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Sorcerer Feedback for Eric Wrobel and the Combat Team
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But if you are asking me if the Sorc is on par, absolutely.
At what? At what role are sorcs either the best- or second-best suited?
EDIT: Obviously, DK's and Templars have the best class tools for tanking and healing, respectively. So this is a mostly rhetorical question. If you look at typical trials group composition, it's entirely rhetorical
its easy you have classes best suited for
DKs: tank/dps
templars: heal/tank [dps got significantly increased in 1.6]
NBs: DPs/heal
and you have sorce for as much toggles as possible on your QB.spelling and grammar errors are free to be abused
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✭✭✭✭✭Costismaros wrote: »
There is none class skill that sustain damage. Every class in this game sustain with weapon abilities. I dont understand why Sorc are different than others ?
Interesting, but ridicolous statement. How about lava whip, biting jabs, all the hard hiting Nightblade abilities ? Only to name one of each class
Each class besides Sorcerer has a hard hiting instant ability, even more than only one. No Templar, no DK and no NB must rely on weapon abilities to be extremely strong. Sorcerer is the only class, that is forced to use weapon ablities, because it has no good class abilities to deal fast damage.
Other classes can use them as well, but don't rely on weapon abilities. The oposite is the case: They are better of without weapons (from what I can see at least)
Rofl, If we're talking Live right now...None of those abilities are used over Rapid Strikes/Focused Aim/Crushing Shock.
if we're talking PTS, Lava Whip is complete ass for sustain... Biting Jabs might be able to keep up with Rapid Strikes or Wrecking Blow, but doubtful... and Nightblades pretty much use the same thing (they won't use Surprise Attack)https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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✭✭✭✭✭Holycannoli wrote: »
Apparently you would of been fine with just Destruction staff and spamming Crushing Shock and nothing else...Which any class could do.
Right now all I see is whining that a low cast ranged nuke is some how hard to pull off...https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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Aimelin✭✭✭Here are some ability ideas:
Surge: Make this a magicka-based version of momentum. RNG based on crits is not reliable.
Skill Description: Focus lightning to gain Major Sorcery for 30 seconds. Also heals X amount every 2 seconds for the duration.
Morphs
Power Surge: The ability now applies the Major Brutality and Major Sorcery buffs.
Rejuvenating Surge: Heals for X amount when the effect ends. The final heal is increased based on the length of the time that Surge has been active. Press ability again to instantly use the heal and refresh the duration.
New Ability
Spell Strike: Sorcs need an instant/reliable damage ability.
Skill Description: Conjure a bound weapon, instantly striking a single target for X amount of magic damage. (6 meter range)
Morphs
Lightning Strike: This ability now deals lightning damage and applies minor defile to the target for 6 seconds. (8 meter range)
Hardened Strike: This this ability is now stamina-based and applies minor fracture to the target for 6 seconds. (5 meter range)
i don't think any sorc wants a damn 6meter ranged "dps" skill .... even 8 meter range in that morph, i'd rather cripple myself and stay at 28m range with destructive reach then ...
I still don't understand why people think lightning splash is going to become viable, increasing the duration is not a fix, not for pve, not for pvp. you can increase the dmg even by 100% it's still not going to be viable, caus on pts right now with 50 points in magicka, full LA, full 3600 cp's, food buff and surge up the skill does a whopping 730 give or take dmg per .5 seconds ... that's not even going to tickle anyone ....Holycannoli wrote: »
eh, "playing the way you want" "promise" and then forcing us to use 3-4 toggles to get "pets" .... yea sure .... i guess
and bringing up the entire "melee vs ranged" bs is irrelevant, a DK doesn't give a damn if you're in his face or not, LA, MA or HA, he's just gonna talon, breath some flames on you (not even that most of the times) spam 10 whips and 15 dragon bloods, if hes low on resources (NO WAIT, BATTLE ROAR PASSIVE) he's just gonna pop an ult and is back at roughly 100% at all resources
but you can bring up the "oh well DKs are like ment to be tanks" "templars tanks and healers" .... this game right now is NOT optimized for the "holy trinity" of MMO's becaus of their whole view of "play the way you want" so YOU cannot bring that argument in here, but it is, IMO, the main reason this game is so unbalanced right now, and its obviously becoming clear the devs don't even know how to handle it anymore.
and they know perfectly well that skills like encase, rune cage, dark exchange, lightning splash, bound armor isn't even used, and then im not even mentioning the useless and weak destruction staff spells .....
on PTS right now, with above mentioned setup, wall of elements .... 350 dmg per 0.5 seconds .... tafak? read that again please ... --350-- DMG ......................
