DK 1.6 Discussion

cazlonb16_ESO

rophez_ESO wrote: »

Not even a mention in the livestream for DK. Everyone still considers us OP, even on PTS?

Ever consider the possibility that it might be, ya know, true ? And it's not a coincidence that like at least half the players in Cyro are vamp DKs ?

rfennell_ESO

cazlonb16_ESO wrote: »

rophez_ESO wrote: »

Not even a mention in the livestream for DK. Everyone still considers us OP, even on PTS?

Ever consider the possibility that it might be, ya know, true ? And it's not a coincidence that like at least half the players in Cyro are vamp DKs ?

By the unlikeliest of probability all the "great players" just happened to roll dk and pick vampire.

Or perhaps the more likely scenario of dks are WAY too powerful and adding vampire to the mix of WAY too powerful = win.

Domander

Armitas wrote: »

I had thought corrosive armor would give spell penetration because armor now gives spell resist, and the wording is ignore 100% of the enemies armor.

You get 0% spell penetration with corrosive armor and I think that should be changed to 100% penetration spell or armor.

While testing I also noticed that my damage increased 43% after the target went under 42%. I have no idea why, I was not using any molten armaments. This test was against a resource guard.

100% enemy health - Light Attack = 504 Whip =1392
42% enemy health - Light Attack = 719 Whip = 1987

Does anyone know why? I only have S/B and DK skills slotted.

Those guards have an armor buff that they cast, maybe it wore off.

rophez_ESO

cazlonb16_ESO wrote: »

rophez_ESO wrote: »

Not even a mention in the livestream for DK. Everyone still considers us OP, even on PTS?

Ever consider the possibility that it might be, ya know, true ? And it's not a coincidence that like at least half the players in Cyro are vamp DKs ?

I'm not arguing about live. I'm talking about the state of DK in patch 1.6. Now 1.6.3 has dropped on PTS and DKs were hit with yet another nerf. Now we have another completely useless passive.

Panda244

rophez_ESO wrote: »

cazlonb16_ESO wrote: »

rophez_ESO wrote: »

Not even a mention in the livestream for DK. Everyone still considers us OP, even on PTS?

Ever consider the possibility that it might be, ya know, true ? And it's not a coincidence that like at least half the players in Cyro are vamp DKs ?

I'm not arguing about live. I'm talking about the state of DK in patch 1.6. Now 1.6.3 has dropped on PTS and DKs were hit with yet another nerf. Now we have another completely useless passive.

It's how games are balanced these days, if one class is blatantly OP, they're nerfed into the ground, the next class to become OP is nerfed into the ground, and eventually every class as been nerfed into the ground making the game somewhat harder but balancing everything. #MMOLogic

ArconSeptim

Yeah this nerf for mountain blessing is really going over the glass now...we dk players are not whiners like sorcs, but really this is going in bad way.

Panda244

ArconSeptim wrote: »

Yeah this nerf for mountain blessing is really going over the glass now...we dk players are not whiners like sorcs, but really this is going in bad way.

The change to the way that ultimate works was a stupid idea in general, generate 1 ultimate every six seconds? Really? Remove the passive and give us something worthwhile, remove every passive that grants people "ultimate" and make it useful.

They changed Ultimates because they want them to be Ultimate, fine. But as of right now Ultimates are 60-120s cooldown skills that you can walk out of, dodge, reflect, heal through, etc etc etc. They aren't ultimates, they're poop...

jcasini222ub17_ESO

For the life of me I cant figure out why mountains blessing was downgraded. It never seemed op. Maybe someone wiser could enlighten me. I have a feeling we are going to see alot more templars now, as the migration from dk begins. For some, certainly not this orc.

Yuke

Guys, just give up. Its useless to try and reason with people regarding DK changes. Best example is the Vamp-DK-QQ-Thread in the Alliance War Forum, dripping full of irony.

-> http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/152194/please-buff-vampire-dks#latest

Oughash

Yuke wrote: »

Guys, just give up. Its useless to try and reason with people regarding DK changes. Best example is the Vamp-DK-QQ-Thread in the Alliance War Forum, dripping full of irony.

