[Screenshot] 50% "Experience Booster" - ZOS, can we get a confirmation or further details?

Arandear

I'll definitely be using these to get my two V2's to V14 or at least half way there haha.

angel59

PKMN12 wrote: »

yup, and those same people who are playing much more than you are ALSO using those potions, keeping the gap not only intact, but increasing the gap because not every players wants to spend money on a game calling itself B2P

So what is your point? They will hit a wall then come back to the forum whining about the lack of hard content. Meanwhile, most of us will continue paying and plugging our way to cap. My ego does not deflate because someone gets ahead of me in a video game. If that were so, I would have been long gone after the exploiters zoomed to max level.

No, the only problem I see in this thread are people being afraid that someone gets xp by not doing exactly what you do. So what happens if someone has more cp than you? Where is the issue? What do we win?

I do hope they put this exp potion in. It will help me keep up with the majority. I dont realky care about the race to end crowd.

Bouvin

Lionxoft wrote: »

Screenshot from the game. Discuss.



ZOS, can we get a confirmation or further details?

Thanks in advance.

If this isn't pay to win I don't know what is.

Akselmo

I don't see any problem with this, since exp boosts aren't pay 2 win.

Or does reaching VR 14 and having all the champion points before some other guy count as winning? Give me a break.

nimander99

angel59 wrote: »

PKMN12 wrote: »

yup, and those same people who are playing much more than you are ALSO using those potions, keeping the gap not only intact, but increasing the gap because not every players wants to spend money on a game calling itself B2P

So what is your point? They will hit a wall then come back to the forum whining about the lack of hard content. Meanwhile, most of us will continue paying and plugging our way to cap. My ego does not deflate because someone gets ahead of me in a video game. If that were so, I would have been long gone after the exploiters zoomed to max level.

No, the only problem I see in this thread are people being afraid that someone gets xp by not doing exactly what you do. So what happens if someone has more cp than you? Where is the issue? What do we win?

I do hope they put this exp potion in. It will help me keep up with the majority. I dont realky care about the race to end crowd.

Exactly

Bouvin

liquid_wolf wrote: »

50% bonus to XP for two hours?

meaning... that someone could get 4 champion points in two hours instead of 2? And at what... $2/$5 a pop they could get 16 extra skill points in 8 hours for the low low price of $16-$40 dollars?

Doesn't seem worth the cost, if you ask me...

I imagine, like other games, these will be available in game by chance/chests/rewards... I remember getting lots of stuff like this in other games and used them when I had a good XP farming moment to make it worthwhile.

If you're a trust funder cost isn't an issue.

That's what Free2Play cash shop games call a "whale" and where they make most of their money.

PKMN12

angel59 wrote: »

PKMN12 wrote: »

yup, and those same people who are playing much more than you are ALSO using those potions, keeping the gap not only intact, but increasing the gap because not every players wants to spend money on a game calling itself B2P

So what is your point? They will hit a wall then come back to the forum whining about the lack of hard content. Meanwhile, most of us will continue paying and plugging our way to cap. My ego does not deflate because someone gets ahead of me in a video game. If that were so, I would have been long gone after the exploiters zoomed to max level.

No, the only problem I see in this thread are people being afraid that someone gets xp by not doing exactly what you do. So what happens if someone has more cp than you? Where is the issue? What do we win?

I do hope they put this exp potion in. It will help me keep up with the majority. I dont realky care about the race to end crowd.

There is no wall though, the champion system is/was meant to be infinte. thus, you are now paying to have a direct advantage over everyone who did not pay

you do not care? that is nice, guess what a lot of the crowd playing MMOs is......besides this does effect you, you will not be doing anything in PVP other than dieing unless you buy these pots, you will not be accepeted into groups if you do not have a certain amount of Champion poins, of which might not be easily gotten without those potions.

yeah, your kind of thinking is EXACTLY what makes these kind of games a complete joke that no one cares about ot takes seriously.

IF this is allowed, you REALY think they are going too add more content? no, they will just keep adding stuff to the store, and MAYBE add some conent every so often, but bugs will be free to roam without being fixed at all and time wil be spent by the devs making stuff for you to buy.

cf398ub17_ESO

it would help with the vr grind

Varicite

angel59 wrote: »

PKMN12 wrote: »

yup, and those same people who are playing much more than you are ALSO using those potions, keeping the gap not only intact, but increasing the gap because not every players wants to spend money on a game calling itself B2P

So what is your point? They will hit a wall then come back to the forum whining about the lack of hard content. Meanwhile, most of us will continue paying and plugging our way to cap. My ego does not deflate because someone gets ahead of me in a video game. If that were so, I would have been long gone after the exploiters zoomed to max level.