No ones using elemental weakness either ....
but wait, it just came to me, maybe thats why they added the jester costume to the cash shop, so all sorcs can get that while we try to tickle & laugh our enemies to deathEdited by Aimelin on February 16, 2015 2:45AM4 -
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✭xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »Holycannoli wrote: »
Right now all I see is whining that a low cast ranged nuke is some how hard to pull off...
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✭✭✭✭✭xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »Holycannoli wrote: »
Right now all I see is whining that a low cast ranged nuke is some how hard to pull off...
Says the Dragon knight...
Yes, says the Dragon Knight who's been a bow using DK for a better part of the games life... You know..that weapon with a low cast ranged "nuke" that doesn't have the aid of a teleport to create distance between my target and myself.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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Aimelin✭✭✭xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »Holycannoli wrote: »
Right now all I see is whining that a low cast ranged nuke is some how hard to pull off...
Says the Dragon knight...
Yes, says the Dragon Knight who's been a bow using DK for a better part of the games life... You know..that weapon with a low cast ranged "nuke" that doesn't have the aid of a teleport to create distance between my target and myself.
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✭✭✭✭✭xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »Holycannoli wrote: »
Right now all I see is whining that a low cast ranged nuke is some how hard to pull off...
Says the Dragon knight...
Yes, says the Dragon Knight who's been a bow using DK for a better part of the games life... You know..that weapon with a low cast ranged "nuke" that doesn't have the aid of a teleport to create distance between my target and myself.
why are DKs even posting in a sorc thread
Because a bunch of Sorcs are whining about how they're underpowered because they can't compete with the likes of Lava Whip for Sustained damage..
Which in itself is pretty hilarious.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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Jahosefat✭✭✭✭xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »Holycannoli wrote: »
Right now all I see is whining that a low cast ranged nuke is some how hard to pull off...
Says the Dragon knight...
Yes, says the Dragon Knight who's been a bow using DK for a better part of the games life... You know..that weapon with a low cast ranged "nuke" that doesn't have the aid of a teleport to create distance between my target and myself.
I think this is what is called "de-railing" a thread. But I will respond: if I had an infinite reflect that cost mag on live I wouldn't worry about casting anything either
. Thank you for your input. Joeshock- AD NA AB Thorn Chill Sorc New Eden Low Sec Roamer
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✭xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »Holycannoli wrote: »
Right now all I see is whining that a low cast ranged nuke is some how hard to pull off...
Says the Dragon knight...
Yes, says the Dragon Knight who's been a bow using DK for a better part of the games life... You know..that weapon with a low cast ranged "nuke" that doesn't have the aid of a teleport to create distance between my target and myself.
Yes. Says the ranged tank who reflects all incoming range attacks and laughs at at the idea of ever having to port anywhere with his amazing melee cc/synergies. All the while spamming a skill that is not reflected or absorbed by: eclipse, defensive posture, bol. The same skill that comes with one of the strongest debuffs in game. The same skill that hits for 75% of hp in pts.
(Read in Bud Light Real Men of Genius voice)
Here's to you "Mr. Auto-Relfect Ranged Nuke Tank God." Your ability to enjoy the strongest class in game is an inspiration to all us dirty sorcs.Edited by Vis on February 16, 2015 3:47AMv14 Sorc Vae Exillis
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✭✭✭✭✭xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »Holycannoli wrote: »
Right now all I see is whining that a low cast ranged nuke is some how hard to pull off...
Says the Dragon knight...
Yes, says the Dragon Knight who's been a bow using DK for a better part of the games life... You know..that weapon with a low cast ranged "nuke" that doesn't have the aid of a teleport to create distance between my target and myself.
I think this is what is called "de-railing" a thread. But I will respond: if I had an infinite reflect that cost mag on live I wouldn't worry about casting anything either. Thank you for your input.
You mean that Reflect that can be countered by any sorc equipping a 1hd/shield?
Don't get me wrong, Reflective Scale is very overpowered, and it deserves a nerf..But pretending that casting CS is hard to get off is silly. Its no harder to get off then Lethal Arrow, and Lethal Arrow is a joke to get off.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
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✭xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »Holycannoli wrote: »
Right now all I see is whining that a low cast ranged nuke is some how hard to pull off...
Says the Dragon knight...
Yes, says the Dragon Knight who's been a bow using DK for a better part of the games life... You know..that weapon with a low cast ranged "nuke" that doesn't have the aid of a teleport to create distance between my target and myself.
I think this is what is called "de-railing" a thread. But I will respond: if I had an infinite reflect that cost mag on live I wouldn't worry about casting anything either. Thank you for your input.
