How Long Does it Take You to Get a Champion Point?

Tavore1138

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hi guys! For those who feel like the time it takes to gain a Champion Point is too slow, can you let us know exactly where you were playing (which dungeon, questing area, etc)? Thanks!

@ZOS_GinaBruno‌

So background - I am VR14 in live and most of my game time has been on that VR14 because I enjoy the character so my initial testing was to try and mimic what I would normally do on that character which amounts to - run around gathering materials and killing whatever I encounter on the way, dropping into a couple of delves for fun and provisioning bits, do crafting dailies and play some PvP. I did this in Eastmarch - and in over 2 enlightened hours got maybe 10% of the way to a CP.

Today I changed pace a bit and did the main quest from start through to Chapter 3.5 - that plus travel encounters, exploration finds plus a couple of random dolmens got me the rest of the way.

My concern is that this is fine if you have a barrel full of quests left to do but not so good if you just want to 'play'.

DeathDealer19

45 min in craglorn? doing what if I might ask? because I was not finding this at all.

DeathDealer19

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hi guys! For those who feel like the time it takes to gain a Champion Point is too slow, can you let us know exactly where you were playing (which dungeon, questing area, etc)? Thanks!

@ZOS_GinaBruno‌

So background - I am VR14 in live and most of my game time has been on that VR14 because I enjoy the character so my initial testing was to try and mimic what I would normally do on that character which amounts to - run around gathering materials and killing whatever I encounter on the way, dropping into a couple of delves for fun and provisioning bits, do crafting dailies and play some PvP. I did this in Eastmarch - and in over 2 enlightened hours got maybe 10% of the way to a CP.

Today I changed pace a bit and did the main quest from start through to Chapter 3.5 - that plus travel encounters, exploration finds plus a couple of random dolmens got me the rest of the way.

My concern is that this is fine if you have a barrel full of quests left to do but not so good if you just want to 'play'.

A lot of people like myself don't have a barrel full of quests left to do. I have about half a zone left of cadwells gold and that's it. What do I do when that's done? and even questing, I spent over 2 hours questing and barely got 200k XP which is half of just 1 CP.

DeathDealer19

Some background of me.

I have 4 VR14s on live and have quested 3 of them all the way to VR14. 1 of them was grinded. I am very familiar with questing/grinding/XP gain. Ive completed every available piece of content in the game short of Hard Mode Sanctum Ophidia.

I feel like I have a pretty good grasp of how to gain xp at a decent rate. And we were told CP would be about an hour of so of "normal" gameplay. Unless someone has some super secret grind spot that I am unaware of, I don't see 400k XP in one hour being possible. And "grinding" is not supposed to be normal gameplay. ZOS has all but nerfed every single grind in the game. Which I agree with by the way.

Lykurgis

DeathDealer19 wrote: »

A lot of people like myself don't have a barrel full of quests left to do. I have about half a zone left of cadwells gold and that's it. What do I do when that's done? and even questing, I spent over 2 hours questing and barely got 200k XP which is half of just 1 CP.

Same story with me basically. I have 2 V14s, and a V9. 1 V14 have done all the PvE quests, the other 2 everything up to and including Cadwells silver. The quests that are left (all the side-quests) grant me like 4990XP since all the main story quests are done...that means at that rate its 1 Champ level every 80 quests?

Going to run out of quests in a week and get maybe 2 Champ levels.

Jando

I was also questing in Bangkorai as a v14. Ran 1 quest line ( i forget which one), but it involved going down into a small delve, and then ultimately siding with one of two sisters, one of which turned into a spider daedra. I also did about half of a Banished Cells (scaled to 12) with a 3-man group. Some other random mob killing in Bangkorai. All of this while enlightened didn't get me half a CP.

DeathDealer19

Lykurgis wrote: »

DeathDealer19 wrote: »

A lot of people like myself don't have a barrel full of quests left to do. I have about half a zone left of cadwells gold and that's it. What do I do when that's done? and even questing, I spent over 2 hours questing and barely got 200k XP which is half of just 1 CP.

