogue' agents of their respective factions? That these are elements working outside of their respective governments while at the same time acting in a manner that directly supports their respective governments interests?

I really think maybe you should pay a little more attention to the PvE storyline.

I dont need to look up the interregnum. Im well aware of it and I would argue that the EP/AD/DC are far from 'petty warlords' or even small kingdoms as they each cover vast areas across their allied lands. Any squabbling going on currently in the setting is easily overcome by the current factions. 'Petty Warlords' are swept to the wayside.

And I could careless if youre growing tired of hearing the immersion argument. The game has a setting and needs to stay consistent if it means to tell a story.

Cously

Yes

More people to play with.

Solid_Metal

Yes

agreed, but they need to made a new neutral area rather than implement it on the existent dungeon/area, it could break lore/immersive indeed

Cously

Yes

Solid_Metal wrote: »

agreed, but they need to made a new neutral area rather than implement it on the existent dungeon/area, it could break lore/immersive indeed

Craglorn should been that in my opinion.

granty2008cyb16_ESO

Yes

this so needs adding

Enodoc

Yes

Solid_Metal wrote: »

agreed, but they need to made a new neutral area rather than implement it on the existent dungeon/area, it could break lore/immersive indeed

It wouldn't break lore or immersion if Craglorn and Coldharbour were cross-faction.

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

So youre claiming the DC Invasion of Stonefalls and the AD infiltration of Shadowfen, and vise versa for similar AD/DC storylines, are 'rogue' agents of their respective factions? That these are elements working outside of their respective governments while at the same time acting in a manner that directly supports their respective governments interests?

Whether Shunravi is claiming that or not, I will. From what I remember, General Serien is supposedly in disgrace with Covenant command, and Ruuvitar's methods are well-known for being unorthodox amongst Dominion troops.

Ysne58

Yes

Why does this thread show up as being locked on the recent threads page? @ZOS_AlanG ?

Yinmaigao

Yes

Ysne58 wrote: »

Why does this thread show up as being locked on the recent threads page? @ZOS_AlanG ?

Because it was moved from "General Discussion" to "Adventure Zones & Group Dungeons"

Xender

Yes

It is moved to Adventure Zones & Group Dungeons where also fit well

RavishedPsyche

Yes

PvP should be where your faction matters. PvE shouldn't matter due to the size of the end game player pool. As a GM of a raid guild, it is difficult to find groups at times due to lack of people. Many quit after 1.6 or went to exclusive PvP. There are not as many end game PvEers anymore to be sure. While this was always the case, now the shortage is seeing an extreme level.

Speaking toward breaking immersion. What sense does it make to automatically know who is in what faction, if you have people of all races in each? On the battlefield you would by perhaps armor of some kind or in a games case the color of their name or aura. In the PvE world it breaks immersion for me to have factions. Unless you have open world PvP, OR EVERYONE has some kind of symbol branded into their character's forehead that is forbidden to be covered, stating their faction.

If we want to go by lore, we wouldn't have so many of each race in each faction. Its a broken system, so you have to work with it. To not be totally out of immersion it would only make sense that people need not be associated with a faction unless they choose to join the fight. For RPers they always can RP by racial standards from the lore, and by character development implement which faction they belong to, and if/when people know of which faction they belong.

Allowing people to cross faction in PvE would allow more people to interact, and infuse the game with more activity. This is needed while the transition of new players gets higher in level and into end game PvE, to supplement the loss of those who went PvP and left. From a marketing standpoint, this would be a wonderful move for ZOS. It would show they think of their players, as well as allow for later paid faction changes to be more seemless, thereby making money for themselves. Not to mention without this PvE restraint those who have friends on other factions will be more likely to stay with the game if they can play with their friends without having to reroll another toon.

I deeply hope this is considered.

Xender

Yes

I hope it will be another gameplay update after 1.6 changes.

Xender

Yes

Totaly overhelmed by amount of console treads - need bump.

Console players share your opinion about cross faction play!

Milktray

No

Guilds are cross-faction as they are account based

If you bothered to even check out the game a little before purchasing it, you would have noticed it is faction based and if a friend joined, tell them to roll faction you chose and play together.

If you didn't read up on the game before purchase, well who's fault is that?

newtinmpls

Yes

Yinmaigao wrote: »

Does it break immersion every time Deadra attack the city and the guards cower in a corner helpless, when not 2 minutes earlier they curb-stomped someone for accidentally stealing an item laying in front of a vendor that moves around?

.

for me that enhances immersion because an unfortunate minority in security/law enforcement (and I do think it is a miniority) are bullies, and bullies are often cowards.

I've also heard a few folks comment that they are in X faction 'because they fell from the sky'.

I'm not. At least my characters in AD are not. They met the queen, they saw her loyalty, in some cases they shared her pain at some horrible revelations. In those instances I'm a queensman (if that's the right word).

In EP I've gotten to Windhelm and started questing - and haven't yet met the king. Poor faction design. No loyalty (yet?). Although I will say that some of the argonians I've met during these adventures have been some of the most truly lovely souls I could have imagined. So perhaps in this alliance my loyalty is much more to the people (or some of them) rather than to a leader.

Winchester1306

Yes

For me it is a resounding yes, because TESOTU goes by the saying "Play the way you want".

