Improving On ESO S01E01) Player Housing,Guild Halls And PVP/PVE Options

idk

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Mettaricana wrote: »

i think of it chances are they'll pull a DCUO and make it either a sub only or the only way to decorate is to spend crowns. now if they added guild halls that would be decent a place for guilds to meet etc but the player home seems pointless. in skyrim we wanted the place to stash our mountains of crap. in eso they probably wont give us much storage options other than maybe bank access since it would make storage so huge may not even need to buy bank space etc. its honestly not that big of a deal get a house sit there for 10 mins like ...yay got a house..... then leave to quest and maybe return to it once you remember you have it again. to me the house seems like a room with no enemies quests or reason to hang around in for more than a sec. i'd much rather see content than luxury rooms with chairs and items we can't even interact with because they never made it so. its like hey guys check out my sweet dinning room table with chairs we can't sit on and food we can't eat.....

Housing will be a dlc requiring a sub and non subs will have to buy the dlc.

Victus

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Where is the option for "I would like to see player housing, but not concerned when it will get here"?

idk

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Victus wrote: »

Where is the option for "I would like to see player housing, but not concerned when it will get here"?

Lol, that's part of the problem with these player created polls. Answer choices are often incomplete and most choices are biased to the way the creator leans.

Shunravi

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Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Victus wrote: »

Where is the option for "I would like to see player housing, but not concerned when it will get here"?

Lol, that's part of the problem with these player created polls. Answer choices are often incomplete and most choices are biased to the way the creator leans.

Why care? Polls are pointless anyways.

Heromofo

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Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Victus wrote: »

Where is the option for "I would like to see player housing, but not concerned when it will get here"?

Lol, that's part of the problem with these player created polls. Answer choices are often incomplete and most choices are biased to the way the creator leans.

Or it a broader term it will be part of ( i dont mind if it does or not)

Others wise you choose the closest and explain below.

Leggi

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We have Harborage in the end. That can be our house. Or a cave at least.
An obtainable after the main quest is finished place.
At least 1 for account.

Would be great

djyrb

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I've played more MMORPG's that didn't have player housing than did, so it's not really a big deal to me personally. However, should it be added, I think it would add a lot more of a classic Elder Scrolls feel to the game, and I would definitely take part in the system to at least try it out.

Heromofo

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Shunravi wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Victus wrote: »

Where is the option for "I would like to see player housing, but not concerned when it will get here"?

Lol, that's part of the problem with these player created polls. Answer choices are often incomplete and most choices are biased to the way the creator leans.

Why care? Polls are pointless anyways.

Zos does take all feedback seriously bud id recommend its better to try than not to try at all.

idk

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Shunravi wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Victus wrote: »

Where is the option for "I would like to see player housing, but not concerned when it will get here"?

Lol, that's part of the problem with these player created polls. Answer choices are often incomplete and most choices are biased to the way the creator leans.

Why care? Polls are pointless anyways.

Lol. Exactly. Have always gotten a laugh from the player created poll. Junk information at its best. I just find more humor in this thread from the housing is required opinions.

Shunravi

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Heromofo wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Victus wrote: »

Where is the option for "I would like to see player housing, but not concerned when it will get here"?

Lol, that's part of the problem with these player created polls. Answer choices are often incomplete and most choices are biased to the way the creator leans.

Why care? Polls are pointless anyways.

Zos does take all feedback seriously bud id recommend its better to try than not to try at all.

(Just taking a jab at his earlier comment.)

You are preaching to the choir man. I've been here a long time and have said my piece on plenty of hopeful discussions. Many may never be implemented, but there is always the hope that they will notice the interest.

Zhoyzu

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Taking care of a virtual house? i barely wanna take care of my own. If a virtual house prevents me from caring for my actual house something is wrong. If all i do is care for a virtual house rather then play the rest of the game im doing something wrong. If i wanted to play Sims i would be playing Sims, and not ESO.