You mean that Reflect that can be countered by any sorc equipping a 1hd/shield?
Because every magicka sorc should have a stamina weapon and spend tons of stamina with his magicka to fire off his class defining attack, all while timing like a pro. Which wouldn't work if spamming snipe like you. As a sorc, we chose to double our costs to get less dps than other classes. Why? Because screw ezmode I guess.
(Read in Bud Light Real Men of Genius Voice)
Hats off to you again "Mr. OMG, Why Won't The Dirty Sorc Masses Just Build Entirely Around Me And Still Be Cool With Losing" guy. Your aloft attitude and two button spam while calling others skilless is what keeps the world turning.Edited by Vis on February 16, 2015 3:48AMv14 Sorc Vae Exillis
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✭✭✭✭✭xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »Holycannoli wrote: »
Right now all I see is whining that a low cast ranged nuke is some how hard to pull off...
Says the Dragon knight...
Yes, says the Dragon Knight who's been a bow using DK for a better part of the games life... You know..that weapon with a low cast ranged "nuke" that doesn't have the aid of a teleport to create distance between my target and myself.
I think this is what is called "de-railing" a thread. But I will respond: if I had an infinite reflect that cost mag on live I wouldn't worry about casting anything either. Thank you for your input.
You mean that Reflect that can be countered by any sorc equipping a 1hd/shield?
Because every magicka sorc should have a stamina weapon and spend tons of stamina with his magicka to fire off his class defining attack, all while timing like a pro. Which wouldn't work if spamming snipe like you. As a sorc, we chose to double our costs to get less dps than other classes. Why? Because screw ezmode I guess.
(Read in Bud Light Real Men of Genius Voice)
Hats off to you again "Mr. OMG, Why Won't The Dirty Sorc Masses Just Build Entirely Around Me And Still Be Cool With Losing" guy. Your aloft attitude and two button spam while calling others skilless is what keeps the world turning.
I equip multiple Magicka based abilities with my Stamina DK to do exactly that, I don't whine and complain about it. Also Defensive Stance is incredibly cheap stamina wise, way less then the cost of Magicka of Reflective Scales for a Stamina Build. Also timing like a Pro? You realize Defensive Stance lasts like 30 seconds right? there is no timing required with it... I mean bloody hell, I slot Reflective Scales just to counter other DKs with it, I don't cry because i've had to put it on my bar.
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Xeniph✭✭✭✭✭xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »Holycannoli wrote: »
Right now all I see is whining that a low cast ranged nuke is some how hard to pull off...
Says the Dragon knight...
Yes, says the Dragon Knight who's been a bow using DK for a better part of the games life... You know..that weapon with a low cast ranged "nuke" that doesn't have the aid of a teleport to create distance between my target and myself.
I think this is what is called "de-railing" a thread. But I will respond: if I had an infinite reflect that cost mag on live I wouldn't worry about casting anything either. Thank you for your input.
You mean that Reflect that can be countered by any sorc equipping a 1hd/shield?
Because every magicka sorc should have a stamina weapon and spend tons of stamina with his magicka to fire off his class defining attack, all while timing like a pro. Which wouldn't work if spamming snipe like you. As a sorc, we chose to double our costs to get less dps than other classes. Why? Because screw ezmode I guess.
(Read in Bud Light Real Men of Genius Voice)
Hats off to you again "Mr. OMG, Why Won't The Dirty Sorc Masses Just Build Entirely Around Me And Still Be Cool With Losing" guy. Your aloft attitude and two button spam while calling others skilless is what keeps the world turning.
I equip multiple Magicka based abilities with my Stamina DK to do exactly that, I don't whine and complain about it. Also Defensive Stance is incredibly cheap stamina wise, way less then the cost of Magicka of Reflective Scales for a Stamina Build. Also timing like a Pro? You realize Defensive Stance lasts like 30 seconds right? there is no timing required with it... I mean bloody hell, I slot Reflective Scales just to counter other DKs with it, I don't cry because i've had to put it on my bar.
You may not like how he is saying it. But he has a valid point. Hell I run S/B and resto on my sorc in pvp. It's just too easy and too good.
Try it, and never eat another one of your own CS's again.Edited by Xeniph on February 16, 2015 4:49AMHere since Beta.
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✭✭xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »Holycannoli wrote: »
Right now all I see is whining that a low cast ranged nuke is some how hard to pull off...
Says the Dragon knight...
Yes, says the Dragon Knight who's been a bow using DK for a better part of the games life... You know..that weapon with a low cast ranged "nuke" that doesn't have the aid of a teleport to create distance between my target and myself.