No, the only problem I see in this thread are people being afraid that someone gets xp by not doing exactly what you do. So what happens if someone has more cp than you? Where is the issue? What do we win?

I do hope they put this exp potion in. It will help me keep up with the majority. I dont realky care about the race to end crowd.

Your post seems all over the place. You don't care about getting to the end, but you need to get there faster. You call people who did it faster than you "exploiters", but if you're doing it faster than others, that's totally cool.

As to "what happens if someone has more cp than you?", every competitive arena of this game is based on performance. Trials has leaderboards. PvP has leaderboards and Emperorship. More CP gives you a huge advantage when trying to make it onto those leaderboards, that's simple fact.

PS) Console players will not be playing w/ PC players. So no, console players will not need to use these to "catch up" to anyone, they are all starting fresh.

Bouvin

Akselmo wrote: »

I don't see any problem with this, since exp boosts aren't pay 2 win.

Or does reaching VR 14 and having all the champion points before some other guy count as winning? Give me a break.

Considering if you have 3600 champion points you will CRUSH other people in PvP that don't. Then ya, it's pay to win.

Akselmo

Bouvin wrote: »

Akselmo wrote: »

I don't see any problem with this, since exp boosts aren't pay 2 win.

Or does reaching VR 14 and having all the champion points before some other guy count as winning? Give me a break.

Considering if you have 3600 champion points you will CRUSH other people in PvP that don't. Then ya, it's pay to win.

And those take ages to grind anyway, even with the exp boost.

If this is such a huge problem, even though I really don't see why people are crying and sobbing so much, why not make the potions only affect people who are under level 50.

PKMN12

Akselmo wrote: »

Bouvin wrote: »

Akselmo wrote: »

I don't see any problem with this, since exp boosts aren't pay 2 win.

Or does reaching VR 14 and having all the champion points before some other guy count as winning? Give me a break.

Considering if you have 3600 champion points you will CRUSH other people in PvP that don't. Then ya, it's pay to win.

While that would be the best option, it is not going to happen, ZOS wants money, and the best way to sell these potions and get all the remaining players money is to sell them for endgame progression and power.

EQBallzz

Audigy wrote: »

EQBallzz wrote: »

mcurley wrote: »

Well since there is so much hate about these potions I have to say that I LOVE the idea. Thank you ZOS for potentially an awesome convenience item!

Most of the complainers (who make up a very small percentage of the games population btw) already have the opportunity to play this game much much more than the vast majority of the games population who have families and jobs irl.

As an ex-hardcore gamer I can understand why you are pissed, but your reasoning is irrelevant to the much larger casual player base and hopefully to ZOS as well. How your arguement breaks down is something like this:

The people making up the v14 community are probably around 1% of the games player base. Of those 1%, lets say half use the potions and half do not. So 0.5% of the player base thinks it's unfair that 0.5% will have more CP than they do in the long run. Do you see how trivial this sounds from a buisness standpoint?

TLDR: Most of the people using these pots will be doing so to get to v14 faster, not to grind CP.

So you love the idea that ZOS nerfs current XP gains into the ground and then introduces XP potions for cash when they clearly said numerous times that TU would be the same game as before and the 10% boost to XP would be on top of the existing game structure? That was total lie. Everyone knows that XP has been nerfed into the ground and now we are supposed to pay cash to get it back? You must be some kind of masochist to love being taken advantage of like this.

Also, if you think people aren't going to use these pots to grind CP and put you even farther behind than you are now then I have a bridge for sale you might be interested in.

You don't understand what p2w is.

P2W is a term used to describe if someone is able to gain something, that the other player can not have unless he also pays real money.. If you have bank or char slots like at GW2, SWTOR then this is a p2w situation, as someone not investing money can not have these.

If someone now buys a potion at ESO or grinds mobs, then he is maybe morally a "nuisance", maybe he is even playing the game wrong, but its nothing you cant do yourself. XP is not limited to paying real money, you will level just fine without paying, its only slower.

I hope I could be of assistance, helping you to understand what P2W in online gaming is.

Sorry but you are the one who doesn't understand. You are missing the key word in P2W which is WIN. Bank slots are nothing more than convenience. The whole idea of P2W is that someone gets an unfair advantage that can speed up leveling or gear acquisition that will enable them to progress faster/farther than you or defeat you easier in PvP. Try to not be so completely off-base when discussing things you clearly don't understand so you don't further confuse others that may not know any better.