If it gets implemented ill use it but itll be a bland box that may or may not do anything to or with.

Heromofo

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Shunravi wrote: »

Heromofo wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Victus wrote: »

Where is the option for "I would like to see player housing, but not concerned when it will get here"?

Lol, that's part of the problem with these player created polls. Answer choices are often incomplete and most choices are biased to the way the creator leans.

Why care? Polls are pointless anyways.

Zos does take all feedback seriously bud id recommend its better to try than not to try at all.

(Just taking a jab at his earlier comment.)

You are preaching to the choir man. I've been here a long time and have said my piece on plenty of hopeful discussions. Many may never be implemented, but there is always the hope that they will notice the interest.

Aaah righto lol but yeah i have seen many people call the feedback junk. But ever since the beta many changes have been made because of such *junk*. But its fine if they dont want to have their say but one of Zenimax good qualities is they do seem to listen and react to feedback.

PeggymoeXD

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Even as a PvP'er who spends most of his time in Cyrodiil, I want player housing.

This is the elder scrolls for pete's sake. You've always been able to own a house. I don't typically care for RP a whole lot, but my guess is it's slightly un-immersive to have to break into another house to pretend it's your own. Also, there really isn't a whole bunch to spend gold on in this game. My guild is just sitting on piles of it, just saving it for a steal at a guild store or maybe a respec every now and then. Some furnishings for our gangster house would be awesome. And make it like FFXIV, where other people can check it out. Not one house sitting in the middle of the map where everyone is instanced into it separately.

Also, if this were to happen. I think converting Undaunted sets we had no use for into head mantles to hang in the houses would be awesome. I have like 4 Bogdan heads, but I'm a stamina DK.... So I do literally no healing to others. But hanging that menacing head over my fireplace would look pretty darn good.

Shunravi

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Heromofo wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

Heromofo wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Victus wrote: »

Where is the option for "I would like to see player housing, but not concerned when it will get here"?

Lol, that's part of the problem with these player created polls. Answer choices are often incomplete and most choices are biased to the way the creator leans.

Why care? Polls are pointless anyways.

Zos does take all feedback seriously bud id recommend its better to try than not to try at all.

(Just taking a jab at his earlier comment.)

You are preaching to the choir man. I've been here a long time and have said my piece on plenty of hopeful discussions. Many may never be implemented, but there is always the hope that they will notice the interest.

Aaah righto lol but yeah i have seen many people call the feedback junk. But ever since the beta many changes have been made because of such *junk*. But its fine if they dont want to have their say but one of Zenimax good qualities is they do seem to listen and react to feedback.

Yea, some changes have been great, others have driven my friends away from the game. But they do listen, and that's great.

What tends to happen is people see threads asking for stuff, and they interpret it as "I want it now!!!" Now in the case of this poll, you actually kinda have that option.... Regardless, people always react to suggestion threads with things like "fix the lag first" or "there are other things that are more important." Well, of course! But we can still make suggestions And demonstrate our interest.

I have suggested things like player made dlc legitimized through interacting with the daedric Prince of nightmares. I don't expect it to be considered for serious development for several years, but I will continue to show interest.

Heromofo

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Shunravi wrote: »

Heromofo wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

Heromofo wrote: »

Shunravi wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Victus wrote: »

Where is the option for "I would like to see player housing, but not concerned when it will get here"?

Lol, that's part of the problem with these player created polls. Answer choices are often incomplete and most choices are biased to the way the creator leans.

Why care? Polls are pointless anyways.

Zos does take all feedback seriously bud id recommend its better to try than not to try at all.

(Just taking a jab at his earlier comment.)

You are preaching to the choir man. I've been here a long time and have said my piece on plenty of hopeful discussions. Many may never be implemented, but there is always the hope that they will notice the interest.

Aaah righto lol but yeah i have seen many people call the feedback junk. But ever since the beta many changes have been made because of such *junk*. But its fine if they dont want to have their say but one of Zenimax good qualities is they do seem to listen and react to feedback.