I think this is what is called "de-railing" a thread. But I will respond: if I had an infinite reflect that cost mag on live I wouldn't worry about casting anything either. Thank you for your input.
You mean that Reflect that can be countered by any sorc equipping a 1hd/shield?
Don't get me wrong, Reflective Scale is very overpowered, and it deserves a nerf..But pretending that casting CS is hard to get off is silly. Its no harder to get off then Lethal Arrow, and Lethal Arrow is a joke to get off.
A sorc can interrupt that Lethal Arrow by a DK if he is using Destro/Shield as his weapons, essentially giving up his healing.xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »Holycannoli wrote: »
Right now all I see is whining that a low cast ranged nuke is some how hard to pull off...
Says the Dragon knight...
Yes, says the Dragon Knight who's been a bow using DK for a better part of the games life... You know..that weapon with a low cast ranged "nuke" that doesn't have the aid of a teleport to create distance between my target and myself.
I think this is what is called "de-railing" a thread. But I will respond: if I had an infinite reflect that cost mag on live I wouldn't worry about casting anything either. Thank you for your input.
You mean that Reflect that can be countered by any sorc equipping a 1hd/shield?
Because every magicka sorc should have a stamina weapon and spend tons of stamina with his magicka to fire off his class defining attack, all while timing like a pro. Which wouldn't work if spamming snipe like you. As a sorc, we chose to double our costs to get less dps than other classes. Why? Because screw ezmode I guess.
(Read in Bud Light Real Men of Genius Voice)
Hats off to you again "Mr. OMG, Why Won't The Dirty Sorc Masses Just Build Entirely Around Me And Still Be Cool With Losing" guy. Your aloft attitude and two button spam while calling others skilless is what keeps the world turning.
I equip multiple Magicka based abilities with my Stamina DK to do exactly that, I don't whine and complain about it. Also Defensive Stance is incredibly cheap stamina wise, way less then the cost of Magicka of Reflective Scales for a Stamina Build. Also timing like a Pro? You realize Defensive Stance lasts like 30 seconds right? there is no timing required with it... I mean bloody hell, I slot Reflective Scales just to counter other DKs with it, I don't cry because i've had to put it on my bar.
Just that Defensive Stance is being countered by a light attack and costs quite a lot of stamina for a magicka sorc. If you don't time it correctly a destro sorc is literally gonna crush you unless you use BoL, wich makes both Sorcerers unabe to kill each other.DAGON - ALTADOON - CHIM - GHARTOK
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From the 1.6 patch notes
Lightning Splash- Increased the duration of Lightning Splash to 4 seconds.
- Reduced the Synergy range for this ability. Activating the Synergy no longer removes lightning.
- The Synergy damage now scales off of stamina/power.
- Fixed an issue that allowed the synergy to be used repeatedly if no enemies were nearby.
- Liquid Lightning (morph): Increased the bonus initial damage to 94%, and will increase by an additional 2% with each rank.
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Are you lol-farming or what?xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »But pretending that casting CS is hard to get off is silly. Its no harder to get off then Lethal Arrow, and Lethal Arrow is a joke to get off.
DK: scales -> snipe -> snipe -> scales -> hue. Only scales can reflect snipes, and yours will always counter reflect. Of course lethal arrow is a joke to get off like that, you don't have to think at about risk/reward.
Sorc: reflect -> shard -> reflect -> shard -> wait a sec...
More like: reflect -> shard -> enemy light staff atk -> shard still casting animation -> enemy crushy shock -> owie
How does sorc stop DK from sniping?
DK: scales -> snipe
Sorc: crushy sho... oh wait
DK: scales -> snipe
Sorc: crystal shar... oh wait
DK: scales -> snipe
Sorc: reflect -> pray you have shard proc rdy -> shard travel time... oh wait
Yeah, shards is really easy to get off if I don't mind having it reflected back into my face all the time. The above is why caster sorc will just blinky blink away in that situation, unless the DK is a baddie.
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✭Teargrants wrote: »
Are you lol-farming or what?xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »But pretending that casting CS is hard to get off is silly. Its no harder to get off then Lethal Arrow, and Lethal Arrow is a joke to get off.
DK: scales -> snipe -> snipe -> scales -> hue. Only scales can reflect snipes, and yours will always counter reflect. Of course lethal arrow is a joke to get off like that, you don't have to think at about risk/reward.
Sorc: reflect -> shard -> reflect -> shard -> wait a sec...
More like: reflect -> shard -> enemy light staff atk -> shard still casting animation -> enemy crushy shock -> owie
How does sorc stop DK from sniping?
