blackevil86 wrote: »blackevil86 wrote: »liammozzb16_ESO wrote: »someone always uses this argument to justify themselves, look we all get that it's a game, what we're saying is we like the more realistic design choices they've made and would prefer they stay that was as opposed to having everyone run around dressed up like they were "actors" in "The lord of the Bangs: Fellowship of the bang"you can feel free to disagree with those of us that like things as is, and we'll continue to disagree with you.
Isn't CHOICE part of the realism u seek? Oh, so u never see boobs hanging out irl? Or a dude that want to show off his fake muscles?
Freedom of choice m8...
uhm, i don't know where this whole choice thing came from, unless you are referenceing design choices by the dev team....in which case i think you need to work on your reading comprehension. But go online and see if you can find a bullet proof vest with a boob window, i haven't looked but i'll bet you can't find one, it's not funtional that way, you wouldn't find it in anything beyond ceremonial non functional armors either, and thats the setting the devs created, and i for one like it.
it is clear now that since you long for such realism in games u have no life at all... go outside and tell me if everyone is dressed the way that you expect/want. If they ever put in bikinis and stuff like that, I will buy it and I will find you and I will show you what freedom of choice is with my MALE char.
Rune_Relic wrote: »blackevil86 wrote: »Yes it is fiction but you still have to apply realism to it. Look at Dragon age, it's fantasy (elves, dwarves, demons, dragons magic, the whole shabang) and they do armour pretty legit and even reference to "boob plate" and how stupid it is (even in their fantasy setting) with the quote posted earlier between iron Bull and Cassandra.
If we just go - "Well it's fiction/fantasy, you can't app;y realism" Where do you draw the line? I want my character to jump as high as a mountain! Gravity? Pft stop trying to apply realism into my fantasy!
there is no physics in ESO therefore there is no gravity. Its just a constant check for ground collision and in case there is none, the "body" will be moved down until collision is reached. Where is the realism in that? It is fictionally represented to emulate reality, but no physical laws apply. Basically its just like PACMAN with z-axis. And now try to say there is realism in PACMAN...
Actually when you jump it is based on physics built into the engine.
blackevil86 wrote: »blackevil86 wrote: »liammozzb16_ESO wrote: »someone always uses this argument to justify themselves, look we all get that it's a game, what we're saying is we like the more realistic design choices they've made and would prefer they stay that was as opposed to having everyone run around dressed up like they were "actors" in "The lord of the Bangs: Fellowship of the bang"you can feel free to disagree with those of us that like things as is, and we'll continue to disagree with you.
Isn't CHOICE part of the realism u seek? Oh, so u never see boobs hanging out irl? Or a dude that want to show off his fake muscles?
Freedom of choice m8...
uhm, i don't know where this whole choice thing came from, unless you are referenceing design choices by the dev team....in which case i think you need to work on your reading comprehension. But go online and see if you can find a bullet proof vest with a boob window, i haven't looked but i'll bet you can't find one, it's not funtional that way, you wouldn't find it in anything beyond ceremonial non functional armors either, and thats the setting the devs created, and i for one like it.
it is clear now that since you long for such realism in games u have no life at all... go outside and tell me if everyone is dressed the way that you expect/want. If they ever put in bikinis and stuff like that, I will buy it and I will find you and I will show you what freedom of choice is with my MALE char.
lol, that's hilarious, so you have no real rebuttal so you choose to insult me instead, good for you my friend stick to your guns!
blackevil86 wrote: »blackevil86 wrote: »blackevil86 wrote: »liammozzb16_ESO wrote: »someone always uses this argument to justify themselves, look we all get that it's a game, what we're saying is we like the more realistic design choices they've made and would prefer they stay that was as opposed to having everyone run around dressed up like they were "actors" in "The lord of the Bangs: Fellowship of the bang"you can feel free to disagree with those of us that like things as is, and we'll continue to disagree with you.