Yea, some changes have been great, others have driven my friends away from the game. But they do listen, and that's great.

What tends to happen is people see threads asking for stuff, and they interpret it as "I want it now!!!" Now in the case of this poll, you actually kinda have that option.... Regardless, people always react to suggestion threads with things like "fix the lag first" or "there are other things that are more important." Well, of course! But we can still make suggestions And demonstrate our interest.

I have suggested things like player made dlc legitimized through interacting with the daedric Prince of nightmares. I don't expect it to be considered for serious development for several years, but I will continue to show interest.

Agreed all the way see what spins me out is people seem to think they only work on one thing or problem at once. They do have a large staff still and each group has there tasks. People need to remember if one group is working on say player housing then another team will be working on debugging the game etc etc lol.

Gandrhulf_Harbard

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asdf0716 wrote: »

Not only "if" it comes, but, how it's implemented. To be honest, I will hate it if it's instanced housing.

Given the addition of the Justice System it would be silly beyond belief to then use instanced housing.

All The Best

Heromofo

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Ps player made dlc is a brillant idea like gta online it lets new content in while the team works on large dlc.

Gandrhulf_Harbard

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I wrote this some years back as an idea on how to improve Kinhouses in LotRO. I firmly believe that if houses are just going to be trophy stores, or in some otherway primarily cosmetic then its probably a waste of time putting them in.

Houses should "do something" for the Character, and Guild-Houses should be the central hub / focus of the Guild with tangible benefits to Guildmembers.

Now obviously the game mechanics parts here are not necessarily relevant to ESO, but it will give you an idea on what I mean.

Kinship House Rethink

Kinship houses often seem to sit there full of trophies no-one really looks at. For most Kins the house is somewhere to have just 3 extra storage chests and a place to display the Kin's progress through the world by having a few trophies on the wall.

With a bit of a rethink the Kin House could become the central defining point of a Kin. It could become a reason for people want to join a Kin and the reason they are happy to stay with a kin. What would bring about this change? Utility, or usefulness.

At the moment if you have a Kin House or a Personal House you get a slight reduction in services in the neighbourhood of your house. In reality this discount does not even cover the cost of a the weekly upkeep. The ideas I have are an attempt to change that, to make a kin House (and to a lesser extent a personal house) a focus of the game and an essential part of maintaining progression through the game world; Kin Houses would also become a bit like academies for newer characters to help through some of the early stages, but only if their Kin has done the ground work.

Crafting

The first change should come to crafting. This will have knock-on effects to the current "Hook" system.

A Kin house should have several "hooks" for crafting facilities. Large Hooks would be for the facility itself, Small Hooks would add a storage container specific to that craft.

For Example.

A "Large Yard" Hook could become a "field" for the Farming Craft, a connected Small Yard Hook would become a storage shed for the materials used in Farming.

A "Large yard" could also be used to add Forge facilities for Weapon and metal Smiths. The accompanying Storage Shed would only accept material used in those professions.

A Large Yard could have drying racks for leather and timer for Foresters.

Inside the house you could have:

Large Wall = Scholars Bookshelf - For Scholars.
Large Wall = "Kitchen" - for Cooks.

Large Furniture = Tailors Station, Jewel Cutters Desk etc.


These Crafting facilities would only "unlock" once a Kin had a member with "Master" level ability with that craft AND Ally status with the appropriate Crafting Guild; only then would he/she be able to "pass on" their skills by setting up such an academy.

The Kin would need to appoint one Member to be the Craft Mentor for each Craft. If that member leaves and can not be replaced by another similarly skilled member within one week (payment cycle on the house) then that academy would lose the support of the associated Craft Guild and would close.

These Craft Facilities would only be useable for crafting items up to Artisan level.

However, once the Craft Mentor had become a Supreme Master and attained Kindred status with the Craft Guild the facilitles could be "upgraded" to allow crafting at higher levels.