DK: scales -> snipe
Sorc: crushy sho... oh wait
DK: scales -> snipe
Sorc: crystal shar... oh wait
DK: scales -> snipe
Sorc: reflect -> pray you have shard proc rdy -> shard travel time... oh wait
Yeah, shards is really easy to get off if I don't mind having it reflected back into my face all the time. The above is why caster sorc will just blinky blink away in that situation, unless the DK is a baddie.
baddie is not enough he must be a complete moron.
atleast a change to shields give us a reason to insist on fixing BE traveling range to be actually ground related and not beeline being messed by any kind of hight change and on top be atlest 30m.
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✭✭I thought I'd post this here for the benefit of my loyal sorc brethren in these dark times(with PVP in mind):
Do not cling too tightly to your robes and staffs fellow sorcs, for a new oasis has risen from the desert we wander; an oasis full of direct damage, plentiful heals and boundless damage mitigation. This is the S&B/2H world filled with endless stamina pools and astronomical crits. In this world one not only has the power to smite his foe in 1 to 2 hits, he may also absorb a seemingly endless barrage that would undoubtedly crush any sorc propped up by magical bubbles. This land, once locked off to our kind has begun to flourish under the rains of 1.6, while our old oasis of magicka drowns in the flood of change. The only obstacle standing in our paths is the long road of champion points which may take some poor souls years to travel. So I say again sorcs, do not cling too tightly to your barren fields, take advantage of these new OP fields where one can roll dodge 20 time in a row while maintaining his ability to bolt escape 8 times consecutively while crushing his opponents with 20k crits and healing for 3000hp/s with the occasional 15k heal and nearly endless blocking with ones shield up. Why would one not drop thine robe and staff?
Sadly sorcerer seems to be the least effective class at stamina DPS and tanking, so I don't see much use in switching to 2H and S&B now.
I think that the 1.6 ranking will be somewhere around this in PVE endgame content:
Magicka DPS:
Dragonknight >= Templar >= Nightblade > Sorcerer
Stamina DPS:
Templar > Dragonknight >= Nightblade > Sorcerer
Healing:
Templar > Nightblade >> Sorcerer >> Dragonknight
Tanking:
Dragonknight > Templar > Nightblade >> Sorcerer
Rejoice! We're not the worst healers!
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XEVENEX✭✭✭✭I hope they're reading this thread today. I realize it's probably too late for any of this feedback to make it into 1.6.3, but it would be nice if they at least acknowledged it.5
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Jahosefat✭✭✭✭xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »Holycannoli wrote: »
Right now all I see is whining that a low cast ranged nuke is some how hard to pull off...
Says the Dragon knight...
Yes, says the Dragon Knight who's been a bow using DK for a better part of the games life... You know..that weapon with a low cast ranged "nuke" that doesn't have the aid of a teleport to create distance between my target and myself.
I think this is what is called "de-railing" a thread. But I will respond: if I had an infinite reflect that cost mag on live I wouldn't worry about casting anything either. Thank you for your input.
You mean that Reflect that can be countered by any sorc equipping a 1hd/shield?
Because every magicka sorc should have a stamina weapon and spend tons of stamina with his magicka to fire off his class defining attack, all while timing like a pro. Which wouldn't work if spamming snipe like you. As a sorc, we chose to double our costs to get less dps than other classes. Why? Because screw ezmode I guess.
(Read in Bud Light Real Men of Genius Voice)
Hats off to you again "Mr. OMG, Why Won't The Dirty Sorc Masses Just Build Entirely Around Me And Still Be Cool With Losing" guy. Your aloft attitude and two button spam while calling others skilless is what keeps the world turning.
I equip multiple Magicka based abilities with my Stamina DK to do exactly that, I don't whine and complain about it. Also Defensive Stance is incredibly cheap stamina wise, way less then the cost of Magicka of Reflective Scales for a Stamina Build. Also timing like a Pro? You realize Defensive Stance lasts like 30 seconds right? there is no timing required with it... I mean bloody hell, I slot Reflective Scales just to counter other DKs with it, I don't cry because i've had to put it on my bar.xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »Holycannoli wrote: »
Right now all I see is whining that a low cast ranged nuke is some how hard to pull off...
Says the Dragon knight...
Yes, says the Dragon Knight who's been a bow using DK for a better part of the games life... You know..that weapon with a low cast ranged "nuke" that doesn't have the aid of a teleport to create distance between my target and myself.
I think this is what is called "de-railing" a thread. But I will respond: if I had an infinite reflect that cost mag on live I wouldn't worry about casting anything either. Thank you for your input.