Isn't CHOICE part of the realism u seek? Oh, so u never see boobs hanging out irl? Or a dude that want to show off his fake muscles?
Freedom of choice m8...
uhm, i don't know where this whole choice thing came from, unless you are referenceing design choices by the dev team....in which case i think you need to work on your reading comprehension. But go online and see if you can find a bullet proof vest with a boob window, i haven't looked but i'll bet you can't find one, it's not funtional that way, you wouldn't find it in anything beyond ceremonial non functional armors either, and thats the setting the devs created, and i for one like it.
it is clear now that since you long for such realism in games u have no life at all... go outside and tell me if everyone is dressed the way that you expect/want. If they ever put in bikinis and stuff like that, I will buy it and I will find you and I will show you what freedom of choice is with my MALE char.
lol, that's hilarious, so you have no real rebuttal so you choose to insult me instead, good for you my friend stick to your guns!
It wasnt ment as an insult, just stating the facts.
No, I actually don't have to apply anything. Don't presume you have the authority to define what kind of realism anyone has to apply to her/his fantasy, for heaven's sake.Yes it is fiction but you still have to apply realism to it.
Ah well, we as in the other we that you were not talking for prefer to have an option to get what we want.look we all get that it's a game, what we're saying is we like the more realistic design choices they've made and would prefer they stay
liammozzb16_ESO wrote: »She wore medium armour that consisted of a leather bra and skirt. It had 0 value as armour.
blackevil86 wrote: »blackevil86 wrote: »liammozzb16_ESO wrote: »someone always uses this argument to justify themselves, look we all get that it's a game, what we're saying is we like the more realistic design choices they've made and would prefer they stay that was as opposed to having everyone run around dressed up like they were "actors" in "The lord of the Bangs: Fellowship of the bang"you can feel free to disagree with those of us that like things as is, and we'll continue to disagree with you.
Isn't CHOICE part of the realism u seek? Oh, so u never see boobs hanging out irl? Or a dude that want to show off his fake muscles?
Freedom of choice m8...
uhm, i don't know where this whole choice thing came from, unless you are referenceing design choices by the dev team....in which case i think you need to work on your reading comprehension. But go online and see if you can find a bullet proof vest with a boob window, i haven't looked but i'll bet you can't find one, it's not funtional that way, you wouldn't find it in anything beyond ceremonial non functional armors either, and thats the setting the devs created, and i for one like it.
it is clear now that since you long for such realism in games u have no life at all... go outside and tell me if everyone is dressed the way that you expect/want. If they ever put in bikinis and stuff like that, I will buy it and I will find you and I will show you what freedom of choice is with my MALE char.
lol, that's hilarious, so you have no real rebuttal so you choose to insult me instead, good for you my friend stick to your guns!
I'm all for skimpy - as long as it is offered for BOTH GENDERS. As soon as this game starts pandering to female skimpy only (like TERA did), then I'll be gone so fast you won't see me for the dust.
I understand that this game can't be modded, but there are straight women and gay men playing this game as well as straight guys, we want to see skin too. Especially as there are so many tattoo and body paint options - pretty useless having any, if all we do is cover them all up.
In town, my guys often go around shirtless, especially the khajiits. Such beautiful work on their fur patterns, just to be covered up.
Stonesthrow wrote: »blackevil86 wrote: »blackevil86 wrote: »liammozzb16_ESO wrote: »someone always uses this argument to justify themselves, look we all get that it's a game, what we're saying is we like the more realistic design choices they've made and would prefer they stay that was as opposed to having everyone run around dressed up like they were "actors" in "The lord of the Bangs: Fellowship of the bang"you can feel free to disagree with those of us that like things as is, and we'll continue to disagree with you.
Isn't CHOICE part of the realism u seek? Oh, so u never see boobs hanging out irl? Or a dude that want to show off his fake muscles?