Same story with me basically. I have 2 V14s, and a V9. 1 V14 have done all the PvE quests, the other 2 everything up to and including Cadwells silver. The quests that are left (all the side-quests) grant me like 4990XP since all the main story quests are done...that means at that rate its 1 Champ level every 80 quests?

Going to run out of quests in a week and get maybe 2 Champ levels.

Exactly my point

Tavore1138

I think the problem lies in this question: Define 'normal' gameplay?

It is normal for me to spend a couple of hours in a lower level area gathering crafting stuff - Likely XP = 0

It is normal for me to PvP for a couple of hours - Likely XP = maybe 50k?

A couple of nights a week a like to do trials - Likely XP = No idea?

I generally devote a few hours a weeks to roaming Eastmarch getting materials for writs and killing what I meet - Likely XP = maybe 5k per hour at most?

It is normal for me to do a couple of pledges a week - Likely XP = No clue?

The point is overall I am not going to be getting a CP in 1 hour or even 4 hours from 'normal play'.

BUT I spend a lot of time in game doing things - it just seems the things that I do are not considered to be 'playing'

P.S. Give me quests and I will do them, I love quests - but I did them all...

P.P.S. If CP is the be all of things to come you NEED to find ways to reward all sorts of play with XP towards them - even if that means you end up giving xp for refining ore or making potions because these are all legitimate play activities.

Syntse

Today findings... went in to PTS to my template char and about 150k CP exp on base. So started to grind some more of those skills up. About 30 mins, ding you gained CP. Ok enlightment was on at least some of the time. About 1 hour later, maybe 50mins or so, ding you gained CP.

BTW 310xp per mob.

DeathDealer19

well they of course mean "normal" things like questing, killing enemies, dungeons, delves, trials, anything that gives xp. sadly gathering crafting mats doesn't give xp unless you kill along the way. I don't expect to earn them standing on the rock in rawl selling my wares lol.

But the whole point here is that I literally sat down and quested my butt off for hours and didn't even come halfway to 1 CP. Ive tried everything including dungeons, delves, vr dungeons, questing, grinding, and its just too much. way too much XP needed.

Valnas

ae grinding w/ bats + bloodspawn build ... like old times ;D

Nazon_Katts

Ok, so it's basically what we've been preaching since the start. Buff quest, delve, dungeon and pvp xp to bring it up to par with mob grind xp.

BergisMacBride

Valnas wrote: »

Please buff cyrodil champion gain.

^^^What he said. Current PvP XP gains pale in comparison by a factor of 5-10 vs comparable time spent in PvE activities. You need to make it such that a player can choose to spend their entire time in Cyrodiil PvP'ing and gain CP at the same rate as a player participating in PvE activities. If PvP XP remains at its current meager levels compared to PvE, Cyrodiil will become a complete ghost town while folks grind up enough Champ levels to become competitive. Just as PvE players should not be forced into PvP, PvPers should not be forced into PvE grinding just to advance their skills and CPs.

Ysne58

I just started Cadwell's Gold. 2 1/2 hours and I'm about a 1/4 of the way through. Of course I'm a completionist so I start by exploring the coastline. Maybe I should start killing mudcrabs to get a little more exp. Also, Enlightenment was maxed the entire time because I'm earning exp so slowly.

Tavore1138

DeathDealer19 wrote: »

well they of course mean "normal" things like questing, killing enemies, dungeons, delves, trials, anything that gives xp. sadly gathering crafting mats doesn't give xp unless you kill along the way. I don't expect to earn them standing on the rock in rawl selling my wares lol.

But the whole point here is that I literally sat down and quested my butt off for hours and didn't even come halfway to 1 CP. Ive tried everything including dungeons, delves, vr dungeons, questing, grinding, and its just too much. way too much XP needed.