You mean that Reflect that can be countered by any sorc equipping a 1hd/shield?
Because every magicka sorc should have a stamina weapon and spend tons of stamina with his magicka to fire off his class defining attack, all while timing like a pro. Which wouldn't work if spamming snipe like you. As a sorc, we chose to double our costs to get less dps than other classes. Why? Because screw ezmode I guess.
(Read in Bud Light Real Men of Genius Voice)
Hats off to you again "Mr. OMG, Why Won't The Dirty Sorc Masses Just Build Entirely Around Me And Still Be Cool With Losing" guy. Your aloft attitude and two button spam while calling others skilless is what keeps the world turning.
I equip multiple Magicka based abilities with my Stamina DK to do exactly that, I don't whine and complain about it. Also Defensive Stance is incredibly cheap stamina wise, way less then the cost of Magicka of Reflective Scales for a Stamina Build. Also timing like a Pro? You realize Defensive Stance lasts like 30 seconds right? there is no timing required with it... I mean bloody hell, I slot Reflective Scales just to counter other DKs with it, I don't cry because i've had to put it on my bar.
You may not like how he is saying it. But he has a valid point. Hell I run S/B and resto on my sorc in pvp. It's just too easy and too good.
Try it, and never eat another one of your own CS's again.
What I'm hearing from this.. "Come on sorcs you can choose between healing yourself, being able to reflect frags, or casting crushing shock, but you can't do all three! If you ever want to beat a DK the most OP class with the most OP ability in live, an infinite projectile reflect that is spammable, you are going to have to give up either heals or crushing shock. It is such an easy decision! Gimp yourself against DKs or gimp yourself against every sniping NB in the game! Or you can just go with no heals and be useless outside of a 1v1 or 1v2. I don't get why all the sorcs are complaining, it has been so easy on my DK!" Again, thanks for your input guys it helps Joeshock- AD NA AB Thorn Chill Sorc New Eden Low Sec Roamer
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Sacadon✭✭✭✭✭xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »Holycannoli wrote: »
Right now all I see is whining that a low cast ranged nuke is some how hard to pull off...
Says the Dragon knight...
Yes, says the Dragon Knight who's been a bow using DK for a better part of the games life... You know..that weapon with a low cast ranged "nuke" that doesn't have the aid of a teleport to create distance between my target and myself.
I think this is what is called "de-railing" a thread. But I will respond: if I had an infinite reflect that cost mag on live I wouldn't worry about casting anything either. Thank you for your input.
You mean that Reflect that can be countered by any sorc equipping a 1hd/shield?
Because every magicka sorc should have a stamina weapon and spend tons of stamina with his magicka to fire off his class defining attack, all while timing like a pro. Which wouldn't work if spamming snipe like you. As a sorc, we chose to double our costs to get less dps than other classes. Why? Because screw ezmode I guess.
(Read in Bud Light Real Men of Genius Voice)
Hats off to you again "Mr. OMG, Why Won't The Dirty Sorc Masses Just Build Entirely Around Me And Still Be Cool With Losing" guy. Your aloft attitude and two button spam while calling others skilless is what keeps the world turning.
I equip multiple Magicka based abilities with my Stamina DK to do exactly that, I don't whine and complain about it. Also Defensive Stance is incredibly cheap stamina wise, way less then the cost of Magicka of Reflective Scales for a Stamina Build. Also timing like a Pro? You realize Defensive Stance lasts like 30 seconds right? there is no timing required with it... I mean bloody hell, I slot Reflective Scales just to counter other DKs with it, I don't cry because i've had to put it on my bar.xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »Holycannoli wrote: »
Right now all I see is whining that a low cast ranged nuke is some how hard to pull off...
Says the Dragon knight...
Yes, says the Dragon Knight who's been a bow using DK for a better part of the games life... You know..that weapon with a low cast ranged "nuke" that doesn't have the aid of a teleport to create distance between my target and myself.
I think this is what is called "de-railing" a thread. But I will respond: if I had an infinite reflect that cost mag on live I wouldn't worry about casting anything either. Thank you for your input.
You mean that Reflect that can be countered by any sorc equipping a 1hd/shield?
Because every magicka sorc should have a stamina weapon and spend tons of stamina with his magicka to fire off his class defining attack, all while timing like a pro. Which wouldn't work if spamming snipe like you. As a sorc, we chose to double our costs to get less dps than other classes. Why? Because screw ezmode I guess.
(Read in Bud Light Real Men of Genius Voice)
Hats off to you again "Mr. OMG, Why Won't The Dirty Sorc Masses Just Build Entirely Around Me And Still Be Cool With Losing" guy. Your aloft attitude and two button spam while calling others skilless is what keeps the world turning.