Freedom of choice m8...
uhm, i don't know where this whole choice thing came from, unless you are referenceing design choices by the dev team....in which case i think you need to work on your reading comprehension. But go online and see if you can find a bullet proof vest with a boob window, i haven't looked but i'll bet you can't find one, it's not funtional that way, you wouldn't find it in anything beyond ceremonial non functional armors either, and thats the setting the devs created, and i for one like it.
it is clear now that since you long for such realism in games u have no life at all... go outside and tell me if everyone is dressed the way that you expect/want. If they ever put in bikinis and stuff like that, I will buy it and I will find you and I will show you what freedom of choice is with my MALE char.
lol, that's hilarious, so you have no real rebuttal so you choose to insult me instead, good for you my friend stick to your guns!
What's funnier is anyone arguing realism about a game that you can die in PvP 1 zillion times with no armor damage at all (unless you pull a Percy off a cliff), where you run around without a soul, shooting fire from a stick at zombies, becoming a vampire or werewolf, calling meteors down from the sky while fighting a god, crafting a set of armor in 5 minutes all while pretending to be a gender you aren't… and on and on…
I hope they do put some stuff in the crown store to satisfy folks.
I liked the boob window.
Eliteseraph wrote: »I couldn't find the exact article I was looking for, but Imgur to the rescue! A pretty good read, short, with pictures too!
http://imgur.com/gallery/pIh4A
Gaming still has a long way to go when it comes to good armor design, both for men and women. But things are coming along nicely. At least we have games like ESO where female armor at least looks like armor instead of a costume designed to show off some supermodel's assets.
... Also, to the folks bashing the "feminists and prudes", I'm not so sure this game is for you. ESO, and TES in general, leans toward being heavily egalitarian; both genders can work in the same roles without a single eyebrow raised. You can see this from the guards to priests to bandits, to, yes, the armor choices, the heroes, the leaders, generals, villains, etc. Your "all women are naked slaves to serve manly Dragonborn" mods =/= TES.
IrishGirlGamer wrote: »... Also, to the folks bashing the "feminists and prudes", I'm not so sure this game is for you. ESO, and TES in general, leans toward being heavily egalitarian; both genders can work in the same roles without a single eyebrow raised. You can see this from the guards to priests to bandits, to, yes, the armor choices, the heroes, the leaders, generals, villains, etc. Your "all women are naked slaves to serve manly Dragonborn" mods =/= TES.
One of the reasons I've always admired the TES franchise. Sure, there are literally dozens and dozens of skimpy armor/female slave mods for the other TES games but then I don't have to play them, do I?
I just took a minute to look through the three threads on this topic that on the first few pages of this forum and I noticed something interesting ... every single picture posted ... is of a female character. Every single one.
And yet the people who seem to be really upset about this are men. Or people's wives and girlfriends who are OUTRAGED but can't come to the computer and express that outrage despite assurances that they play the game all the time (and one would assume have a forum account of their own ...)
IrishGirlGamer wrote: »... Also, to the folks bashing the "feminists and prudes", I'm not so sure this game is for you. ESO, and TES in general, leans toward being heavily egalitarian; both genders can work in the same roles without a single eyebrow raised. You can see this from the guards to priests to bandits, to, yes, the armor choices, the heroes, the leaders, generals, villains, etc. Your "all women are naked slaves to serve manly Dragonborn" mods =/= TES.
One of the reasons I've always admired the TES franchise. Sure, there are literally dozens and dozens of skimpy armor/female slave mods for the other TES games but then I don't have to play them, do I?
I just took a minute to look through the three threads on this topic that on the first few pages of this forum and I noticed something interesting ... every single picture posted ... is of a female character. Every single one.
And yet the people who seem to be really upset about this are men. Or people's wives and girlfriends who are OUTRAGED but can't come to the computer and express that outrage despite assurances that they play the game all the time (and one would assume have a forum account of their own ...)