LOL - I know what you mean, although if the game is to be more of a living world vs. combat game then granting XP for non-combat activities would be an interesting way to approach it.

kaorunandrak

Either buff xp gain or lower the cost of a champion point to 100k per. 2 points per zone completion for people who still have quests to earn them is not bad, and grinding for people who don't have quests or any desire to roll new characters would at least be a bit easier. With out new 1-50 content or classes you cant expect people to level new characters just so they can have a character that can earn champion points easier especially when you have a system that requires 3067(?), I think that was the number you guys threw out, to max out. You already have us investing a ton of time in this you don't have to make the progression torturous.

Another way is you could have enlightenment be a by character basis rather then account and have it build by by 25% for every hour not playing that vet character so it would take 4 hours to earn a full "cp" worth of enlightenment and have it cap at 2 hours so 8 hours of not playing that character. This would reward guys with multiple vets and encourage creating more characters. Plus you still have to think a lot of these guys would still not have enough quests to pull away from the casual crowd.

Jando

If 1 Champion point = 400,000 xp and
1 Veteran rank = 1,000,000 xp
then normal progression from VR1 to 14 gives you approximately ...35 Champion points?

How can that be the intended rate of progression when there is almost no value to each Champion point?

Lykurgis

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

A couple of nights a week a like to do trials - Likely XP = No idea?

Cleared Hel Ra on the PTS with my V9 NB, quest reward was 11,257 XP.

Seems woefully low...

cschwingeb14_ESO

FYI, enlightened is a 4x buff. You get 4x the champ points per xp point. After accumulating a day's worth of enlightened, I gained 1.7 champ points in a couple of hours and still had enlightened.

In cyrodiil, doing the daily quests at one of the PvE quest hubs I got about 200k champ xp in ~45 minutes doing the 9 quests and killing some stuff related to the quests (5k XP per quest = 20k Champ xp per quest). I'm sure I could polish those quests off in a half hour once I get to know them...if there's no interference. Basically pure quest grinding.

Mob grinding in Craglorn is a pointless task. All mobs there have had their xp nerfed. Something like 143xp/kill

VR10 mobs out in the open give something like 340xp/kill. I ground those out in several places (Bankorai, since I'm AD the only place to find VR10s), and was able to get about 400k champ xp in an hour solo. However, this was using mob herding, multi-pack corner pulls and meteor. Assuming I could find a place with enough mobs for a duo, it would go a little faster, but not much. Kill time was not the issue, but rather time spent setting up/herding mobs

So it looks like quest grinding (until you run out of quests) and AE mob grinding can get you 1 champ point an hour...yay? No, not really yay. Grinding sucks balls.

I am very dissappointed that thieving grants no xp

McDoogs

DeathDealer19 wrote: »

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hi guys! For those who feel like the time it takes to gain a Champion Point is too slow, can you let us know exactly where you were playing (which dungeon, questing area, etc)? Thanks!

@ZOS_GinaBruno‌

So background - I am VR14 in live and most of my game time has been on that VR14 because I enjoy the character so my initial testing was to try and mimic what I would normally do on that character which amounts to - run around gathering materials and killing whatever I encounter on the way, dropping into a couple of delves for fun and provisioning bits, do crafting dailies and play some PvP. I did this in Eastmarch - and in over 2 enlightened hours got maybe 10% of the way to a CP.

Today I changed pace a bit and did the main quest from start through to Chapter 3.5 - that plus travel encounters, exploration finds plus a couple of random dolmens got me the rest of the way.

My concern is that this is fine if you have a barrel full of quests left to do but not so good if you just want to 'play'.

A lot of people like myself don't have a barrel full of quests left to do. I have about half a zone left of cadwells gold and that's it. What do I do when that's done? and even questing, I spent over 2 hours questing and barely got 200k XP which is half of just 1 CP.

I guess we are supposed to level alts just to be able to quest grind CPs in vet zones?

TheBull

Valnas wrote: »

Please buff cyrodil champion gain. Currently i made my first champ point in 45 mins spent in crag, and the second took about 5 hours of pvping.

What ever you do please keep it in line with questing. Thanks.

Bouvin

Welcome to Korean Grinding MMO F2P hell.