A Basic Craft Station would add a small amount to the "Upkeep" of the Kin House, an advanced Craft Station would add a little more.


Other Features

The Stables

An "Extra Large Yard" hook could be used to add a Stables, with an NPC Stable Master.
This would permit all Kin Members to gain a 5% or 10% bonus to mount movement speeds, this would reflect the extra care, attention and good animal husbandry the Kin was able to provide for its mounts. Again, there would be a small addition to the Upkeep fee for this facility.

The Storemaster

Once a Kin had attained one, or more, Advanced Crafting Facilities they could then employ their own Storemaster. He would offer greatly reduced prices for all repairs. In addition he would have a Storage Chest specifically for Potions, Trail Food and Oils and Chants etc. The Kin would have to stock this Storage Chest, and all members could both contribute to it and take from it. Again, there would be a small addition to the Upkeep fee for this facility.

Bedrooms

The Bedroom would come with an NPC Housekeeper. What use could a Bedroom be in a Kin House? Rested XP. Currently when we log out we accrue "rested XP" at a certain rate. Now to make being in a Kin truly desirable to lower level characters the Bedrooms could give a slight (5% ?) bonus to how fast Rested XP is accumulated. But ONLY if the Character in question Logged Out of the game in His Kin House's Bedroom. Again, there would be a small addition to the Upkeep fee for this facility.

Cosmetic Changes

How about having seats we can sit on, and table we can sit at? Simple enough really.


Upkeep Costs

OK, so I have made some changes to the Upkeep costs, and this will have to be paid for somehow.

First of all there would be two levels of permission in a Kin House, Basic & Advanced.

Basic would permit the current level of access, use of the three Storage Lockers, and beer kegs etc.

The Advanced would permit usage of any of these new features I have proposed.

Each Kin member could decide for themselves what level of commitment, and thereby support, they are prepared to pay for.

Each member would tick his or her own Basic or Advanced tick-box.

The Upkeep tab would then workout the price each member would need to pay each week and a message would be sent to each player when that amount became due asking them to permit that deduction from their own cash. There would, of course, be an option to pay up-front for a period of time, just like there is now. You could even add in a weighting system so that Officers pay a little more than normal members, and recruits pay a nominal fee.

The Upkeep Tab could also allow the Kin leader to set a One Off joining Fee, this money would then be "banked" to cover a shortfall in the Upkeep costs if such a thing occurred, sat because a few people left and the income did not quite cover the fees.

These changes would make the Kin House a central part of each kin, rather than an "ornament" of no real in-game value. If we are going to invest money in our Kin Houses as we must do in real life, then surely just as in real life we should get some real benefit from doing so.


As an after thought I thought it might be appropriate to have some of these things linked.

For Example:
"The Stables" only unlocks once the Kin House has an advanced "Farmer's Field".
"The Bedroom / Housekeeper" only unlocks once the Kin House has an advanced "Kitchen".

This way the Kin House "grows" in to a small community to support the Kin.

All The Best

ShadowMage

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This is something that really should be in the game. Would make it feel so much more like an Elder Scrolls game. I'm not going to leave if it never gets implemented, but I really think it needs to be added. A new zone first would be nice, but housing needs to be next.

That said, I definitely don't want it rushed out and end up half-baked. It needs to be done right. Housing should be instanced so it feels more like your own, but with the ability to bring friends in to show it off. It needs to have plenty of storage and customization options, like manually placing furniture and being able to craft different furniture. Display racks for trophies and weapons. Mannequins to display armor sets. The land and house should be built and customized feature-by-feature, kind of like Hearthfire where you could build a garden or add rooms and levels to the house. @Gidorick had a very nice write-up on housing. I also saw a great suggestion from somebody (don't remember where or who made it) about giving guilds large plots of instanced land to build their own cities in.

JWKe

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SWG's player housing was really neat. I hope ZOS's version of player housing has as much dept as SWG's.