Varicite

Akselmo wrote: »

Bouvin wrote: »

Akselmo wrote: »

I don't see any problem with this, since exp boosts aren't pay 2 win.

Or does reaching VR 14 and having all the champion points before some other guy count as winning? Give me a break.

Considering if you have 3600 champion points you will CRUSH other people in PvP that don't. Then ya, it's pay to win.

And those take ages to grind anyway, even with the exp boost.

If this is such a huge problem, even though I really don't see why people are crying and sobbing so much, why not make the potions only affect people who are under level 50.

Honestly, I just think 50% is too much.

I don't mind if someone grinding at the same speed makes it to the end 10% faster than I do. I do care if they make it there twice as fast.

DDuke

Akselmo wrote: »

Bouvin wrote: »

Akselmo wrote: »

I don't see any problem with this, since exp boosts aren't pay 2 win.

Or does reaching VR 14 and having all the champion points before some other guy count as winning? Give me a break.

Considering if you have 3600 champion points you will CRUSH other people in PvP that don't. Then ya, it's pay to win.

And those take ages to grind anyway, even with the exp boost.

If this is such a huge problem, even though I really don't see why people are crying and sobbing so much, why not make the potions only affect people who are under level 50.

Ages to grind? This is the advantage just 30 points over someone else gives you:

75-105 CPs (40%) difference:
0.3% Armour
1.3% Spell Resistance
2.1% Less Critical Strike Damage taken
0.4% Less DOT Damage taken
0.5% Less Poison, Diseaes & Magic Damage taken
0.5% Less Flame, Frost & Shock Damage taken
1.5% Stamina Recovery
-1.3% Stamina costs
+2.1% Physical Damage
+2.1% Physical Critical Strike Damage.

+12% Critical Strike chance

And it only gets worse & worse..

bg22

I'm all for it. I DO NOT want to level alts through 150 levels of content just to be competitive in Cyro...

Darklord_Tiberius

Let me remind everyone per monster kill you received 300-400 XP pre 1.6. Now in 1.6 you get roughly 150 around your same level. (These numbers are all unbuffed pre and post 1.6)

Add the 10% subscriber bonus: +15 XP~
Add the 10% Rings of Mara is applicable: +16 XP~
Add the 50% Potion: +91 XP~

Grand total: 272 XP per monster kill. (Does not even come close to what the XP was pre 1.6)

Enlightenment adds x4, which would give you any where between 600-1088 while you have it towards your Champion point gain for that day. Otherwise you are getting 150-272 per monster kill.

I have yet to figure out the quest data, but that too has been significantly reduced to make up for the fact you can now get "Boosts" that increase your XP gain.

My biggest problem with the Champion System was not the fact we had to start a new progression system; I personally love this system over the Vet ranks. My problem is with them, secretly nerfing all XP gains just to add boosts. I thought this game would be going in a different direction with the so called crown store (aka convenience) but it looks like it is the same as any other F2P style game.


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bg22

cote-bmsb16_ESO wrote: »

Damn, 50%? Well, I did spend a lot of time on my first two v14s. I'd probably use it to get my other characters up to speed. Still though, it looks like P2W.

How's it pay to win? Other than leveling you to VR14 (which everyone can do without paying), what does it do that gives you an advantage?

angel59

PKMN12 wrote: »

There is no wall though, the champion system is/was meant to be infinte. thus, you are now paying to have a direct advantage over everyone who did not pay

you do not care? that is nice, guess what a lot of the crowd playing MMOs is......besides this does effect you, you will not be doing anything in PVP other than dieing unless you buy these pots, you will not be accepeted into groups if you do not have a certain amount of Champion poins, of which might not be easily gotten without those potions.

yeah, your kind of thinking is EXACTLY what makes these kind of games a complete joke that no one cares about ot takes seriously.

IF this is allowed, you REALY think they are going too add more content? no, they will just keep adding stuff to the store, and MAYBE add some conent every so often, but bugs will be free to roam without being fixed at all and time wil be spent by the devs making stuff for you to buy.

By definition, there is a wall at 3600. Might take a while, but it is there.

I can also say that a lot of people playing MMO dont care. Does not make it correct. Neither of us has any idea of who wants what, except for the vocal minority posting. Including me.Lots of you see exp as p2w and kots of us dont see it as p2w. These are our opinions only.