-> http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/152194/please-buff-vampire-dks#latest

You going stam when 1.6 drops? Seems like the only way to go for DK. Haven't been able to test as well as I would have like since PTS was so messed up last week.

Yuke

Well, i was planning to test the stam 2h build last week on pts too. But it was impossible with the damage bug. So there is only theory crafting left right now but i think stam build is the way to go at the beginning.

I guess after farming 400-500 CPs it will be possible to play a magicka s/b build again but you first need some essential passives like the spell resists pierce and the block cost reduction.

Shadesofkin

jcasini222ub17_ESO wrote: »

For the life of me I cant figure out why mountains blessing was downgraded. It never seemed op. Maybe someone wiser could enlighten me. I have a feeling we are going to see alot more templars now, as the migration from dk begins. For some, certainly not this orc.

Yeah I don't really get it either. I can speculate and say it might have been because they don't want out of combat ultimate generation, but that's pure speculation.

Xsorus

I'm sticking with my usual DK Dot build i've been running, once I hit enough CPs i'll switch over to my 3500+ health regen build.

Panda244

Yuke wrote: »

Well, i was planning to test the stam 2h build last week on pts too. But it was impossible with the damage bug. So there is only theory crafting left right now but i think stam build is the way to go at the beginning.

I guess after farming 400-500 CPs it will be possible to play a magicka s/b build again but you first need some essential passives like the spell resists pierce and the block cost reduction.

"Farming" Since they broke every known valid grind in the game you can't really farm CP anymore... I suppose you could quest but that's not the same as grinding. Also, isn't 400-500 CP like.. a 2 month trip?

Yuke

Yeah, gonna be hell. But i wanna play a magicka DK again

jcasini222ub17_ESO

Just remember to stack as many xp boost options as you can. It may cut down on that 2 months.

Panda244

Yuke wrote: »

Yeah, gonna be hell. But i wanna play a magicka DK again

I'll make it work... 5 Set Seducer, 5 Set Warlock, 2 Set Engine Guardian.. My resources were relatively squared away on live, so I'll have to use these 70 CP smartly and try to work with what I got. Then finish quests on my DK and NB, Crassus stopped PvEing at lvl 28, he hasn't even been to Malabal Tor yet, N'tel still has all the DC vet zones to complete... So I'll have a lot of quests to "grind" CP for.

jcasini222ub17_ESO wrote: »

Just remember to stack as many xp boost options as you can. It may cut down on that 2 months.

If they cost gold sure, if I have to pay crowns to get them, then it'll be the monthly crowns, unless something useful comes out in the crown store I'm not giving a single dollar more to ZOS, they ruined my bat-swarm, talon spam, draw essence weave, flappity flap spam build. (Sarcasm )

Gargragrond

It's or duty to tank the nerfs like a champ so they don't hit the squishy people Anyway, what's the status of dk DOTs and shields? I read about shields going to be crittable & proccing some spell effects, but what about unstable/engulfing flame? Will they remain useless in pvp?

Night-claw

i give up what class you all rerolling? it sad that my main character since launch has been nerfed over and over and over and over and over again.

im planning on testing everything can on my dk but if i don't like it he done for DELETED

Armitas

I thought for sure that 6.3 would have done something to address ashcloud after all the feedback we gave. At this point I hope they just release it because it doesn't get any better for us, it just gets worse with every update, the nerfs never end. 1.6 pts doesn't feel like a game update, it feels like a burn in test to see just how much the system can handle before stuff begins to break.

They have killed ash cloud, and given us a molten weapon morph that the game can't even support. (with no in game buff tracking, we can't predict the current duration of igneous weapons). I just don't understand what they are thinking anymore.

Has anyone tested the new unblockable CC? If immunity is only granted after break free or durations end I am wondering if you can can use a CC that goes through block, which will drop the block, then go for a shield charge before the immunity is granted. That would pretty much break any tanking in PvP.

Gargragrond wrote: »

It's or duty to tank the nerfs like a champ so they don't hit the squishy people

I'm pretty sure those squishy people we are protecting are the ones QQing on a daily basis to get every skill we have nerfed. But it's our duty so we got to do it, even if they do stab us in the back at every opportunity.