Heromofo

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Ke Jun Wen wrote: »

SWG's player housing was really neat. I hope ZOS's version of player housing has as much dept as SWG's.

Its nice to see people from SWG days playimg eso and yes the possibility are endless.

Heromofo

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ShadowMage wrote: »

This is something that really should be in the game. Would make it feel so much more like an Elder Scrolls game. I'm not going to leave if it never gets implemented, but I really think it needs to be added. A new zone first would be nice, but housing needs to be next.

That said, I definitely don't want it rushed out and end up half-baked. It needs to be done right. Housing should be instanced so it feels more like your own, but with the ability to bring friends in to show it off. It needs to have plenty of storage and customization options, like manually placing furniture and being able to craft different furniture. Display racks for trophies and weapons. Mannequins to display armor sets. The land and house should be built and customized feature-by-feature, kind of like Hearthfire where you could build a garden or add rooms and levels to the house. @Gidorick had a very nice write-up on housing. I also saw a great suggestion from somebody (don't remember where or who made it) about giving guilds large plots of instanced land to build their own cities in.

Mate that would be unreal for guilds to instance and to build a guild town.
While we build our house from a small shack to a fortress.

Mercutio

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While not for me, I understand that a lot of people like housing. SWG did it best imo. Instanced housing like in EQ2 seems a bit pointless to me. But to each their own.

Heromofo

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Mercutio wrote: »

While not for me, I understand that a lot of people like housing. SWG did it best imo. Instanced housing like in EQ2 seems a bit pointless to me. But to each their own.

Aaah i think this time instance housing may be best for eso but they better follow in SWG steps lol it was mind blowing for its age.

Mercutio

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I agree, instanced would be the most logical for ESO. Perhaps a compromise of some kind? An instanced player housing area that would expand/contract based on population? You could see and enter (with permissions) people's homes. The outside could be decorated with gardens, different types of walls, etc.

I would enjoy walking down the street and seeing the different artistic endeavors. But when every dwelling is hidden behind an instance it becomes tedious to me.

Mercutio

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In any event, I think we can all agree that giving players an outlet for artistic expression furthers loyalty to a game even if we are not inclined to participate in said directly. For those like myself who aren't into it, no harm no foul. We can simply ignore it. For those who are fond of player housing it would be a great revenue generator. And I believe those numbers exist in sufficient quantity to make player housing a reality whenever ZOS can realistically implement it.

bloodenragedb14_ESO

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PKMN12 wrote: »

Daenerys wrote: »

This game will never feel like a true Elder Scrolls game without player housing.

except morrowind did not have ANY player housing, not really, but it is considered to be the most beloved of the elder scrolls games........

in skyrim it was a dlc, in oblivion it was a dlc,
in morrowind i remember housing being connected to the great houses, each house had its own building type for the player. best was the telvanni. The telvanni house grew over time, got bigger, love them shroom houses.

so morrowind did have housing

Mercutio

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What might make it interesting to me is if, say, you could earn a title of nobility and a corresponding tower/keep/castle based on a lengthy quest line. I envision it requiring diplomacy, PvP, and very hard boss fights.

The higher in rank you rose, the more grandiose your housing.

Heromofo

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Mercutio wrote: »

What might make it interesting to me is if, say, you could earn a title of nobility and a corresponding tower/keep/castle based on a lengthy quest line. I envision it requiring diplomacy, PvP, and very hard boss fights.

The higher in rank you rose, the more grandiose your housing.

I see housing more as an artistic thing for players to do.
It will make people loyal to eso if they feel apart of it lol i know but it works.
A good gold sink.
I spent more time doing my houses in skyrim than playing the game and with over 800 hours played you can see what i mean.
A good way to make tonnes of cash for zos is by having quick options in the crown store for housing.

Srsly so many reasons why to have it very little not to

Mercutio

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I think that is a fair opinion. To be clear, I'm not saying that my proposal should be the only way to obtain player housing. A CS purchase should be an option as well. I'm merely stating what would make it interesting to me.