I am sorry to see that your definition of gaming is the only true one. If I thought it was a joke, I would be gone. I will get to end game when I get there. If no one wants me to join their group, so be it. I may move on or roll another alt. You dont want to play my way, fine. Dont expect me to play your way.

I also love the slippery slope argument. There is no valid reason right now so lets throw a pretend one in to make it scarier. Not all of us are caught up in that facade.

This whole thing is much ado about nothing.

bg22

Bouvin wrote: »

Lionxoft wrote: »

Screenshot from the game. Discuss.



ZOS, can we get a confirmation or further details?

Thanks in advance.

If this isn't pay to win I don't know what is.

How is this pay to win? It offers zero advantage to players other than leveling faster. It does not give you VR15, or some other stat boost, so explain...

eventide03b14a_ESO

angel59 wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

I don't care if someone get's ahead because of hard work and dedication. I do take exception to someone who is more powerful simply because they spent more money. Do you honestly not see the distinction?

The distinction you refer to is called fear, or possibly envy. You dont want someone to catch up to you or overcome you unless they spend the exact same amount of time doing exactly what you do. And it has to be exact. Point me to this mythical person who is at exactly the same place as you, doing exactly what you did. It will not happen.

People progress at different rates for multiple reasons. The exp potion is not pay to win because someone gets more cp by not doing it "your" way. They are on the same journey to end cap as you. I dont have time to play that much. Why do you insist that I have to spend the same time as you to get the benefits? It all boils down to "my way or the highway".

What a compelling argument. Seriously though, try again.

liquid_wolf wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Glass house my friend. Where is all of your empirical evidence to the contrary? Just because you want to pay for your CP doesn't mean it's a good idea.

You are playing the "Prove X Doesn't Exist" card?

Come on... this is the business world. If you have a legitimate concern, and have the evidence to support it, then prove the company should spend the time and energy trying to fix it.

Right now, no one here has any evidence this will be a problem. At the very least, I want to wait and see what the prices are. As my previous posts stated... at even $2 they don't prove to have any real value except to the most elite and richest of players.

$5 for a bundle of 10? Maybe... if someone knows where to spend them to get the greatest bang for their buck. A free player using this might be put on par with a Subscribers constant 10% every time he chugs a potion. But assuming both players play 60 hours a month, I still think the subscriber gets more of a benefit with their constant 10%. That person doesn't really have to worry about making sure they get the most out of every 2 hours... Less stress.

But until we see the numbers, this is just... fear. 10 pages of fear that I'm certain ZOS has taken into consideration at this point.

No, that's what you are doing. If you payed attention to what the dissenters are saying you would see that we have many several attempts to explain in no uncertain terms how this has effected other MMOs. Nobody says they need to spend any time or energy, just don't include it. Simple. This is a game folks it's meant to be played. If you wanted a game that requires you spend money to advance just play Candy Crush.

ItsGlaive

When's the next ESO live? I can see this coming up a lot in the questions

PKMN12

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

angel59 wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

I don't care if someone get's ahead because of hard work and dedication. I do take exception to someone who is more powerful simply because they spent more money. Do you honestly not see the distinction?

The distinction you refer to is called fear, or possibly envy. You dont want someone to catch up to you or overcome you unless they spend the exact same amount of time doing exactly what you do. And it has to be exact. Point me to this mythical person who is at exactly the same place as you, doing exactly what you did. It will not happen.

People progress at different rates for multiple reasons. The exp potion is not pay to win because someone gets more cp by not doing it "your" way. They are on the same journey to end cap as you. I dont have time to play that much. Why do you insist that I have to spend the same time as you to get the benefits? It all boils down to "my way or the highway".

What a compelling argument. Seriously though, try again.

liquid_wolf wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Glass house my friend. Where is all of your empirical evidence to the contrary? Just because you want to pay for your CP doesn't mean it's a good idea.

You are playing the "Prove X Doesn't Exist" card?

Come on... this is the business world. If you have a legitimate concern, and have the evidence to support it, then prove the company should spend the time and energy trying to fix it.

Right now, no one here has any evidence this will be a problem. At the very least, I want to wait and see what the prices are. As my previous posts stated... at even $2 they don't prove to have any real value except to the most elite and richest of players.

$5 for a bundle of 10? Maybe... if someone knows where to spend them to get the greatest bang for their buck. A free player using this might be put on par with a Subscribers constant 10% every time he chugs a potion. But assuming both players play 60 hours a month, I still think the subscriber gets more of a benefit with their constant 10%. That person doesn't really have to worry about making sure they get the most out of every 2 hours... Less stress.