Stonesthrow wrote: »blackevil86 wrote: »blackevil86 wrote: »liammozzb16_ESO wrote: »someone always uses this argument to justify themselves, look we all get that it's a game, what we're saying is we like the more realistic design choices they've made and would prefer they stay that was as opposed to having everyone run around dressed up like they were "actors" in "The lord of the Bangs: Fellowship of the bang"you can feel free to disagree with those of us that like things as is, and we'll continue to disagree with you.
Isn't CHOICE part of the realism u seek? Oh, so u never see boobs hanging out irl? Or a dude that want to show off his fake muscles?
Freedom of choice m8...
uhm, i don't know where this whole choice thing came from, unless you are referenceing design choices by the dev team....in which case i think you need to work on your reading comprehension. But go online and see if you can find a bullet proof vest with a boob window, i haven't looked but i'll bet you can't find one, it's not funtional that way, you wouldn't find it in anything beyond ceremonial non functional armors either, and thats the setting the devs created, and i for one like it.
it is clear now that since you long for such realism in games u have no life at all... go outside and tell me if everyone is dressed the way that you expect/want. If they ever put in bikinis and stuff like that, I will buy it and I will find you and I will show you what freedom of choice is with my MALE char.
lol, that's hilarious, so you have no real rebuttal so you choose to insult me instead, good for you my friend stick to your guns!
What's funnier is anyone arguing realism about a game that you can die in PvP 1 zillion times with no armor damage at all (unless you pull a Percy off a cliff), where you run around without a soul, shooting fire from a stick at zombies, becoming a vampire or werewolf, calling meteors down from the sky while fighting a god, crafting a set of armor in 5 minutes all while pretending to be a gender you aren't… and on and on…
I hope they do put some stuff in the crown store to satisfy folks.
I liked the boob window.
I think it's funny how people can gloss over the meaning of something just so it'll fit with their own opinion, i've stated throughout my posts that i like their more realistic armor design choices, not that they had to be realistic because it would have any real impact on effectiveness. like i said above, yes i realize this is a game, and none of it is real, but i like the look of the more realistic design especially when compared to metal bikini armor. Happily for me, and those that agree with me, the devs created a world where these armor styles are the norm.
blackevil86 wrote: »Eliteseraph wrote: »I couldn't find the exact article I was looking for, but Imgur to the rescue! A pretty good read, short, with pictures too!
http://imgur.com/gallery/pIh4A
Gaming still has a long way to go when it comes to good armor design, both for men and women. But things are coming along nicely. At least we have games like ESO where female armor at least looks like armor instead of a costume designed to show off some supermodel's assets.
That might apply to reality, but in a game, U CAN'T EVEN TRIP like that. Before looking for realism in appearances in game, try to find realism in mechanics to go along with it. As it is, it doesn't matter how much skin is exposed since what matters are the sheer numbers that define that exact piece of gear. That's why I really can't seem to understand why are so many of you AGAINST more cosmetic choices since it wouldn't hurt your own RP. Just your eyes...if u are gay xD (joke)
OP: Your wife doesn't like the V1 Dunmer and Argonian lights?
There is some cool stuff out there, you just have to take the time to find it.
Like @bellanca6561n, my characters have "in town" outfits made from stolen clothes and low-level armor. With wykkyd's outfitter, it's really easy to switch around.
You want to show off your character's boobs? Don't wear upper body armor!!! You will get two birds with one shot- your char will look slutty and you will get realism!
Stonesthrow wrote: »Stonesthrow wrote: »blackevil86 wrote: »blackevil86 wrote: »liammozzb16_ESO wrote: »someone always uses this argument to justify themselves, look we all get that it's a game, what we're saying is we like the more realistic design choices they've made and would prefer they stay that was as opposed to having everyone run around dressed up like they were "actors" in "The lord of the Bangs: Fellowship of the bang"you can feel free to disagree with those of us that like things as is, and we'll continue to disagree with you.