Well, I want to play as an Altmer Sorcerer from the Aldmeri Dominion who is proud of her heritage and roots. The guild I am in on WoW have decided given TESO a chance but they started out on Aldmeri Dominion but one guy convinced everyone to switch to Daggerfall Covenant. Now, I have been playing since Early Access, I am not about to delete and re-roll my toon just because they started playing a week or two ago and like DC. But, what I do want is to be able to team up with them since we are in the same guild, and to be able to do group runs and content together as well as RP together.

That is the thing about TES series - you can do or be anything you want to be, so to restrict this kind of interaction does not make sense in the broader spectrum of what TES stands for.

newtinmpls

Yes

Yeah I think the dev team (or maybe just the head of it) should have been someone immersed in and beloved of ES and all it's lore.

I also think that there should be specific guilds/quests/options to do cross-faction adventures. Maybe requiring special grouping or writs .... heck what are the undaunted things called ... pledges.

Maybe something related to the fighters guild bounty thingies in Cyrodiil? I'm barely into vet content, so maybe someone else could speak to that.

How about if any group of up to X players meets up physically in Cyrodiil and there was some special "share/group" quest button/option.

Nuale

Yes

Milktray wrote: »

Guilds are cross-faction as they are account based

If you bothered to even check out the game a little before purchasing it, you would have noticed it is faction based and if a friend joined, tell them to roll faction you chose and play together.

If you didn't read up on the game before purchase, well who's fault is that?

However, some times you make new friends, move , etc., and find they are on a different alliance. I have a VR14 with nearly maxed crafting on everything except herbalism. Puts you in a situation where you basically have to decide who has less friends and who has put less time into their toon for this decision. It can be tough! Getting the characters to max level in this game is a feat by itself (Granted it is easier than it once was)! I still cringe at the thought of starting all over again and playing through all three alliances again... Leaving my VR14 and a VR 10 behind just makes my brain hurt and I just don't have the time.

OnThaLoose

Yes

Earelith wrote: »

I rather wait longer until I find a group than team up with the enemy It would break immersion for sure. Not worth it in my opinion.

Break immersion? And I assume traveling to banished cells when I'm in ebonheart pact doesn't break immersion at all....

AtomicSpatula

Yes

OnThaLoose wrote: »

Earelith wrote: »

I rather wait longer until I find a group than team up with the enemy It would break immersion for sure. Not worth it in my opinion.

Break immersion? And I assume traveling to banished cells when I'm in ebonheart pact doesn't break immersion at all....

Yeah, I thought it was odd that you could do dungeons that were appearing in other factions than your own. I would say exclusively for dungeon grouping at Veteran levels would be reasonable. That way it would...
1. Fit in with the premise of the Veteran rank storyline. This is specifically referring to the Cadwell's Silver and Gold quests, which were referenced earlier, but to repeat what others have stated, allow sound immersion into other alliance territory by other means and does not break any RPing or lore, theoretically. Also take into account that dungeons are not often alliance specific in terms of the enemies you face. I mean that, you will generally face off against groups that are technically neutral and not affiliated with a particular alliance, at least not directly.
2. Allow players to actually find people they can work with and trust for group dungeons. Specifically, among my group of friends, we share drops frequently and freely with one another every time we go through dungeons. Allowing my group of friends to do this despite alliance affiliation would benefit us as players.
3. It fit in perfectly with what is currently available. The only change that would have to be made is that players from other alliances would be able to group and meet within the dungeons themselves. That could mean that access outside of the dungeons to other alliance areas could still be prohibited, it would be only inside the dungeons that grouping up and meeting from other alliances would be possible.
Overall, with these three points in mind, I think grouping for Veteran Rank dungeons only on a cross alliance scale would make sense and be beneficial for everyone.

[/quote]

Thats your opinion.

PvE is set in the same time-period as the War that is PvP. Or did you forget that you fight each factions NPCs as you go from Region to Region? PvE and PvP are tightly tied together.

If you dont like PvP thats fine. But Ive seen this sort of arguement from PvEers in other games where they didnt like PvP and argued 'the war doesnt make sense! i want to play with someone from another faction just becuzzzz'. The game is set during a war. To fight a guy in PvP one day and team up with him for a Dungeon the next is immersion breaking on more then one level.

You have more then enough players playing on your Factions side to tap for these Dungeons. [/quote]

But you are forgetting another thing, how the whole teaming up for dungeons would actually create a more interesting scenario RP wise. Think about it, forcing yourself to team up with your mortal enemy to take on a greater enemy. What happened to the saying "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" and "Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer."?

Auviance569

Yes

Won't really change the fact that players will leave after wiping once, or leave instantly when finding a group. Voted yes nontheless, cause the current queue system (besides for the daily dungeon quests) is horrible.

Squishs

Yes

Yes because lore wise, not everyone is a soldier fighting for their given faction, not everyone agrees with the actions the three factions are taking.

Mages Guild, Fighters Guild, Undaunted, all organisations not fighting over Cyrodiil.

Ysne58

Yes

I believe the undaunted dailies could easily be cross faction. I've said this before, but I think both Craglorn and Coldharbour should be cross faction.

ZOS_RichLambert

/lurk

Jando

Yes

Clearly this should be supported as an option in the new and improved LFG tool that i really hope ZoS is working very hard on. As long as it's optional, who can complain.

Main story supports cooperation between alliances so it's not lore-breaking.