But until we see the numbers, this is just... fear. 10 pages of fear that I'm certain ZOS has taken into consideration at this point.

No, that's what you are doing. If you payed attention to what the dissenters are saying you would see that we have many several attempts to explain in no uncertain terms how this has effected other MMOs. Nobody says they need to spend any time or energy, just don't include it. Simple. This is a game folks it's meant to be played. If you wanted a game that requires you spend money to advance just play Candy Crush.

At least Candy Crush is honest about it.......

Zyle

Just throwing ideas out there, what are people's thoughts on an XP pot that gives 50% normal XP & 10% CP XP/2 hours?

That way it would be on par with ESO Plus members? Even if someone were to have it 24/7 the most they could really do is level alts quickly (which may or may not result in more CP gain with the current state of PvE xp, again just an idea) and ask themselves why not pay for ESO Plus. I don't see how that could be a terrible scenario for ZOS, we get 1500 crowns/mo, and if they were to release a 2500 crown mount every month that would still entice ESO Plus members to buy things from the Crown Store.

It's not that I'm 100% for whats in the screen shot, or 100% against, especially with lack of clarification, I just think ZOS is not going to give this up as lightly as the crown store pots they just pulled. The only thing they've really confirmed is that there will be XP pots introduced, and they will be available in the Crown Store (originally in-game was mentioned).

Therefore I really don't think that if they are going to listen to these concerns, that they will pick "No" or "Yes" to XP pots outright. There really has to be a median ground of some sort that should be pushed for rather than screaming "No!", as much as I get the frustration behind ESO possibly becoming a P2W scenario.

Gorthax

Varicite wrote: »

angel59 wrote: »

PKMN12 wrote: »

yup, and those same people who are playing much more than you are ALSO using those potions, keeping the gap not only intact, but increasing the gap because not every players wants to spend money on a game calling itself B2P

So what is your point? They will hit a wall then come back to the forum whining about the lack of hard content. Meanwhile, most of us will continue paying and plugging our way to cap. My ego does not deflate because someone gets ahead of me in a video game. If that were so, I would have been long gone after the exploiters zoomed to max level.

No, the only problem I see in this thread are people being afraid that someone gets xp by not doing exactly what you do. So what happens if someone has more cp than you? Where is the issue? What do we win?

I do hope they put this exp potion in. It will help me keep up with the majority. I dont realky care about the race to end crowd.

Your post seems all over the place. You don't care about getting to the end, but you need to get there faster. You call people who did it faster than you "exploiters", but if you're doing it faster than others, that's totally cool.

As to "what happens if someone has more cp than you?", every competitive arena of this game is based on performance. Trials has leaderboards. PvP has leaderboards and Emperorship. More CP gives you a huge advantage when trying to make it onto those leaderboards, that's simple fact.

PS) Console players will not be playing w/ PC players. So no, console players will not need to use these to "catch up" to anyone, they are all starting fresh.

@Varicite not true as I will be bringing my guy to ps4 lol he will have a HUGE advantage over everyone who just started on the system, and those of us who did copy over will be gods :P

Sallington

bg22 wrote: »

Bouvin wrote: »

Lionxoft wrote: »

Screenshot from the game. Discuss.



ZOS, can we get a confirmation or further details?

Thanks in advance.

If this isn't pay to win I don't know what is.

How is this pay to win? It offers zero advantage to players other than leveling faster. It does not give you VR15, or some other stat boost, so explain...

$ = XP
XP = Champion points
Champion points = passive stat boosts
passive stat boosts = stronger toons

therefor $ = stronger toons

phreatophile

DDuke wrote: »

Dazin93 wrote: »

those for the boosts, such as myself, would rather invest more money and less time into the game as we find our time more valuable.

Dazin93 wrote: »

There always is, and it's about my game experience not somebody else's.

The sheer arrogance of these statements... so basically you want to tell us how much better you are, because $$$.

Newsflash: your time isn't any more valuable than mine, or the time of the person next to me.

Learn to live with it.

Newsflash: you don't know if that's true. He could be responsible for employing a few dozen or few hundred people and by any objective measure his time is worth a lot, or he could also be on the dole sitting in his pajamas at 11AM being supported with money taken by force from his neighbors, in which case his time is less than worthless.

Everybody's time is not of equal value no matter how nice it might feel to think it is.