I equip multiple Magicka based abilities with my Stamina DK to do exactly that, I don't whine and complain about it. Also Defensive Stance is incredibly cheap stamina wise, way less then the cost of Magicka of Reflective Scales for a Stamina Build. Also timing like a Pro? You realize Defensive Stance lasts like 30 seconds right? there is no timing required with it... I mean bloody hell, I slot Reflective Scales just to counter other DKs with it, I don't cry because i've had to put it on my bar.
You may not like how he is saying it. But he has a valid point. Hell I run S/B and resto on my sorc in pvp. It's just too easy and too good.
Try it, and never eat another one of your own CS's again.
What I'm hearing from this.. "Come on sorcs you can choose between healing yourself, being able to reflect frags, or casting crushing shock, but you can't do all three! If you ever want to beat a DK the most OP class with the most OP ability in live, an infinite projectile reflect that is spammable, you are going to have to give up either heals or crushing shock. It is such an easy decision! Gimp yourself against DKs or gimp yourself against every sniping NB in the game! Or you can just go with no heals and be useless outside of a 1v1 or 1v2. I don't get why all the sorcs are complaining, it has been so easy on my DK!" Again, thanks for your input guys it helps
DKs that have not played a sorc for any lengthy period and that sincerely believe sorcs have what they need, may actually have a L2P issue.12 -
XEVENEX✭✭✭✭xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »Holycannoli wrote: »
Right now all I see is whining that a low cast ranged nuke is some how hard to pull off...
Says the Dragon knight...
Yes, says the Dragon Knight who's been a bow using DK for a better part of the games life... You know..that weapon with a low cast ranged "nuke" that doesn't have the aid of a teleport to create distance between my target and myself.
I think this is what is called "de-railing" a thread. But I will respond: if I had an infinite reflect that cost mag on live I wouldn't worry about casting anything either. Thank you for your input.
You mean that Reflect that can be countered by any sorc equipping a 1hd/shield?
Because every magicka sorc should have a stamina weapon and spend tons of stamina with his magicka to fire off his class defining attack, all while timing like a pro. Which wouldn't work if spamming snipe like you. As a sorc, we chose to double our costs to get less dps than other classes. Why? Because screw ezmode I guess.
(Read in Bud Light Real Men of Genius Voice)
Hats off to you again "Mr. OMG, Why Won't The Dirty Sorc Masses Just Build Entirely Around Me And Still Be Cool With Losing" guy. Your aloft attitude and two button spam while calling others skilless is what keeps the world turning.
I equip multiple Magicka based abilities with my Stamina DK to do exactly that, I don't whine and complain about it. Also Defensive Stance is incredibly cheap stamina wise, way less then the cost of Magicka of Reflective Scales for a Stamina Build. Also timing like a Pro? You realize Defensive Stance lasts like 30 seconds right? there is no timing required with it... I mean bloody hell, I slot Reflective Scales just to counter other DKs with it, I don't cry because i've had to put it on my bar.xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »Holycannoli wrote: »
Right now all I see is whining that a low cast ranged nuke is some how hard to pull off...
Says the Dragon knight...
Yes, says the Dragon Knight who's been a bow using DK for a better part of the games life... You know..that weapon with a low cast ranged "nuke" that doesn't have the aid of a teleport to create distance between my target and myself.
I think this is what is called "de-railing" a thread. But I will respond: if I had an infinite reflect that cost mag on live I wouldn't worry about casting anything either. Thank you for your input.
You mean that Reflect that can be countered by any sorc equipping a 1hd/shield?
Because every magicka sorc should have a stamina weapon and spend tons of stamina with his magicka to fire off his class defining attack, all while timing like a pro. Which wouldn't work if spamming snipe like you. As a sorc, we chose to double our costs to get less dps than other classes. Why? Because screw ezmode I guess.
(Read in Bud Light Real Men of Genius Voice)
Hats off to you again "Mr. OMG, Why Won't The Dirty Sorc Masses Just Build Entirely Around Me And Still Be Cool With Losing" guy. Your aloft attitude and two button spam while calling others skilless is what keeps the world turning.
I equip multiple Magicka based abilities with my Stamina DK to do exactly that, I don't whine and complain about it. Also Defensive Stance is incredibly cheap stamina wise, way less then the cost of Magicka of Reflective Scales for a Stamina Build. Also timing like a Pro? You realize Defensive Stance lasts like 30 seconds right? there is no timing required with it... I mean bloody hell, I slot Reflective Scales just to counter other DKs with it, I don't cry because i've had to put it on my bar.