Isn't CHOICE part of the realism u seek? Oh, so u never see boobs hanging out irl? Or a dude that want to show off his fake muscles?
Freedom of choice m8...
uhm, i don't know where this whole choice thing came from, unless you are referenceing design choices by the dev team....in which case i think you need to work on your reading comprehension. But go online and see if you can find a bullet proof vest with a boob window, i haven't looked but i'll bet you can't find one, it's not funtional that way, you wouldn't find it in anything beyond ceremonial non functional armors either, and thats the setting the devs created, and i for one like it.
it is clear now that since you long for such realism in games u have no life at all... go outside and tell me if everyone is dressed the way that you expect/want. If they ever put in bikinis and stuff like that, I will buy it and I will find you and I will show you what freedom of choice is with my MALE char.
lol, that's hilarious, so you have no real rebuttal so you choose to insult me instead, good for you my friend stick to your guns!
What's funnier is anyone arguing realism about a game that you can die in PvP 1 zillion times with no armor damage at all (unless you pull a Percy off a cliff), where you run around without a soul, shooting fire from a stick at zombies, becoming a vampire or werewolf, calling meteors down from the sky while fighting a god, crafting a set of armor in 5 minutes all while pretending to be a gender you aren't… and on and on…
I hope they do put some stuff in the crown store to satisfy folks.
I liked the boob window.
I think it's funny how people can gloss over the meaning of something just so it'll fit with their own opinion, i've stated throughout my posts that i like their more realistic armor design choices, not that they had to be realistic because it would have any real impact on effectiveness. like i said above, yes i realize this is a game, and none of it is real, but i like the look of the more realistic design especially when compared to metal bikini armor. Happily for me, and those that agree with me, the devs created a world where these armor styles are the norm.
My comment was for everyone not just narcissists… and sorry, the Devs have already hinted through ESO LIVE during the Q&A where they were talking about the "Boob Window" BY NAME, that they will possibly be adding (if it means $$ and doesn't break the game then it means yes) this type of attire as costumes to the crown store.
Hey… I'm a guy playing guy characters… I like the armor we got and the armor the ladies got aint half bad either, but at the same time, I had no issue with the window of boob and neither did the women I run with in PvE and PvP. The ARENA box on the other hand was just eye candy puberty fodder, even though I was 25 when it came out <cough> <cough>, and has no place in this game, I agree.
/shrug at my opinion.
blackevil86 wrote: »Rune_Relic wrote: »blackevil86 wrote: »Yes it is fiction but you still have to apply realism to it. Look at Dragon age, it's fantasy (elves, dwarves, demons, dragons magic, the whole shabang) and they do armour pretty legit and even reference to "boob plate" and how stupid it is (even in their fantasy setting) with the quote posted earlier between iron Bull and Cassandra.
If we just go - "Well it's fiction/fantasy, you can't app;y realism" Where do you draw the line? I want my character to jump as high as a mountain! Gravity? Pft stop trying to apply realism into my fantasy!
there is no physics in ESO therefore there is no gravity. Its just a constant check for ground collision and in case there is none, the "body" will be moved down until collision is reached. Where is the realism in that? It is fictionally represented to emulate reality, but no physical laws apply. Basically its just like PACMAN with z-axis. And now try to say there is realism in PACMAN...
Actually when you jump it is based on physics built into the engine.
Actually the engine needs to include a physics engine to apply actual force like gravity to the physical object. ESO does not include such a feature so it all moves by relocating the object on xyz. U can use math functions to "emulate" the jump and fall speeds and other movements so they look like driven by physics. But they are not. Try jumping with a horse down the stairs and turning mid air and you will understand what i'm talking about.
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Game allows you to show off your characters boobs and ass but you have to sacrifice your armor rating. And if you care so much about look then lower armor rating and 1 less set armor peace shouldn't be obstacle for you. Why waste resources on making *** costumes when players already can dress like ***?