If that potion cuts an hour of time out of the Champ grind for $2, anybody could make more than $2 in an hour, and somebody capable of a lot more, who's time is therefore worth a lot more can earn a lot more. Time is money, but on a sliding scale. If you have far more of one than the other you will value the one that's scarce more than the one that's plentiful. Funny reading an incredibly arrogant statement about somebody else's 'arrogance'.

/rant

Besides, once again, it's not that big of a boost. In reality if these things cost more than $1, why bother.

Inspiration makes a 400XP kill give 1600XP because it's a 400% increase with a 24hr cooldown
XP pot makes a 400XP kill give 600XP because it's only a 50% increase with a 2hour cooldown

The two hour cooldown means w/100% possible uptime, which would be foolish, it's a 25% XP boost.

XP potions are not nearly as big a deal as is being made of them.

To read some of you the XP pot is one of the four horsemen of the apocalypse.

Varicite

Gorthax wrote: »

Varicite wrote: »

angel59 wrote: »

PKMN12 wrote: »

yup, and those same people who are playing much more than you are ALSO using those potions, keeping the gap not only intact, but increasing the gap because not every players wants to spend money on a game calling itself B2P

So what is your point? They will hit a wall then come back to the forum whining about the lack of hard content. Meanwhile, most of us will continue paying and plugging our way to cap. My ego does not deflate because someone gets ahead of me in a video game. If that were so, I would have been long gone after the exploiters zoomed to max level.

No, the only problem I see in this thread are people being afraid that someone gets xp by not doing exactly what you do. So what happens if someone has more cp than you? Where is the issue? What do we win?

I do hope they put this exp potion in. It will help me keep up with the majority. I dont realky care about the race to end crowd.

Your post seems all over the place. You don't care about getting to the end, but you need to get there faster. You call people who did it faster than you "exploiters", but if you're doing it faster than others, that's totally cool.

As to "what happens if someone has more cp than you?", every competitive arena of this game is based on performance. Trials has leaderboards. PvP has leaderboards and Emperorship. More CP gives you a huge advantage when trying to make it onto those leaderboards, that's simple fact.

PS) Console players will not be playing w/ PC players. So no, console players will not need to use these to "catch up" to anyone, they are all starting fresh.

@Varicite not true as I will be bringing my guy to ps4 lol he will have a HUGE advantage over everyone who just started on the system, and those of us who did copy over will be gods :P

Ah yes, I forgot that they are allowing people to copy over their characters from PC. I stand corrected. : )

eventide03b14a_ESO

Flynch wrote: »

Come on guys - it's getting a bit daft now.

Anyone who bought the Imperial edition already had a much greater advantage than these pots will ever offer, and that was a year ago.

How exactly? The Ring of Mara? That was only a 10% increase, required both you and another person, that you were bound to, to be wearing it at the same time and took up a slot for any ring that would have actually been beneficial.

nicholaspingasb16_ESO wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

EXP boost pots are not p2w they are convenience items for people who don't have 6 hours a day to play ESO. Time can have price on it.

It's a video game, it shouldn't be designed to be as grindy and long as possible to make us buy things.

LMFAO! Is this your first MMO?

Gorthax

bg22 wrote: »

Bouvin wrote: »

Lionxoft wrote: »

Screenshot from the game. Discuss.



ZOS, can we get a confirmation or further details?

Thanks in advance.

If this isn't pay to win I don't know what is.

How is this pay to win? It offers zero advantage to players other than leveling faster. It does not give you VR15, or some other stat boost, so explain...

bg22 wrote: »

cote-bmsb16_ESO wrote: »

Damn, 50%? Well, I did spend a lot of time on my first two v14s. I'd probably use it to get my other characters up to speed. Still though, it looks like P2W.

How's it pay to win? Other than leveling you to VR14 (which everyone can do without paying), what does it do that gives you an advantage?

@bg22 here is your answer:

This is the advantage just 30 points over someone else gives you:

75-105 CPs (40%) difference:
0.3% Armour
1.3% Spell Resistance
2.1% Less Critical Strike Damage taken
0.4% Less DOT Damage taken
0.5% Less Poison, Diseaes & Magic Damage taken
0.5% Less Flame, Frost & Shock Damage taken
1.5% Stamina Recovery
-1.3% Stamina costs
+2.1% Physical Damage
+2.1% Physical Critical Strike Damage.

+12% Critical Strike chance

And it only gets worse & worse..

Lets not forget the health stamina and magicka points you get for each point you put into the tree associated with the stat :P but no, dont worry. Using xp potions to get a boost to gaining cp is not pay to win *rolls eyes*