Vanzen

What you think will be a good armor set for 1.6 ? PVP wise, for Dunmer DK going fire magicka.
I wont jump in the stam wagon, I hate 2H with all my heart. I ve tried it many times, I have all skills and morphs maxed, I just cant.
I even find the animations ridiculous. Never realised it looks like your holding and swinging a huge "D" ?
Well, so what kind of armor set ? This week am gonna try medium Whitestrake (think its the only way to survive ganking ans stealth attack) and heavy Willow's path. I ll keep 5 warlocks.

Maulkin

Imo, they are overnerfing DKs now. They have even hit skills and passives no-one else complained about like Cinder Storm, Igneous Weapons and Mountain's Blessing.

- I think Igneous needed a time reduction and that's about it. >1 min was pretty ridiculous, but 20"-25" would have been fine.
- Cinder Storm just needed a conversion to dodge now that missed chance has been removed from the game.
- I'm not sure what the issue was with Mountain's Blessing. It seemed fine to me.

The Stamina DK seems in decent shape but the Magicka DK needs a bit of love atm. Ardent Flame and Draconic Power are still very good, but the Earthen Heart tree has taken too many hits for my liking.

Yuke wrote: »

Guys, just give up. Its useless to try and reason with people regarding DK changes. Best example is the Vamp-DK-QQ-Thread in the Alliance War Forum, dripping full of irony.

-> http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/152194/please-buff-vampire-dks#latest

Well that is Live not PTS. You cannot brush aside the fact that on current live Vamp DKs are beast mode and have been pretty much since beta. That thread is dripping with irony precisely because it took ZOS a full year to address the whole "ridiculous ult gen + Bats + Battle Roar + Scales = Invincibility" meta.

But like I said that thread is for Live and it's a whole different situation on PTS.

Costismaros

Like i see there is no dual wield dks in this game anymore.I was one of the few and i had great joy with 1,1k -1,3k dmg. Now i must play somethink else (nb stamina) cause if i stay i must switch to 2h and i dont like it. I tried so hard to found out a proper build for dual wield stamina and they nerfed -8% damage the rapid srike. Now im doing like 10k dmg 10k-11k dmg on pts when the 2h does 15k-16k. If u know any build than can rise my dps, i would like to know about it.

P.S. I had a sorceror next to me and he was so excited with the 19k dps.
sorry for bad english

ItsRejectz

ArconSeptim wrote: »

Yeah this nerf for mountain blessing is really going over the glass now...we dk players are not whiners like sorcs, but really this is going in bad way.

You're still more or less invincible lol

niocwy

ItsRejectz wrote: »

ArconSeptim wrote: »

Yeah this nerf for mountain blessing is really going over the glass now...we dk players are not whiners like sorcs, but really this is going in bad way.

You're still more or less invincible lol

Also, still best magicka DPS, and now best stam DPS, in PvE.

Armitas

Source?

ItsRejectz

Armitas wrote: »

Source?

Not sure which source you want, but here is my source that @ArconSeptim is more or less invincible lol... This is from about an hour ago, next time i run into him, im just going to run straight past him lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIGeBXj5-No

Armitas

ItsRejectz wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

Source?

Not sure which source you want, but here is my source that @ArconSeptim is more or less invincible lol... This is from about an hour ago, next time i run into him, im just going to run straight past him lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIGeBXj5-No

I meant the latter. "Unkillable" is more of a build than a class.

Francescolg

ItsRejectz wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

Source?

Not sure which source you want, but here is my source that @ArconSeptim is more or less invincible lol... This is from about an hour ago, next time i run into him, im just going to run straight past him lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIGeBXj5-No

Wait, we've about 10² threads of DKs whining about the patch, and more whining, and your Video basically shows a DK standing over 5 minutes vs. 2++ mages?

Are you sure he hasn't been healed from inside the building by some (now OP - as everybody claimes) Templars?

Bashev

56k health stacked with shields. This is a defensive build which cannot kill a mage with 19k health. Where is the problem? You do not use the right skills to drain his stamina.