Francescolg

This are no good news given the 3600 CP total sum.. No good news at all but, knowing "them", it was to be expected :disagree:

DeathDealer19

Just did an AA run on the PTS. We got to the mage fight and wiped due to what im hoping is bugged mechanics. I received 1,143 XP for the entire run... Im guessing if we killed her the quest would have added at best 4k more xp. which is crap considering you need 400k XP for 1 CP. Its simple this needs to lowered. Im fully enlightened and happy to do all the quests I can but I don't want to be limited to waiting a whole day to get enlightenment and then go grind and herd mobs in zones that will become insanely over crowded once people find a good spot

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO

Each Cyrodiil quest yields around 6300 xp with kills and quest reward so each quest hub give around 58k. Spending and entire evening doing cyrodiil repeatables give you less than 300k. And that is if you can dodge gankers or random pvp groups.

There is no other soloable repeatable content in the game so this means solo playerd will have a horrible time with the champ system.

Sharee

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO wrote: »

Each Cyrodiil quest yields around 6300 xp with kills and quest reward so each quest hub give around 58k. Spending and entire evening doing cyrodiil repeatables give you less than 300k. And that is if you can dodge gankers or random pvp groups.

There is no other soloable repeatable content in the game so this means solo playerd will have a horrible time with the champ system.

So if you are enlightened, doing bruma and chorrol once will give a champion point.

Bashev

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

I think the problem lies in this question: Define 'normal' gameplay?

It is normal for me to spend a couple of hours in a lower level area gathering crafting stuff - Likely XP = 0

It is normal for me to PvP for a couple of hours - Likely XP = maybe 50k?

A couple of nights a week a like to do trials - Likely XP = No idea?

I generally devote a few hours a weeks to roaming Eastmarch getting materials for writs and killing what I meet - Likely XP = maybe 5k per hour at most?

It is normal for me to do a couple of pledges a week - Likely XP = No clue?

The point is overall I am not going to be getting a CP in 1 hour or even 4 hours from 'normal play'.

BUT I spend a lot of time in game doing things - it just seems the things that I do are not considered to be 'playing'

P.S. Give me quests and I will do them, I love quests - but I did them all...

P.P.S. If CP is the be all of things to come you NEED to find ways to reward all sorts of play with XP towards them - even if that means you end up giving xp for refining ore or making potions because these are all legitimate play activities.

This is described perfectly. I feel exactly the same way.

s7732425ub17_ESO

Did some testing at Spellscar. While being enlightened (I don't know how long this lasts for), you can grind 200k-400k exp per hour still. It's harder but definitely still doable.

prototypefb

best would be just add timer you get 1 cp per day per hour of any activity, as long as it is activity( no standing on the rock under the sun)
after initial hour passes you still can earn XP towards CP but with 50% diminishing returns and so on until reset on next day, start over again.

normal player would earn 1 cp a day(average), hardcore players would do 2 CP which should be capped to prevent bot activities or whatnot,

Sallington

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

I think the problem lies in this question: Define 'normal' gameplay?

It is normal for me to spend a couple of hours in a lower level area gathering crafting stuff - Likely XP = 0

It is normal for me to PvP for a couple of hours - Likely XP = maybe 50k?

A couple of nights a week a like to do trials - Likely XP = No idea?

I generally devote a few hours a weeks to roaming Eastmarch getting materials for writs and killing what I meet - Likely XP = maybe 5k per hour at most?

It is normal for me to do a couple of pledges a week - Likely XP = No clue?

The point is overall I am not going to be getting a CP in 1 hour or even 4 hours from 'normal play'.

BUT I spend a lot of time in game doing things - it just seems the things that I do are not considered to be 'playing'

P.S. Give me quests and I will do them, I love quests - but I did them all...

P.P.S. If CP is the be all of things to come you NEED to find ways to reward all sorts of play with XP towards them - even if that means you end up giving xp for refining ore or making potions because these are all legitimate play activities.

XP for crafting would make a lot of people very happy. Rewarding the social and crafting aspects of the game will work out well for everyone, and the longevity of the game.

CPs shouldn't just be one long, giant grind.