You may not like how he is saying it. But he has a valid point. Hell I run S/B and resto on my sorc in pvp. It's just too easy and too good.
Try it, and never eat another one of your own CS's again.
What I'm hearing from this.. "Come on sorcs you can choose between healing yourself, being able to reflect frags, or casting crushing shock, but you can't do all three! If you ever want to beat a DK the most OP class with the most OP ability in live, an infinite projectile reflect that is spammable, you are going to have to give up either heals or crushing shock. It is such an easy decision! Gimp yourself against DKs or gimp yourself against every sniping NB in the game! Or you can just go with no heals and be useless outside of a 1v1 or 1v2. I don't get why all the sorcs are complaining, it has been so easy on my DK!" Again, thanks for your input guys it helps
DKs that have not played a sorc for any lengthy period and that sincerely believe sorcs have what they need, may actually have a L2P issue.
They're so deeply dependent on scales that you can sit there and watch them flappy flap vs pure melee! It's sad. It's like really bro? Gotta flap dem wangs? Then they have the audacity to come in here and *** in our thread. You're basically immune to over half the abilities in the game, including ultimates. Not only are you immune but you actually REFLECT them. It's beyond stupid.Edited by XEVENEX on February 16, 2015 3:11PM7 -
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✭✭✭✭✭xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »Holycannoli wrote: »
Right now all I see is whining that a low cast ranged nuke is some how hard to pull off...
Says the Dragon knight...
Yes, says the Dragon Knight who's been a bow using DK for a better part of the games life... You know..that weapon with a low cast ranged "nuke" that doesn't have the aid of a teleport to create distance between my target and myself.
I think this is what is called "de-railing" a thread. But I will respond: if I had an infinite reflect that cost mag on live I wouldn't worry about casting anything either. Thank you for your input.
You mean that Reflect that can be countered by any sorc equipping a 1hd/shield?
Because every magicka sorc should have a stamina weapon and spend tons of stamina with his magicka to fire off his class defining attack, all while timing like a pro. Which wouldn't work if spamming snipe like you. As a sorc, we chose to double our costs to get less dps than other classes. Why? Because screw ezmode I guess.
(Read in Bud Light Real Men of Genius Voice)
Hats off to you again "Mr. OMG, Why Won't The Dirty Sorc Masses Just Build Entirely Around Me And Still Be Cool With Losing" guy. Your aloft attitude and two button spam while calling others skilless is what keeps the world turning.
I equip multiple Magicka based abilities with my Stamina DK to do exactly that, I don't whine and complain about it. Also Defensive Stance is incredibly cheap stamina wise, way less then the cost of Magicka of Reflective Scales for a Stamina Build. Also timing like a Pro? You realize Defensive Stance lasts like 30 seconds right? there is no timing required with it... I mean bloody hell, I slot Reflective Scales just to counter other DKs with it, I don't cry because i've had to put it on my bar.
Defensive stance is easily countered by any decent player with a staff light attack. There is no point in using it against a dk that has a resto staff equipped - all it will do is drain your stamina - unlike a dk that can double reflect for eternity in 1.5. You have no clue about sorc play and come telling ppl how they should become better as if nobody since the game went might have had the same "genius" ideas you come up with.
Also you don´t seem to realize that dk with their reflect are about the only reason to slot sword and board as a sorc? Oh and ofc the pest that bow users have become on live and will be in 1.6.
I´m keeping the comments about you being a bow wielding dk to myself at this point.<Noricum>
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✭✭✭✭I love how most of the non-Sorc answers to how to fix our F'd up Class Skills involves countering with a specific Weapon Skill.
"Your class skills aren't broken, just don't use class skills."
FFS.Just because you don't like the way something is doesn't necessarily make it wrong...
Earn it.
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Xeniph✭✭✭✭✭Merlin13KAGL wrote: »I love how most of the non-Sorc answers to how to fix our F'd up Class Skills involves countering with a specific Weapon Skill.
"Your class skills aren't broken, just don't use class skills."
FFS.
I love how some of the Sorcs, complain and just swear that their class is the only one who have issues dealing with certain mechanics.
If you honestly don't think other classes have the same "Rock/Paper/Scissors" meta to deal with, I don't know what to say.
And while I am at it, I'm going to mention that I do play a Sorc, and don't have most of the issues some folks on here are complaining about.
This really is all about "The grass is greener" on the other classes.
Fact is, Sorcs have an amazing took kit. While your playstyle may have been effected in 1.6. We have to tools to adjust.Here since Beta.
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